Mini 1655: Delicious Mafia (Game Over, Perfect Scum Win!)

[choof]

there are a plethora of things I can do to get this game off on the wrong foot so I'll do this
VOTE: choof

dude's meta sucks

[choof]

i now know exactly what a flashlynch is and i also know how to deal with them without thinking i'm getting hazed
i grow in power

[choof]

also
first

[choof]

there are a plethora of things I can do to get this game off on the wrong foot so I'll do this
VOTE: choof

dude's meta sucks

i now know exactly what a flashlynch is and i also know how to deal with them without thinking i'm getting hazed
i grow in power

also
first

What is this?

these are posts 3, 4, and 5
all three have been posted by a user by the name of choof

[choof]

is that... bill o'reilly and donald trump

[choof]

Dude in the blue shirt needs to lighten up a bit, LOL.

If he were any paler he'd be translucent.

VOTE: Ozgin

He's already lurking.

Where do we see users lurking?

jumpin into rvs being overtly serious, sounds like someone got a role they didn't like
lol owned

[choof]

Dude in the blue shirt needs to lighten up a bit, LOL.

If he were any paler he'd be translucent.

VOTE: Ozgin

He's already lurking.

Where do we see users lurking?

jumpin into rvs being overtly serious, sounds like someone got a role they didn't like
lol owned

Lol owned lol

wolf confirmed

[choof]

i kinda want to throw off the people i've played with by doing something out of character

[choof]

is that... bill o'reilly and donald trump

OMG, I think it is. I didn't even see that the first time. No wonder he was so crabby.

it would explain why both of them aren't a fan of the "mexican" wave.... bad joke

[choof]

VOTE: Boonskiies

didn't think you would be participating in the rvs, thanks for joining the festivities

[choof]

I gotta get a feel for Kop first before I put any votes on him
Kop... a feel.

[choof]

aeronaut you should randomly edit in the count

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down to player's posts

[choof]

actually i have a question(s) because i want to inject some shenanigans into the game as early as possible since i won't be here for the next day or so

why is reading a player's completed games such a prominent tactic on this site, and how do you defeat confirmation bias when it inevitably arises due to reading someone's meta, especially if you didn't play with that person in the games you're reading

i'm asking because on the other sites i play mafia on, we almost never openly talk about re-reading games. would it have something to do with the site being dedicated to the game, so it draws a significant number of unique players?

[choof]

aeronaut you should randomly edit in the count

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down to player's posts

lmfao

[choof]

actually i have a question(s) because i want to inject some shenanigans into the game as early as possible since i won't be here for the next day or so

why is reading a player's completed games such a prominent tactic on this site, and how do you defeat confirmation bias when it inevitably arises due to reading someone's meta, especially if you didn't play with that person in the games you're reading

i'm asking because on the other sites i play mafia on, we almost never openly talk about re-reading games. would it have something to do with the site being dedicated to the game, so it draws a significant number of unique players?

you can read this a purely theory, a newb-town/scum tactic, or a mix of both, but I would like at least one answer to this
the idea is kinda foreign to me; that's why I posted about flashwagons because that concept was totally foreign when I experienced it

[choof]

actually i have a question(s) because i want to inject some shenanigans into the game as early as possible since i won't be here for the next day or so

why is reading a player's completed games such a prominent tactic on this site, and how do you defeat confirmation bias when it inevitably arises due to reading someone's meta, especially if you didn't play with that person in the games you're reading

i'm asking because on the other sites i play mafia on, we almost never openly talk about re-reading games. would it have something to do with the site being dedicated to the game, so it draws a significant number of unique players?

Meta is basically you can get a feel for what they are like when they are town, and when they are scum. If someone is town, they are probably more active and digging, where if they scum, they aren't going to be as high up in activity sense, or digging as much. However I don't like using previous games as a meta to how they are here, in this game.

I know what meta is and why it's used, I'm just curious as to why actively seeking meta on a player you're unsure about it so prominent on this site
my last newbie game that I played in, where I self-hammered, there was a

huge

amount of time where meta discussions were going on and I was just reading it, thinking to myself, "What In Le Actual Hell, Son"

maybe it has to do with the site I primarily play on being so tight-knit; I've been a member there for nearly 10 years now

jesus christ

regardless, one goal of mine is to have such a wonky meta that people are brought to the brink of insanity when they read it

[choof]

Choof, you're a psychopath.

i'm actually flattered, thank you so much

[choof]

Well, I have a confirmed town investigation on myself. Also, I'm a self-tracker so I can tell you if I do anything at night. So if you want to go with the less valuable town role, fine.

My meta of Boonskies says that him voting before L-1 is suspicious. IGMEOY, Boonskies.

Hyperdefensive OMGUS over an RVS vote.

Post-ironic comment made in regards to someone's sarcastic OMGUS over an RVS vote.

[choof]

Well played, Choof. Well played.

Fishing for support in desperation.

Which is it? hyperreactive or post-ironic?

both, ofc

[choof]

rong bips

[choof]

Boonskiies is in this game.

VOTE: Boonskiies

[choof]

On a serious note, choof is probably going to be difficult to read. If we have a Cop, he's not a bad target.

Spoiler: srs

a cop would be wasted on me

Spoiler: not srs

it's only been a few hours and you're already rolehunting, nice.

[choof]

On a serious note, choof is probably going to be difficult to read. If we have a Cop, he's not a bad target.

Spoiler: srs

it's only been a few hours and you're already rolehunting, nice.

Spoiler: not srs

a cop would be wasted on me

[choof]

guess again bucko

[choof]

hint: that was not an accidental double post

[choof]

YO TN I KNEW I REMEMBERED YOU

you sent me a valentine's pm

[choof]

I'm definitely getting a point for my comment. If we can't agree on this negotiations are over.

it seems we have reached an impasse
it's time for a man-to-man game of Rochambeau

[choof]

regardless, one goal of mine is to have such a wonky meta that people are brought to the brink of insanity when they read it

Nah, he's too tryhard.

People are brought to the brink when reading mine, and I'm not obvious about it.

but that's not interesting enough
I leave interspersed breadcrumbs, letting the reader know what they're getting into, so it's totally their fault for continuing to read

[choof]

Well I see choof will be clogging up this game with tons and tons of posts…yay…

haha my bad
to make oddmusic feel better I will not post for 48 hours, even if I'm in danger of being lynched
VOTE: unvote

[choof]

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as someone interested in different languages, this bbcode tag is the bee's knees

[choof]

Here are elusive's patented RQS questions. Only to be answered by town and those who love themselves at least a little bit.

1. Are you town or are you scum or are you a rainbow? Why?
2. In a spoiler link to your favorite song ever. This song represents your soul. No pressure.
3. What are your three favorite letters of the alphabet and why?
5. Choose one player in the game and describe their scum or town meta, this can be yourself.

<3

I said that I wasn't gonna post but I listen to music 24/7 so this post in an exemption

1 - I'm a rainbow because regardless of role rolled, I date gals but also guys
2 -

Spoiler: ecr

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSfNyaXvNwI[/youtube]

3 - "p," "l," and "s," because they're all part of "pls" and also "sleep"
4 - THERE IS NO FOUR
5 - my scum is almost indistinguishable from my town meta, pls test this theory

[choof]

okay I lied, sorry oddmusic

house, have you played with ozgin before

[choof]

VOTE: ozgin

[choof]

going back to sleep is futile so I'm gonna grab some coffee, open my laptop, and do some precursory reads since I think there's enough from some people to do so

[choof]

implying we're still in rvs

[choof]

implying we're not still in rvs

[choof]

okay just kidding wow I started write up some derp reads but I linked this site for like 5 people so maybe we

are

still in rvs

[choof]

psyche why do you "need" people to wagon with you
do you "need" to get out of rvs for some reason
trying to force nature's hand generally doesn't work out very well for those involved

[choof]

I mean, I'm diggin the passive aggressiveness; it sticks out from other player's "willy nilly sugar coated" posts

[choof]

to those that have played with psyche before (aka the white noise posters who have put an rvs post on psyche for being psyche): is he being contrived or is this how he always plays

[choof]

hmm actually due to psyche's sig I'm placing a neutral read on him now

[choof]

it literally does not matter what my role is; I'm always useless
nice dodge btw

[choof]

i'll repeat myself

i can't read

do you have any basis for your "nature's hand" claim?

the day phase is 2 weeks long: assuredly you don't think we'll stay in rvs for 2 weeks
are you upset that no one joined you on your bookitty vote

also, what did I just dodge?

psyche why do you "need" people to wagon with you
do you "need" to get out of rvs for some reason

[choof]

VOTE: bookitty

[choof]

psyche if i sheep your wagons will i get town or scum points from you

[choof]

Getting out of RVS is pro-town. It's pretty easy for scum to hide and mess around in RVS. Wanting to keep us in RVS is scummy.

it's also pretty easy for scum to hide and mess around outside of rvs
it's not as easy as it is in rvs, but it's easy nonetheless

[choof]

That's still not an answer to my question.

vote choof

But no, I don't care if anyone joins me on my bookitty vote.

but now your vote is not on bookitty
I urge people to follow psyche's wagons
VOTE: choof

[choof]

that is an answer
maybe it's not the answer you were looking for (no shit since you put a vote on me)
but an answer is still an answer

Get Ya ParaDigm ShiFtEd

[choof]

No choof, we're not still in RVS. Or at least we'd better not be.

VOTE: choof

Stop trying to pull us back into RVS. That

really

isn't helping town.

pedit: Okay now I just don't know what the hell. Going to leave my vote on choof for the moment.

I never said I wanted to pull back into rvs, nor was I trying
if you look at what happened, I helped pull us out of it, now that we have three votes on someone without random reasons

[choof]

choof-Why are you self voting?

I can answer this in like three different ways, do you want to hear one or all of them

[choof]

However you feel like answering choof, just make it good.

read my meta, nothing I do is good

1 - I asked psyche if I would get town or scum points if I followed his wagon, I intended to hold myself to following him, as seen with the subsequent vote on bookitty. He swapped his vote to me, so I followed suit.

2 - A vt's most powerful tool is their vote. People can be urged to vote one way or another, but it's ultimately that person's decision.

3 - Scum know that I'm green. A self-vote would make it that much easier to get a green (and/or blue) lynched. In the event that I do get lynched, it might be worth looking at the tail end of my lynch to help with the scum hunt.

I have no power-role (or maybe I do, a gentleman never tells), therefore I'm expendable. Dying doesn't bar me from taking a win with town.

[choof]

No choof, we're not still in RVS. Or at least we'd better not be.

VOTE: choof

Stop trying to pull us back into RVS. That

really

isn't helping town.

pedit: Okay now I just don't know what the hell. Going to leave my vote on choof for the moment.

I never said I wanted to pull back into rvs, nor was I trying
if you look at what happened, I helped pull us out of it, now that we have three votes on someone without random reasons

So you're saying you wanted three people to vote you? Okay now I really don't know what the hell.

no I'm saying that getting out of RVS was intended and that's shown by the non-random votes that are on me at the moment

[choof]

choof is being strange

subjective

[choof]

silverwolf if that answer isn't good enough, just say so and I won't defend a lynch

[choof]

look
i don't want to mislynch anyone just because they have this weird belief that it's best for them to die

it's not "best," how the fuck did you get that from my post
all I said was that I'm expendable

[choof]

ded thred

[choof]

Listen choof-I don't think that you are scum but I see no reason why you are doing anything regarding claiming or self voting. That is profoundly anti-town.

I'm not going to touch on softclaiming and I'd rather that people didn't touch on it either; any and all questions towards me about me softclaiming will be ignored.

but why is self-voting "profoundly anti-town?" by now it should be obvious why I'm doing it.

Please just get it together and scum hunt.

I think I've gotten enough out of this, VOTE: unvote

I'm not going to try to lynch you right now.

Why not?

Do you have any reads?

oddmusic is green, there's very little doubt about this. his pedit in 175 shows a bit of trepidation, he didn't want to get involved and his unvote in 192 feels a lot like an antsy townie.

I have a neutral read on psyche

you didn't respond to 183, I don't even think you read it because you started this post off with "I see no reasons"
I just gave you 3 reasons
respond to those how you will and I'll move my vote. maybe.

[choof]

correction: willing to put a slight green on psyche

[choof]

UNVOTE: choof

I don't see scum playing like this, even strange scum. I don't have a clue what choof thinks they're doing but it doesn't look scum.

I see scum behind it personally. Do something so ludicrous that people believe its not possible for you to be scum, and you can push any agenda safely.

you think so?

[choof]

got some stuff to do around the house

[choof]

I didn't say you're guaranteed scummy, I just said it can come from scum and doesn't disqualify you as scum from my point of view.

I know what you said, I was just asking if that's what you thought

[choof]

UNVOTE: choof

I don't see scum playing like this, even strange scum. I don't have a clue what choof thinks they're doing but it doesn't look scum.

I see scum behind it personally. Do something so ludicrous that people believe its not possible for you to be scum, and you can push any agenda safely.

Maybe. But either way, I'm not going to get a read on choof right now. The one thing I'm going to have to force myself to do is keep reading what he says. If he's scum, and he is hiding behind his own inane ravings, then the only way to catch him at it is going to be to keep a close eye on him.

also try making yourself look less green, I would hate for you to get killed n1

[choof]

oddmusic is green, there's very little doubt about this. his pedit in 175 shows a bit of trepidation, he didn't want to get involved and his unvote in 192 feels a lot like an antsy townie.

Well I am absolutely green, no question about it. But what does "antsy townie" mean. Is there even such a thing?

yeah, definitely. imo, it seemed like you read the interaction between psyche and I and thought to yourself "yeah fuck this, I don't want to be a reason why a crazy townie gets lynched"

I have a neutral read on psyche

Do you have a read on Silverwolf?

I'm waiting for her to respond to the points I made, she blatantly dodged them and I'd like her thoughts before I put a public read on her.

[choof]

I'll do something in 5 minutes

[choof]

Listen choof-I don't think that you are scum but I see no reason why you are doing anything regarding claiming or self voting. That is profoundly anti-town.

I'm not going to touch on softclaiming and I'd rather that people didn't touch on it either; any and all questions towards me about me softclaiming will be ignored.

but why is self-voting "profoundly anti-town?" by now it should be obvious why I'm doing it.

Because it's a huge distraction to the game and is confusing to people-oddmusic is a good example, it interferes with scumhunting.

you don't think self-voting and getting reactions from people is scumhunting? forced emotions are generally indicative of scum, are they not? you have to put effort into making a forced emotion seem real. if you don't, it bites you in the ass.

I'm not going to try to lynch you right now.

Why not?

Because I don't think you are scum.

why not?

Do you have any reads?

oddmusic is green, there's very little doubt about this. his pedit in 175 shows a bit of trepidation, he didn't want to get involved and his unvote in 192 feels a lot like an antsy townie.

I have a neutral read on psyche

Why can't that be newbie scum being nervous?

it can be, but I honestly do not think that's the case. his reaction seems genuine to me.

you didn't respond to 183, I don't even think you read it because you started this post off with "I see no reasons"
I just gave you 3 reasons
respond to those how you will and I'll move my vote. maybe.

You already unvoted so not sure why you even had to say this last part and yes I read it and responded to it in the post of mine you quoted. I don't agree with it or your reasons for doing so. But let me break it down for you. My answers to your below quote are in bold.

that was a slip, should have said something like "respond to those how you will and I'll either put a vote back on me or vote for someone else"

However you feel like answering choof, just make it good.

I see no reason for this regardless of what you said but o.k.

I did this because implying one thing and then not doing that thing would be dishonest

Real or not, this is hinting at a role and is anti-town and you need to stop.

I'm not responding to this.

This is good if you actually think you are getting lynched. I seriously doubt you would be off the wagon forming on you but yes, this is correct regarding scum jumping on a wagon so o.k.

A tactic works differently on different people. Had the events of my self-vote panned out differently, I wouldn't have made this point.

Stop with this. While townies shouldn't be as worried about dying as PR's, even suggesting this is more helpful to scum than town even if you are WIFOMing it.

Not responding to this one either.

[choof]

ah shit, I accidentally deleted a part

Real or not, this is hinting at a role and is anti-town and you need to stop.

I'm not responding to this.

deleted the tail end of this, it should have been

Real or not, this is hinting at a role and is anti-town and you need to stop.

I'm not responding to this. However, I will ask that you think outside the box.

[choof]

okay
now that that's over
VOTE: tn5421

[choof]

I think a tn5421 would be our best course of action now, his first post in the thread outside of rvs was a dissenting opinion with oddmusic, after oddmusic unvoted
I think there may be scum there, but regardless of role, tn is worth putting pressure on

[choof]

got some d3 to play, seiya in a bit

[choof]

why tho

[choof]

lmao

[choof]

Very Good Reasoning For A Vote On Someone Who Doesnt Have A Self Vote Anymore

[choof]

Ribbit are you a memer

[choof]

I'm just gonna chalk that up to scum that wasnt here in time to help push a lynch on a softclaim so tn whenever you post reads, please give some extra thoughts on why ribblet is scum

[choof]

Ribblet Mad

[choof]

says who?

[choof]

not a rhetorical question, bucko, I see you online

[choof]

VOTE: choof
push a case on me
when I flip blue, I hope riblet gets a train ran on him tomorrow

[choof]

hey, if riblet wants to policy lynch a blue then be my guest dude

[choof]

pedit: That being said.

CHOOF: Stop self voting!

nah, riblet is correct, I deserve to be lynched for my actions

[choof]

also, the color is green
maybe i should vote you again

does mafiascum not call power roles "blue"

[choof]

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz ... p?t=141216

the site I play on, any pro-town power role is called "blue"

[choof]

okay so you're claiming a power role
cringe

idk, am I? any questions directed to me will be deflected to riblet

be back in a few days

[choof]

Maybe not, but you just admitted in 230 that you didn't actually care if choof was town or scum, you just wanted him lynched for the self-vote.

because I don't care if he is town or scum, but I still don't think he is town. I won't know for sure until he flips but if he flips town I certainly won't shed a tear for him.

your partners will shed a tear for you though

[choof]

oh goddamnit, fine
read the post-game thread I linked and you'll know exactly what I'm doing, or at least what I was trying to do

that's all I'm gonna say

VOTE: riblet

[choof]

yet again I've proven to myself that I'm still insufferably bad at this game in the form that it's presented on this site

[choof]

and by read, all you have to do is read the first page

[choof]

choof, relax
you're fine

I've played three games and in each game my playstyle doesn't mesh well with mafiascum's collective meta

[choof]

we already have a scum pinged out

[choof]

no i don't care what he actually is. but I THINK he is scum.

I totes don't care that you are voting me for not caring. and no i am not a SK either. I am town but you don't really care as now you are just trying to policy lynch me for trying to policy lynch my top scum read. sort if funny if you ask me

if you're trying to policy lynch a top scum read then you're doing a super fucking awful job of building a case

because I don't care if he is town or scum, but I still don't think he is town. I won't know for sure until he flips but if he flips town I certainly won't shed a tear for him.

choof you aren't doing anything wrong i think

100% disagree with this. I can point to at least 2 examples of where he has "done something wrong"

he asked clarification on something I said, he wanted to know who said it. I was the one who said it. It's my personal opinion and that is what i am acting on. I don't need somebody else's opinion to justify my actions, I act for myself cause i'm riblet baby!!

like okay dude, I get that you're an alt and you're doing some (garbage as fuck) attempts at shuffling your meta but

goddamn these posts are awful

"I won't be upset by a mislynch"
"I can point to at least *arbitrary number* examples of something he's done wrong...

but I'm not actually going to post even one

"
"I act for myself"

I mean, sure, the shit that I was doing was crazy and bad but at least I was prodding for reactions; I moved a vote from myself to tn in order to get pressure from them but for some reason you wanted to come back to me

[choof]

if you're prodding for reactions and expecting nothing but "wow u're dumb" then Congratulations, You've Won

[choof]

[choof]

will respond to and only to a case on me, from riblet
hope it's not contrived as fuck !!

[choof]

1. Is bad because it looks like you are trying to get on his good side. If you were town you wouldn't care about how you were perceived, this shows you do care which is more of a scum trait to me
2. Is self explanatory.

1 - was not trying to get on his good side; if you thought threatening to detriment the game overall by not contributing then I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about
2 - obviously not because this, I believe, is the 3rd or 4th time I'm asking you to elaborate on why my self-vote was/is scummy

[choof]

VOTE: ozgin

[choof]

1. I don't believe you
2. It's scummy because the point of a vote is to pressure somebody you think is scum or to lynch somebody who you think is scum. People aren't supposed to vote people they think or know is town. You self voted and that means you aren't town.

Its fairly simple and its one of the first n00b mistakes I ever made, and I got lynched. When I asked my mentor why that was BSD, he explained basically what I just did. So now when I see people do what I did, I make sure they get the same treatment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

[choof]

You self voted and that means you aren't town.

basically what I got out of your "case" or whatever the fuck you were intending is that "IT HABBEDNED TO ME SO IT MUST ALWAYS BE THE SAME"

[choof]

so at this point, I don't think you're scum, I just think you're a fucking idiot

[choof]

scumhunting via logical fallacies Good Job Hunting The Bad Guys Bub

[choof]

okay, you're probably not an idiot, but your play is, and the reasoning behind your push on me is

[choof]

2. It's scummy because the point of a vote is to pressure somebody you think is scum or to lynch somebody who you think is scum. People aren't supposed to vote people they think or know is town. You self voted and that means you aren't town.

Putting this in my ISO. Awesome point. I don't think choof is scum or you are but this is a great point to explaining to others why you don't self-vote and when this game is over, I want to use it in my next newbie I IC if applicable.

uh.. ???

[choof]

you know what, whatever, I'm not even going to bring up my self-vote anymore

[choof]

someone link me a seminal game here on mafiascum so I can emulate someone's really boring, but Correct, meta

[choof]

Playing by the rules is boring. If there's a list of things to do, and things not to do, at some point it stops being a game and starts to be acting. You have to fit into certain "correct" mindsets; that's not fun at all. Mafia is a game about logic, but it's also a game about personal interaction. When you put constraints on what a person can do in regards to logic, that inhibits the personal interaction.

[choof]

I wish people would spend less time evaluating whether someone's play is bad or not and just focus on finding scum.

Riblet was correct, my self-vote(s) are inherently wrong and I should be lynched above everyone else.

[choof]

Lynch me tomorrow then. VOTE: House

[choof]

Your ass needs to be turbolynched tomorrow.

if you flip green

[choof]

d

confirmation bias: he's had it happen to him before and there's no possible way for it to be any different now

[choof]

okay, you're probably not an idiot, but your play is, and the reasoning behind your push on me is

Oh my play is bad? You lost the right to criticize anyone the moment you self voted.

I'm truly sorry and if my play offended you in anyway I will replace out.

[choof]

yeah I'm done, I fucked this game up
requesting replacement

[choof]

fine, just lynch me and get it over with
VOTE: choof