In post 498, Skold wrote:welcome. given the state of things you're probably best sheeping me.
Okay - what are your reads, I'll sheep them immediately!
In post 498, Skold wrote:welcome. given the state of things you're probably best sheeping me.
In post 503, Jingle wrote:Hi Thor. I'd do the traditional attempt to lynch you for lols but it's probably MYLO with a vig. Skold is probs scum, but I've been too lazy to actually post a case. Scissors is claimed vig and Sland is claimed non-specific investigative, so they're probs town.
In post 503, Jingle wrote:That brings the lynch pool to you, me, Skold, Wrong Song, Formerfish, and Archmage Ludicrous.
In post 503, Jingle wrote: I think you're one of the more likely scum out of that bunch, but there hasn't been much in the way of alignment indicative content, so...
In post 503, Jingle wrote:Archmage is a pretty recent townread, in that he actually appears to want to solve things.
In post 503, Jingle wrote:Anything specific you care to know?
In post 505, Skold wrote:Wolf head is getting tired of this town's Smurf. Wolf head is getting tired of Smurfy cases being taken as fact.
In post 506, Jingle wrote:1. Ehhh. Two replacements, I can be forgiven. Switch you and radicalmadman in all those lists then.
2. Slandaar, and yes. Everyone other than you guys claimed VT.
3. He claims his results are null, but the manner in which he went about massclaim was pretty town (He softed an action before anyone claimed) and I'm more than willing to see what comes tomorrow. Added to the fact that Doc/Vig is pretty weak for town... I think him being town is more likely.
4. Yeah. Sorry bout that.
5. Either he's town who is counting on you to shoot scum tonight or he's scum who's seen the writing in the sand and gave up on fighting. I see a Smurfton of bad posts from him, so I'm leaning towards the latter.
In post 507, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:It's been a massclaim. Everyone claimed vanilla except Scissor and Slandaar. Scissor is/was vig. You should know that.
In post 507, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:Slandaar claimed mysterious other power role, but they claimed last, so it's a meta-clear. I guess. I'm uncertain on it, but I'll buy it.
In post 507, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:but he's the second closest we have to confirmed town—first place going to you.
In post 507, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:In post 504, Thor665 wrote:4. Have you been a lurksack this game?
I know that you aren't askingmethis question, but I didn't contribute much early game.
In post 508, Slandaar wrote:Come on Thorsie read the thread. Let me know when you have come to a conclusion about who is scum.
In post 510, Slandaar wrote:I am aware which is exactly why I told you to read the thread Thorsie worsie. I do like the case on the wolf head dude - it was brilliantly written by a very wise fellow.
In post 510, Slandaar wrote:Unfortunately I don't know what you mean by Anti-scum so that will have to be left unanswered.
In post 510, Slandaar wrote:My thoughts on who are scum can be found by reading the thread which you should do; it's quite a short read or at least read today's posting.
In post 513, Slandaar wrote:Look, Thorella, the case is beautifully written within this days posting. Maybe you should go and read said posting to find what you are looking for.
In post 513, Slandaar wrote:I don't know who Anti is? Jingle?
In post 513, Slandaar wrote:I deem that today's posting is important so you should go and read it.
In post 515, Slandaar wrote:Well, I would argue not, I think had I pushed to lynch Skold he would be lynched by now but I slowed the game a little to try and get others to post. Unfortunately during this time 2 players vanished which led us to this position.
In post 515, Slandaar wrote:It is possible, but I think not. Is he Anti?
In post 515, Slandaar wrote:I assume you know to shoot tonight?
In post 518, Jingle wrote:That he should read the thread, I mean. It's far more useful to get him caught up and start posting relevant information.
In post 518, Jingle wrote:Thor, I've got work shortly, but I'll try to make a cohesive case on Skold tomorrow. Seriously, I'm kinda worried I'm confbiasing at this point because I've held the read since p1.
In post 525, Jingle wrote:Why?
In post 526, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:I don't think Skold is a good lynch, I kind of feel town for him.
In post 526, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:Wrong Song is feeling ill because of low activity and reasoning.
In post 526, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:I'm not sure on Jingle.
In post 526, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:Weak scum on fish.
In post 526, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:I think we lynch the Collatz replacement, and if he's scum, you vig someone else. If he lynches innocent, you kill Skold. There's the possibility that neither of them are scum, but I don't think that's very high.
In post 526, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:the fact that the Collatz replacement is keeping quiet is making me feel more like lynching them—I think they could be waiting for the storm to blow over before posting. I would like to hear from them, anyways.
In post 526, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:In post 509, Thor665 wrote:Why not?
And do you think that's alignment indicative of yourself?
If not - could you explain why you're telling me this? Clearly you're trying to show me something - what is it?
Not really trying to show you something. I guess maybe I was trying to segue into a conversation I've been looking to have?
In post 526, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:I'm not new to the game, but I haven't played anywhere with nearly so established a meta or nearly so good players for a long time. I've never been able to figure out what to do in the early game, only it the late game when there's information. Do you have any tips on that?
In post 529, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:I think that his case on Collatz is a lot more appealing than lynching him. I'm not going to discount that he really has given up hope—he's a new player. I think we can provide the chap some allowance for some misplays. And more to the point, he's at least been doing scumhunting, unlike Wrong Song, Collatz, and fish. They're my current scum team, though there's some room for doubt. fish did a little something some time back, as I recall, but still, dat hammer.
In post 529, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:Yeah. It's totally possible that both are town, and given who's been scumhunting and who hasn't, I think it makes sense for them to both be town.
In post 529, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:I think that with Jingle as my stronger townread, going among Skold, Collatz, Wrong Song, and fish for a good townread, Skold is the best fit.
In post 529, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:Smurf, it's only been twenty-four hours? Feels like longer. I dunno. Active-lurking can be a good way to let suspicion blow over as scum: the town can be fickle, and you can deflect attention without looking scummy by waiting just long enough for people to be looking the other way. Anyways, having been a replacement and not even saying "Hi" rubs me the wrong way. It's like he's waiting for us to stop paying attention. I don't like it, but I will admit to having a confirmation bias on this.
In post 530, Wrong Song wrote:....
Yeah no.
Thor I basically proved that Skold was Smurfing scum because he wasn't hammered, or it could potentially mean that Jingle is scum. The fact that Skold wasn't hammered in LyLo makes him more likely to be scum in my eyes, hence the vote.
In post 530, Wrong Song wrote:I already outlined reasons why I have TAL as town. He hit a pretty strong towntell at the start of D3. Slandaar is pretty town for the way he's approaching the game.
In post 530, Wrong Song wrote:I don't care if you vig me during the night
In post 530, Wrong Song wrote:, but I'd be happier with you vigging either Collatz or Fishie, but for all the Smurfing good in the world vote Skold. He's been ignoring this Smurfing game like wildfire, he knows he's caught, he knows that there's nothing he can do.
In post 530, Wrong Song wrote:Lynch it, it flips scum. You vig in the scumpool the game is won.
In post 533, Wrong Song wrote:I and Jingle were both voting Skold earlier in the day when everyone was active before replacing out.
In post 533, Wrong Song wrote:I don't really have a case on Skold other than PoE.
In post 533, Wrong Song wrote:It might be a terrible shot because I'm town, but at the same time I'm not helping either.
In post 533, Wrong Song wrote:I'm demotivated from the game, I'm mislynch bait. I'm probably the perfect vig shot for those reasons alone, but not because I'm scum.
In post 533, Wrong Song wrote:He's been posting elsewhere on site and is only appearing when he sees his name. That's why I believe he's just caught scum.
In post 533, Wrong Song wrote:If Skold flips scum, I'm highly saying shoot Collatz, but if you rather not listen to me then shoot me because I no longer want to be in this game. (I don't want to be lynched though because then towns Smurfed)
In post 535, Wrong Song wrote:I forgot exactly who brought it up but VCA shows that all of those voting Skold D1 are dead. There was a player in a large game where that same point was brought up against him and he flipped scum.
In post 535, Wrong Song wrote:Lynching me will lose the game if we're in LyLo.
Shooting me will just narrow the scum pool town potentially a lot more.
In post 535, Wrong Song wrote:My thinking atm is we are at 8 alive.
5:3
Lynch Skold flips scum.
5:2
Vig me Flips town.
4:2
Potential NK going through (probably being you or Slandaar at this point)
3:2
Which gives us the game won.
In post 537, Wrong Song wrote:I don't understand why you can tell me that Skold isn't ignoring the game.
A search shows 4/25 of the first page of his posts are elsewhere. That's damnning in itself.
In post 538, Skold wrote:Back after school. Sorry for giving up so easily, really Smurf about doing that.
In post 541, Formerfish wrote:I'll be here tonight after work.
In post 543, Slandaar wrote:Very little of the players in this game have done any scumhunting and I wanted to see they had actually done some.
In post 543, Slandaar wrote:Is Jingle Anti?
In post 543, Slandaar wrote:I think he does not kill MD n1 if he were scum.
In post 543, Slandaar wrote:Fishie.
In post 543, Slandaar wrote:It's like I said, if I wanted to push the lynch through on Skold I am fairly sure I could have. People knowing my case or advancing my case is a different topic.
In post 543, Slandaar wrote:You don't get enough credit for how amusing your posts are Thor
In post 544, Slandaar wrote:In post 195, TellTaleHeart wrote:Vote Count 1,4
Unlynchable[2] Collatz, Formerfish
pisskop[6] Jingle, Skold,BlueBloodedToffee,scissorhandle, Wrong Song,pisskop
Skold [3]mnemonicdevice, Unlynchable, Ponystar17
Ponystar17[1] The Archmage Ludicrous
Not Voting [1]Lalendra
In post 547, Jingle wrote:In post 546, Thor665 wrote:I used to, then somewhere in there I went from being funny to being a dick - I'm still not entirely sure why, because when I was SG I became funny again, magically. I'm pretty sure it's people pressing connotations into my words that aren't there. At least that's my working theory.
Not mutually exclusive. And for the record you're not a dick.
In post 555, Slandaar wrote:A teacher is not needed for them to attempt to scumhunt.
In post 555, Slandaar wrote:
No, you implied it in a backwards kind of way and I wanted clarification, you at no point said Jingle is Anti.
In post 514, Thor665 wrote:In post 513, Slandaar wrote:I don't know who Anti is? Jingle?
Oh, yeah, I do mean Jingle, not Anti. Do you see Jingle scum?
In post 554, Formerfish wrote:I have been having a hard time getting a foothold in this game with everything that has been happening IRL, I think I would have an easier time if I were interacting with people directly. So, have at it Jingly.
In post 556, Slandaar wrote:Alright, why would someone want to kill MD?
In post 556, Slandaar wrote:When I am on a scum committee I generally am the committee. I think with experience and the amount of inexperience others in the game has the likely composition of said committee dictates if he is scum he should be taking lead and not killing MD.
In post 557, Slandaar wrote:He has character.
In post 557, Slandaar wrote:If you had read the rest of the stuff you don't find interesting you would know my thoughts on Wrong Song.
In post 557, Slandaar wrote:I don't know what FF quote you mean.
In post 559, RationalMadman wrote:Slandaar way too defensive without suspecting anyone in return
In post 564, Slandaar wrote:The quote you have used to demonstrate does not say Jingle is Anti. People mix names up daily hence asking for clarification.
In post 564, Slandaar wrote:Eh, but then you have to balance out shooting him over other harder to lynch players. Him not being a PR is also relevant as it means their reasoning couldn't have been too strong if that were the case.
In post 564, Slandaar wrote:Seems bad. I don't think Jingle would believe this.
In post 564, Slandaar wrote:Giving town no info so shoot a possible mislynch? eh no.
In post 564, Slandaar wrote:The reason framing doesn't hold is if MD has no influence in the town then it will never frame his suspects.
In post 564, Slandaar wrote:You never like my answers Thor. You shouldn't expect different here.
In post 564, Slandaar wrote:I explained it to you. I think Jingle doesn't kill MD.
In post 564, Slandaar wrote:I don't need to know his habbits I can deduce that if your team is going to make a bad kill you should step in.
In post 564, Slandaar wrote:
It is much harder to have character as scum than town the exception beings ome players who we will refer to as clowns have it easily as they can post almost what they want at all times, others do not.
I think he has the posting style of someone who does not fit into said clown category therefore the character in his posts is what I believe to be town.
In post 564, Slandaar wrote:Maybe, but I prefer Collatz replacement. [as a lynch today over Wrong Turn]
In post 564, Slandaar wrote:My stance is he is town. That stuff was posted a while ago, in a quote later on I quoted I changed my mind. It is still interesting if you want to view some points against Fish being town.
In post 571, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:Fish hammered day 2 without declaring intent, or giving Unlynchable a chance to claim. It's, well, fishy.
In post 571, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:I think it's very well thought out. Brings in a lot of factors. Collatz was really quite defensive, and the replacement's recklessness isn't endearing me to him.
In post 571, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:Um... Jingle actually didn't do too too much, now that I think of it.
In post 571, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:In post 532, Thor665 wrote:In post 529, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:I think that with Jingle as my stronger townread, going among Skold, Collatz, Wrong Song, and fish for a good townread, Skold is the best fit.
Weren't you just calling Skold townish though? Why not ask me to shoot Wrong Song, or even Fish, both of whom you find scummy?
Shooting Wrong Song or fish would make sense, but as I see it, Skold and Madman can't be scum together because of the way Skold went for Collatz. Skold seeing himself as falling most likely would not try to toss out a teammate instead, I think. He's too fresh a player, and seems a bit too reserved for that. So if we lynch Madman and Madman is scum, we more or less know that Skold is not scum, so we don't shoot him. If we lynch him and he's town, then we can guess with a fairly high degree of certainty that he's scum, since the other town is probably Jingle. But you might be right in shooting Wrong Song if we lynch Madman and Madman is town. I'm highly confident that Madman is scum, but if he isn't, I still would probably suspect Wrong Song more than Skold.
In post 573, Formerfish wrote:Arch, I don't know how many time I have to say this, but BBT thought he had hammered, so intent was implied. Unlynchable posted after a claim was asked for and did not claim. I am going to hammer someone in that situation 9 out of 10 times. Keep trying to make that into something though its cute.
I know that my ripped quote from Arch was taken as a joke, and I half intended it to be. The other half was meant to see how people responded to it because I kinda feel the points he brought up in his post fit him as well.
In post 581, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:I have little to no doubt about Madman.
In post 582, Jingle wrote:I wanna lynch RM cause it's RM.
I'm fairly certain that'd be true if I'd hard townread the slot before he replaced in.
In post 584, RationalMadman wrote:Anyone picking on me is going for an easy lynch. I'm innocent and that is that.
I challenge any investigative role (unless I am the investigative role) to check me go ahead i am not afraid.
In post 585, Skold wrote:My main problem with Fish's case is that, this could be mylo. I guess we could shoot you if he flips town, but you being wrong wouldn't make you scum. We're chancing a lot with that case.
In post 585, Skold wrote:How strong a scum tell are fake town slips? I'll go visit those posts in context for now.
In post 586, Slandaar wrote:I will be around later.
In post 592, Slandaar wrote:In post 565, Thor665 wrote:
I have such confusion about what you are asking for now, and legit don't care - so rephrase if it matters.
The idea, Thor, is to work together not try and argue pointless things which lead to here. I asked you a question and get some nonsense response about how you had already said something which... you hadn't.
In post 592, Slandaar wrote:Look it is really simple. I do not think someone who knows MD kills MD n1.
In post 592, Slandaar wrote:I have approximately zero meta on Jingle, I don't remember him from prior games although I have played with him. If you have more information you should provide it.
In post 592, Slandaar wrote:No I haven't.
And yes I think players forget to do certain things as scum that they would do as town which could be translated to they lose some of their personality.
In post 592, Slandaar wrote:There is nothing in it. His explanation aligns with his posting.
In post 592, Slandaar wrote:In post 539, Thor665 wrote:I'm pretty sure you're noting Slaandarina's case here.
Everyone loves my cases.
He doesn't anymore - of course he was using it in an odd way in the first place
In post 545, Jingle wrote:after I said Skold was likely scum becauseboththe nightkills were people suspecting him
In post 572, Thor665 wrote:I'm highly confident that Madman is scum, but if he isn't, I still would probably suspect Wrong Song more than Skold.
In post 598, Wrong Song wrote:I'll be here later tonight
In post 599, Thor665 wrote:In post 572, Thor665 wrote:I'm highly confident that Madman is scum, but if he isn't, I still would probably suspect Wrong Song more than Skold.
@Slandaar - the issue is this bit.
He asked me to shoot Skold, but then admits that Wrong makes more sense as scum, but that has no connection to a set of raandom 3 Jingle/Mad/Skold. Like, if he thinks 2 of those three are scum he should, beyond all reason, be asking me to shoot amongst the two he thinks are assured scum regardless of Mad's flip.
He didn't.
Does my issue make sense to you now?
In post 609, Formerfish wrote:Am I not allowed to have more than one scum read?
In post 609, Formerfish wrote:I, personally, find the vla over a deadline thing more scummy, combined with reading over Wrongs iso. I do think that Arch is scum, but I feel Wrong is as well.
In post 609, Formerfish wrote:I did not pick up on that from Skold, but the idea makes sense. Do you think that scum would be so brazen to put the idea of shooting one of their own just to block it?
In post 610, Jingle wrote:I know exactly how helpful I'm being.
In post 610, Jingle wrote:Unfortunately, I don't see much content arising here.
In post 610, Jingle wrote:we're not going anywhere without a lynch to push things forward.
In post 610, Jingle wrote:Also, I thought there might be an SK. (Which, tbf, I haven't completely discounted, I just realize that it matters approximately 0%)
In post 612, Skold wrote:First of all, did I actually say ''shoot me, don't lynch me''?
In post 612, Skold wrote:Second, why do you think there to be an RBer in a game with 3 PRs?
In post 613, Slandaar wrote:In post 572, Thor665 wrote:But you might be right in shooting Wrong Song
He also said that prior to saying what you highlighted.
So, eh, I have no issue with it.
In post 613, Slandaar wrote:Also, Anti posted in this game saying he is the backup mod, this was some next level joke or he isn't Jingle? Thorsie are you smoking something you shouldn't be?
In post 614, Slandaar wrote:That was Wrong.
In post 615, Slandaar wrote:Thor read all that.
In post 616, RationalMadman wrote:Do I even know you?
In post 627, RationalMadman wrote:I am being scumread for wrong reasons. I am deeply offended and am going to cry about this.
In post 632, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:In post 631, Thor665 wrote:I would much rather lynch Wrong than shoot Wrong.
I am happy to consider shooting Fish or Skold.
Why?
In post 633, Skold wrote:Since we seem to be calling full scum teams, and it makes sense: Archmage, Madman, WrongSong in that order.
In post 569, TellTaleHeart wrote:Lynch Threshold: 5
Deadline Timer: (expired on 2015-05-05 16:53:21)
In post 638, The Archmage Ludicrous wrote:Thor, how many votes are there on Wrong already?
In post 647, Jingle wrote:Skold [1] Wrong Song
Rational Madman [1] The Archmage Ludicrous
Wrong Song [4] Thor665, Formerfish, Slandaar, Jingle
Slandaar [1] RationalMadman
Archmage Ludicrous [1] Skold
Not Voting [3]
Lynch Threshold: 5
(expired on 2015-05-05 12:40:00)
Unofficial VC. Timer is a few minutes low on purpose.
Hammer before that hits.
In post 644, Jingle wrote:Why though, Thor, is the RM lynch so abhorrent to you?
In post 644, Jingle wrote:You obviously see my point or you wouldn't be trying to WOTC him.
In post 644, Jingle wrote:Also given the worry about Skold telling people to shoot him that you've expressed, why aren't you pushing for him.
In post 644, Jingle wrote:And on the note of thinking there's an SK in addition to you, I don't. I think it's possible that you're an SK depending on the strength of Slandaar's investigative power and the power of the scum team. And it doesn't matter because SK here and town here have the same out: getting rid of the scum team.
In post 764, Jingle wrote:FTR, this wouldn't be the first game where I've played a suboptimal LYLO for the Smurfs and giggles it brought. That dubious honor goes to a newbie where Thor managed to catch me out.