Mini 1601: B_E's Mind Mafia ABANDIFIED

[hephaestus]

Joining on one of the two wagons (move faster game). Don't worry, I randomized it.
VOTE: hephaestus

Which wagons?

VOTE: Csareo

[hephaestus]

@Townies, what are your thoughts on post #38? Am I overthinking this?

What

are

you thinking? Why do you think scum would say something like that, if they had an ulterior motive for voting, rather than just pretending it's an RVS vote?

RVS in reality is quite useless

Then why did you participate?

4. Hopefully we have now established that you pulled a scum tell out of thin air, so let's move on to the game. Describe your thoughts on the interaction that took place in posts #38=#42
That seems to be the blind spot in your case. You haven't acknowledged the other side of coin. Narrow minded thinking is the downfall of town.

You think dybeck pulled a scum tell out of thin air, but you seem pretty convinced he's town. Am I wrong? Or do you already have a read on him?

I would still like to hear about your suggestion that there were two RVS wagons. Did you really think there were two or were you playing "scum/stupid"?

[hephaestus]

OK I think scumhunting just started. The whole point of the RVS is that nobody responds to anything unless a few votes are thrown around. And it's much better to have them focused in a few directions rather than flat across the board. Early wagons are healthy. I don't think I ever suggested that I wanted the wagonee to spew game information, nor that everyone in the game should be on it, so I'm not sure why you're misrepresenting in that way, but your post gave the impression to me that you'd found some excuse to sneak off from a wagon before it bore any fruit or caused any discomfort for its target, and I think it's worth calling you on it. If one of you flips scum, I will be taking long looks at the other.

I'm also not sure what you are expecting to get from an RVS wagon. What reactions would you expect, town vs. scum, when there isn't anything to react to?

[hephaestus]

@mod

you forgot

Vote NicCage

Fixed

-B_E

[hephaestus]

Joining on one of the two wagons (move faster game). Don't worry, I randomized it.
VOTE: hephaestus

There was one vote on you at this point

VOTE: Csareo

1=1
Yay maths, amirite?

Can
you show me where I said it was an RVS vote? It was a thought out vote for Aegor to clarify.

I was talking about Aegor's vote. I'm getting the feeling you're the one who isn't reading.

What made you think I thought he was town? Please answer ASAP.

Narrow minded thinking is the downfall of town.

[hephaestus]

You said there were two wagons when there was only one person with more than one vote on them. I asked you to clarify in 37. When you ignored me, I asked again in post 50.

I was talking about Aegor, not to Aegor. Why do

you

think he mentioned a reason, when he could've justified his vote as being RVS?

[hephaestus]

There weren't any votes on Albert

[hephaestus]

i.e. dybeck thinking that Csareo and I are a possible scumteam? I was actual unclear on waht dybeck was saying.

I thought that was about me?

[hephaestus]

There were two votes on hep and two votes on nikcage.

No there weren't

[hephaestus]

@mod

Does mafia have day talk?

[hephaestus]

Upgrading heph to town in my reads. Just sayin.

Yay!

[hephaestus]

Am I the only one who doesn't really buy Aegor's fake claim would-be gambit?

[hephaestus]

Am I the only one who doesn't really buy Aegor's fake claim would-be gambit?

[hephaestus]

Yeah but he didn't actually do it right

[hephaestus]

You made an entire post to debunk the logic Kid A later restated........................

You keep saying this, but I'm actually not sure which post you're referring to? Could you specify?

Also, sorry to go on and on about this, but you're still lying about the "two wagons" thing and I still want to know why.

[hephaestus]

You made an entire post to debunk the logic Kid A later restated........................

You keep saying this, but I'm actually not sure which post you're referring to? Could you specify?

Also, sorry to go on and on about this, but you're still lying about the "two wagons" thing and I still want to know why.

#69
Ythill agreed with an implication Kid A showed.

Come on, Csareo. I mean the post in which Ythill supposedly "debunked" that post.
Are you going to address the second part of that quote?

[hephaestus]

That sounds like it's basically omgus

[hephaestus]

How is it a policy vote if you think he's scum?

[hephaestus]

This two wagon thing I don't even understand at all.

C is deliberately lying about this, it's definitely reason to suspect him.

[hephaestus]

Rereading as soon as my PC is back from the PC fixing place

[hephaestus]

Not going anywhere!

[hephaestus]

If you have no interest in playing this game please replace out.

[hephaestus]

I agree with you TSO. Csareo has dropped what seemed like some scum slips but that could theoretically be town being too much of a dick to admit they were wrong. I'm okay with a lynch mostly because he's holding back the game imo (I usually don't feel this way about players and I'm against policy lynches but yeah) but if he replaces out MAYBE his slot can get a fair shot.

Idk why it's taking so long to find replacements because there's relatively few content to catch up on but then again I still haven't found the time/motivation to read ISOs or whatever myself. My computer should be back on Thursday but I find it hard forming reads amidst this chaos tbh. Like I said I think Csareo is obstructing the game because he's both an easy and a valid lynch and as long as he's the center of attention a lot of opinions are null imo

[hephaestus]

Btw I don't see any reason to end the day early. If we wait for replacements today we'll have more time for discussion tomorrow.

[hephaestus]

Elias would you rather lynch Kid A than Csareo today?

[hephaestus]

You're right there's too little to go on but I'm definitely interested in seeing his response and pressuring him if it's unsatisfactory. If we do lynch Csareo today and he flips scum, that'll make Kid look very suspicious to me

[hephaestus]

If there's not enough active players to get a majority we'll get an extension, right?

[hephaestus]

I think all slots need to be filled before the deadline or it influences the majority principle

[hephaestus]

@Riddles: town can also feel like they can't adequately defend themselves against accusations of being scum and become grumpy or apathetic as a result

[hephaestus]

VOTE: Aegor

I still think his Day Cop thing was suspicious so if we're doing this...

[hephaestus]

I could totally see him and Csar being a scum team too based on their interactions

[hephaestus]

Anen, you joined after all! Good to have you man

[hephaestus]

Hope this means you're feeling better!

[hephaestus]

Sorry sorry folks I promise I will make myself useful tomorrow

[hephaestus]

VOTE: Dybeck

[hephaestus]

Thanks, Anen.

Do the town guys feel you'd have got us eventually?

Nah I was pretty convinced you were scum

[hephaestus]

Town I mean

[hephaestus]

I got a tracker result for Not_mafia btw ?? ?

[hephaestus]

But he's not in the game?

[hephaestus]

And... "not random"? That's a joke or a meta-reference I don't get, right?

Meta reference. Specifically, I checked for changes in activity during the pregame. Not really very indicative, but better than RVS, which I don't participate in.

I don't want to hijack the game thread with a discussion on strategy while we're still waiting on people to post because it gives lurkers a chance to hide, but when this game's over, I'd be really interested to hear what you were looking for because this sounds interesting and I've not come across it before. Probably safer not to talk about it now, even in PM, in case it's considered discussion of an ongoing game, but remind me when this is all over - I'm curious to know what one would look for.

Ythill I am also interested in this?