Mini 1632 - Zar's Holiday Bash - Mardi Gras Showdown - Over!

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Hello all
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VOTE: silverspawn for reasons....

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VOTE: silverspawn for reasons....

Were you planning on mentioning that that's L-1?

Is it?
I just was random voting, whoever posted 5th after my first vote was all.

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VOTE: silverspawn for reasons....

Were you planning on mentioning that that's L-1?

Is it?
I just was random voting, whoever posted 5th after my first vote was all.

I'm curious why do you feel the need to explain yourself in detail. You could just say I was rvsing.

Also Its l-3

Well it had been mentioned I had put someone to one vote off lynch, I felt I needed to explain my vote and my method of picking a random vote. I was just being a little defensive was all

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VOTE: silverspawn for reasons....

Were you planning on mentioning that that's L-1?

Is it?
I just was random voting, whoever posted 5th after my first vote was all.

I'm curious why do you feel the need to explain yourself in detail. You could just say I was rvsing.

Also Its l-3

Well it had been mentioned I had put someone to one vote off lynch, I felt I needed to explain my vote and my method of picking a random vote. I was just being a little defensive was all

Why do you feel the need to be defensive?

I had a game recently where day one ended on page 2 or so because people didn't realise they were random voting all the same person. W elynched the person who placed the last vote, because we like had to, and so I was thinking of that as I posted.

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And Reinoe is town.

Reinoe has stopped appearing like town. He appears like he wants us to know that he is doing work.

@THEDUDEABIDES

Did you expect me to ask for links and then not follow up on said information?

VOTE: TSO

You know what you did

RVS has been over for a bit IMO. I just don't see the point of having six RVS votes.

being afraid of voting is a scummy.

@SILVERSPAWN

Are you saying that Aero is scummy for being afraid to vote? Because it looks like he finds voting six times in RVS unusual and he did already place a vote during RVS. Also I haven't read your first game in the link yet.

VOTE: silverspawn for reasons....

Were you planning on mentioning that that's L-1?

Is it?
I just was random voting, whoever posted 5th after my first vote was all.

I'm curious why do you feel the need to explain yourself in detail. You could just say I was rvsing.

Also Its l-3

Well it had been mentioned I had put someone to one vote off lynch, I felt I needed to explain my vote and my method of picking a random vote. I was just being a little defensive was all

@geraintm
If silverspawn was at L-1 like you thought why would you need to explain an RVS vote? In no way shape or form have you mentioned that silverspawn is scummy. If you thought Silverspawn was at L-1 without actually thinking he's scum then why didn't you unvote?

VOTE: geraintm

Silverspawn could be scum but geraintm is a much better vote.

I don't think he is scummy. The reasons. We're because he was the 5th person to post after me. That was my reason.
I actually saw no reason to Unvote though. Why remove a random vote. I had nowhere else to,place it?

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VOTE: geraintm

I gave you some time even thorough it wasn't a complete day but 14 hours is enough.


I don't like aeros 80 but he could just for the fact his using the phrase wifom wrongly. It's still early game through.

Really? 14 hours is enough? It's the weekend before Xmas, I am likely a different time zone to you, I have a pair of kids, and you are demanding day one I rush to respond to you? Really??? You are voting for me?

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VOTE: silverspawn for reasons....

Were you planning on mentioning that that's L-1?

mysteriousw

Why did I feel the need to explain my vote.
These two posts.

And game, you then say "You weren't the last person, you also didn't unvote if you did think it was l-1 and that still doesn't explain why you feel the need to explain yourself if the lynch didn't happen and it shows you have the urge to survive. A townie would of unvoted and not feel the need to explain himself." In post 94.
I also explained in my post 90 I have been in a game where through random voting there was a lynch incredibly early that resulted in a mislynch and I wanted to avoid that. Are you actually bothering to read my posts.....wait no you aren't, you had already decided you were going to vote for me.

It seems a bit....off to me that I explain my vote as soon as I can, and then respond to your vote as soon as I can and you find me doing this....scummy.
Basically, just go away and start acting properly and do something useful.

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Going to risk doing this I'm making a town block.
Only one member so far reinoe

The reason I say this so far is I never ever had scum in my town blocks before Also no one ever follows them even through they never have been wrong -_-.

Really, really? Town blocks at this stage?
And you are never wrong?

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To warn people, the holidays mean I have no idea how often I'll be able to post the next week or so. I'll be in as often as I can.

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@TSO & Kuribo

what are your thoughts on geraintm? What about serrapaladin?

I feel like serra dropped a town tell, the existence of which is only ever acknowledged by DGB and myself. not sure if it applies here, but for now I'm leaning town with serra.

gera I don't like, I didn't like that he "just happened" to "random vote" the biggest wagon

Quickly posting, it's xmas evening.

Go check every other game I have ever played. Check my method of random voting in every game, and see if it is exactly the same as this one. Calling me out for this is....not cool

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At first I discounted the gera business because there is a rather straightforward narrative that I think justifies the sequence of events, the problem that I have now is that I'm not seeing evidence of that in his responses.

What is the "straightforward narrative" that you thought was there?

So, let's assume that Gera was paying some attention to the votes, but not enough to actually count them. Then he probably felt that no one was close to a lynch. This is usually the level of care with voting that I have in RVS, and I expect others do too. So when saw this:

VOTE: silverspawn for reasons....

Were you planning on mentioning that that's L-1?

which came about 4 minutes after his vote, his first thought probably was that it wasn't, he posts:

VOTE: silverspawn for reasons....

Were you planning on mentioning that that's L-1?

Is it?
I just was random voting, whoever posted 5th after my first vote was all.

This is fine, except then I'd expect him to go back and count the votes, or just go back and see

VOTE: silverspawn for reasons....

Were you planning on mentioning that that's L-1?

Strike that, I forgot which game I was in

At this moment, he would know that it wasn't an L-1 vote.

The problem that I have is that his defense has focussed on why he explained his vote, rather than on the fact that his vote was an RVS vote that no one should have had an issue with in the first place.

respond to this.
Allthe way you have my thoughts is right, except I dont atually feel the need to Unvote. I never did go back and cout the votes, I just trusted what someone else had written. But as someone else had pointed out to everyone that they were one vote from being lynched then they weren't going to be, and the last vote would never be mine.
So why should I uncote?

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@reino post 284.

I find it interesting people trying to push suspicion on me. I know I am town, so I am always curious when people try and make me look bad.
Or making Serra look bad. I am not sure why reino is tying Serra to me so much. When I turn up town, what would that mean for Serra? Make them look townier? Basically just vomiting out this quick thought, just wanted to get in writing my thoughts about the two of them.

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Some more thoughts.
Gamr I have no idea. If he is scum and is acting, then bravo.
Otherwise just stop it.
I have zero trust in any of your reads btw. I think you are just all over the place in this game and I don't trust your views on anyone.

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I'm sorry for my lack of posting in this game. The holidays...

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Test

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I have been having problems posting

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Still having. Problems. I have one saved and I cannot post it. Basically it was saying silverman's opinion of Serra I didn't like.
And then a bit about how I miss newbie games, because there people don't try and meta the game/site etc and mostly just play what is in front of them.
And this was before someone flaked from this game for God knows what reason....

[geraintm]

Hello all.
Daughters second birthday today.
I hope to write stuff tonight

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My thoughts on exact.

Pretty consistent on gamr. Been against him the whole game.
Voting for Serra though at the moment. Been saying they have Serra in their top two the whole game, but it appears to be mostly starting from Serra not liking exact's posts (and some question dodging very early on). There has been no pressuring on Serra for ages, if Serra really is their top scum target I would have expected more questioning to be honest.

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Thought on dude abides.
Pretty meh. As in I am not getting any strong vibes either way. They are posting fine, interacting with people, doing the whole -asking other people questions to draw them out, but is putting forward their own thoughts too.

the scum list feels like a list of people they've not interacted that much with.
Anyways, I can't see me lynching here today, just nothing really scummy happening.

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Tso - hate this style of. Posting, nothing to the posts, all very short (and don't quote what they are referring to, that is just a pain for me though).
Lots of questions directed at people, not too much own thought beyond "I think these people are scum"
Like the vote of kuribo comes from adding them to his scum list for no obvious reason, then posting "does anyone else read kuribo as town" then voting for them when called out on not backing up their opinions.
But I don't understand where it has come from, their thoughts are hidden and to me at least, undecipherable. Dislike this all intensly.
Currently the person I have as most scummy/person I am happiest not being around for day 2

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Aeronaut - enjoy this poster. His posts to me make sense, his votes are placed with thought. I really like his picking up of the dudes scum list. He may well be scum, I am. It saying he isn't because scum can post well, but I havent. Spotted any slips or anything to give me bad vibes. Won't be voting for them today.

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I now realize I've been incorrectly abbreviating geraintm's name. Apologies.

It has actually felt odd that in this game I've been shortened to geri. Which is a girls name. When I'm a bloke.
But probably what I get for having a pretty obscure Welsh name.

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Vincero - I like most of his posts. Focussing very strongly on game and reino, and building decent cases on them.
I just can't get past the vote on gamr. Even if gamr is their top scum thought, you cannot go back on the post where you say they are much better left till tomorrow because of the extra info that will be gained.
Really dislike that. A lot.

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Reino - I am torn. Part of me wants to actually try and read his massive posts, most of me can't spend the time during a huge catchup . And part of me can't get over them thinking I am scum. I admit now I should have read all these posts more but I am getting overwhelmed by this Stage. Will come back later if needs be

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Acfan - lots of noise, lots of thoughts, I like the not lycnhing gamr and other people. A bit too easily swayed to join various wagons and asking others to join wagons. Gives me a scummy vibe because of this.

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Maddona - post 675 - dislike the part about wondering why someone hasn't been rung up to l-1 yet. Why does that matter? As long as people are being put under pressure and info is being stored for later then this day is doing its job.
I also find it difficult to get past them thinking I was scum for so long for my random vote. Grrrr....
Apart from that idiocy though, is ok. Just go me, that is a massive dollop of crapness.

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Serra - I liked the early stuff, his early posts. But the whole Middle section where is descends into meta analysis just left me cold. I think I. Said in an earlier post that I wish people would play the game in front of them and not other games

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RVS has been over for a bit IMO. I just don't see the point of having six RVS votes.

being afraid of voting is a scummy.

Last person. To go through.
Disagree with this statement. People can have different styles of voting, I think as long as people back up their reasoning for voting / not voting people are ok. It's when people don't back up their opinions with votes, that I dislike

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I completely disagree with silverspawn that explaining votes is scummy. In fact, it is my opinion that not explaining votes is scummy. Why would you announce a conclusion without presenting the premises and connections and expect people to believe/sheep you?

Overexplaining votes is scummy for the same reason that overdefending is scummy. Scum fears pressure more than town does, scum feels the need to explain votes carefully more than town does. If every town was afraid of putting someone at L-X, we would never have wagons. I think this is true especially for new scum, if you're new you try to explain all of your votes carefully in order to appear reasonable, whereas town just doesn't care as much.

Over explaining is bad? Really? Over defending is bad too? Picked two quotes her on playstle that I disagree with...

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@silver: what's strong about reinoe's case? Does any of it give any good suggestion of how my behaviour would be different as town.

No. Why should it do that? It explains why your behavior doesn't make sense as town, which is what a case should do. Making suggestions for better play is not a necessity.

The case reinoe made is clearly strong, and I liked serra even before that. We should absolutely lynch him today.

These are the end of his posts. I dunno, not liking silvers pawn for some reason. Their own views on Serra seem as weak and fabricated as the excuse he used to vote for him in the first place, and now relying on other peoples arguments. Feels weak

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VOTE: t s o
Where I am happiest right now

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@ reinoe
How about we bargain you don't think vince is town right how about I hide behind serra if you lynch our mutal scum read today?

I'm fine with whomever you choose to hide behind.

My scumreads are...

serrapaladin, vincero,

geraintm,

silverspawn.

SCUMREAD OBLITERATED!!!!

This is way too easy to strike me off...

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@ garmr 757 - I did go through all his posts. Well, except the first few pages. My read of him is as I said

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acfan is off the list because he's dropped a town-tell that I don't want to get into unless I really have to.
Gera is better, but his TSO case is lame, I mean, in context it's not too hard to see what TSO's thinking.

I am sorry it isn't better. I. Am by no means saying I think Tso is 100% scum, but right now the person who I think is most likely to be.

The hint at the town tell though is pretty meh thing to do. Post your convictions or not at all

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I was trying to see vinces meta but I noticed this is his first game.

@Vince
do you have any previous mafia experience?

Please don't go down this path....

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Alright, I'm all caught up.

Made some notes while reading through and have a reads list coming when I'm home from vacation (2nd) so I'll post it up when I've got something more than an iPad to work with.

Until then:

Wait how many people think I'm fake claiming

/hand raise

But that's going to work itself out, right?

Do you think he is scum though?

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All of you. But mostly, you're 100% claiming your target before night.

I already declared who I was hiding behind I was thinking of not hiding at all and saving it to see if the scum would shoot my hide target.

If you do not do as you claim you would do, then you need to be lycnhed immediately.

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I also believe exact science and serra are not scum together. So if exact flips scum serra is most likely town.

I feel come the end of the game, you'll be able to say you found scum. I also believe you'll have identified every single player In the game as scum by then too.
I admit I am tuning you out, you are spraying so much around the nuggets are lost among the rest

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I also believe exact science and serra are not scum together. So if exact flips scum serra is most likely town.

I feel come the end of the game, you'll be able to say you found scum. I also believe you'll have identified every single player In the game as scum by then too.
I admit I am tuning you out, you are spraying so much around the nuggets are lost among the rest

I'm keeping a solid 3 on the main suspect anyone else wouldn't be included also it's my style to push everyone early game unless I got a strong town read. It should be obvious I'm town anyway. Stop trying to devalue my reads because you're sour I pushed you early game and actually read the content which I don't think you are.

I can devalue your reads if you admit to pushing everyone.

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I could have, but I shouldn't have to. The fact that you'd rather go through this argument than check my posts doesn't reflect well on you.

His defense hasn't been incredible (but I wouldn't expect it to be), but I also think much of your analysis is conf bias. Coming out with his claim prematurely is something I wouldn't see him faking as scum for both benefit.

Well tbf you did call him neutral then not town.

His defense isn't good at all even you expect it to be. Also we have had 2 claims before him and neither of those are getting lynched today (me and kuribo) I believe he was just trying to imitate us.

VOTE: vincero

You vote Serra, then 5 posts later he convinces you to vote someone else? You understand now why I am finding you troublesome.

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@ reinoe
How about we bargain you don't think vince is town right how about I hide behind serra if you lynch our mutal scum read today?

I'm fine with whomever you choose to hide behind.

My scumreads are...

serrapaladin, vincero,

geraintm,

silverspawn.

SCUMREAD OBLITERATED!!!!

This is way too easy to strike me off...

K. Build a scumcase on yourself.

Obviously I wont. It was more a comment on how I found you so easily putting me in the town pile was something I found....interesting.

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If he even is town, it's not so much shouldn't have claimed as much as:

Don't do shit to make yourself out to be scum as if the claim alone is what clears you somehow.

Like.

Don't fucking self-hammer.

Don't make one early-as-fuck-claim-of-cop as if you want to out our other damn PR's only to self-hammer and THEN claim your actual role?

Don't say shit like:

people keep saying that but i don't know why. if we've found a scum, why not lynch them today?

Because I'm not scum and I want to use my ability once before I die. It's a simple concept i don't know if your pretending not to get it so you can push a lynch on me today in fear of me or your really that basic you can't think that far.

You want to use your ONE SHOT ABILITY - 'ONCE BEFORE I DIE'.

Or like:

I just had a brilliant idea Because I'm limited in some respect if another power role uses there ability on me and they get no result (aka no kill or no inspect/track ect) then I'm confirmed town and you also confirm another person as town if i survive. If I don't survive just don't say anything.

Yeah, after all you've already done, a great idea is to backtrack on what your best play as town would be in hiding behind scum - when really it's only making me think you're already trying to get out of dying D2 when you come back alive.

Seriously.

Yay! Like this post. Sorta summarises half my thoughts on garmr. The other half being the whole pushing everyone is scum thing

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Scum aren't going to NK him because of the massive paranoia around him -if- he's town.

Fuck it, Garmr, you shouldn't have claimed.

You guys shouldn't of pushed me for a full claim. I was trying to soak up a night kill. You get what you ask for.

You were dying to claim.

[geraintm]

Sigh. This game is turning into a nuisance. I'm more put off by all the BM than I expected. I never read a single fuck you in mafia before signing up for this game. And I don't like asking for a replacement, because the amount of replacing that's going on here is the other thing that bothers me, but whatever. I'm not motivated to do anything else than lurking, which wouldn't be good for anyone. So,

replace me please

, and sorry for that.

last words about the game, serra is making no sense, how can you not see that. I'm not even saying that he's scum, but his arguments are

weak

. Also don't lynch reinoe.

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garmr vs gerantim (same names!!! fucking lol))
reads like town garmr and scum gerantim
especialy gerantim making excuses for why he didnt move a random vote
but no effort to cast a not random vote

this is page 4

gerantim making excuses for why he didnt move a random vote
but no effort to cast a not random vote

I like this too. It puts into words what I couldn't articulate.

Ho hum. I dunno what to say about something that I do every game thatisnt. Me just going "I do this every game"
As to why I. Didn't,one my vote, why did I need to? Moving it to somewhere that. I didn't. Want to move it is just weird, makes me look bad by having votes I am not committed to. It was always going to move skomewhere by the end of the day, you could all just wait....

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Vincero - I like most of his posts. Focussing very strongly on game and reino, and building decent cases on them.
I just can't get past the vote on gamr. Even if gamr is their top scum thought, you cannot go back on the post where you say they are much better left till tomorrow because of the extra info that will be gained.
Really dislike that. A lot.

About to go through Vincero's posts now to see how happy I am for lynching him. Be back shortly

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Oh hell no I'm not playing with droog. Looks like I'm getting lynched anyway. VOTE: Vincero

Ugh. This game has had some really sucky moments. This is one of them.

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Yeah, I am happy with voting

VOTE: vincero

[geraintm]

Oh. That was a lynch.
I was replying to a message from the mod and didn't see the previous post a minute before mine.
But still happy with the lynch

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I don't care enough to convince you.if it looks like Vince is being lynched, Ill probably defend him, but otherwise, you can continue falsely tunnelling.

This never happened.

[geraintm]

So who's up for quick lynching reinoe.before he starts talking?

Why? Don't understand this.

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Well ok I wanted to vote for droog today but he's town (for reasons other than garmr's claim).

garmr, you're a dolt.

I'll continue to sheep serrapaladin and VOTE: Iknal

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Don't know what dolt means but I'll wear it as a badge of honor.

I would pay good money to see you walk around town with a DOLT badge on.

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I'm amazed, I come back today and read the thread and I see nk mention of me. Not one. I lycnhed the guy and no one comments. Did you all get a message from mod at some point saying I'm town?
I believe we are still missing tso today?
I didn't. Like yesterday ending with two people not having a vote on anywhere. There should have been no reason for that.

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From elle's play alone, I could actually see that slot being scum, but do we really think kuribo's oddly early claim and ragequit really came from scum?

1050 was pretty bad though. Being right about someone's alignment is one of the easiest things to do as scum.

@ac: what's your take on Garmr?

A dolt is a nincompoop.

VOTE: iknal

I'd also still be more than happy to lynch reinoe.

Happy to lynch iknal, reino and Elle. That's a fair few.
Didn't come to the rescue of vince yesterday, and my read of them Yesterday started out well but they didn't end well. Post 897, this rubbed me up wrong.
This is where I am looking at the moment for where I would vote. But wait until everyone checks in

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I also want to lynch Madonna.

geraint why the fuck did you hammer

Check timings of the posts, as I said end of y ester day I didnt realise I was hammering.

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@Madonna
I have an idea of the hiding "charade", though I loathe to call it that. To me it just seems like bad town play more than anything else. I don't like the almost self hammer (what a waste of town power if that happened) but I don't really feel like its something worth going on about, at least until later in the day.
I

read

skimmed your walls and have done so more thoroughly now, though I didnt get anything from them. Mostly as they seem to me more like you want to appear to be doing stuff. The end result of them was what? You saying you (renoe) and serra are tunnelling each other. The entire thing doesn't provide much to the town, which shows when people completely ignored it.

That you hop on me for the opposite is absurd; either one or the other is indicative of scumminess, not both.

Nah, thats a lie. Two people can be scum for entirely different reasons, they're not exclusive.

I can't get a read on Gerai at all, his vote pattern leads me to think he's scum, but the way he words posts not pertaining to votes reads town.
@Gerai, Serra has a point, when you go to post a big warning comes up saying that there have been some more posts since your last one, you still ok with posting this? It would have taken like a minute to read them and say oh shit, I shouldn't post this vote. So, why did you hammer at that time?

@ Garm, first time playing a hider?

I did not get that notification. I believe in between my previous post and my vote I messaged the mod about something. I don't know why in this instance I didn't get it, but I didnt.

What vote pattern btw? I think I've only placed 3 all game?

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Just checked in now before I bathe th girls..see I am nearly dead. Will back in a few hours to respond properly.
I'm town if anyone cares.

[geraintm]

Catching up now

@reino post 284.

I find it interesting people trying to push suspicion on me. I know I am town, so I am always curious when people try and make me look bad.

Or making Serra look bad. I am not sure why reino is tying Serra to me so much. When I turn up town, what would that mean for Serra? Make them look townier? Basically just vomiting out this quick thought, just wanted to get in writing my thoughts about the two of them.

ok. what is interesting about it.

Being town, whenever someone lumps suspicion on me I take note. Especially when it is for what I consider bad reasons, anytime someone is stretching to make me look bad, I have to note it for later. In post 284 reinoe is doing it because I didn't Unvote a random vote....

[geraintm]

I'm sorry for my lack of posting in this game. The holidays...

i take it you celebrate in january too?

What have earth hav been posting. For much of the game, people have been ignoring me.

I'm amazed, I come back today and read the thread and I see nk mention of me. Not one. I lycnhed the guy and no one comments. Did you all get a message from mod at some point saying I'm town?
I believe we are still missing tso today?
I didn't. Like yesterday ending with two people not having a vote on anywhere. There should have been no reason for that.

I actually posted earlier today saying I am finding it weird no one is talking to me. And if I am not being involved in the conversation, it is hard to jump in and talk a lot.
Oh by the way, I am going to come back to this point, call it foreshadowing or something

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I also want to lynch Madonna.

geraint why the fuck did you hammer

Check timings of the posts, as I said end of y ester day I didnt realise I was hammering.

I shoudn't second guess myself so much.

UNVOTE: elleheathen
VOTE: geraintm

Ok, I am going to say this one more time. People can believe me or they can use it as an excuse to lynch.
I was posting various comments about the game.
I sent one to mod at 7:48
I posted at 8:20, this is post 1015
I get a message from mod at 8:20, that is the time stamp of it.
I reply to mod, that is time stamped 8:21. This is after the post at 8:20.
My next post is at 8:23
In between, aeronaut posted also at 8:21

I did not see any message saying there had been a post in thread.
I can say there might have been a message, but if there was I have no memory of this.

No reinoe, if my hammering yesterday is such a big deal and is the reason you are going to vote for me, and that my explanation today isn't good enough, then why the hell didn't you mention it say in your first post today.

You should probably worry more over the content of your own posts.

Besides Vincero, who are your top guesses for scum, Garmr. And

why

?

It's impolite to ask someone to do something you aren't doing yourself.

VOTE: elleheathen

Wait, you are voting someone else instead, and wait till you can sheep Tso and vote for me.
Opportunistic bs vote.

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can we just quicklynch geraint

Why, why quick lynch me?

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VOTE: geraintim

VOTE: Geri

Oh my.

I am not sure how to respond to these two.
Well, going to have to go back now through their posts of today and see if they have actually mentioned me at all or are they just jumping one wagon for fun and/or profit...

[geraintm]

@reino post 284.

I find it interesting people trying to push suspicion on me. I know I am town, so I am always curious when people try and make me look bad.

Or making Serra look bad. I am not sure why reino is tying Serra to me so much. When I turn up town, what would that mean for Serra? Make them look townier? Basically just vomiting out this quick thought, just wanted to get in writing my thoughts about the two of them.

ok. what is interesting about it.

I think this and the funny comment about January are his two mentions of me. No suspicion levelled at me from what I can see.
Seems a pretty easy switch to jumping onto me if I am being honest

[geraintm]

VOTE: Geri

Ok, looked at garmr's posts
From 999 to 1126 I cannot see him mention me at all. If anyone can point it out then I'll back down, but as far as I can see garmr jumps onto my wagon totally following it for no reason

[geraintm]

And you know what? If, if we're unlucky, if the website somehow fucked up - he deserves to die anyway. I'm sick of condoning shit play.

Tbh, I'm fine with policy lynching derphammers.

See this pair of posts.
I'll point the honourable members to my early answer.

At no point by the way has anyone explained to me why as scum I would manage to set it up so that I would be posting about vincero and everything else, and then post at 8:18 and 8:20 knowing that aeronaut was going to post at that exact same moment so I could then lynch vincero and blame the hammer on not seeing aeronaut a post.
Because people are alledging that, that I as scum planned post 1016.

[geraintm]

the really quick wagon also makes me feel uncomfortable but you know what he'll die anyway

I'm glad someone noticed the wagon formed incredibly quickly. It's like a bunch of scum jumped on it, looking at a crappy reason which they all ignored for a few days, trying to lynch me.

[geraintm]

the really quick wagon also makes me feel uncomfortable but you know what he'll die anyway

Tbh his just null for me but no one wants to vote my scum read (elle) and since everyone suspicious of me theyare all hesitant about jumping on my wagon.

Also tso If you are town then the last two votes come from confirmed town and me.

Really? You are voting me despite not thinking I'm scum?
And for a moment there I was worried....
I know my play hasn't been Stella this game, but this....

[geraintm]

VOTE: geraintm

I gave you some time even thorough it wasn't a complete day but 14 hours is enough.


I don't like aeros 80 but he could just for the fact his using the phrase wifom wrongly. It's still early game through.

I forgot about this post from garmr earlier in the game. So eager to vote for me....

[geraintm]

His hammer and attempt to talk his way out of it are definitely bad play. He's lucky Vince only flipped VT, but there's a pretty good argument for policy lynching any hammer without a claim.

VOTE: geraintm

That's L-1

Ok, now another vote for me. Let me go back and see if Serra advocated a policy lynch on me before the wagon formed? Brb

[geraintm]

Checking
981 - no mention of me, wants to vote iknal
1027 - nope
1030- post aimed at garmr
1031 - votes iknal
1033 - nothing
1034 - advocatin g quicklynching reinoe

1040 nothing
1061 - Elle is scum now?

Think I am first mentioned in 1074

Seems that his policy lynch on me is very convenient...it only appears when he can put me at l-1

[geraintm]

Geraintm is a good lynch. Here's why...

Mini 1587 Gera plays in a mini-normal where there are three flashwagons. Three. Not one, not two, three. That game lasted 12 pages. He's acutely aware of the danger of flashwagon derphammers. Also this.

I had a game recently where day one ended on page 2 or so because people didn't realise they were random voting all the same person. W elynched the person who placed the last vote, because we like had to, and so I was thinking of that as I posted.

It's why I got suspicious of him randomly voting the largest wagon. I was willing to give that derphammer a pass because we've all derphammered. But his excuse just straight up isn't true. Also this...

I'm sorry for my lack of posting in this game. The holidays...

i take it you celebrate in january too?

p::: edit...
I'm seeing other posts since I started this posts because that's what really happens when these situations.

I agree, I am a great lynch if you think I am scum. If you think I, as scum, set it up so that a second player could come in at the exact moment I was in a string of posts to also vote the person I am about to vote for.
If you honestly believe I am scum and planned that, I dunno what to say except lynch me. You'll be making a mistake, but carry on with this line of though.

[geraintm]

don't get me wrong, you're a cool guy, but you need to hang for that

it's just how it is

You know what, if it is a policy people have to voting for people who hammer when they don't give people time to claim, then fine. Lynch me.
But I am calling bs on the lot of you. Because no one mentioned this policy.

In fact, remember this

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I'm amazed, I come back today and read the thread and I see nk mention of me. Not one. I lycnhed the guy and no one comments. Did you all get a message from mod at some point saying I'm town?
I believe we are still missing tso today?
I didn't. Like yesterday ending with two people not having a vote on anywhere. There should have been no reason for that.

I actually noted in my first set of posts today how I was surprised that not one person had posted in this game about me. It wasn't that no one makes mention of policy lynching me, no one had mentioned me full stop.
Any townies who are on this wagon need to realise how crappy a wagon this is for crappy reasoning that no one remembered to mention till it they could join a rapidly growing wagon.

[geraintm]

What's interesting about it
Does reunite look scummy for it
Does he look townie
Do you think the wagon on you is
Scum controlled
Town controlled?

You said something was interestin
What is it causing you to think

At the time, it was more just an aide memoire for myself so I didn't forget it. It becomes more interesting if this sort of thing happens multiple times

[geraintm]

I'm amazed, I come back today and read the thread and I see nk mention of me. Not one. I lycnhed the guy and no one comments. Did you all get a message from mod at some point saying I'm town?
I believe we are still missing tso today?
I didn't. Like yesterday ending with two people not having a vote on anywhere. There should have been no reason for that.

Ok geraintn you're right
No one was talking to you
Maybe that's weird

What's your point
What's weird about it
What reads does it give you

What reads does it give me, well anyone who has a policy lynch for lynching me who didn't mention it earlier looks suspicious as anything. "You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence."

Yeah, that ^^^^

[geraintm]

I actually posted earlier today saying I am finding it weird no one is talking to me. And if I am not being involved in the conversation, it is hard to jump in and talk a lot.

Kind of the point of being town is to involve yourself in conversations which don't necessarily mention you, like. To only talk when mentioned is not necessarily scumplay but just poor town play.

Anyway, I'm not overly convinced on the gerai lynch. I'm not exactly townreading him - he has basically flown under the radar for me - but I don't know. I don't really see scum "accidentally" hammering in the manner that he did and then responding how he did. In fact, Reinoe's point in post 1153 makes me think gerai is more likely to not be scum (partially because i am still scumreading reinoe) just because I have a hard time believing that he would expect this to work as scum.

Fair point about trying to involve myself into the game more. I confess I've been poor, but day 1 at Christmas was very awkward.
You are actually the first person to actually examine the likelihood of scum Geraint doing what I've done. Thanks for that

[geraintm]

"No reinoe, if my hammering yesterday is such a big deal and is the reason you are going to vote for me, and that my explanation today isn't good enough, then why the hell didn't you mention it say in your first post today."

This is worth an answer

First post is a vote on elle because she's scumming up the slot like it's her job. Second post is a prodge. Third post is because geraintm's explanation makes no sense.

Why didn't I bring it up? Because ELLE was a bigger priority to me at the start of the day to me and we've all derphammered, or I imagine some of us have. The derphammer isn't even my primary concern about geraintm, it was the b.s. excuse to justify it.

p:edit Yeah gera, every vote is a sheep and opportunistic. Every single one

Well, garmr's is a self confessed one. The rest seem to be for this policy reason to vote for me which isn't brought up till they actually, you know, vote for me....

Please, if you think my excuse for the hammer is bs, please go through my postings leading up to the hammer, and the surprise outside vote, and show me how I can explain it any way other than I am. You cannot say you are fine with the hammer but it is the explanation today which Is causing you to vote for me. They both need to make sense

[geraintm]

Hey gera, why are you minimizing players outside of the ones voting for you or threatening to vote for you?

What's your read on iknal and elleheathen?

Why, because when I am at lynch minus one, I think my priority really should be on the votes on me. As I know these votes are coming from either misguided ness or scumminess, then this is what I really should be worrying about. As I don't want to go lynched, iknal and Elle are not my priority

[geraintm]

the problem is what you are saying literally doesn't add up

either the server magically fucked up or you're lying

What else do you want me to say?
I don't know why I didn't see the notification. I've explained it as best I can. I don't think I am allowed to post screen caps of my inbox to show it.

But why would I lie? Why would In Twilight yesterday say I was replying to a message from mod and didn't see the other vote?
I could be scum, but for me to be scum and to lie about not seeing the notification also means I had to be scum and know that aeronaut was going to vote vince right as I was going through vince's posts to see if I was happy to vote for him. And that is more believable than me not seeing the notification?

[geraintm]

reinoe's response looks pretty town
geraintm's thought process does not
and he's basically committed to"
the only things worth talking about are voting me"

someone please announce intent to hammer
so we can get a claim and move on

When people are calling for my head, forgive me for being focussed on it.

I am happy to say what I am.
I am vanilla town.
I have no special insight into this game.

I wonder if people are going to justify their vote on me now because I wouldn't be a great loss to the town even if he is vanilla town?

[geraintm]

garmr vs gerantim (same names!!! fucking lol))
reads like town garmr and scum gerantim
especialy gerantim making excuses for why he didnt move a random vote
but no effort to cast a not random vote

this is page 4

VOTE: silverspawn for reasons....

Were you planning on mentioning that that's L-1?

Is it?
I just was random voting, whoever posted 5th after my first vote was all.

if this vote was random, how did it end up on the biggest wagon?

this is also a fair point against gerantim

im up to page 13 thats 1/3 time for abreak

gerantim looks scummy but he also looks like an easy target
aeronaut is a minor suspicioun
kuribo's slot looks minor town
reino and i apparently have some of the same reads so thats minor town for now

thanks for contributing geraintm

*does scummy thing*
"WHY ISNT ANYONE SCUMREADING MEA"
^you rn

this didnt even take me 2 minutes

VOTE: geraintim

VOTE: Geri

Oh my.

I am not sure how to respond to these two.
Well, going to have to go back now through their posts of today and see if they have actually mentioned me at all or are they just jumping one wagon for fun and/or profit...

I said today. I didn't search through yesterday's posts. So I didn't see anything before post 1020.
So all I saw of your posts about me today were the one about January and post 1072 I'm not sure I undertsand it, what does rn mean? That post also didn't mention my name or a variant of it and I was using Ctrl f to find mentions of me

[geraintm]

Do you think you're gonna push votes off you by calling them scummy?

What else am I meant to say about the votes on me?

[geraintm]

if geraint is town he'd have been fucking drove into the ground by now

there's sudden quick resistance. that means scum.

Could be that the scum were on the wagon and the other townies couldn't be persuaded to join in. There are other options, not just the one you push.

[geraintm]

Have you considered that maybe he's just an idiot?

I have considered many times about the mental competency of garmr...

[geraintm]

Pretty much. As scum, it would take at least a bit of planning to pull off the fake self-hammer and stuff, while I think as town, his play can be neatly summarised as irrational, poorly thought out, bad play.

The same goes, to some extent for Gera, though in his case it could equally be careless scum. None of his play suggests to me the forethought to knowingly hammer and follow it up with "whoops" and some story about how he was messaging the mod. (As an aside, quoting timestamps from private messages concerning a game are against site rules...)

In either case, if you start to make it too easy for scum to deliberately pull bad moves like derphammers and get away with it, site meta suffers. This is the reason I'm generally quite amenable to policy lynches. In garmr's case, there are additional strategical considerations, whereas Gera might be a good shout, even if I'm not sure of my read either way.

I like this post.
It matches up with how I feel the game has gone with regards me and garmr.

Right now I consider garmr an over enthusiastic townie, I felt he was dying to claim yesterday, I also think he is bored with this game and wants out to start a new one. That is my read on him.
I don't have him pegged as scum. He could be, but for now I am assuming he isn't. I felt like the wagon that built up on him yesterday was....forced.
Similar to how I felt the wagon on me came about, it was opportunistic and the reasoning was forced.

Both attempts, to me, look like 2 attempts to lynch two players, to go along with the actual lynch of vince.

The lynch of vince was
vincero (7): Madonna, Garmr, Iknal, reinoe, vincero, Aeronaut, geraintm
The wagon on me was Tso, garmr, reinoe, droog, serra
The wagon on garmr was serra, kuribo, aeronaut, (exact science)


Kuribo is now Elle. Exact is iknal.

Post 897 from serra btw is him asking to join the vince wagon.
I am suspicious of people who are on multiple of these wagons.

[geraintm]

Look at vincero; we lynched him for mixing "bad" and "scummy". We want to do the same for geraintm and Garmr. We have a toxic town that wants to rip itself apart. Bad play is sometimes just bad play, but here we are with people calling a geraintm quicklynch and a Garmr lynch in the wings. Policy lynches will be the death of us, and we need something better than geraintm refusing to acknowledge he is in the wrong for hammering so soon, but so is the wagon for having played into scum's hands.

pedit: I was typing this up ten minutes earlier and walked away. While I agree that policy lynches are pushed to help prod better townplay, it can be used by scum too to dwindle the town numbers. I want to re-read before I push for anything, PL or otherwise.

Quoting to show support. Madonna only being on one of the three wagons and not joining in on mine to me has madonnas in the very strong town pile.

[geraintm]

Vince wasn't even that bad...

Do you think Gera is town then?

As to TSO's earlier point, if Gera is scum, I still don't think the people actively resisting the lynch would be his buddies.

Look at vincero; we lynched him for mixing "bad" and "scummy". We want to do the same for geraintm and Garmr. We have a toxic town that wants to rip itself apart. Bad play is sometimes just bad play, but here we are with people calling a geraintm quicklynch and a Garmr lynch in the wings. Policy lynches will be the death of us, and we need something better than geraintm refusing to acknowledge he is in the wrong for hammering so soon, but so is the wagon for having played into scum's hands.

pedit: I was typing this up ten minutes earlier and walked away. While I agree that policy lynches are pushed to help prod better townplay, it can be used by scum too to dwindle the town numbers. I want to re-read before I push for anything, PL or otherwise.

Elle seems to me to be scum that is trying to push a lynch on me has provided jack all since she got here and I provided some good reasoning on why she is scum. If you think i just did some bad play early day 1 as town then elle would be a good place to start. I'll even shift my vote to her if someone else votes her with me.

you mean which of you, elle and acfan is scum

and probably elle

I really want to have you down as town, but then you go and do stuff like this. I just want to shout at you "keep it in your pants!" Just because you can vote, doesn't mean you should.

Lynch elle instead of geri?

[geraintm]

Vince wasn't even that bad...

Do you think Gera is town then?

As to TSO's earlier point, if Gera is scum, I still don't think the people actively resisting the lynch would be his buddies.

Look at vincero; we lynched him for mixing "bad" and "scummy". We want to do the same for geraintm and Garmr. We have a toxic town that wants to rip itself apart. Bad play is sometimes just bad play, but here we are with people calling a geraintm quicklynch and a Garmr lynch in the wings. Policy lynches will be the death of us, and we need something better than geraintm refusing to acknowledge he is in the wrong for hammering so soon, but so is the wagon for having played into scum's hands.

pedit: I was typing this up ten minutes earlier and walked away. While I agree that policy lynches are pushed to help prod better townplay, it can be used by scum too to dwindle the town numbers. I want to re-read before I push for anything, PL or otherwise.

Elle seems to me to be scum that is trying to push a lynch on me has provided jack all since she got here and I provided some good reasoning on why she is scum. If you think i just did some bad play early day 1 as town then elle would be a good place to start. I'll even shift my vote to her if someone else votes her with me.

you mean which of you, elle and acfan is scum

and probably elle

.

Lynch elle instead of geri?

I really want to have you down as town, but then you go and do stuff like this. I just want to shout at you "keep it in your pants!" Just because you can vote, doesn't mean you should

Reposting as that didn't come out as I intended

[geraintm]

@areo
I'm not even going to deny i want this day done faster I want this game done faster hell I'll even support a lynch on myself (I'm still town through). The geri wagon has every single town read I have on it and his null on my list.

Just stop.....
Just because you are bored with this game please don't make crappy, crappy plays that ruin it for the rest of us.

[geraintm]

Geraintm, reads list plz. Your VCA doesn't make sense.

Madonna I have as town. I'm just not ever going to vote for them.
Garmr....detrimental town. I wish I could vote for them, I hope someone decides some other way to sort him out one way or the other.


Looking at the votes, serra is top of my suspicion list.

Aeronut/reinoe then too

Rest of you are pretty meh, nothing as of yet to make me think of them as someone

Going to go through serra now to see if I am happy voting for them

[geraintm]

My initial read of serra back inmy post 745 said I liked his early stuff, but then hated him as he moved into meta analysis.
Then he is on both the garmr wagon and my wagon and

@garmr, if I vote for vincero, will you hide behind me?

Go look at my posts 1177 and 1178 to see what I think of serra's joining of my wagon.

And my post 1073 already has me today, even before they joined in on my wagon, as the person I think is scum

So yeah, pretty much VOTE: serra