Mini 1590: Brian's Flavorless Mini (Game Over)

[Prof Fridays]

FIRST HA!

VOTE: bjc

Love you, babe <3

[Prof Fridays]

[Prof Fridays]

Perhaps he wanted to show that his vote was truly random so no suspicion could be cast on him for other potential motives so he wouldn't get lynched Day 1 - sounds like scum, I say!

UNVOTE: bjc

VOTE: SKOT

[Prof Fridays]

Just need to find that last scum and gg.

[Prof Fridays]

Yup. I'd be surprised if it were any different. 2/13 is 15% and 4/13 is 31%, so neither is really plausible unless there are some serious power adjustments to compensate.

[Prof Fridays]

It's just something that bothers me here, it's not specific to this thread. Things happen in life, my emotions change, and my mood with it. People keep getting on my case for change of tone and whatnot. It almost got me Iynched in my first game too.

In other news, Prof. Fridays has done no real scum hunting, so for the time being...
VOTE: Prof. Fridays

Uhhhh, okay.

You're right I should have just indulged in dumb RVS jokes rather than my usual winning strategy of voting the first person who says someone's actions are null - which has a 70% success rate.

Interesting. I've not heard of this (not being sarcastic; I'm just somewhat new to meta/logic here). I'm willing to accept it, but you're not exactly convincing me, whether through argument or play-style.

Vote:BJC

Don't really like your aggressive and pushy attitude to try and get SKOT or Espresso lynched. Even if you favor speed lynches, to try and get people lynched off of very little evidence screams scum to me

You can say that, but from my experience this is indicative of bjc-town, so I'm not going to support this wagon.

[Prof Fridays]

Nope. It's ongoing, so I don't think I can talk about it. But, it'll be over soon enough.

[Prof Fridays]

Ehhhhh, I think Mark's point still stands in large part.

[Prof Fridays]

VOTE: chaoslord

FoS: Anatole

Not as interested in Espressojet.

[Prof Fridays]

I'm actually kind of reconsidering Clusk. I'll have to think on it.

FoS: Clusk92

PEdit: Welp. Alright.

[Prof Fridays]

Oh, lol, I'm an idiot

I even looked through his ISO and didn't see the vote the first time

Maybe you need a little espresso to perk up your mind! Oh ho ho!

[Prof Fridays]

Townies are usually more black and white than scum, hence the vote on the null comment which was basically all he has said.

It also makes it look like you're "playing town." If something is null, you just ignore it and focus on the town/scum stuff, typically.

[Prof Fridays]

Though I will shift my vote for now. Prof Friday is fishy.

VOTE: Prof Friday

I will say I am part walrus, so it is only natural that I be 'fishy,' oh ho ho!

Man, I'm on a roll. bjc, hit me with a cold one!

[Prof Fridays]

But, babe...

[Prof Fridays]

My vote has never been on you.

[Prof Fridays]

I don't think Albert can be reasonably called scummy for "lurking."

[Prof Fridays]

Still somewhat unsure on Espressojet. His list of reads seems pretty NULL to me *wink*

[Prof Fridays]

Oo, that's tempting.

VOTE: Espressojet

Ya got me, Hiraki, ya got me.

[Prof Fridays]

Oh myyyyy

UNVOTE:

Little too fast for comfort.

[Prof Fridays]

Also,

FoS: chaoslord54

Dayum, buddy.

[Prof Fridays]

I daresay a claim is in order, my dear Espressojet!

[Prof Fridays]

VOTE: Marky Mark

Welp, I feel dumb.

Also, happy birthday Brian!

[Prof Fridays]

Ya.

[Prof Fridays]

Don't give Marky Mark a chance to claim; that's dumb. If he flips town we lynch Albert, and it works all the same.

[Prof Fridays]

It was nice knowing you, though, Albert

[Prof Fridays]

I dig it.

[Prof Fridays]

Are we gonna make this a clean sweep, or are we all out of magic?

[Prof Fridays]

Last scum is probably Godfather. I think you're useless, Albert.

[Prof Fridays]

Well, hm. Maybe not. Let's see if we have a RB/JK.

Otherwise, if we're dealing with a Doc, Doc probably protected you and scum thus tried to kill you, so they must be afraid of a Cop investigation on some level. Maybe Mafia Tracker.

[Prof Fridays]

Ah, wait. I take that back.

Let's just see if we have a BP/JK, then we'll figure things out.

[Prof Fridays]

I want to see a replacement for Clusk first, honestly. Half the player list hasn't stopped in yet.

[Prof Fridays]

I'd rather not. I want to make sure we get a clean sweep

[Prof Fridays]

VOTE: chaoslord

[Prof Fridays]

Wow did not even have a chance to come in on day 2 but awesome job guys!

I want to see a replacement for Clusk first, honestly. Half the player list hasn't stopped in yet.

I would like this too before we chose to lynch him. Cuz if we have a new player in here he may help us have a better read on his role.

This is so fake-y. He's stating the obvious trying to look like he's agreeing with me and adding to the conversation. It's like, "NO, DUH!"

[Prof Fridays]

Sorry for the long abscence guys, which I see has put me in a spot of bother.

Obviously the no-kill and me being gone is just a coincedence, but I can see why you'd come to the conclusion that I'm scum from that.

Don't think the JK/RB should step forward though to save me, we want those PR's being hidden for as long as possible.

Marquis is scummy for not wanting to lynch me before a replacement even had a chance to defend themselves though.

Why shouldn't the JK step forward if there is one? Their roleblock could account for the no-kill and we can lynch the last scum.

PEdit: DAMMIT ALBERT

[Prof Fridays]

Hey guys what about SKOT? He's been super inactive here and through a simple look at his profile shows that he's been commenting all over the site just not on this thread which means he's lurking like mad

no I actually forgot about the game day one and was active day 2. I was busy yesterday. But I think you are town, so there is that.

Why?

[Prof Fridays]

@Brian Can we, like, get a mass prod going?

[Prof Fridays]

Not sure why I'm suspicious, but whatever. I'm guessing we don't have a RB/JK at this point, which doesn't exactly surprise me.

[Prof Fridays]

Wait, let's try that again - why am I suspicious? I'm genuinely curious.

[Prof Fridays]

Anatole, you're scaring me D:

I'm down with the system. I suppose given Mark's trying to make a case on chaoslord Day 1 to distract from the Espressojet wagon would semi-clear him.

VOTE: SKOT

[Prof Fridays]

Your avatar lol.

[Prof Fridays]

Ah, I thought I recognized the style. I never got into them myself, but I've got friends that are fans.

[Prof Fridays]

There are too many players that haven't spoken up yet. Generally, without any other information, I think I'm most suspicious of Clusk and Marquis.

Mod: Prod Derivan

Derivan has been prodded.

[Prof Fridays]

It's all gravy, baby.

[Prof Fridays]

Lol.

VOTE: chaoslord

[Prof Fridays]

I think chaos is dead already xD

[Prof Fridays]

Nah, no way I'm getting strung up before fridays

That's cute, babe.

[Prof Fridays]

it is weird though that BJC is still alive - he gets night killed early almost every town game

Not in the Open game I played.

[Prof Fridays]

Everyone just shamelessly sheeped the crap out of chaoslord. Personally, I think that bodes well for us.

[Prof Fridays]

I hope a chaoslord lynch gives us the clean sweep.

[Prof Fridays]

Lynch his bum, Marquis!

[Prof Fridays]

Oh, interesting...

[Prof Fridays]

Whoever is the Cop that Albert Neighborized, if you don't have a guilty, shut yer yap. Though, the good news is we don't have a Godfather on our hands.

[Prof Fridays]

Remind me why you think it's Anatole, bjc?

[Prof Fridays]

Godfather would have kept a Cop around if they were going to be inno'd.

[Prof Fridays]

VOTE: Anatole

Clusk should be replaced.

[Prof Fridays]

I just wanted to see some more of Anatole. That's good enough for me.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Havingfitz

[Prof Fridays]

I'm not scum btw.

XOXO,
-Prof

[Prof Fridays]

Just saying, I championed being last scum in Event Card Mafia. This isn't championing. This is town that's very sad that there isn't much to go off of because people aren't freaking playing. Put your vote somewhere useful, bjc.

[Prof Fridays]

I mean, there's not much to defend myself with otherwise, than to claim, I suppose.

[Prof Fridays]

At any rate, it's only because I'm freaking saying anything at all that blips the scumdar. If we waited until people freaking posted, we can determine more accurately who is scum than just determining the scummiest of the three people that actually post.

[Prof Fridays]

Someone like Havingfitz to provoke him to at least defend himself.

[Prof Fridays]

At the very least, as a sensible townsperson, it would make sense and be to the town's benefit to use your time wisely and pursue other options while you can on the "off-chance" that I'm town,

then

you can decide to pursue my lynch if you think I am the most scummy

after

hearing others voice their thoughts. Bussing me is a poor play, especially because if I'm town, you'll have a deafening silence tomorrow.

[Prof Fridays]

Anatole has summed it up quite nicely

In addition to what he said, most of Fridays' iso is just a bunch of fluff, and if I remember correctly, he asked at least one question that he didn't get an answer to and never mentioned it again (which is something I believe was used in the case on espresso)

Also, not sure to which question you're referring.

[Prof Fridays]

Someone like Havingfitz to provoke him to at least defend himself.

Defend myself against what? Your vote with no rationale?

Precisely. It seemed to have worked, no? Basically, I'm just voting for people I want to see speak up. I'm not scum-reading you necessarily. I just mean to say that, at the very least, you have to say

something

to defend yourself, even if there's not much the vote is founded upon.

You were n SKOT yesterday. Is that no longer an option?

It is. I just want to get some more content from other people before moving forward.

VOTE: Clusk

[Prof Fridays]

I'm not going to be around for much longer, so I'll be damned if I'm not going to do what I can to get as much content as I can before I go.

[Prof Fridays]

Y'all are foolish.

I'm a 1-shot BP bodyguard. Protected Albert Night 2. Didn't get notified that I lost my shot (Idk what standard procedure is for that), so I figured the possibility of a JK/RB was out there, but alas. I WIFOM'd last night and decided to protect bjc last night. Night 1 was Marky Mark. I kinda thought he was town at the time, but looking back on it, it makes sense. If I'm lucky, I'll be dead tomorrow.

SO I suggest you take your votes back.

[Prof Fridays]

I'm about to step off to work on a paper, so let me solidify my claim more:

First, Night 2 had no deaths, obviously.

Second, if there is another protective role, he will step forth and counterclaim me.

Third, as the (theoretically) last scum (or even as the second-to-last scum), I would have nothing to benefit from trading myself for a Doctor/etc.

Fourth, set-up spec-wise, with the Neighborizor and my 1-shot BP, they make for decent protection of the Cop without becoming too "follow-the-cop."

Fifth, in terms of last mafia role spec, he is probably not a Roleblocker (would have RB'd Albert, and after Albert came up with guilty on Mark, he would have probably not tried to kill Albert again Night 3) and neither a Godfather (wouldn't be concerned about a Cop, especially so much as to attempt to kill him twice when he was protected once already; he's definitely scared of being 'copped'). Could be dealing with a Tracker, since that would be a way to find PRs for himself and a 'light' way for him to subvert the pseudo-follow-the-cop strategy.

[Prof Fridays]

WHOM YOU THOUGHT WAS SCUM </3

[Prof Fridays]

...I- I'm sorry, babe. I was out of line. I'm just a little frustrated by the game is all...

<3

[Prof Fridays]

...what.

[Prof Fridays]

Bodyguards die if they or their protected person is targeted, yes, but I am (or was) 1-shot bulletproof, so I could take a hit. I'll probably die next time around.

[Prof Fridays]

Yeah - I'm not convinced. And if you are telling the truth, which I find less likely than you being untruthful, you're only a 1-shot and we wouldn't lose a PR. If you're going to fakeclaim at least claim something invaluable.

They probably didn't get a kill submitted for night 2 and now Fridays is using that as justification for there being a defensive PR even though it was obvious the best time to claim that was yesterday.

Are you freaking kidding me? That is the most absurd argument I've ever heard.

[Prof Fridays]

If you're a town PR, why didn't you claim yesterday?

Why would I? I had no reason to.

[Prof Fridays]

If you think I would forget to submit my kill WHEN I AM ACTIVE AS ALL HELL ON THIS SITE, that's insulting.

[Prof Fridays]

Also, it just shows that your logic is severely flawed. Occam's Razor, anyone?

[Prof Fridays]

I am still a PR. I can defend the Cop. Why would you not want me to protect our investigative role?

[Prof Fridays]

Sorry for the long abscence guys, which I see has put me in a spot of bother.

Obviously the no-kill and me being gone is just a coincedence, but I can see why you'd come to the conclusion that I'm scum from that.

Don't think the JK/RB should step forward though to save me, we want those PR's being hidden for as long as possible.

Marquis is scummy for not wanting to lynch me before a replacement even had a chance to defend themselves though.

Why shouldn't the JK step forward if there is one? Their roleblock could account for the no-kill and we can lynch the last scum.

PEdit: DAMMIT ALBERT

Not sure why I'm suspicious, but whatever. I'm guessing we don't have a RB/JK at this point, which doesn't exactly surprise me.

I explained this already. But basically, I was not informed of losing my 1-shot BP, so the possibility that a RB/JK roleblocked scum is perfectly plausible, and with two scum dead, I could risk the gambit of lynching the roleblocked player, since chances would be pretty good they would be scum.

[Prof Fridays]

Straw man argument anyone?

Straw man? What?

So your role is that you're a bodyguard that has 1 shot BP not a BP that has a 1 shot bodyguard?

That is correct, because a bulletproof 1-shot bodyguard isn't a thing.

[Prof Fridays]

Yeah but he's arguing that I don't want the cop protected, which is an untenable argument that I never posited.

It was an implication of the argument you presented, i.e. that lynching me was fine because I'm not a PR at this point (which is horrible anyway, because VTs are still valuable).

[Prof Fridays]

Goddamnit. I thought I had this.

VOTE: Anatole?

[Prof Fridays]

Yeah but he's arguing that I don't want the cop protected, which is an untenable argument that I never posited.

It was an implication of the argument you presented, i.e. that lynching me was fine because I'm not a PR at this point (which is horrible anyway, because VTs are still valuable).

Again, not what I posited, if you're town don't twist my words.

I said since I found it likely you were lying, lynching what would effectively be VT would be easier to stomach than losing a PR. I was also bloodthirsty at the time because for some reason the two scum had a hard on for you.

*shrugs* I mean, scum will naturally have strong town reads that are actually town so they can be like, "Look, yeah, we're totally town because we read him right!"

UNVOTE:

[Prof Fridays]

That might not be bad.

VOTE: Marquis

[Prof Fridays]

I brain farted on the BP aspect of DPs claim.

So are people basing belief of PF's claim on the possibility that Albert was jk'd N2?

...no. Not sure where you're getting that from.

And if PF thought he might have protected who we thought was a cop N2...why not protect him N3?

I thought surely the mafia wouldn't be so silly as to attempt to kill Albert again. But alas, I underestimated how desperate the last mafia member was.

[Prof Fridays]

Fortunately, it ends up being pretty revealing of what kind of mafia PR we're dealing with.

[Prof Fridays]

I've already made my case well enough. Night 2 no-death proves my claim by Occam's Razor. You have to make a much more roundabout argument to say I'm scum from these events, than to admit I'm town. I protected bjc on the grounds that I assumed the mafia would not continue to pursue a kill on Albert and bjc seemed the next-least scummy, and I justified it by the fact that we have room to wiggle.

VOTE: havingfitz

This seems in line with the desperate move of the Night 3 Albert kill.

[Prof Fridays]

The way I see it, Anatole's right. We've got this game all sealed up. You have to convince the rest of the town to lynch me to stand a chance of killing that Cop in order to even think about the winning.

[Prof Fridays]

The way I see it, Anatole's right. We've got this game all sealed up. You have to convince the rest of the town to lynch me to stand a chance of killing that Cop in order to even think about the winning.

Re: havingfitz.

[Prof Fridays]

We need the cop claim - if fridays isn't a townie fakeclaiming it shouldn't be a problem because we'll just lynch him if the cop dies.

^^

[Prof Fridays]

At that point, I'd be backed into a corner anyway: I don't kill the Cop, I'll eventually be PoE'd. I kill the Cop, I die.

[Prof Fridays]

PF....
Why was there no nk N2?
Why did you think bjc would be targeted over a claimed ~cop?

K. I think I've explained this twice now.

[Prof Fridays]

I've already made my case well enough. Night 2 no-death proves my claim by Occam's Razor. You have to make a much more roundabout argument to say I'm scum from these events, than to admit I'm town. I protected bjc on the grounds that I assumed the mafia would not continue to pursue a kill on Albert and bjc seemed the next-least scummy, and I justified it by the fact that we have room to wiggle.

VOTE: havingfitz

This seems in line with the desperate move of the Night 3 Albert kill.

Literally right after you asked the first time.

[Prof Fridays]

My claim makes perfect sense. My actions may not, but that's not really what matters.

[Prof Fridays]

*shrugs* I gambled. I have no shame.

[Prof Fridays]

*sheds a single tear, staring off into space blankly* People should, people should...

[Prof Fridays]

I want to see/listen to this, bjc.

[Prof Fridays]

Babe, pls. If this relationship is gonna work, we gotta be open about our lives. K, babe?

[Prof Fridays]

K, not really sure why people are not sure about my claim. Like, seriously, it's pretty much confirmed by Night 2 no-death and the fact that I have yet to be counterclaimed.

[Prof Fridays]

PF...have you asked the mod whether or not you still have your ~ 1 shot BP?

I have not. I can do that, though.

[Prof Fridays]

We have like a week and a half. We can just take it slow until we get responses from everyone.

[Prof Fridays]

VOTE: Marquis

[Prof Fridays]

Like, is that all you're going to say?

[Prof Fridays]

PF...have you asked the mod whether or not you still have your ~ 1 shot BP?

I have not. I can do that, though.

He told me I would not be notified btw.

[Prof Fridays]

PF...have you asked the mod whether or not you still have your ~ 1 shot BP?

I have not. I can do that, though.

He told me I would not be notified btw.

I should clarify. I phrased the question, "Would I be notified if I lost my BP-ness?" and that was the answer.

[Prof Fridays]

VOTE: havingfitz

Thank you for stating exactly what I said earlier.

[Prof Fridays]

Marquis isn't scum necessarily, he's just not helping at all.

[Prof Fridays]

Well if no one's stepping up, I want to see havingfitz lynched.

[Prof Fridays]

Actually, hold on. I wanna hear from SKOT again.

VOTE: SKOT

[Prof Fridays]

Actually, let's have a little organized discussion as a town. I want everyone to answer these questions:

1. Are you a Cop?
   
2. Which players do you consider to be town/lean-town?
   
3. Which players do you consider to be scummy?
   
4. Which players are you unsure about?
   
5. Who is your top scum read and why?

[Prof Fridays]

1. Are you a Cop?
   No
   
   
2. Which players do you consider to be town/lean-town?
   bjc, Marquis, phokdapolees, Clusk92
   
   
3. Which players do you consider to be scummy?
   havingfitz, SKOT
   
   
4. Which players are you unsure about?
   Anatole Kuragin
   
   
5. Who is your top scum read and why?
   havingfitz. There was a lot of pushing against my claim after people had already seemed to agree (except maybe phok) that it was legitimate. There seemed to be a level of tunneling, as he repeated himself once or twice after I had already answered his question, which was odd. All the same, no reason to lynch me on it even if you think I'm lying, because I would be most likely the last scum and trading my win con for a Cop is ludicrous. Quote of havingfitz's Day 1: "Was thinking of voting Espressojet before I realized I actually like my current vote [Prof. Fridays]." This could go both ways. It could be reason why he would tunnel me, since he had already had his mind set on me-scum, but he also wasn't on his scumbuddy's wagon, and it seems like this might be an attempt to divert it. Perhaps I'm talking myself out of havingfitz scum... I think there could still be something there. SKOT could also be scum, but he voted Marky Mark Day 2 BEFORE Albert claimed the guilty investigation ("Looking over the vote count Marky Mark stood out as co-scum"), which gives him a lot of town points... Huh. I might have to reconsider this.

1. Are you a Cop?
   No
   
   
2. Which players do you consider to be town/lean-town?
   Marquis, phokdapolees, Clusk92, SKOT
   
   
3. Which players do you consider to be scummy?
   Anatole Kuragin
   
   
4. Which players are you unsure about?
   havingfitz, bjc
   
   
5. Who is your top scum read and why?
   Anatole Kuragin. A lot of it is by PoE; none of the others make sense, except possibly bjc. My thinking is if Anatole flips town, lynch bjc, as he specifically said he preferred an Anatole lynch to an Espresso lynch Day 1 (though he was open to an Espresso lynch, which all sounds very scummy to me; "I'm willing to bus my scumbuddy to look town, but I'd prefer to not lynch my scumbuddy"). Anatole's been pretty active, but that doesn't mean anything in the scheme of things. It seems to make sense that he would want to establish himself as a contributing "obvtown" and prey on the lurkers. Additionally, while Anatole has a lot of posts, his words-per-post is very low. This isn't meant to be a damning case; Anatole just seems the most scummy of what's left. At the end of the day, I'd be willing to lynch him or havingfitz.

[Prof Fridays]

Sounds good to me, at least the plan. I'm hesitant to lynch SKOT on the grounds of his pre-reveal vote on Mark. But perhaps at the time he didn't think it would necessarily go anywhere. Wouldn't mind Anatole being investigated tonight just for my peace of mind, anyway.

VOTE: SKOT

[Prof Fridays]

Don't think it's Marquis.

[Prof Fridays]

I agree with Marquis. I want blood.

[Prof Fridays]

*sigh* Okay, so I agree SKOT's not scum (Espressojet's hopping on the SKOT wagon was a good argument), but the Marquis wagon was bad. I want Anatole investigated tonight.

[Prof Fridays]

Also, happy birthday, Anatole! Even if I do think you might be scum <3

[Prof Fridays]

Oh, hey, Anatole's dead! I dig it. I must say, I kind of suggested Anatole to be investigated for this purpose.

VOTE: Clusk

[Prof Fridays]

Are you all stupid?! What the hell was that?! I protected phok. It was announced that I would protect phok. OF COURSE SCUM WOULD NOT TRY TO KILL PHOK. Anatole's death in no way disproves my claim. This is absurd. bjc is scum.

[Prof Fridays]

I'm lynched. Why bother?

[Prof Fridays]

VOTE: bjc

I guess I missed Clusk's unvote.

[Prof Fridays]

Best course of action is to lynch bjc. If bjc is town, I'll protect phok again. Phok investigates SKOT. If Phok dies or clears SKOT, lynch me.

[Prof Fridays]

If I am lynched, phok definitely dies tonight, then you have to choose between SKOT and bjc, which is 50-50 instead of utter certainty.

[Prof Fridays]

This game is literally wrapped up if we lynch bjc.

[Prof Fridays]

Let me reiterate: Even if you think I am lying/am scum, it is still more beneficial (and gets you to the same point - my lynch - if I am, indeed, scum) if you lynch bjc instead of me.

[Prof Fridays]

Yeah I'm now certain you're a Godfather.

Bullshit. You're trying to lynch the one thing that can protect the Cop. Also, if you'll notice, I suggested that phok investigate SKOT, not me. So, if I am a Godfather it wouldn't matter.

[Prof Fridays]

I'm taking my chances that there is no Godfather from what I know from my night actions.

[Prof Fridays]

Also, if you're looking at the set-up, if I am scum, the only PRs would be a Cop and a Neighborizor, and if you add a Godfather to that, that is crazy scum-sided.

[Prof Fridays]

havingfitz, I explained very clearly how lynching bjc is far more beneficial than lynching me.

[Prof Fridays]

[Prof Fridays]

Prof Fridays could have done better with his protections, but I felt he did an okay job overall, even if he let the first claimed cop die. His claim was also pretty well done (albeit borrowed from Venmar) to help him buy at least another night phase and prevent himself from getting NK'ed.

I think this is a fair assessment (and, yes, I did take the tip from Venmar). My Day play was better than my Night play for sure. I took a gamble with Albert due to some confusion, but I thought I could get away with it anyway. I like to try to be unconventional when I can afford to be, and unfortunately, it backfired on me, though I was right in that I could afford it. At the end of the day, I'm not sad. I learned a lot from this game, and, well, it's a game! No sense in getting caught up in regrets of what could have been, especially with a win.

[Prof Fridays]

He was trying to kill the investigative target.

[Prof Fridays]

Well, I say that because it seems to me the only feasible explanation.