Mini 1632 - Zar's Holiday Bash - Mardi Gras Showdown - Over!

[Garmr]

Cats in the cradle So I

VOTE: Silverspawn

Little boy blue and the man on the moon

[Garmr]

I nominate pink as the new colour for

scum

this game because the mod took red.

[Garmr]

Is it too early to call someone nervous and skittish?

Nah

And there's OMGUS.

Vote: Silverspawn

All of that could of been done for a reaction what you missed is the true sin his a brony dun dun dun. Lol

[Garmr]

his a brony dun dun dun. Lol

*he's

He's a grammar nazi dun dun dun

[Garmr]

to be fair I despise the term brony, but I'll still

vote: Garmr

for voting me for that reason

Because the cats in the cradle?

[Garmr]

VOTE: silverspawn for reasons....

Were you planning on mentioning that that's L-1?

Is it?
I just was random voting, whoever posted 5th after my first vote was all.

I'm curious why do you feel the need to explain yourself in detail. You could just say I was rvsing.

Also Its l-3

[Garmr]

*silverspawn, why have you changed your vote 6 times in two pages?

Like are those people scumreads for you are are you just arbitrarily voting?

Oh, is that not something you do on this forum? throwing with votes around in the beginning?

and, obviously none of them was serious.

It is we call it rvs random voting stage and areo should of known that.

[Garmr]

*silverspawn, why have you changed your vote 6 times in two pages?

Like are those people scumreads for you are are you just arbitrarily voting?

Oh, is that not something you do on this forum? throwing with votes around in the beginning?

and, obviously none of them was serious.

It is we call it rvs random voting stage and areo should of known that.

RVS has been over for a bit IMO. I just don't see the point of having six RVS votes.

I consider that there is a period of coming out of rvs it doesn't just stop and I feel we are slowly coming out of it still.

[Garmr]

RVS has been over for a bit IMO. I just don't see the point of having six RVS votes.

being afraid of voting is a scummy.

Don't want to get involved in you twos little talk to much but I can point out I think your both misunderstanding each others meanings. "Grabs popcorn"

[Garmr]

I can't read it

[Garmr]

Vincero is on hold for now. if you really want me to answer those questions, I will, but I don't think that you'll appreciate the answer.

Madonna, Silverspawn and Aeronaut are all town.
Reinoe has stopped appearing like town. He appears like he wants us to know that he is doing work.

Howl noting Vincero's overreaction to my vote, but not voting him at this early stage, makes me suspicious of Howl (which is a shame because he should be with me in Rockland).

Garmr is also a decent choice for scum:

VOTE: silverspawn for reasons....

Were you planning on mentioning that that's L-1?

Is it?
I just was random voting, whoever posted 5th after my first vote was all.

I'm curious why do you feel the need to explain yourself in detail. You could just say I was rvsing.

Also Its l-3

Here he tries to cast suspicion onto geraintm for over-explaining himself.

*silverspawn, why have you changed your vote 6 times in two pages?

Like are those people scumreads for you are are you just arbitrarily voting?

Oh, is that not something you do on this forum? throwing with votes around in the beginning?

and, obviously none of them was serious.

It is we call it rvs random voting stage and areo should of known that.

Here he tries to cast suspicion onto aeronaut for faking a lack of knowledge.

Both over-explaining and faking lack lack of knowledge are pretty fair scum-tells to use at this stage of the game. It's a safe play by Garmr to use them. This would be completely null if I thought that Garmr's suspicions were honest. However, Garmr has kept his vote on Silverspawn through all of this, so I don't.

Unvote
Vote Garmr

So your case on me is I'm pointing out scummy things because it the safest thing for scum to do is kinda a weird approach. Also it's not like silver is going to get lynched right now so I am in no rush to move my vote and I won't be lynched today either so yeah lol.

[Garmr]

and I won't be lynched today either so yeah lol.

why not?

Confidence I have a reputation of being notoriously hard to lynch now matter how many people scum read me(This applies to town). I think it's because I'm very open and provide tons of posts on my thoughts. I tend to end game alot yet people don't listen to me no matter how right I am with my reads.

So your case on me is I'm pointing out scummy things because it the safest thing for scum to do is kinda a weird approach. Also it's not like silver is going to get lynched right now so I am in no rush to move my vote and I won't be lynched today either so yeah lol.

A weird approach, what do you think scum is likely to do?
Do you think that scum is likely to come out of the gate playing like Silverspawn, what do you think if Reinoe's comment about his meta?

It's a playstyle thing, If you look at my past games in the early phases I tend to ask one person a question then give them time to answer and go down line about whys before I place my vote. This way I can get a feel for them on a emotional level as well as the first action they done.

It kinda ticks me off people will jump on a person for the point I brought and want them to explain it. It taints the questioning as they feel everyone's viewing it as scummy and you might not get the real intention out of it.

Reinoe seems town Even through I can't see the thing he put up it's the fact his putting in work. Shows his thinking and that's town for him.

Also with aero I got what I want out him. A understanding of his thought process a little bit better. Also what I asked was a very good trigger question and they tend to get the ball rolling.

[Garmr]

Phone posting right now, but I don't like that Gamr is trying to sneak in a soft claim there. I don't know why he'd to do that so early as town, so that's worrysome. Will look more when I get home

There's thousands of reasons why I could soft claim as either alignment

My fav reason I will explain latter.

But all in time,

[Garmr]

Now it's time to go to sleep and watch the flurry of comments and reactions.

[Garmr]

VOTE: silverspawn for reasons....

Were you planning on mentioning that that's L-1?

Is it?
I just was random voting, whoever posted 5th after my first vote was all.

I'm curious why do you feel the need to explain yourself in detail. You could just say I was rvsing.

Also Its l-3

Well it had been mentioned I had put someone to one vote off lynch, I felt I needed to explain my vote and my method of picking a random vote. I was just being a little defensive was all

Why do you feel the need to be defensive?

[Garmr]

I like reinoe even more for town now.

[Garmr]

geraintm I want your answer by tomorrow

[Garmr]

VOTE: geraintm

I gave you some time even thorough it wasn't a complete day but 14 hours is enough.


I don't like aeros 80 but he could just for the fact his using the phrase wifom wrongly. It's still early game through.

[Garmr]

I don't think he is scummy. The reasons. We're because he was the 5th person to post after me. That was my reason.
I actually saw no reason to Unvote though. Why remove a random vote. I had nowhere else to,place it?

You weren't the last person, you also didn't unvote if you did think it was l-1 and that still doesn't explain why you feel the need to explain yourself if the lynch didn't happen and it shows you have the urge to survive. A townie would of unvoted and not feel the need to explain himself.

VOTE: geraintm

I gave you some time even thorough it wasn't a complete day but 14 hours is enough.


I don't like aeros 80 but he could just for the fact his using the phrase wifom wrongly. It's still early game through.

Really? 14 hours is enough? It's the weekend before Xmas, I am likely a different time zone to you, I have a pair of kids, and you are demanding day one I rush to respond to you? Really??? You are voting for me?

After your last response I would have voted you anyway. Also it's one vote why are so concerned about people voting you when it's extremely early game and wagons are known to change rapidly?

@TheDudeAbides

See my method of questioning got a lot more out of gera than how you would of done it.

Garmr-1 Dude-0

[Garmr]

Because A townie would want to mislynch or a derp hammer.

[Garmr]

Meant to quote 90 not 91

[Garmr]

To be honest silverspawn hasn't done anything to warrant a mafia read or a town read yet. I don't think silverspawn is adjusted to this sites meta yet so we get quirky post like 53 that's not alignment indicative through. Smells of newbie.

Something also feels off about tso this game. I never seen him act like the supporting man cheering on people from the sidelines. I know his not big on cases through so. I might keep watch on him maybe I can find a hidden tell on him.

I also like vincero. He does have a decent point on TDA and vote to match it. Probs town.

Going to risk doing this I'm making a town block.
Only one member so far reinoe

The reason I say this so far is I never ever had scum in my town blocks before Also no one ever follows them even through they never have been wrong -_-.

[Garmr]

Fuck yes kuribo and death to waynegg. Kuriboh there's always scum in townblocks? You missed how there was no scum in my town block in aircraftmafia. Just happy to have yah.

[Garmr]

Garmr-1 Dude-0

I'm not sure why you think there is some sort of competition between us.

But what is it exactly that you think you got out of Gerantim?

More info than what you would of got out of it. If I didn't ask him about it and just voted how do you think he would of reacted personally I think he wouldn't of said anything and it wouldn't have put to much pressure on him.

Reinoe seems town Even through I can't see the thing he put up it's the fact his putting in work. Shows his thinking and that's town for him.

Where are you getting you meta on Reinoe from?

Because I looked at this game,
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=58773
and I think it doesn't jive with your idea of his meta.

I feel like his trying to improve his town game and if he was scum he would end up falling flat on his face.

[Garmr]

More info than what you would of got out of it. If I didn't ask him about it and just voted how do you think he would of reacted personally I think he wouldn't of said anything and it wouldn't have put to much pressure on him.

This is a non-answer.

This is you failing to admit that my techniques are great for getting info. Also what did you expect for that question.

So what is your scum meta of him?

I haven't had to much experience with him but from what I have and the quick checks in the past he plays scum badly.

[Garmr]

I don't know what he would have done.

You seem to think that you got something out of the exchange. I want to know what.

I got the fact he didn't care if silverspoon was lynched and that he was concerned if someone else hammered it would lead back to him. That shows he cares about survivability. Also by holding my vote off then using it latter by saying he didn't have enough time he got frustrated with the vote on him reinforces that his afraid to get lynched.

[Garmr]

There is also a lot of flailing in his posts.

[Garmr]

I haven't had to much experience with him but from what I have and the quick checks in the past he plays scum badly.

So you don't think that he would try to improve his scum game then?

Where does your town meta of him come from?

I do think he would but I don't think he has it in him just yet. So in short he has to find his flaws in his scum game.

Also where they come from ongoing games I don't want to get banned for talking about.

[Garmr]

I've played with T S O, serra, BP, you and Garmr.
I looked at the Reinoe game that had Reinoe and Aeronaut in it.

I don't recall playing with you.

[Garmr]

I don't know if that post is meant as a subtle hint or if you're simply oblivious.

Not sure at all who you are your at all.

[Garmr]

Are you titus

[Garmr]

Oh Kuribo, just go look at Reinoe's active games where he's flipped and realize that Garmr is lying about his meta read. Then vote him. Once he flips scum, I'll be obv. town. That's a much better idea.

Your going to get banned if you continue. I want to respond really badly to what your purposely leaving out but I don't want to get banned either so lets drop the subject.

[Garmr]

I'm just gonna assume you're waynegg



Which means sheeping you would be stupid

Sorry Wayne

Waynegg fucking waynegg. This slot needs death.

VOTE: TheDudeAbides

[Garmr]

seriously that is the most

opportunistic

jump I have ever seen

sock it to him geraintm

[Garmr]

Well done, you can use the quote function!

Do you know the history between me and waynegg.

[Garmr]

Furthermore, sheeping kuribo's ass would not be acceptable even if this was waynegg - policy lynches out of vindictive spite aren't part of my gameplan, sorry.

If this is waynegg all his going to do all game is try to discredit every fucking post I make. Even if I work fucking 3-4 hours for one post he will say it's garbage and not thought out. He is toxic all he'll do is focus on me all game death tunnel style and he won't give opinions about others. This is typical wayne gg behavior it's already starting. This slot needs to die.

[Garmr]

UNVOTE: tda

VOTE: gera

If I find out you are wayne this votes going back on you and I'll tear you a new asshole. But I still think gera is scum and maybe tso.

[Garmr]

damn caught again

If your scum you will be.

[Garmr]

[Garmr]

Was going to say something about aero but kuriboh taking the stand interested how this turns out.

I am interested in hearing serras opinions.

[Garmr]

Going to be honest if tda is ap his probably town because he votes people for the weirdest reasons and I don't understand his cases so I try to look for if he believes it or not.

[Garmr]

we need more votes on geri.

[Garmr]

@Madonna your calling tso legit?

[Garmr]

And I never said that was my top four. Simply predicting at least one scum among them

Welcome. Whom are your top four scum?

I don't have four right now. I want more from the bottom 25% of posters. I feel like at least one of silverspawn or gera

could

very well be scum, but that's more of a gut feeling. I mean, I kinda know why I think it, but articulating it to others could be more difficult than I'd prefer. Of the two, silver feels more genuine. TDA feels somewhat town to me from our interactions, and I'm not too sure about Garmr right now, but i'm willing to see that play out a bit more. I can't read TSO that well, jury's still out on him. And ever since the first Anti-Hero Mafia, he and I kinda give each other a wide berth. Serra feels a little bit townish, he said something in his post that kinda makes me lean that way.

I wasn't liking Aero initially, but he's a fairly strong town read at the moment based on his interactions with me. jury's still out on Howl, vincero, and BP. I don't like some of vincero's posts but if he's a newbie, that would explain alot of that feeling. Madonna seems fairly earnest to me, but I'm not willing yet to call it a town read. You yourself, reinoe, seem to be actively scumhunting consistently, so I lean town on you.

That's where I am right now, a few more pages of content and I'll break everything down with a kurmometer.

Vote gera then and I promise you don't have to worry about me I'll sort myself out eventually.

[Garmr]

I don't like TSO's RVS. Or 32.

Do people not get geraintm's RVS? Madonna's vote is poor, as is Garmr's accusation of over-explaining. and reinoe's vote in 72 is also not great.

silverspawn is

painting

scumhunting by numbers. He's obviously picked up some standard scumtells and lingo and is trying to apply that. That's increasingly scummy with experience, but as a newb it's basically null.

Garmr's early posts are less interesting than others I've seen from him. Even 52 is boring info, when there was better stuff to look at. The attack on ger irks me, particularly the arbitrary deadline set in 79, and the follow-up vote.

reinoe going for an early dive into silverspawn's meta is actually a bit strange on second thought. Not sure of the scum motivation for choosing his specific meta to look at, but weird.

The Dude's 59 is pretty on-point.

Aeronaut immediately pointing out Garmr's soft is too reckless for scum.

Madonna's 86 pings, as does 110, but then, so did many of her posts last game, so she's probably just null.

TSO's prolonged sidelining is boring.

geraintm is probably town, actually. Reactions like 120 feel legit. kuribo apparently also doesn't get it...

I like the Dude checking up on reinoe's meta loads. I definitely see him as getting the better of garmr in their exchange.

kuribo's 161 is a platitude, except he didn't even bother to check that I'd replaced in. And his posts at dude are rather boring, too.

207 is a terrible vote. I hope it was a joke? (I do enjoy hating on waynegg as much as the next guy.)

Reinoe's self-meta in 218 is bad.

227 is more goodposting by aero. kuribo is probably actually town, in balance, but a bit distracting so far.

Howl's catch-up is fine.

TheDude could be PV? Or maybe Ank?

You disappointed me serra.

[Garmr]

geraintm Is scum and anyone with a town read on them should reconsider what it is to scum hunt.

[Garmr]

I'm afraid your bravado appears false...

So if I acted like tso and provided no cases and just voted then that's what it takes to be town read ok.

[Garmr]

Also don't act like you know me you haven't ever played a game with me before.

[Garmr]

You want to know whats getting to me I'm going to get this off my chest. When I'm fucking hunting scum I get some ****wit blocking my interrogation and then I start getting scum reads because this **** wit blocked my investigation. It irritates to NO FUCKING END. Then his up himself saying shit well i be confirmed town when garmr flips scum well guess what **** wit I'm going to flip town.

I just want to use my one shot and then tomorrow I don't care if I get lynched.

[Garmr]

@grm:

Okay, lets talk about your read then.

ger set up a delayed RVS in 10, which he executed in 31. When people start mentioning that vote, he explains. I don't think his explanation in 37 was out of proportion at all, since it seemed people didn't understand the nature of his delayed RVS.

If you're town, I understand why you might feel TheDude interfered with you questioning gar, but I think his attack is justified. His attack didn't seem like he intended to block your interrogation - do you think it was deliberate?

Whether or not his meta-read is justified, we'll have to wait and see. At this point, it's probably fair to say that you're not scum together, so in that respect he's actually not wrong. If it's PV. I could also see his conviction of his meta-read on you being genuine.

Out of interest, and perhaps to help meta that slot, have you played with PeregrineV? Or Ankamius?

Yes and they both irritate me to some extent because they both tend to think more than they do.

I personally don't believe the interference was justified. But I'm town reading the slot and thats what pisses me off. Also if it's PV he has never ever started a game reading me as town in fact he will 100% of the time push I'm scum. I would prefer if it's ank tbh. Also what are you reading he has no meta read on me his in fact pushing me for having a meta read on reinoe.

I'm just going to note here your not paying attention.

[Garmr]

think they know more*

[Garmr]

@serra
Also I do kinda get what your talking about now so I can see why you think ger could be town but that's also possible as scum. But I don't think town is the case because he was pressured by just a couple of votes on him and I think that's more a sign of scum panicking. He should have enough experience to not be pressured by a few votes as town because he understand the concepts of town blocks and just looking at games he has played.

Also notice he can take the time to defend himself and attack my town block idea but he can't even take time to form a read and push a case that's not right.

[Garmr]

I'm an cop role of sorts so scums def on my wagon jumping at the chance to lynch me.

[Garmr]

So I think it's best to lynch off my wagon because scums on it.

[Garmr]

Also if your wondering why my rage looks faked it's because if I didn't manage it that way I would get banned for good. If I was allowed to say what I was thinking I would make kuribo look like a kitten. Because at the moment I want to cut some of you so badly you bleed to death summon the devil bring you back to life then tie your intestines up and hang you from it so you choke to death then use your blood as lubricant for me and my gf.

That's the least insultive way I can think of to say how I feel.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Tso

This slots scum

[Garmr]

VOTE: garmr

I was town 1 shot hider but putting me at l-1 was a bad choice and I even baited in my iso that I was hiding behind tso. That's a hammer through so lol.

[Garmr]

Your the worst town in history you all deserve the lose

[Garmr]

I'm the only one scum hunting and your all doing fuck all.

[Garmr]

Scum deserve the win your all so bad.

[Garmr]

The reason I soft claimed you fucking idiots was so scum shoot me and I deny the kill while investigation your all fucking idiots.

[Garmr]

Kuribo your known as the king of rage I'll show you the fucking true meaning of fuckign rage

[Garmr]

Also if you want to know the meta on reinoe was legit I just didn't spend much time on it tda is retarded if you follow him your an idiot

[Garmr]

Also I'm good at reading tso and the little tossers mafia for sure.

[Garmr]

Aaaaand blacklisted. I have no respect for people who self hammer. That was stupid.

Do you fucking think I care what you think I dislike you ever since I started this game.

[Garmr]

It's just I had things tough recently.

[Garmr]

What ever should of been obvious I was town.

[Garmr]

If i'm actually trying to hunt scum and others are doing fuck all I except them to be hunted and questioned not people to get in my way and push i'm scum.

[Garmr]

No I'm hiding behind tso because his most likely to flip scum.

[Garmr]

Yes I am I only got your alignment wrong and that's the first time I meet you.

Scum are
tso
geri*
areo

[Garmr]

We'll be going down together tso.

[Garmr]

Well, your vote is on me because you said you can read me, and I seem to have proved that wrong... can you explain why you're voting me again?

Actually my votes on myself and even if you don't get lynched today and I live I'll be hiding behind you tonight. Also you haven't had a scum game with me but ever since our first game I been able to town read you every time since then and this is drastically different. Your totally different your scum.

[Garmr]

If you're trying to hide behind someone why is your vote still on yourself?

Because just a couple of mins ago I thought I lynched myself.

[Garmr]

Show the world your scum.

[Garmr]

What result do you expect to get which will prove this?

Hiders die if they hide behind scum. I already knew I wouldn't make it to day 2 because I feel 100% your scum.

[Garmr]

Unvote

Garmr, when does your action resolve?

Nightphase.

[Garmr]

TSO feels better to me after that meltdown, but Garmr, are you willing to explain yourself, or are you just ragequitting? because if you aren't quitting, you're gonna need to explain yourself. where the fuck did that meltdown come from,and how was it even remotely fucking warranted?

It should be obvious what triggered my breakdown (the feeling that I was getting punished for actually trying to hunt scum/alchol).

@Silverspoon
Probably have to change this up soon before it becomes a trust tell but I never ever fakeclaimed anything other than vanilla townie as scum in any of my past games I hate fake claiming something I can't prove.

@gerra feel free to say you don't trust my reads but I have always nabbed at least one scum as town in every game except one on day 1.


UNVOTE: garmr

[Garmr]

what ever

[Garmr]

merry Christmas well late Christmas.

[Garmr]

If tso is town by some Christmas miracle scum could shoot tso and i'll end up dying to that's a two for one special shoot one person get a town power role free.

[Garmr]

Also serra is most likely town His reaction to me seemed genuine and not faked like areos.

[Garmr]

ac fan looks scummy I feel like his worried about how other perceive him.

[Garmr]

Garmr do you think everyone is scum?

are you ignoring my town reads on reinoe,serra,Tda?

[Garmr]

Also lets add in the fact ac has strong scum reads on me and reinoe and when he unvotes he doesn't shift his vote to reinoe or one of his minor scum reads.

VOTE: Ac1fan

[Garmr]

@TSO: I actually don't feel particularly strongly about you either way, but there were some early posts that pinged, and I didn't like your comments from the sidelines for much of the game so far. For what it's worth, I think you're taking the fact that Garmr is gonna target you fairly well. More than anything, I think your slot, along with Madonna and potentially kuribo, is the one I'll be least likely to develop a strong read on any time soon, so sorting you is a decent use of Garmr's hide.

I think 454 reads genuine, and don't really see either of Garmr's points against AC.

He gives no reasoning as to why reinoe would be a major scum read. In fact his pushing silver more than he is reinoe or me and his only got slight scum feels for him. He did give a limited amount of reasoning on me But I felt he had a much stronger scum pushes on silver. So what I'm wondering is why he was pushing a minor scum read over his two major ones.

[Garmr]

To be honest silverspawn hasn't done anything to warrant a mafia read or a town read yet. I don't think silverspawn is adjusted to this sites meta yet so we get quirky post like 53 that's not alignment indicative through. Smells of newbie.

Something also feels off about tso this game. I never seen him act like the supporting man cheering on people from the sidelines. I know his not big on cases through so. I might keep watch on him maybe I can find a

hidden

tell on him.

I also like vincero. He does have a decent point on TDA and vote to match it. Probs town.

Going to risk doing this I'm making a town block.
Only one member so far reinoe

The reason I say this so far is I never ever had scum in my town blocks before Also no one ever follows them even through they never have been wrong -_-.

damn caught again

If your scum you will be.

I been crumbing the hell out of the tso hide for ages.

[Garmr]

It should be noted there is at least one scum on my wagon they are jumping at the chance to lynch me.

[Garmr]

Wish vincero would scum hunt his just putting up a lot of fluff.

[Garmr]

rienoe is coming off as better in the reinoe>sera argument I don't like serras responses to them.

[Garmr]

unvote

thanks for tainting that wagon, you bastards



not touching this with a ten meter cattleprod now. garmr's claim is fucked up ten ways from sunday, but the wagon flat-out reeks

You already unvoted

[Garmr]

Nah I feel that If I hide behind someone it may as well be the most appropriate target. The only way i'll hide behind anyone else is if I lynch tso and I already marked the other person. They(no gender cles here) have been quite the star.

[Garmr]

I pretty much lock tso into his death if I get to hide lol.

[Garmr]

Also if we both survive and I get lynched tomorrow tso becomes confirmed town.

[Garmr]

Also there is no way I will support a reinoe wagon my number one town read I will force a no lynch situation or me getting lynched before reinoe gets lynched.

[Garmr]

Exact science that's the problem you have and it's a obvious flaw with your scum hunting. You assume everyone has your exact standard of what town should do. Everyone is different and depending on there circumstances and whats happening and how much they care about it the way they will play is different. So people aren't always go to play to what you consider optimal mafia all the time I'm just a casual player that looks for fun I don't think my town play through 100% I just go with it what i feel at the time. Also I'm not lying about my hider claim.

I believe my life is worth sorting out tso and I'm quite happy to make him dead and direct the scum kill off of my town reads if he is town.

[Garmr]

I'm a VT this game, TSO, so fuck off with your stupid shit

Complains about my hider claim claims vt narrowing down the other potential town power role to someone else.

[Garmr]

Exact science you would lynch a town power role that sorts out another player and can't be stopped. Are you tso's scum partner? Everything you say today also applies tomorrow except these scenarios.
1.I will be dead and you have a scum guaranteed for next lynch.
2.You have more people post for people to read off me If I am dead
3.You could potential wipe out two subpar town players instead of one(I don't think my plays but you do)
4. Your being anti town if you deny town this information.

[Garmr]

Look at the fear in exact sciences eyes he most be tsos scum buddy.

[Garmr]

are you going to waste everyone's time and push for a lynch that's better lynched tomorrow?

[Garmr]

people keep saying that but i don't know why. if we've found a scum, why not lynch them today?

Because I'm not scum and I want to use my ability once before I die. It's a simple concept i don't know if your pretending not to get it so you can push a lynch on me today in fear of me or your really that basic you can't think that far.

[Garmr]

people keep saying that but i don't know why. if we've found a scum, why not lynch them today?

Because I'm not scum and I want to use my ability once before I die. It's a simple concept i don't know if your pretending not to get it so you can push a lynch on me today in fear of me or your really that basic you can't think that far.

i don't get it because what you're saying i should do requires that i also believe you are town! i don't! i think you're scum! like why the fuck would i be scared of you? you have been playing terribly this game, and if this is indicative of your town play, i'd be surprised if you ever found a scum in your life!
you keep pushing me as a scum, but you've yet to vote me. why would you be so reluctant unless you knew i'm town? you say you can scumhunt? do it bro! who is scum, why are they scum?

I nailed at least one scum a game but i can see how subpar you are.

[Garmr]

you know what I'm declaring my intention to lurk I try to solve the game and I get bashed for scum hunting so you can all fudge yourselfs.

[Garmr]

have you nailed a scum yet this game? no, you haven't. i don't care about your meta. scumhunt now or shut up and get murdered.

How would you fucking know who scum is and isn't Is that a fraudulent slip.

VOTE: exact science

[Garmr]

no Michael you should quit mafia.

[Garmr]

stop throwing a hissy fit Michael it's antitown.

[Garmr]

no Michael you should quit mafia.

are you going to address any of the substance of my posts or are you just going to keep whining?

Depends are you?

[Garmr]

Produce some substance in your post Michael I want a real read on you?

[Garmr]

All you done is attack me all game you haven't even tried to post substance on other players. I have given reasoning for town reads and why a couple of other players may be scum I have caused reactions this game revolves around me. You accuse me of not hunting dude all your doing is hiding behind me and when I flip town you will have no where to hide anymore.

[Garmr]

hahaha, if you can't read me based on all of the content i've provided so far, i don't know what to tell you.

What content science tell me have you even tried looking at other players and tried to figure out if their town or scum or am I just your world.

[Garmr]

i don't do townreads, btw. i scumhunt.

Using town reads to eliminate potential scum suspect makes it easier to scum hunt.

Also your reads on serra has no points as to why he is scum. You offer nothing on it so don't have a smug face michael.

[Garmr]

the interactions that the two of you have had have been very fake feeling. you are buddying each other while still lightly bussing, but without any votes to back it up. also her tone is very off. it feels needlessly melodramatic, which is unhelpful to town and distracts from scumhunting.

I handle my votes different from others and have different pacing from your average scummer. Also this based on a lot of things you can't prove. I am sincere about my feeling my rage is real through. The interactions between me and serra are because we have never played together (that I can remember) but serra has replaced into my slots before so we kinda know each other but don't. That's why serra is interesting. Serra should know I'm town just by the way I'm playing.

I plan to show this game to anyone saying I am off with my tempo.

Can I ask you a question what happens if one of us flips town?

In short your reasoning's are not solid and can crumble very quickly.

Also we were just about to go back to scum hunting and the game was falling back in place but you are the one continuing this no scum hunting environment. Through I guess it partially my fault as well for reacting to you.

[Garmr]

But i'm a town power role atleast let me use my one shot or are you fucking thick.

[Garmr]

well science i hope you get lynched tomorrow because that's what will happen if you lynch me today because I'm flipping town.

Also how you say i never catch scum day 1

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=59680 2 scum

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=37174 1 scum day 1 replaced out before that slot got lynched.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5691755

I got a ban exitension for taking a guess that titus was mafia in this games after I was dead I was right but I said that to titus and she freaked out.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=34898 Had cabd as a scum read someone confirmed him as town but turns out he was scum.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=34361 Nailed the whole scum team. Still lost because town didn't follow my advice after I died.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=34871 I would of been gold if wayne gg didn't come along (I kinda lynched aj becuase she was in my way of getting to wayne gg I geniunly thought she was town.) and kuriboh didn't trick me all my town reads except kuriboh were right and that only left scum and wayne gg and you know who I went for. Could of won this with proper poe.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=33008I was right about regfan here when no one else was and I was going to lynch having fitz day 1 but had a change of heart.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=32209 I had a scum member pinned day 1 town pushed against it cost us that game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=31485

I figured out two scum day 1 got killed still lost.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=31636

MY only failure. Was early on in my career. First game not newbie finished.

So when you say I'm shit and I would never get scum I have a failed only once in my whole town career when it comes to scum reads.

[Garmr]

@ac we all have big egos

Kuribo is a rager. NS think his better than he is,If I'm trying I need to be acknowledged for trying otherwise I get out of hand (a flaw i'm trying to fix.),Aero I don't know.

[Garmr]

Just one question is ok to abuse someone after the game off site or is that bannable? because I want to scream profanities at ns.

[Garmr]

I am chill I'm storing it all for after the game and that's what I been trying to do.

[Garmr]

No i started this because of posts like this

have you nailed a scum yet this game? no, you haven't. i don't care about your meta. scumhunt now or shut up and get murdered.

so are you going to scumhunt, or just OMGUS and get defensive now that i'm applying pressure? like, you apparently know how to scumhunt, so fucking do it, or get lynched and stop wasting everybody's time.

I have been scum hunting and you just been throwing shit.

have you nailed a scum yet this game? no, you haven't. i don't care about your meta. scumhunt now or shut up and get murdered.

How would you fucking know who scum is and isn't Is that a fraudulent slip.

VOTE: exact science

no, we haven't had a flip yet, dumbass. we don't know if anyone has nailed a scum. if you're just going to throw a hissy fit every time someone tells you that you're wrong or an idiot, you should just quit mafia.

Egging me on is a great idea.

I don't like your smug attitude.

[Garmr]

Also if it was because I disagreed with someone I would off went off at everyone here I just go off.

There's two things you never say to garmr.
1.You never say he doesn't scum hunt or his not trying. Because I will always put effort into scum hunting and also if I was scum I would put effort into finding reasons why the other person could be scum. In short I put heart into my games and when people tell me I'm not trying that's when I stop caring as much.

2.Don't belittle my abilities. I'm not incompetent I have a history of getting scum reads right. I just have a problem expressing myself to convince others.

This is what started everything this is the lines that was crossed this game. Just follow those 2 simple rules and you'll have a fun game with garmr.

[Garmr]

@vincreo I wonder why that happened vince.

[Garmr]

ok will have fun after this game ns looking forward to it .

[Garmr]

Pathetic is starting this argument with me science then running away from it.

[Garmr]

I'll stfu if you can stop ns from being a douche.

[Garmr]

nah never mind replace me out If i'm just going to get this shit from that bitch ns all game I don't even feel like playing. I can handle tda and kuribo because they aren't inheritance douches but human beings and your all right tso even through we got heated at times. But fuck michael he can choke on used dildo. I didn't want to replace out because I recently replaced out a game due to anger issues.

MOD

Replace me out I can't stand ns.

[Garmr]

Look I would stay and I was actually getting back into the game and was going to start trying and writing bigger post but then ns started acting like he was the best. Whats the point in trying when people are just going to shit on you for doing so.

[Garmr]

Sigh I'm sorry I been bad this game I admit it. I'm going to try and fix my attitude. I'm sorry Michael for making it personal. Don't worry about the replace If i get lynched I will accept it and learn from it..

@mod

don't worry about the replace unless you want to force replace me I understand.

[Garmr]

After rereading the game and skipping the verbal insults my views have changed a bit.

Town

Reinoe

- is town because he seems to sincere and his trying to sort out everything. He has pretty much avoided the shitstorm. All his post have substance and you get the feel his trying to sort stuff out.

Tda-

TDA is most likely town becuase he seemed to believe his early case on me and can't see any scummy agenda in his writing. It did annoy me he got in the way of my case. On geri but well you have to question motives.

Kuribo-

Is likely town by his rage and quit. From my experience in aircraft mafia with waynegg kuribo as scum would continue raging and enjoying the state of the game. If he was scum he wouldn't mind the direction town was heading because of mislynching me.

ac1983fan

I don't think a scum member would put that much effort into trying to sort out this game in such a toxic environment.

After rereading the game this town read is going to appear weird

TSO-

After rereading his action to me I think his most likely town the way he reacted to my hider claim seemed natural to I don't want to hide behind anymore. His argument with kuribo also feels like a town lean.

Madona-

I liked madonas post 272 and the way madona reacted my claim this slots town.

null
Aero- Aero has been silent while his been active in other places. This could be to the toxic state this game has been in. Then again I have been reading/hearing the trash his being saying about me out of this game. His latter responses have picked up my opinion of him alignment wise.

geri- I had a look at his scum game in mini 747 and it was nothing like this one. He don't usually play like this and I'm just going to assume it's lack of interest.

Serra- Don't know with this slot I can't read it I like some post then dislike the next. Serra is a rollar coaster.

ES/NS- could be scum but they believe in what they are saying. If i disregard the anger he has done anything ns wouldn't as town or scum I know he has a reputation for being head strong (not meaning this as a insult) with his death tunnels and stuff.

Scum

Vince

-Vince has been extremely scummy this game.

BP is vincero's buddy.

Awful quick to try to make accusatory connections isn't it?

But not wrong it seems.

And Reinoe is town.

Not sure why you're tunneling me, trying to start a bandwagon based off of nothing in RVS? And how could you know who is town unless you're scum?

He seems extremely jumpy over such a small push.

post 467]467[/url]
Seems to be saying a whole lot of nothing just to vote the wagon that's picking up steam.

Okay, I've gone over the possibilities of Garmr being/not being a Hider. I've concluded that if we lynch him today, we lose the possibility of learning more about TSO, but we still retain the power to lynch him D2. If both die then it's moot. If TSO survives and Garmr dies, then we lynch TSO D2. If both survive, then we lynch Garmr D2. No matter what, we get either a confirmed scum kill (TSO) or my strongest scumread dies (Garmr). For now, I will UNVOTE: Garmr, on the understanding that he will most likely die either N1 or D2 anyway. With that being said, I will now VOTE: reinoe for his sheeping of the geri wagon when there wasn't anything there to sheep off of.

This shows he understand the concept of why it would be better to keep me alive and how it benefits him by eliminating two of his scum reads.

yet

Yeah never mind, fuck waiting. garmr dies now. VOTE: garnr

This goes against what would benefit him most as town but if he was scum he doesn't have to risk any surprises outing out a scum buddy and if tso is town he is still viable to lynch if I'm dead.

VOTE: vincero

Silverspawns

play has been very odd this game It has a slight scum lean.

[Garmr]

especially you, garmr. just to head off any future confusion, i'm not anyone's alt. i was really confused that i was being called michael!

i'm still not super keen on garmr atm, but i've come around and don't think he's necessarily the best lynch for today. i'd much rather kill serra, because based on the interactions they had a while back, i think that at least one of them is scum.

Sorry again. I called you Michael because I thought you were "not science" Going to have to appoligise to him as well.

I decided that I'll hide behind one of my scum reads or serra a null read if I live and they aren't lynched.

[Garmr]

1.I seen a townie do what tda did in my last game 2birds1stone tried to make accusation tells with everyone early game he flipped town. If he was scum reading both of you TDA I can see his the sort of player to association tells with out much info based on his reads. Players seem to be doing this recently even exact science did this between me and serra. Something null comes off as a omgus push.

2. I hear that alot but what it's more a opinion than a point to say to

Garmr hasn't been scumhunting, he's been throwing his ego around and chasing after shadows that don't exist.

That's your opinion it doesn't mean that's what I'm actually doing. Through I will admit my effort did drop when the environment was toxic.

If thats not the post you mean retype it in rainbow letters.

3.That's not a good enough reason I could see that as easily as opportunistic jump and if what you were saying was true then now I'm trying to hunt better you would probably move your vote off if you were town. But because my scum read was you you keeped it on.

Now the anger is kinda gone and pressure is on you. You can't hide anymore so your activity has picked up.

[Garmr]

1.I seen a townie do what tda did in my last game 2birds1stone tried to make accusation tells with everyone early game he flipped town. If he was scum reading both of you TDA I can see his the sort of player to association tells with out much info based on his reads. Players seem to be doing this recently even exact science did this between me and serra. Something null comes off as a omgus push.

Yet more meta nonsense. How about you stop trying to pull that bull and use your brain.

That's not really an appropriate anwser.

2. I hear that alot but what it's more a opinion than a point to say to

Garmr hasn't been scumhunting, he's been throwing his ego around and chasing after shadows that don't exist.

That's your opinion it doesn't mean that's what I'm actually doing. Through I will admit my effort did drop when the environment was toxic.

If thats not the post you mean retype it in rainbow letters.

The difference between you and me is that while you're pulling controversial claims and pushing cases that don't exist amid meta arguments and freakouts, I'm responding to my critics and making logical connections while calling out bullshit as I see it.

Then what was your reason for saying I didn't address you then. Your answer doesn't even match up to the question. If your going to shout I'm ignoring you at least give me a question. Instead you take out a paintbrush cover it in shit then try to paint me with it.

3.That's not a good enough reason I could see that as easily as opportunistic jump and if what you were saying was true then now I'm trying to hunt better you would probably move your vote off if you were town. But because my scum read was you you keeped it on.

Now the anger is kinda gone and pressure is on you. You can't hide anymore so your activity has picked up.

Hah, opportunistic? Need I remind you that my vote was on you until I decided to give you a stay of execution? Returning my vote to a person who is toxic to the scumhunting atmosphere and who also happens to be my top scumread who I was only not voting in the first place because of a unique set of circumstances is apparently scummy? I don't think so. Don't think I don't notice you trying to associate my vote placement with my alignment, which so happens to coincide with saving your skin.

Well from my pov everyone else was pushing hard and had real reasoning for voting me you provided little to nothing

How dare you accuse me of OMGUS. I could just as easily say that you're OMGUSing me, but that would be just as bullshit as when you accuse it of me. The pressure's only on me because you're flailing and decided to go after me. Arbitrary? Who knows, you haven't actually said anything useful. My vote stays where it is, if you don't die today or tonight then it goes right back on you as soon as D2 starts.

This can lead to a toxic place lets not go there. Also how do you know I haven't said anything useful sure i been caught up in heated debates but I have said my view point and been pretty straight forward. One of your reasons for originally voting me was fluff and at that point I produced way more content than you.

[Garmr]

Also half you response wasn't even answering about my points just mud throwing.

[Garmr]

I just had a brilliant idea Because I'm limited in some respect if another power role uses there ability on me and they get no result (aka no kill or no inspect/track ect) then I'm confirmed town and you also confirm another person as town if i survive. If I don't survive just don't say anything.

[Garmr]

Just chucking ideas out.

[Garmr]

Wait how many people think I'm fake claiming I mean I been pretty much setting up who I would hide behind since the day started and dropped numerous hints before the claim.

[Garmr]

Is standard for a hider role to emphasize that everything that happens to your hiding target happens to you to.

[Garmr]

Because mine does.

[Garmr]

EBWOP: Anyone who cares about your dumb claim (id est me) has taken it into consideration already, so post about something other than your claim, Garmr.

I have read my reads list on page 26 and the defensive wall vincero put up after...... I'm probably going to hide behind silverspawn instead.

But vince would be the best lynch for today.

[Garmr]

Is anyone townreading Madonna either?

I was before he/it/she tried to monopolize me

[Garmr]

More specifically?
At Garmr.

Depends on what the mods using if the modes using natural resolution probably 1st or second in the order because I remember one role trumping it but I'm not sure it will be in this game.

[Garmr]

Blending in is generally a slight scum tell.

General tells are weak and not worth much, because different people play so differently.

I wasn't particularly serious with any of my votes so far, maybe that wasn't clear. I don't really give much credit in standard scum tells in general, I think they're far less useful than meta reads.

@dude:
The content of 110 is quite similar to a post from Profia. I don't find it particularly pro-town, as it's too big picture and not involved with enough specifics. Actually, both 86 and 110 pinged for me, but as I've said, there were posts that pinged to much the same extent in Profia. In balance, she's still null to me.

I'd also be happy to lynch silver, if everyone is so sure about reinoe-town.

How about vincero

[Garmr]

I think it's time for everyone who is townreading Serrapaladin to explain that townread. His ISO is fucking garbage.

Man you're annoying. You've barely posted anything resembling a case on me, except posting weak refutations of some of my points. The worst thing is, if you're town and we end up losing this game, you're just going to blame it on the people you misread for playing so badly. I really need to start screening games before replacing into them...

@Garmr:

I've preferred vince since his catch-up. Before that looked like coasting, but that's not really something I place any weight on during holidays. His thoughts and progression on Garmr's claim looked genuine (as opposed to reinoe, who without understanding the implications of the claim tried to draw the implication from it that my reaction was scummy). I don't see scum going through the analysis of why waiting to lynch Garmr is optimal, but then making an emotional switch to voting him.


@Aero:

Read the game with Madonna I linked.

A lot of people were saying this at the time to be me it seems like he was mimicking them. Look at his responses to me when I scum read him him he doesn't defend himself all he does is mudsling.

Ok, V/LA is over. Here we go.

TSO-

After rereading his action to me I think his most likely town the way he reacted to my hider claim seemed natural to I don't want to hide behind anymore. His argument with kuribo also feels like a town lean.

I find this hard to believe. A few pages ago you were dead set on TSO being scum no-matter-what, and now you're just doing a 360 after rereading?

I was emotional so I decided to clear all my emotions and tried to think how others would see me I decided to reset my views on everyone.

Madona-

I liked madonas post 272 and the way madona reacted my claim this slots town.

What do you like about that post?

At the time it was posted it mimicked my views on tso and I remember liking it, I tend to read like mindness as town. But I don't like the geri and silver spawn comment he made there after rereading it due to assumption he made that they were just bad players seems like he was belittling them.

Aero- Aero has been silent while his been active in other places. This could be to the toxic state this game has been in.

Then again I have been reading/hearing the trash his being saying about me out of this game.

His latter responses have picked up my opinion of him alignment wise.

What are you talking about? I wouldn't talk about anybody out of game?

You think I'm a bad player.

geri- I had a look at his scum game in mini 747 and it was nothing like this one. He don't usually play like this and I'm just going to assume it's lack of interest.

You can't really base someone's meta off of one game. That one game and how it turned out should have no real impact on your opinion of him in this game, it should be a set of games where he acts similar as scum.

I'm not the best at meta but I couldn't find anything where he acts like this so I don't know what to think of this slot

ES/NS- could be scum but they believe in what they are saying. If i disregard the anger he has done anything ns wouldn't as town or scum I know he has a reputation for being head strong (not meaning this as a insult) with his death tunnels and stuff.

It's not Notscience. What do you think of Exakt now that you know that?

So it's not not not not notscience :p But my views haven't really changed much he does seem head strong and he has conviction.

Wait how many people think I'm fake claiming I mean I been pretty much setting up who I would hide behind since the day started and dropped numerous hints before the claim.

I think it's possible you're faking it. Your leadup seemed fabricated, your self hammer seemed (and was) fake, etc. However, it doesn't make sense to lynch you today, because you'll provide valuable information i we keep you until tomorrow regardless of your alignment.

Yep I would rather go with out information as scum I figured If I claimed hider I could use it to eliminate one of my scum reads and guarantee I use the power. Also I deny scum shooting another town power role. No matter what people say I believe claiming is more viable as town and I'm willing to do it again in latter games as hider.

[Garmr]

My beliefs often conflict with other players about whats anti town and whats not because I see benefits for town in what some people call anti town behavior while i see anti town behavior in what people call acceptable. I just want to use this game as a foot note to show my different belief system.

[Garmr]

A lot of people were saying this at the time to be me it seems like he was mimicking them. Look at his responses to me when I scum read him him he doesn't defend himself all he does is mudsling.

Hmm, it seems is thoughts on your claim came later in the sequence of events than I remember, so I guess it's not as strong a point. At least it reflects well on his reading comprehension... Do you think his turnaround to go back to voting you was scummy? You weren't exactly a viable lynch, so I'm not sure it was opportunistic. And, to be fair, you had just spent the better part of 2 pages in a mostly useless shouting match with exakt, who you thought was NS. He doesn't respond to being attacked particularly well, but unfortunately some people just don't respond to being attacked particularly well. I wouldn't call his reactions mudslinging though.

People calling kuribo scum are being stupid.

I feel like making a meter would help sort my thoughts, so at the risk of having to waste more time staving off reinoe:

TOWN
Aero
ACfan
Garmr
kuribo
geraintm
Madonna
vincero
TheDude
TSO
EXAKT
silver
reinoe
SCUM


I'm pretty confident in the first 4-5 from the top, everything else is still a bit of a mess. As much as I'd love to think scum are conspiring to get me lynched, I really can't see more than 2 of EXAKT/silver/reinoe being scum. I'm getting angry flashbacks involving the likes of wisdom/HD, so I may need to start entertaining the idea that reinoe falls into the same category, which would somewhat weaken my read there. I don't exactly agree with Garmr's vincero case, but he's not exactly a townread, so I'd consider lynching him. If Dude is ank or PV, there's nothing he's posted so far I'd be surprised to see from scum.

Meh tbh people probably think i'm safer to hide behind if you pretend to be emotional. If you think he was really wanting my lynch he would push for it more but 2 things
1

Garmr hasn't been scumhunting, he's been throwing his ego around and

chasing after shadows that don't exist.

To me this looks like a slip. His saying I'm chasing shadows that don't exist this implies he knows I'm town as scum wouldn't chase after something that doesn't exist because they would have knowledge over who's town or not. This isn't the wording of someone who is scum reading someone.

2.
He doesn't mention me at all until I vote him and make a case against him. He was keen with just parking his vote there so he didn't have to make a effort to move it or push a case.

[Garmr]

My opinions on people are still basically the same as I said before. Garmr, reinoe, TSO, and TDA are my scumreads. I don't like Garmr's case construction, it looks like he's just latching on to one person and hoping that something sticks. While reinoe does have some good scumhunting posts, it's not particularly difficult to imitate "good scumhunting", and there's other things in his posts like character attacks on serra and, in my opinion, a skosh too hard of a push onto gerai when I've already shown that there wasn't a case to begin with. TSO is a less strong scumread, but in my opinion he's entirely too mired in meta, and he's trying to lynch people based on past impressions rather than the relevant information, which is what's in this game. TDA also relies too much on meta, and his recent post-holiday posts have been all questions some of which have been answered or are trivially answerable, without any actual analysis.

Regarding why I voted reinoe after moving from garmr: At the time, my order was garmr > TSO > reinoe > TDA. Since garmr and TSO were likely nightkill targets, my next highest vote would be on reinoe. There it was placed.

Regarding why I re-voted for garmr: I thought I made this clear, but it is my opinion that having a toxic game environment is

just as bad for scumhunting as if there was a scum player

, and his bursts of rage do nothing to help the town. Call it a policy lynch if you want,

but garmr IS my highest scumread at the moment anyway.

This bolded comes out flat out saying I'm town but produced a toxic environment and may as well be scum. He then goes on to say but his my number 1 scum read. That in itself is contradictory as he is going through a scenario where I am town instead of one where I am scum and how I'm benefiting from this as scum. If he was scum reading me I believe he would of went through a scenario were I was scum. Also the large writing is a indicator of slip of knowledge that I'm town.

[Garmr]

@serra Also at the time vincero voted me I could of become a viable wagon just because of all those raw emotions being thrown around and I could been lynched on emotional thinking alone.

[Garmr]

Right here is garmr misrepping me about as hard as is possible. Can we lynch this scum?

What a weak response

Tell me why a scum member would be chasing shadows?

Also what made you pick scenario of me as town as your main point while you are saying that I'm scum?

[Garmr]

@ reinoe
How about we bargain you don't think vince is town right how about I hide behind serra if you lynch our mutal scum read today?

[Garmr]

@ reinoe
How about we bargain you don't think vince is town right how about I hide behind serra if you lynch our mutal scum read today?

I'm fine with whomever you choose to hide behind.

My scumreads are...

serrapaladin, vincero, geraintm, silverspawn.

If Vince doesn't get lynched today I decided to hide behind him but I believe we'd be better off lynching him. Even through serra is null on my list I can see you getting a lynch off on him with the way people are viewing things right now. But I would prefer a scum read to get lynched over a null read.

[Garmr]

This is the part where everyone shifts there votes over to my scum read and scum gets gets lynched today.

[Garmr]

Vincero - I like most of his posts. Focussing very strongly on game and reino, and building decent cases on them.
I just can't get past the vote on gamr. Even if gamr is their top scum thought, you cannot go back on the post where you say they are much better left till tomorrow because of the extra info that will be gained.
Really dislike that. A lot.

Did you actually read any of his posts are just looking at who he voted and assuming he talked in depth about them? He builds little to no case for reinoe ever hell early on he even posts serra and reinoe are tvt and his pretty much a liar because

serra/reinoe: I think that this could be town v town, except that reinoe is defending a position that I feel is untenable. The geri case is very weak in my opinion, so his insistence on creating a case where there is none raises flags.

I think serra's town, he does good analysis.

TSO

still

insisting on meta analysis instead of the plethora of in-game material to analyze.

416: reinoe doesn't post for 60 posts but his next post is a defensive attack nine minutes after a vote.

I've been questioning reinoe all game

but this is simply a knee-jerk defensive reaction.


reinoe is confusing to me, on the one hand he's backing some unreasonable cases, but on the other hand he will post analysis posts that are flawed but completely understandable from the perspective of someone who genuinely believes a flawed case. Still scumreading, less than garmr.

This is showing that he out right lied about what he was doing he said that he was pushing reinoe early game which he never mentioned as a read once.


Also lets look at his reasoning on me.

garmr putting up lots of fluff.

This is incorrect as I was pushing my point early on and my off subject posts. Most of the fluff was in the rvs stage and my post started getting serious around

garmr trying too hard to make geri a wagon.

Well that's what town does they try to make wagon on scum reads

Went through garmr's ISO and his case on geri is absurd. That's he's tunneling so hard on it (I'm up to 279 right now) is extremely suspicious.

Still better than any case vince has ever made so far.

I don't like geri's 436, his "why should I unvote?" regarding an RVS vote, which still stands despite everything that's happened since then, is questionable. Surely he must have a read stronger than RVS by now.

Cast doubt on geri for similar reasons why I said geri looked scummy.


HIS ENTIRE REASONING FOR SUSPECTING ANYONE IS BAD HIS SCUM READS

TSO, reinoe, garmr, TDA

ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE PUSHING THE HARDEST AND EACH OTHER AT THE TIME. THIS IS JUST LAZY SCUM WHO WANTS TO JUMP ON ANY WAGON HE CAN WITH OUT COMMITMENT ISSUES.


It also makes me believe that exact science didn't actual even read vinceros post because I doubt anyone who would call vincero's post solid and actually read it.

In short vincero is scum as fuck and why can't anyone see this.

[Garmr]

started getting serious around the end of rvs.

[Garmr]

rxgqe14e2c

[Garmr]

Vince seemed to ignore my case on him and refuses to answer my questions which are very basic. This is today's lynch.

[Garmr]

rxgqe14e2c

Btw this is the result of the computer fucking up and slamming the keyboard a couple of times.

[Garmr]

I was trying to see vinces meta but I noticed this is his first game.

@Vince
do you have any previous mafia experience?

[Garmr]

Phone posting...

Right here is garmr misrepping me about as hard as is possible. Can we lynch this scum?

Garmr is scum...

Unfortunately a scumteam would be willing to actually back him in a he-said/she-said situation.

Garmr isn't scum but the scumteam would follow him...

Excuse me? When precisely did I say that garmr isn't scum? Oh right, nowhere. Garmr, reinoe, TSO, possibly TDA scumteam if there's 4.

You keep transitioning from referring to me as scum (With out giving a case) to putting me in scenarios were I am town multiple times as cases to lynch me. Your also ignoring all my posts as I do bring up some solid cases on you and try to discredit me in the one post you do respond to me by throwing mud and changing the subjects instead of my actual content I provided...

[Garmr]

Aero- Aero has been silent while his been active in other places. This could be to the toxic state this game has been in.

Then again I have been reading/hearing the trash his being saying about me out of this game.

His latter responses have picked up my opinion of him alignment wise.

What are you talking about? I wouldn't talk about anybody out of game?

You think I'm a bad player.

If it makes you feel any better, I also consider myself a bad player. Better phrase would have been "experienced" player. I apologize.

I will agree that I'm not that experienced with games in the forum format but it should be noted that my night analysis are second to none which doesn't mean much on this site but when you have 1 min night and day phases it does mean a lot(think Town of Salem but faster.).

[Garmr]

Alright, I'm all caught up.

Made some notes while reading through and have a reads list coming when I'm home from vacation (2nd) so I'll post it up when I've got something more than an iPad to work with.

Until then:

Wait how many people think I'm fake claiming

/hand raise

But that's going to work itself out, right?

It should work itself out. I been contemplating if I should fuck around with scum.

[Garmr]

@serra

Who was that aimed at?

[Garmr]

All of you. But mostly, you're 100% claiming your target before night.

I already declared who I was hiding behind I was thinking of not hiding at all and saving it to see if the scum would shoot my hide target.

[Garmr]

But the fact I mentioned it I assumed people would realize I decided against it.

[Garmr]

If scum didn't shoot my hide target that would mean that the target is scum or they thought they could mislynch me.
If they did shoot it they wanted my head.

It would also give clues to see what scum is thinking.

[Garmr]

The cons were
1. I might not get the shoot because scum might shoot me believing I was fake claiming or I might get lynched
2. then a potential scum might be confirmed town because people would assume I used a shot on that person.

The cons out weigh the positives.

[Garmr]

You don't get the choice of whether to use your night action, Garmr.

Reinoe, you are one of very few people on this site I actively dislike. If you're scum, you're doing well. If you're town, I'm sorry.

I sure do I get to pick a target and I get to choose who to use it on because no one else is in my slot but me. I'm just going to give you a list of 3 players who it might be just cause of that. Besides I don't think I'm the only power role.

[Garmr]

I'd you use it on scum and don't fully claim whom you targeted, I will blacklist you.

I'd use it on scum to if I knew who they were. I'm stirring you up and also looking at your reaction. I already decided it would be silverspawn if i get vince lynched and vince if he doesn't get lynched. Also I mentioned the three thing before and you didn't get agitated what changed now?

[Garmr]

My.reaction is: you're a fucking idiot.

I'm surprised you didn't catch on when I followed events in the same order just different wording and different people. My deduction is you aren't paying that close of attention to some bits of the game.

I skimmed through reinoe case on you some of it was good some bad. But I don't think reinoe would place that much effort into trying to lynch you if he didn't think you were scum. What I found more interesting between the cases were ExS posts

I noticed that exact science just agreed with people who wright big posts and not actually the actual content of the posts themselves
.

I am very comfortable with reinoe as town right now. again, i don't care about meta reads, but reinoe is coming from far too earnest a place to be scum, imo. he also isn't

resorting to meta reads,

which is a major point for him, as far as i'm concerned. reinoe, who are your biggest scumreads right now, and why?

This post, in the GUILDS MAFIA GAME,where you acknowledge being self aware of your play. This means that it'll be generally difficult to try and get any metagame reads off him. Also that game had a lot of themed mechanics that wouldn't translate well to this particular style of game (mini normal).
......
I just finished day one of the GUILDS MAFIA GAME since that's how long silverspawn lasted in the game. I also read the ending scene to see who was the scum in the end.

Silverspawn played scummy as hell that game but always justified it with comments like, "I'm adjusting my meta, your argument is false that my play is scummy because I'm town" and those sorts of things.

Normally I'd point out things that are similar and things that are different but since silver already admitted that he changes his play and is still learning/adjusting there's no point.

Questions for silverspawn...
1)What did you learn about that game?

2)Do you still believe that it's fine to policy lynch lurkers considering that the scum in that game was relatively active?

Haven't followed the other link yet.

He basically just kissed anyone's ass who put a big case down.


So I am dropping that slot to scum.

[Garmr]

I also believe exact science and serra are not scum together. So if exact flips scum serra is most likely town.

[Garmr]

Because we are going to vote scum aka vincero and people should be on that wagon. If I die hiding behind him when we could of lynched him I'll be like told yah so.

[Garmr]

I also believe exact science and serra are not scum together. So if exact flips scum serra is most likely town.

I feel come the end of the game, you'll be able to say you found scum. I also believe you'll have identified every single player In the game as scum by then too.
I admit I am tuning you out, you are spraying so much around the nuggets are lost among the rest

I'm keeping a solid 3 on the main suspect anyone else wouldn't be included also it's my style to push everyone early game unless I got a strong town read. It should be obvious I'm town anyway. Stop trying to devalue my reads because you're sour I pushed you early game and actually read the content which I don't think you are.

[Garmr]

@ garmr 757 - I did go through all his posts. Well, except the first few pages. My read of him is as I said

Then your basically saying you read the avoiding questions changing the subjects and mud throwing as town and didn't read his first big post which if you actually read it is worthless and still read him as pro town with your only problem being you not liking his vote on me. I'm starting to see you trying to push down my opinion as way to compensate for the error of some of yours.

[Garmr]

Vince is probably town, yo. Let's lynch silver instead.

VOTE: silver

Silvers probably town if serras reading him scum -_-

[Garmr]

Garmr might actually need to die today versus tomorrow if he thinks he can play around about who he is targeting and whether or not he is going to use his ability. serra has the right of it, and I think reinoe did too, but there was a issue of understanding the phrasing.

@Garmr:

you are alive because you claimed, and the cost of that is being able to follow up and prove it by a) dying with your target or b) being lynched tomorrow. I am not even sure if that is up for discussion; you have to be cleared somehow, and you dead would be the lovely way to do that. You will either: a) find us scum by hiding, b) clear a townie by hiding, or c) die for fakeclaiming. You can personally know a or b will happen, but look at this from someone else's perspective and realize what we need to do. So, what does all this bullshit mean? It means you better find scum tonight, because scum will probably kill who you confirm town, you are dead to us from a lynch tomorrow because WIFOM, and I do not play WIFOM situations, I just resolve them.

Considering I'm hunting hardest in the game Thought it was obvious I'm town.

[Garmr]

Your play has been abysmal and you're being too arrogant to admit it.

Your play of ignoring everything about reinoe cases is abysmal and your being to arrogant to admit it.

[Garmr]

I didn't copy and paste I typed it all out quickly. Anyway going to avoid this this going to a toxic place.

[Garmr]

Actually you know what I say it in a protown way that will shut up.

Why is vincero town.
I have listed
1.dodging subject,
2.inconsistencies with views,
3.Convenient lynch pool that are very unlikely scum together but he can jump on the other after a lynch.
4.mud slinging
5.opportunistic jumps with votes.
6.Flawed reasoning
7.decline of effort since the start of the game.

You have not shown one point as why is town or disproved any of my points above and that's why I'm annoyed and that's why I satire you and you didn't even notice.

[Garmr]

I don't care enough to convince you.if it looks like Vince is being lynched, Ill probably defend him, but otherwise, you can continue falsely tunnelling.

If you don't give me a proper answer I will vote you. Also I have gave my opinions on others as well so I'm not tunneling as tunneling would be ignoring everything else that has happened in game. Please use terms correctly.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Serra

[Garmr]

Your not worth anything in this game if you ignore everything that's a inconvenience to you.

[Garmr]

Also others have said I have risen at least one good point. So don't act like it's worthless.

[Garmr]

All i asked is mfor one reason he was town or to dispute a point or two you couldn't. It shows you didn't even have reasoning ready and just spat it out.

[Garmr]

You could link me those at the start i don't agree with them through as they don't answer everything. Also you said yourself in post 712 you don't exactly agree with my earliest case (Ive doubled the ammount of points against him) but all those points still lead to vincero still being a null read and you consider lynching him. Vincero has just got worse and worse what changed serra.


Pedit and you were part of that.

[Garmr]

I could have, but I shouldn't have to. The fact that you'd rather go through this argument than check my posts doesn't reflect well on you.

His defense hasn't been incredible (but I wouldn't expect it to be), but I also think much of your analysis is conf bias. Coming out with his claim prematurely is something I wouldn't see him faking as scum for both benefit.

Well tbf you did call him neutral then not town.

His defense isn't good at all even you expect it to be. Also we have had 2 claims before him and neither of those are getting lynched today (me and kuribo) I believe he was just trying to imitate us.

VOTE: vincero

[Garmr]

even if you expect it not to be.

[Garmr]

I have literally nothing to say that I haven't already said. Garmr is continuing to flail and call it scumhunting, and reinoe is continuing to sheep him. Either kill them or me, but this is boring.

These are the words of someone who knows his fucked.

[Garmr]

I am now considering my scumreads on both vincero and serra to be false.

Why vincero has done nothing to prove his town. Serra I can kinda doubt through I see him being both.

[Garmr]

Oh well if he doesn't get lynched I will hide behind him and then I'll die and I'll show you all who was right.

[Garmr]

Also when I die the people pushing against his lynch will have a higher chance of being mafia.

[Garmr]

4 but if you been reading if vincero gets lynched I will hide behind silver and if he doesn't I would hide behind him. I said this numerous times.

[Garmr]

After I said this his content dropped which is another good indicator his scum and giving up so he doesn't produce much information when I hide behind him.

[Garmr]

I'm curious why there is a tso wagon and what makes him scummier than the others.

[Garmr]

Elleheaven is playing catch up,Geri is a emotional skimmer I don't expect much deep thought from this slot and I'm going to look into acfan through I don't think that slot is scum motivated.


Out game thought process of mine aka theroy.

Spoiler:

I kinda categorize people into archtypes

apathetic deep reader-people like tda they also lack the ability to pick up on emotional ques but stick close to the facts an d have some pretty good influence sometimes.

Emotional deep readers- put emotions into their reads are likely to get paranoid through they can pick up on emotional ques and figure stuff out faster-I am in this category and I think reinoe to.

emotional skimmers- easy to manipulate can throw games by missing vital things and the only positive I can think of is they are the votes that are good indicators of who has the most power.

Apathetic skimmers- less easy to manipulate but don't pick up on emotional ques and do tend to miss out on the most things things as they tend to go for the most logical steps even through mafia isn't about being logical most the time.

So basically deep readers get caught up in things while skimmers don't get all the information but are the ingredients if you consider deep readers the chefs (to many cooks spoil the brew)

[Garmr]

@Iknal
your predecessor just sheeped big cases with out looking into them. But I just realized he was fresh blood so I'm giving you the chance to change your look in my eyes now.
Dazzle me.

[Garmr]

Also we have 3 days left so I have a feeling that with so many mixed views that we could end up no lynching and gaining no information. So now is the time to push why your wagon is the superior wagon people or shift your vote.

[Garmr]

I got an incestive to stay in this game now I got a two week ban from joining new games for offensive language and leaving.

[Garmr]

instinctive*

[Garmr]

thanks tso I know you always got my back.


pe edit
when our bans are over want to hydra reinoe?

[Garmr]

thanks tso I know you always got my back.


pe edit
when our bans are over want to hydra reinoe?

I think hydra's are a form of cheating so I'm gonna have to pass. But we can join a game and then claim masons together.

for sure.

[Garmr]

I think I learned that mafia and alchol and leauge of legends don't mix. It brings much rage.

[Garmr]

@ madonna
You almost didn't realize you were using satire.

[Garmr]

I *

[Garmr]

Elle want to give us some content pretty please?