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[Whatisswag]

Come on VOTE: mykonian

get this guy quicklynched.

[Whatisswag]

How does my (or anyone's) knowing your playstyle help town exactly?

are you new? how will meta not help?

[Whatisswag]

@Dessew
a more informed town is usually a winning town.

did you read?

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@myk- I was asking Dessew specifically what his thoughts on Flubber were. I could care less what anyone else thinks about him right now.

This post make me believe that Boon and Dessew cannot be both scum, from how the "I dont care".

[Whatisswag]

To me, the above post looks like he wants to redirect the attention on him. Keeping a vote on him now.

To me the action of copper vote changing so fast is a little weird

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@Flubber
why is your reaction once a wagon forms on you to town read everybody on it and to unvote?

This is exactly what I do as town.

No surprise there, it would not be a hard task for scum to misslynch him if this is flubber's standard town play. Naked vote on a guy whose name he claim he doesn't remember, then when a wagon forms on him attempting to buy it off by giving town reads left and right, followed by removing his vote (I can still her the sound of the cave crashing). I don't have past experience with Flubber like you two nor do I think it's good to second guess yourself if you see someone playing scummy just because he looked scummy in the last game as well and he was town. Just do the guy a favour and lynch him, after the x-th mislynch as town I'm sure his game will improve.

Since you never played a game with him, how can you be so sure?

On top of that, the most likely explanation in my mind for someone being so confident in a read with this little content out there is because he's mafia, and therefore doesn't have to guess.

This is exactly what I am thinking.

For once, I am not gonna unvote my RVS vote, myko's argument has no sense.

[Whatisswag]

flubber/swag/nati maybe

Seriously, look back to all of your games, which of those cases do you get scum on the first read?

also fuck anyone who has "swag" in their username

This one I like.

I am not buddying with Flubber, just that my reads are better than most of yours. I dont have any scum read right now but my only town reads are copper, boon, flubber

[Whatisswag]

Bro, I just replaced in this game.

Cry me a river for having to read three pages.

It's not the 3 pages, bro. It's the content of the pages. I skimmed over, and I'm sorry you think 9 pages to read is so hard. You obviously think it is if you think I thought just reading the pages is what I was trying to infer was bad.

To everyone else...GET OFF OF FLUBBER! Seriously. He's so freaking town, that he should be considered NK bait.

Flubber, claim a PR. I want you to lie if you don't have one, as you will be 100% drawing the night kill from scum. This town is going to lynch an obvious town slot.

Before anyone says anything, yes, if you guys are going to be dumb and vote him, I want him to lie as town. There are scenarios where that is acceptable, and I believe this to be one. Flubber is not day 1 lynch material. We will get no information from that.

I actually agree with this. Flubber is not going to get lynched.

[Whatisswag]

VOTE: flubber
I don't like you joining the wagon and you are lurking.

This is no reason for Flubber to be scum. I will be rather happy policy lynching Dessew for being a noob.

well, he's scum this game actually. So lets lynch him and deal with it.

vote flubber

I dont see any reason here.

eh, not really. It didn't really spread which is a shame.

Why aren't you voting flubber with me? He's scum. Anyone can see that.

Eh, why not.
VOTE: Flubbernugget

Also, why couldn't Dessew and I be scum together? I'd love to bus him so hard.

What a let down.

Why do you even agree with myko? This is not a reason.

Flubber, are you conscious of the fact that you seem to be playing differently from the other games we've finished together? Is it deliberate?

Meta is not a good reason, people can change their playstyles.

VOTE: Flubbernugget

I'm fine with this. Pure trusting the others, though.

Pure trusting? WOW.

NONE OF YOU CAN GIVE ME A SINGLE REASON WHY FLUBBER IS SCUM. FLUBBER IS NOT GOING TO BE LYNCHED.

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Although Flubber is a town read, I do agree with you that flubber is quite useless by lurking, but it does make sense why flubber would town read people on his wagon because he sees that people are trying to create discussion. I would much more prefer a possible scum lynch than a useless town lynch.

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Ok, I am fine with his lynch since you will soon come to realise that he is town and you will regret it (or you might not regret it if you are scum). Well, the good thing from here is that you people will realise that your flawed logic have to come to an end.

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Boonskiies softing a cc isn't hounding you so calm your tits.

Copper is town. Even if he is making massive contradictions they're all related to game theory which should be a null tell. Especially with a new guy.

Myko idk. Though I'd like to know why he thinks I'm scum.

The guy who I'm voting for who's name I can't remember and can't be assed to flip a page to remember is town.

UNVOTE:

Flubber, I have never seen you issue a list of reads this confidently on day one.

Flubber, are you conscious of the fact that you seem to be playing differently from the other games we've finished together? Is it deliberate?

Now, will you

at last

answer the

actual

question about your playstyle?

I swear I've never been so angry at a person who had just made me look him as a puppy being skinned. Your AtE is noted.

If it is not deliberate, So what? If it is deliberate, So what?

[Whatisswag]

And also, Natirasha did not do shit in this whole game with the "PURE TRUSTING".

VOTE: Nati

[Whatisswag]

So, currently 4 people are on Flubber's side: Flubber, Boon, Swag, Theory. So which are "scum"? I am very interested to find out all of your views. Trust me, none of you are scumhunting gods.

[Whatisswag]

The reason that I dont want Flubber lynched is not because of some solid town read.

In the previous game I played in, the game had two players A and B who were quite silent and not really contributing much.
But I had A's meta which showed that the playstyles were different. Then A turned out to be town and B turned out to be scum.
I learn to not trust meta as being a good way.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=59515

[Whatisswag]

the Nati vote right from flubber right after me seems like a possible attempt to drag me down as scum if he is lynched. Town read decreasing a little bit

@Flubber, please give an explnation on why you voted Nati, and especially right after my vote.

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Dessew is like my second scum read, just that dessew is actually saying more than you.

[Whatisswag]

Swag/CT/Dessew, actually.

???

the Nati vote right from flubber right after me seems like a possible attempt to drag me down as scum if he is lynched. Town read decreasing a little bit

@Flubber, please give an explnation on why you voted Nati, and especially right after my vote.

PoE/Minimal content

What content, what PoE? Like three slots haven't even posted, right?

Anyone scumreading copper?

I'm townreading him. PEDIT: yes, Boon is. PEDIT2: Fu is, too.

VOTE: Flubber
Basically, I'm not entirely convinced that he's scum, although I strongly doubt that anyone would post 258 without having some unclean motivations. I've never actually called him scum, btw, I originally joined his wagon only to do something with my vote. (It should answer one of swag's questions, he didn't wanted to learn the answer too much, though.) I'm pretty content with my decision in hindsight because of this hysteria around him. I'm sure that Boon and most likely swag, too, have the same alignment as Flubber. So whatever Boon says, this lynch would provide plenty of information. Even if he flipped town, we'd get two technically universal townreads, that's quite good.
On another note, what I've read about Flubber in this thread, he isn't really the player scum would actively try to get rid of early on (nohard feelings, pal,neither am I.) So that would actually put myko on the town side, I suppose.

Hmm, why does a flubber town flip make us town? Scum can do that too.

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I decided to think again and came to the conclusion that probably we have only 3 players that could be lynched today: Flubber, Boon, Nati.

If Flubber is really the best choice then I would not insist.

[Whatisswag]

VOTE: Boonskies

In case anybody wants to change the bw to boon, my vote is there. I just want someone lynched today.

[Whatisswag]

Since you already claimed PR, must as well out which PR you are.

[Whatisswag]

If your claim is one of these: Doctor, Roleblocker, Jailkeeper, Miller, Bodyguard, Hider, then there is no way to validify your claim so I will still lynch you if you claim one of those.

[Whatisswag]

investigative and killing. mason too.

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Btw, I protected copper during the night.

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Cop, choose someone else rather than copper or me or the rb thanks.

[Whatisswag]

FUN FACT: I am not going to protect anyone tonight just to see the rb skills

[Whatisswag]

VOTE: Mykonian
As I said, I did not doc anyone so it is myko.

[Whatisswag]

L-1 in case anyone is interested in hammering.

[Whatisswag]

Wait. I retract my claim now. I claimed doctor just to get mafia to kill me in the night in case the rb does not work out.
I am a normal vt.

[Whatisswag]

Tbh, I'm pretty sure what Flubber'd claim.

What was your point?

Experience tells me this looks scum

[Whatisswag]

UNVOTE: Mykonian.

Essentially, the scumhunting part of this game is over.

[Whatisswag]

Ok.

comradekafka: Investigate Goblin.
Goblin: Investigate Mykonian.
mykonian: Protect Goblin
FuDuzn: Random select someone (not one of the above three)

[Whatisswag]

I just realised that the above plan has a truck full of loopholes. But I think that is the best plan.

[Whatisswag]

why not?

[Whatisswag]

That is fine too, but if goblin dies, regardless of what the whatever fuck happened, we are lynching myko.

[Whatisswag]

WTF. NOOO.
LET ROLECOP CHECK ON MYKO!!!!!!!

[Whatisswag]

In case myko is not mafia, Cop goes on nati, Rolecop goes on dessew, Roleblocker goes on me.

[Whatisswag]

we have 10 people left over. By following this plan, we can achieve 3.5 clears (I guess rolecop does not really make one a clear), assuming 1 pr dies

[Whatisswag]

Dessew, Nati, Kafka, please explain your reason for getting Myko lynched tomorrow. YES KAFKA TOO, I DONT TRUST YOU.

[Whatisswag]

I have every reason to believe that the third scum role is not a goon because of universal backup. (So rolecop is as important, if not more important, than the cop)

1) I asked Fuduzn to roleblock me. Surprisingly, it did not clear me as a no kill occured.

2) Rolecop me, you will get vanilla.

Since there was no kill, must as well grant the cops and rb with more results

VOTE: No Lynch

[Whatisswag]

By the way, I should be the towniest guy here as I literally was against myko's lynch. Anyway, Cop and Rolecop, did you follow what I said to check Nati and Dessew?

[Whatisswag]

We go for a no lynch.

Tonight RC checks me.

Cop checks RB.

RB checks me.

I wont be posting throughout today because I think it is obvious that a no lynch should be what we have.

[Whatisswag]

I will leave you all to ponder over these questions

1) Why are we letting those who never claimed off the hook?

2) Why are we lynching today when we can just get more results?

3) Why did Dessew, Nati and the Cop lynch myko when we could have let him get checked by RC?

[Whatisswag]

In case myko is not mafia, Cop goes on nati, Rolecop goes on dessew, Roleblocker goes on me.

Shit, I thought swag wanted me to block someone else......which is why I blocked him.

It seems pretty clear he is scum now. If you do decide to lynch me than lynch him tomorrow.

VOTE: swag

I want to believe you, but you are not letting me believe you.

[Whatisswag]

I think we need to policy lynch some noobs here.

[Whatisswag]

I think I need to do some shouting here.

NO LYNCH!!!

WHOEVER IS ON BOTH WAGONS SWITCH TO NO LYNCH OR I WILL MAKE LYNCHING YOU MY TARGET.

btw, what is the problem here with fakeclaiming doc?

[Whatisswag]

Wait. I retract my claim now. I claimed doctor just to get mafia to kill me in the night in case the rb does not work out.
I am a normal vt.

I dont think Goblin, Anatole and Fuduzn saw this.

[Whatisswag]

Oh wait, I just realised how stupid I am. We no lynch. Tonight all 3 prs target me. That should clear me

[Whatisswag]

Rolecop- None
Cop- Droog Mafia (N1), Mykonian Innocent (N2)
Roleblocker- Mykonian (N1,N2), Whatisswag (N3)

[Whatisswag]

Just no lynch please. I beg you please.

[Whatisswag]

I just don't like that swag wants all the actions on him, he seems more worried about making sure he is cleared instead of actually finding scum.

Is there some sort of super godfather that is immune to all night actions, and is that normal if there is?

Wow haha. But if the last scum is non-killing, by doing this on the players one by one we can quickly find clears.

I think godfather shows as godfather when rolecopped.

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I wouldn't mind a Goblin lynch for the fake claim, but he did not vote the doc, those who joined that lynch late or FuD for starting it have a much higher chance then average of being mafia.

Not necessarily, but if you insist, whatever.

[Whatisswag]

Haha, go, I wont miss you.

[Whatisswag]

wasnt much to say the last couple pages

here's what im leaning

town
anatole
dessew
flubber
fuduzn
natirisha
cooper
boonskill
mykonian
scum

if i forgot your name
you didnt catch my eye

Here is the reason why Fuduzn is scummier than Goblin. Droog forgot about Goblin and me. Hence I think Goblin is town too.

The only reason why I dont feel like lynching Fuduzn is because of his "leave MS" sentence, which I used in my prev micro game as town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6332623

[Whatisswag]

We have 2 plans tonight.

Plan 1: No lynch all 3 prs go on me. Then I will be clear

Plan 2: Cop goes on RB, RB goes on Rolecop. We have at least 1 PR clear in this way.

[Whatisswag]

Because boon flipped as UNIVERSAL, I have every reason to believe the last scum is non-goon. So Rolecop can just check the vts to see if they are lying.

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What? If there was a serial killer wouldn't there be night kills?

Swag, reinoe for scum with an outside shot of AK.

State even 1 reason why I am scum. Stop or I will think lynching this noob here is a good choice

[Whatisswag]

VOTE: fuduzn

dont understand this.

[Whatisswag]

Cop go on rb, rb go on rc, rc go on some vt.

[Whatisswag]

My logic tells me that the scum is in fuduzn and goblin, but my gut tells me it is not within them...

[Whatisswag]

VOTE: Goblin

[Whatisswag]

The cop was supposed to go on the rb... but anyways, i like this result too.

[Whatisswag]

wasnt much to say the last couple pages

here's what im leaning

town
anatole
dessew
flubber
fuduzn
natirisha
cooper
boonskill
mykonian
scum

if i forgot your name
you didnt catch my eye

His partner did not catch his eye.

So did I