Mini 1625: Redemption (Game Over)

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VOTE: riddleton

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VOTE: droog

for failing his own reaction test.

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Is jester explicitly non normal?

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VOTE: droog

for failing his own reaction test.

i have no clue
what this means

46

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K

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Please quote where droog is defending me and not just attacking you

This is called deflection. Thanks for admitting this.

Wat

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Dayvig reaction tests are gay

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Please quote where droog is defending me and not just attacking you

This is called deflection. Thanks for admitting this.

Wat

Is it that hard to understand?

Player C attacks and/or questions Player B.
Player A wants to defend Player B.
Player A could straight up defend them, by answering their questions and saying why they are town, but if they are scum buddies, this implicates both of them.
Opposite of that, Player A instead attacks Player C.

Deflection 101.

Thats called a chainsaw (is that deflection too?)

And it would have held more weight if you quoted the posts you were asked to post.

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Dayvig reaction tests are gay

Please don't violate sitewide rules again.

Gimme some reads off the reaction test.

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Oh and thanks to your backseat modding my infraction has been copied twice over in the thread so gg.

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So is's read actually is omgus

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Make me post more.

I'm a socially awkward shitbag.

Help me out here

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Rereading front to back to see if I can go be a fuckup somewhere else.

On page 7

Chris's entrance is fluffy as hell and sounds like something a politician would say (158)

Willow is town.

Flames should be scum but he has lynchbait meta in the games I've played with him so null.

I like GGG so far.

I remember istott being scummy later so ill withold comment.

Crazypianist is weird. I only recall him responding to the willow wagon as far as being able to see his intentions are concerned.

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Page 8 begins the reaction test in which I will probably find nothing more than null and the tears of the gambit gods.

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Oh, ok. Cool, I guess. Did I pass?

The reaction looks genuine enough to me.I think you are town and the mistake earlier was genuine.

UNVOTE:

Cool.

Actually this feels more synthetic than Joan River's face.

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Oh, ok. Cool, I guess. Did I pass?

The reaction looks genuine enough to me.I think you are town and the mistake earlier was genuine.

UNVOTE:

Cool.

Page 9, chris's case on willow holds less water than a ball of lead.

Pedit istott what is my alignment
I have to assume droog is sheeping chris because he is scumreading willow with no explanation

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Oh, ok. Cool, I guess. Did I pass?

The reaction looks genuine enough to me.I think you are town and the mistake earlier was genuine.

UNVOTE:

Cool.

Page 10 and droog has left chris's hide throughly tanned. I retract my sheeping comment on him.

Did not read the naomi wall. I'macuntwhoreohwell.

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Why do those 3 quotes keep showing up fml

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Oh, ok. Cool, I guess. Did I pass?

The reaction looks genuine enough to me.I think you are town and the mistake earlier was genuine.

UNVOTE:

Cool.

Page 11. How come pianist can play backseat mod but also say jack shit like I did?

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WHAT THE FUCK

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I hate my phone right now.

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Page 14 istott says he isn't omgus'ing someone and then attacks their character. I thought this was scummy but now idk

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Welp lets not be suprised if naomi is a permanent null for me.

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#thelylostruggle

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The amount of useless crap in this thread is absurd. Before I start making my reads, I need to point a few things out.

Munkir:

If you feel like you can't keep up with this game, please tell the mod you want to replace out. You are making no observations about the game and it seems like you don't understand how the game works. You should probably join a newbie game.

AWA

and

kuror0

: More content please.

Guyinfreezer:

I super appreciate you modding this game. More frequent votecounts would be awesome though.

VOTE: crazypianist

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Someone saying they themselves are town is scummy because it's defensive. It's not an individual's job to convince others that they're town unless they're accused of being scum. The job of town is scumhunting, not being defensive and self-interested.

I'm not sure I agree with this either. I know that I look at the game from the perspective as the only confirmed townie, and I go from there as things progress. Convincing others that you are town though, I agree with that part. I don't give a shit who thinks I'm town or not, as long as I catch scum in the process. That being said, I naturally assume everyone around me is either dense and/or scum until proven otherwise in some way (especially when I haven't played any games with them before), and I trust bad townies as much as I do scum, which is to say not at all. This probably makes me self-interested, since you thinking town should trust other players on Day 1 seems like the biggest fallacy ever to me, based on experience playing in both mafiascum recently, and the game of mafia in other forums for years.

This in no way reflects the way you tunneled BBT in 1530

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I just realized I'm a pagetop nightmare for mods.

Go me.

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I scrolled past 392 and cried a little bit then I saw 395 and I'm done for now.

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I really wanna know istott's read on me.

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Because of how high strung you are over the reaction test.

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Hypocrisy really isn't a scumtell imo. If it was I would be crazypianist's scumbuddy.

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Flubbernugget:

First things first: Your avatar creeps me out. A lot. I would appreciate it if you would change it, but if you don't I'll live.

This honestly says a lot about your posting style.

Either way theres nothing in that wall that provokes discussion. Very safe.

Also I like droog's posting style tyvm.

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Final catchup then responding to crazypianist.

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Kuror: I don't think redact was the word you were going for.

Flames: Get stronger glasses, then. Reading a wall is no different than reading a book. You HAVE read a book, yes?

Also, I gotta love that refusing to read one wall of a user that posts excessive redundancy, and then putting off another one till later is anti-town, or worthy of any attempted insult.

When you have to read something dry and boring in a

game

where you're supposed to have

fun

, you're eventually gonna say "fuck it," and give a

confbias rant

analysis of whatever zzzzzz you just read.

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Naomi has presented the most spectacular case of IIoA I have ever seen.

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Wow Flubbernugget, you're terrible. You're voting me not because of arguments I'm making, not because I have faulty logic, not because I have any noticeable scum tells. You're voting me because I pointed out things which have nothing to do with whether players are scum or town.

I told you already, if you want to continue the conversation about Post 265 off-thread, please PM me. But it has no relevance to whether I'm scum or town. The fact that you're making an evaluation on it though screams to me that you're scum
If you don't like Post 362, then get over it. I definitely was not the only making comments about Munkir, AWA, and kuror. They were perfectly valid concerns.

If you think I wasn't producing content, then you didn't read Post 60, Post 62, Post 74, Post 132, or Post 170 and that's only talking about things before page 11. Not to mention, you didn't even touch the bulk of my content. But it seems like you're ignoring most posts longer than a paragraph. If that's the case, you should let everyone know right now.

You have a weak argument and it feels like you're trying to get everyone to ignore what's actually happening in this thread. VOTE: Flubbernugget

Here's a fucking hint.

If I didn't remove my vote in my next post, it was probably because there was something about your reads list I didn't like.

And I'm glad I just left a naked vote. Your reaction screams scum caught for the wrong reasons.

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The assumptions you made about my posting are really gay.

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Actually it wasn't even the reads list itself but my point still stands.

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That's gay too.

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Information instead of analysis

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The only thing keeping this game from having as many lulz as 1609 is the fact that we're not at 100 pages yet.

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Btw being a piece of shit isn't scummy.

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Also btw not everyone's gonna play the game you will.

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*the way you will

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Did everybody forget what "postgame" means?

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So munkir who is scum out of this mess?

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But if I immediately tell you you're scummy because xyz you can start doing abc instead.

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But either way your tone is wildly inconsistent and the way you completely lost your shit over my vote confirms to me it's because you're scum.

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Which is a scumread.

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Hey willow do you think pianist is scum?

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Flubbs, what is your case on CP. I am not seeing it in your ISO?

I saw his inconsistent tone as a red flag and dropped a naked vote to see what would happen. He completely lost his shit and got way too defensive. He can make any case he wants but his intentions scream self preservation over scumhunting.

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Droog prove to me you're not buddying me. I feel like you're buddying me.

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I soo wish Kuribo was in this game right now.

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I feel like AWA is more interested in conformity to his playing style than true scumhunting but I don't know if that's anti-town or scummy.

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flubber and pianist are both trolls
but when each one talks i like their position better
thinking its definietly not town v town
leaning toward pianist being the scum

Why is Pianist the scum here?

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GGG why don't you want to vote crazy?

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Considering he tried to emulate kuribo I think that was pretty tame.

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@ggg on cp

Apologetic in 401.

Accusatory in 461.

Apologetic in 467.

From 491 to 512 full on sarcasm tirade.

Then apologetic in 515.

So the trick is to figure out if it's a result of ego, alignment, or some third whatever.


I can keep going but it's all confbias at this point.

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Flubbs, what is your case on CP. I am not seeing it in your ISO?

I saw his inconsistent tone as a red flag and dropped a naked vote to see what would happen. He completely lost his shit and got way too defensive. He can make any case he wants but his intentions scream self preservation over scumhunting.

So you think my argument against you is good even if my "tone" was off (whatever that means)

Your argument is that I don't have a read on you.

My vote says othewise.

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That's not my argument.

Well your argument is based off assumptions of why I voted for you that are false so I'm at a loss.

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CP/OC/?? scumteam

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That's not my argument.

Well your argument is based off assumptions of why I voted for you that are false so I'm at a loss.

Nope. I thought you were voting me b/c of 362. Terribad reason to vote me so I voted you.

You then change your reasoning to this "tone" argument which is basically nonexistent.

I'm voting for you

now

because you still have a bad reason, and because you didn't give a good reason to vote originally.

Where's naomi

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Did not mean to quote that

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Cp/oc??/awa scumteam.

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That's not my argument.

Well your argument is based off assumptions of why I voted for you that are false so I'm at a loss.

Nope. I thought you were voting me b/c of 362. Terribad reason to vote me so I voted you.

You then change your reasoning to this "tone" argument which is basically nonexistent.

I'm voting for you

now

because you still have a bad reason, and because you didn't give a good reason to vote originally.

so who are my scumbuddies.

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Do you understand what a fucking scum tunnel is?

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Lets stop with the tone thing while we're at it. Tone is why I voted for him. Let's talk about why I'm still voting him. How is it okay for town to get incredibly hostile

only

when they're being scum read?

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That's not my argument.

Well your argument is based off assumptions of why I voted for you that are false so I'm at a loss.

Nope. I thought you were voting me b/c of 362. Terribad reason to vote me so I voted you.

You then change your reasoning to this "tone" argument which is basically nonexistent.

I'm voting for you

now

because you still have a bad reason, and because you didn't give a good reason to vote originally.

so who are my scumbuddies.

So you think my reasoning is solid even if my "tone" is hostile

No I need to know how deep down this tunnel you are.

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How is it okay for town to get incredibly hostile

only

when they're being scum read?

Still a "tone" argument.

Why aren't you answering my questions.

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Cp/oc??/awa scumteam.

Elaborate?

This is a very brazen thing to ask from your "read the thread" high horse.

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Cp/oc??/awa scumteam.

Elaborate?

This is a very brazen thing to ask from your "read the thread" high horse.

The difference here being that whenever I post a conclusion that I draw, I provide the steps of reasoning within that same post. You, on the other hand, simply state a conclusion(?) without any supporting evidence, leaving everyone to read your post and come to their own conclusions, which, since you poisoned the well with your own assertion, will likely be skewed toward your own stated conclusion. It's a classic example to psychological manipulation, which some people might not have recognized but which I won't fall for.

Prove to me you're reading the thread.

Which of my three scum reads have I not posted evidence on.

I'll give you a hint. It's only one.

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Guys now that the pressure's moved elsewhere CP has pretty much dipped.

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Where's Goodmorning's sig when you need it -_-

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perhaps you could argue awa hasnt said 1 or 2 of those things
but if awa has not said:
flubber is scummy
flubber is anti-town
flubber is scummy for being anti-town

then why, naomi, is awa voting flubber?

I think if you read AWAs numerous clarifications, he has stated that flubs behaviour is anti town and in the absence of any good scum reads we should vote for the worst townie. While I disagree on this he has been remarkably consistent even when I tried to bait him into scum reading flubbs.

I believe AWA is voting you now though.

Pedit: CP I will try to use that feature. Some posts were done on my phone so it's much more difficult to manipulate.

Why are you okay with awa having no scum reads?

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Flubbs what is your response to the argue,nets that you have little content, post fluff, and your only cast on CPs tone is not alignment indicative.

Pedit posting this before reading the last 3 posts

Throwing a fit, and being over defensive of a scum read on you, especially when it's in the form of a naked vote, is a fucking scum tell.

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perhaps you could argue awa hasnt said 1 or 2 of those things
but if awa has not said:
flubber is scummy
flubber is anti-town
flubber is scummy for being anti-town

then why, naomi, is awa voting flubber?

I think if you read AWAs numerous clarifications, he has stated that flubs behaviour is anti town and in the absence of any good scum reads we should vote for the worst townie. While I disagree on this he has been remarkably consistent even when I tried to bait him into scum reading flubbs.

I believe AWA is voting you now though.

Pedit: CP I will try to use that feature. Some posts were done on my phone so it's much more difficult to manipulate.

Why are you okay with awa having no scum reads?

Cause its day 1

And?

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Cp/oc??/awa scumteam.

Elaborate?

This is a very brazen thing to ask from your "read the thread" high horse.

The difference here being that whenever I post a conclusion that I draw, I provide the steps of reasoning within that same post. You, on the other hand, simply state a conclusion(?) without any supporting evidence, leaving everyone to read your post and come to their own conclusions, which, since you poisoned the well with your own assertion, will likely be skewed toward your own stated conclusion. It's a classic example to psychological manipulation, which some people might not have recognized but which I won't fall for.

Prove to me you're reading the thread.

Which of my three scum reads have I not posted evidence on.

I'll give you a hint. It's only one.

You have posted no supporting evidence for your accusations on myself. The only times you ever address me at all are 524 (handwave of my wall which I suspect you didn't actually read), 528 (a response to my accusations of not reading posts, and essentially a confirmation that you did not read it), 620 (some kind of mild read where you say I'm more interested in metagame than actual playing (what does this even mean, this whole game is about metagame)), 705 (you refuse to actually elaborate on why you suspect me on your scumteam (not really sure why you seem to know that there would be exactly three scum in the first place) and accuse me of being hypocritcal), and 724 (you ask for this post). Note that I'm somehow on your scumread list without you ever having actually posted anything to support that.

Interestingly, you also don't really have a case on Originalchris, beyond one response to his deflection comment and one reference to another game.

Everyone else, note his refusal to give a straight answer when questioned to outline his suspicions, which upon further investigate have no basis in fact. I also urge everyone to look at Flubber's ISO; he likes to post questions and prods, making other people do analytical work for him, while he sits back and doesn't provide any substance of his own. This conveniently allows him to jump on whatever wagon is popular at the moment, while making it seem that he's been supporting it all along.

Generic defenses/hand waves are scummy.

Playing inconsistently with one's town meta is scummy.

I don't see the issue.

But you did ask why you are scummy which I didn't answer.

Policy lynches give town minimal information. Pushing a policy lynch deprives town of information and therefore is a tactic favored by scum. And your ate over being scum read reeks the same scum stench of CP.

And through the massive walls of text you have, I just summarized your play in three sentences.

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VOTE: awa

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...............................

Well?

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No... This... No... Just-No..

Hey look at this handwave.

It's okay. You're still better at mafia than me for posting graphs.

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GGG that's really cute that you can cherry pick a single game of mine to scum paint me.

You must have taken the same statistics class as naomi.

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Flubbernugget that's really cute that you can cause disruption by intentionally using derogatory terms, multiple times (including once after it was already demonstrated to elicit a strong reaction) and post nothing but leading questions and non-content fluff while at the same time acting incredibly hypocritical by handwaving (something you claim is scummy) and selectively choosing which meta to look at (apparently yours is above analysis).

You must have taken the same misrepresentation and misdirection class as droog.

I just read that in my head in Mort Goldman's voice and it was sooo fucking worth it.

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Flubbs what is your response to the argue,nets that you have little content, post fluff, and your only cast on CPs tone is not alignment indicative.

Pedit posting this before reading the last 3 posts

Throwing a fit, and being over defensive of a scum read on you, especially when it's in the form of a naked vote, is a fucking scum tell.

This isn't a defense, you're dodging the question. The question was,

What is your response to the accusations of you posting fluff with little to no content?

I have my reads and I have my reasons and they're fluff because people don't agree with them.

You're simultaneously criticizing my content while saying I don't have enough content.

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GGG that's really cute that you can cherry pick a single game of mine to scum paint me.

You must have taken the same statistics class as naomi.

Flubbs could you summarize your reads then for us. The only one I have down for you is CP for tone

CP was over-defensive with the scum reads on him. Read is waning with a change in behavior. It's a shame I was pushed so hard over xyz, because now it's tougher to tell why he's doing abc. Oh well.

OC is not playing as offensively as I'm used to him playing and I'm not fond of what value his defenses have.

AWA is prioritizing self-preservation and pushing a policy lynch over scumhunting.

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And I open this page and all I see is walls :/

I can summarize.

This sentence makes you one of the worst players in mafia history.

gg

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Why this friendly welcome?

You're obvscum for not voting AWA yet.

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So you can lynch me for inactivity? No thanks

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Look at all this fluff.

Droog/Willow/Flub scumteam.

GG.

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Wait wait wait wait FUCKING WAIT.

You're scumreading me for calling a post of yours IIoA, and now you're saying

the same fucking thing about it???

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The worst part is that AWA is still the better lynch.

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Considering the confidence you had in yourself at the beginning of the game it's a little tough to read it that way.

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Yes

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V/LA family illness

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GGG and DGB, I know you want to come over.

Flub, I'm asking you to realise that istott has basically done the same thing as AWA, namely support lynching someone for being antitown, but being much more quiet and reserved about it. Can you please check out his awful hop onto droog as well?
Also, as you (yes you specifically) probably know, being bullheaded and not the way people want you to be is a town characteritic and AWA is displaying that.

If they're both scum for the same reasons, which posting style do you see as more dangerous to town?

I'm anticipating an isott replace out as well which I'm willing to wait for.

DGB replaced chris right? I can lynch that.

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That actually does make sense. You gotta remember scum knows allignments.

But I still think theres potential for a stronger read on istott.

Might go after a last minute DCB wagon; extension dependant.

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Scum can make more sense than town because they already know alignments and thus know what to look for. I think that's why tier is saying he doesn't like your case; it's based on reads and not intentions.

Actually lemme stop speaking on behalf of people.

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These droog walls are starting to bother me

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@mod

Should be off v/la barring emergencies.

Dgb I've only once asked someone to answer my questions.

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You're really not though.

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Jump on the train you're running outta time.

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Prodge

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I buy it. Especially with a watcher.

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Munkir's recent posts aren't saying town to me.

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Yay I have another scumread

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I was kinda paranoid that you were buddying me that's about it.

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Cp why are you so interested in ending discussion for today

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Gdb is fucking with my head

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I don't see how that vote follows

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I believe naomi's claim

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VOTE: crazypianist

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Like guys I'm not gonna be able to stop getting cp to active lurk but someone has to.

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This game is in baaaad need of a vig

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VOTE: oc

but cp is the real scum

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So CP could actually be scum

Yey

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VOTE: cdb

look at how obvtown I am

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And how the fuck about that thor is trying to scumread me for stopping a no lynch.

If I ever become an alcoholic I'm citing this game as the cause.

So are we in lylo because if we're not I'm voting the shit out of naomi

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Do you think droog was hit before last night and if so why

Also as much as a dick move neighbor site meta is there's still that concern as to why you didn't visit droog

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HAHA JOKES ON ME YOU WEREN'T HIS NEIGHBOR YOU JUST FAKED THE DERPHAMMER

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My question still stands

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VOTE: naomi

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Mods don't normally inform of hits here so is that speculation or did I miss a claim

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Wait nvmnd the no kill

UNVOTE:

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N2 I watched myself... as I thought i'd been shot for using my role

So you're bulletproof too now?

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N2 I watched myself... as I thought i'd been shot for using my role

So you're bulletproof too now?

No, Droog was. Im not sure where your getting that from.

That's the only way watching yourself makes sense.

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^^why does this post bother me

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Good point.
VOTE: munkir

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VOTE: thor665

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Yes I waited to pagetop my vote

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Gg everyone. Thanks for modding gif