Mini 1674: A Minimalist Text Adventure (Fire's Out)

[Asher Kendrell]

VOTE: Sakura Hana
Welp, have to start somehow. How's everyone doing?

[Asher Kendrell]

VOTE: Asher Kendrell

Does this mean we're married now?

[Asher Kendrell]

inventory. Need to figure out what we have.

[Asher Kendrell]

your friend snuggles up to you.

What kind of a friend are we talking here?

[Asher Kendrell]

That's one way to do things.

[Asher Kendrell]

Something snarky scum would say.

I think that's just how he is.

[Asher Kendrell]

I have played one game before, and it was with BBT.

[Asher Kendrell]

I think that the first day is a bit early to talk about lurking.

[Asher Kendrell]

I'm not a fan of policy lynch. D1 or not.

[Asher Kendrell]

I'm scum?

[Asher Kendrell]

Well at the rate this is going I'd say you don't really like me.

[Asher Kendrell]

Forgive the new guy here, but what's the difference between meta and policy?

[Asher Kendrell]

Forgive the new guy here, but what's the difference between meta and policy?

Meta is using pervious experience with a player to define their alignment.
policy is more of a you want to lynch a player because they'll be a problem and anti-town regardless of alignment so you want to weed em out first.

I don't really like the practice of policy, there's WotO and WotC and so many other options that can be used instead, and also BBT's supposed policy of notty is faulty.

So in both cases, you use previous experience with a certain player to determine how they're going to act/if they're going to be a problem?

[Asher Kendrell]

So...not many reads then?

Pretty much, what else were you expecting?

What, it's been nearly two hours and you don't have everyone completely figured out yet? Gotta pick up the pace.

[Asher Kendrell]

I think scum is voting me.

Discuss.

I don't think there's 5 scum

[Asher Kendrell]

I'm not sure if there's much to post honestly.

[Asher Kendrell]

I was scum in my previous game with BBT yes.

[Asher Kendrell]

Nope.

[Asher Kendrell]

I'm not sure if there's much to post honestly.

Just entertain us with some reads.

I'm up for reads, but I'd rather wait until more people like notscience, Bulge, or Cho have posted just to not be rash.

[Asher Kendrell]

@pieguyn

It's D1, <2hours in. No one knows shit yet and I'm curious to see what you're thinking. Never played with you, have to learn about people somehow.

[Asher Kendrell]

yes, but if you're curious to know about whether or not I'm scum reading you, you should naturally be curious as to *why*.

you ask if I'm scum reading you. I say "yes" and don't explain the reason. you proceed to drop said line of questioning at that point.

This is a good point actually.

For starters, one question is not a line of questioning. You're expecting follow-up. I am curious as to why, doesn't mean I plan on immediately asking it.

[Asher Kendrell]

I am curious as to why, doesn't mean I plan on immediately asking it.

What.
seriously WHAT

Something wrong?

[Asher Kendrell]

Ok i'm literally here sitting wondering why AK would not be interested in knowing why you're being scumread.
Possible Explanations: He's scum and is going for a dismissal, He's newbie and is confused, He's just blatantly ignoring the scumread (why? because he's scum).

I don't think I've been dismissing anything, I think I've currently responded to everything, and I am still confused.

[Asher Kendrell]

VOTE: AsherKendrell

BBT's frustration looks genuine, but I expect to see some actual analysis in coming days

I'd like to know why you think they're genuine.

I can get into a habit of pissing people off.

[Asher Kendrell]

For starters, one question is not a line of questioning. You're expecting follow-up. I am curious as to why, doesn't mean I plan on immediately asking it.

what is the point in deliberately withholding asking the question? why wouldn't it be better to go ahead and have that information put on the table?

what was the intent of your original question if it *wasn't* to sort me? bc I still say if you were wanted to sort me here, you wouldn't just drop this (and yes, one question is a line of questioning).

I don't think I've been dismissing anything, I think I've currently responded to everything, and I am still confused.

strictly speaking, you hadn't addressed my original post 149, but your other post suffices as a response for it. I still want to know exactly what you were hoping to get from knowing if I was scum reading you without knowing what my actual reasoning was.

I think I had 9 messages before you scum read me, so it's not like there's much to go on. Similarly, I don't have much to defend myself with from what I had previously said. So in the end it's a lot of time and a lot of posts.

[Asher Kendrell]

I think I had 9 messages before you scum read me, so it's not like there's much to go on. Similarly, I don't have much to defend myself with from what I had previously said. So in the end it's a lot of time and a lot of posts.

yes, that's exactly the point

there wasn't much to go on. so you didn't stop to think, "huh, this guy is scum reading me based on 9 posts? why exactly would someone be scum reading me here"?

this is even more so the case when you're already suspicious of my scum read on you (as indicated by you bringing it up) - in which case you should specifically want more information on where my scum read on you comes from. it feels like your mindset here is faked

if you didn't see any reason to sort me based on me scum reading you, what was the point in mentioning it?

Confirmation.

[Asher Kendrell]

@pieguyn

It's D1, <2hours in. No one knows shit yet and I'm curious to see what you're thinking. Never played with you, have to learn about people somehow.

and this is also inconsistent with this

you're curious to see what I'm thinking, asked me to confirm *if* I was scum reading you or not, then weren't curious as to why or didn't think you'd learn anything by asking why?

You're trying to predict behavior. And now you basically going in circles.

[Asher Kendrell]

143 - Asher, why does the fact that some people haven't posted yet effect you providing reads on the people who have posted?

I could post reads for 80% or wait a day and do it for 100%.

[Asher Kendrell]

@Post 290

You're not flipping town. On the off-chance that you do, you should work on your town play. It's pretty bad.

Jesus Christ. I don't believe you're this bad at mafia. Like, I just don't.

Probably not. I guess I'm just impatient.

Those are two from the earlier game. Normally I'd think they look eh scummy, but I'm saying I think he's just brash. And I think that some people can look at that and say that he does seem to be snarky scum.

[Asher Kendrell]

I'm not sure he believed he was vigged.

I don't. I don't have any reason to.

[Asher Kendrell]

Hmm, I don't see the link between those posts and what I said here.

Brash and snarky are not the same thing.

They're both good synonyms for irritating.

[Asher Kendrell]

Why is it "rash" to give us what reads you have without waiting for everyone else to post first?

Because I haven't seen what everyone is like nor how they interact with the rest of us. I don't want to jump to conclusions on anyone when I don't feel like anyone has been particularly scummy yet.

[Asher Kendrell]

Because I haven't seen what everyone is like nor how they interact with the rest of us. I don't want to jump to conclusions on anyone when I don't feel like anyone has been particularly scummy yet.

If you don't have any scum reads, why did you say you were going to give reads on everyone when the rest of us had posted? Why not just wait until you do have reads?

Because I can at least give half decent reads once everyone has posted. Before then I think it's pointless.

[Asher Kendrell]

Whoops, screwed up the text, but you get the idea.

[Asher Kendrell]

Everyone has posted now, I think?

Working on a readslist now, if I don't finish it tonight I'll post it first thing in the morning.

[Asher Kendrell]

Spoiler: The Bulge

6 posts, not much to go on, the ns vote was clearly a joke, I'd currently just say

neutral

, could be either

Spoiler: BBT

Likes to push wagons, then calls out others for jumping on wagons. Soren does post a lot of pointless questions, which BBT specifically calls out in 319, but that could just be someone who's talkative. He also tried to get pieguy and sakura to vote me in 153 and 154, without giving them the reason why he thinks I'm scum (113). They definitely had their own reasons, but it seems odd to me that someone who doesn't like others jumping on wagons tried to get more people to vote without giving his reasons. Then again, I could just be salty because it was on me. Either way, I made it clear earlier that I think this is just how he plays, so I'm going with

town

.

Spoiler: BlankFace

Sticking with Soren being town, and backs up his reasoning strongly in 343, but at the same time disagrees with whiteknighting the low-hanging fruit. I think I agree more there that wking someone who appears to be a weaker player seems like a scummy strategy, take out stronger players first while still appearing to be town. Hasn't changed his mind on any decisions yet, so I'm worried he's tunneling or will tunnel too hard as the game goes on. I think I agree with him that Cho is probably an alt, but I don't think that 258 pie is town. In any case, blank is probably

town

.

Spoiler: Soren

Intense hatred for lurkers apparently, which he compensates for by posting fluff. I don't agree with his 359, because soren seems to only post questions, so some have to be pointless and some can still be useful. The amount of fluff isn't helping though, so I don't want to go either way. I'd stick with

neutral

Spoiler: Sakura Hana

Responded to 162, I think she's trying to predict my behavior, same as pieguyn, and it's not helping. 6 posts by bulge which basically said nothing, and she thinks he's scum. I don't know, to me, not enough info to go on. I agree with her scumread on pieguy, and I'm not a huge fan of ns seeming to ignore her, but maybe he missed it. I don't know. I think she likes to have conclusions early like blankface, but she's willing to change them based on new evidence. So probably the most

town

here.

Spoiler: NotScience

Basically all he's said is in 313, not a lot since then. Most of that was one word/sentence responses too, which didn't really help. Agree on the non-scumread on BBT, but I don't know if that's right either. In any case, he missed a lot yesterday so

neutral

Spoiler: NM

Doesn't post a lot, one sentence questions/answers and it seems like he's kind of been forgotten/left to the side. I don't like it, but I've posted about as much as him so I guess that's hypocritical. In any case,

neutral

Spoiler: Cho

90% sure is an alt, fluff posts a lot, and while her vote on ns was just as sarcastic as bulge's, no one has called her out on it? I think. I may have missed it if anyone did but that seems odd to me. Mala is obvtown apparently and again, no one asks questions about it. So to me, either everyone knows what Cho plays like or knows what her main account is and how they play, and so are ignoring what seems to be actions that were called out from other players.

Spoiler: Malakittens

Seemed to get pretty emotional about defending NS, the dayvig was pointless and came out of nowhere, asks me a pointless questions like 137, agreeing with the scum read on pie. So probably

town

or maybe

neutral

Spoiler: RadiantCowbells

Liking the waiting to post more accurate information, don't like the vote on BBT because that's jumping the wagon. Hasn't really commented on the game so much as he has on BBT alone, and seems to be tunneling. Probably

neutral

, unlikely but maybe

scum

Spoiler: Huntress

Expecting behavior again like pieguyn, and I don't like that. Says that posts ping her and explains which ones which is nice. At the end of the day, 4 posts isn't a lot but I'm not a fan so far so

scum

Spoiler: pieguyn

Trying to predict my behavior, also getting emotional about the policy lynch on NS. Maybe it works to expect behavior from an experienced town player, but again, second game here. Tunneled way too hard on my one question, and expected more. Not sure about her scum read on BBT but still tunnels on that too in 420. I think she was trying too hard to tunnel in on me or BBT which I have to agree with ns and blankface is going for the low-hanging fruit. She seems determined to go for someone at least, which seems off. In any case, I think she's the most likely

scum

.

TL;DR:

If I had to pick scum, Huntress/Pieguyn. BlankFace most likely town. I'm liking Sakura more as this goes on.


UNVOTE: Sakura Hana
VOTE: pieguyn

Also I'm going to be off/on for the next two days, so I'm not intentionally ignoring posts/questions.

[Asher Kendrell]

"[Pie] seems determined to go for someone at least, which seems off."

Can you go into more detail about that please.

While the goal is obviously find scum, lynch scum, to me it feels like pieguy is focused more on lynching someone than they are on finding scum. I get that it's still the first day phase, but it seems rushed to me.

[Asher Kendrell]

How do you feel about Cowbell's unvote of BBT? How do you feel about the way that Cho has responded to the questions that NS and I have asked? What about Huntresses 4 posts are giving you scum vibes?

"Spoiler: NotScience
Basically all he's said is in 313, not a lot since then. Most of that was one word/sentence responses too, which didn't really help. Agree on the non-scumread on BBT, but I don't know if that's right either. In any case, he missed a lot yesterday so neutral"

If you have BBT as town, why do you said that you don't know if it's right here?

As far as I know, Cowbell is still on BBT. I think everything Cho has said so far can be boiled down to fluff and "fuck notscience". Once ns started on a line of questioning, Cho voted him. Huntress' only substantial post is defending soren, which kind of came out of the blue. I meant that while I have BBT as town, I can't guarantee I'm right, and therefore am not sure if he's right either.

[Asher Kendrell]

I forgot, youre the leading expert in reading me after all

Its whatever, after this its just another game down you misread me.

You literally only ever bring this up when I'm scumreading you and right.

Is there any proof of that, because if so that's a pretty big tell.

[Asher Kendrell]

Damning evidence indeed. Take him away boys.

[Asher Kendrell]

Damning evidence indeed. Take him away boys.

What is this even in reference to?

It's called a joke in reference notscience's rant.

[Asher Kendrell]

Like I don't mean to belittle either side of the argument but this head-state is no good for analysis if you actually want reliable results.

Agreed.

[Asher Kendrell]

is going nowhere and it's dragging the town down with it.

Huh, i guess that was notty's plan...
So basically the same thing he did in PvZ.

Take a break and step away for today. You're being overly aggressive and it's helping no one.

[Asher Kendrell]

Are you helping with that or making it worse?

[Asher Kendrell]

Expecting behavior as in 348's "Why not just wait until you do have reads?" Is it just a question, yeah, but at the same time it suggests there is some action you thought I should have been doing.

Not sure why I said defending. Huh. Shouldn't write at night I guess.

[Asher Kendrell]

But that's alway---nice try.

[Asher Kendrell]

Take a step back. Both of you.

[Asher Kendrell]

Because if notscience really thought i was scum he would have voted me.
Specially after he decided to carelessly continue pushing me as scum after the reaction test. He obviously had nothing to worry about.

Or he's careless because he's angry because you keep pushing him. This isn't some crazy strategy, this is him getting angry which is a normal reaction.

[Asher Kendrell]

Well honestly I'm kind of with him here.

[Asher Kendrell]

Because if notscience really thought i was scum he would have voted me.
Specially after he decided to carelessly continue pushing me as scum after the reaction test. He obviously had nothing to worry about.

Or he's careless because he's angry because you keep pushing him. This isn't some crazy strategy, this is him getting angry which is a normal reaction.

I do not like this post.

This isn't some game strategy. I think they're being idiots and I'm trying to get them to get up and walk away for now.

[Asher Kendrell]

AK is avoiding commenting on anything not related to notsci-me (like I only see him pop in to post when something between us happens, and then dissapears again)

Like I said yesterday, I couldn't really post much today. Basically everything I did today was fluff, trying to get you two to calm down, or a reply to Huntress once.

[Asher Kendrell]

BlankFace - seems town for the most part. He's questioning things and offering his thoughts all over the game. I see town motivation for doing this, as I think that it would be harder for scum to insert themselves over the recently fisticuff.

BlueBloodedToffee - his policy lynch was okay, but he quickly dropped that when a few disagreed with it. His push on Ash was weak, and the push on me is weak. There was a period where he was commenting back on past posts which I saw some town motivation for doing so. Slight scum read.

Cho - she's trying a playstyle out here which is hard to read. But I agree with some of her serious posts offering her reads. But they're not well explained. Null for now.

Huntress - I can see why he scum reads me, but that's all he's done. Hard to not scum read him since there's a natural inclination for me to scum read people that don't post a lot. However I need to see more posts from him to come up with a read. So null for now.

Malakittens - mostly fluff, null.

Not_Mafia - he does his usual stuff, one liners and some questions. For the most part I will think town (since I played with him before) until he slips or does something significantly scummy.

notscience - i think he should really be voting his scum reads instead of telling people to push them when he flips town

pieguyn - town, explains her reads and thought process rather well. and i agree with them for the most part

RadiantCowbells - annie is playing weird. null.

Sakura Hana - early game i'm leaning scum but later on i think im siding with sakura in the sakura vs notscience debate.

The Bulge - null

*cough*

[Asher Kendrell]

Because I think people are considering just getting rid of ns or Sakura just to move this game along.

[Asher Kendrell]

Ah crap, give me some time to catch up.

[Asher Kendrell]

I'll be honest here, the personal attacks and meta circle shit has killed any desire I had to stay. It's been fun, but I'm out guys.

[Asher Kendrell]

(Not replaced, just V/La)

[Asher Kendrell]

@923
Good enough for me, let's just actually do something for once.
VOTE: Malakittens

[Asher Kendrell]

Pie is town.

NM's and Asher's votes don't look great.

Honestly, I was just pissed and wanted it to be over.

[Asher Kendrell]

@1037. Wanting the game to just go on when I'm angry is odd?

[Asher Kendrell]

How many posts can you make with one sentence? Let's find out:
Almost every post to 439. And none of them are terribly interesting really. Some back and forth with Pie about him not being interested in why she was scum reading him. Being accused of being dismissive but denying it. But 221 is pretty damn dismissive. Some soft defense of BBT using meta. I don't have much of a problem with that unless BBT flips scum.

439 is the first time he gives reads.And their decent enough.

And. Well. That's it. Holy shit. We're 1102 posts into this game and I have absolutely no idea where AK stands on anything except for a very old reads list. Like he isn't questioning anyone, he isn't putting pressure anywhere, he hasn't been putting content out there. Every post is like a sentence long. Almost every single one. The vote onto Sakura,

who according to 439 he was town reading

seems even worse now.

VOTE: Asher

I was expecting to spend an hour on this post, not five minutes.

He's V/LA. I voted Sakura on literally post #12, then never again.
Also Hobbes you fucker.

[Asher Kendrell]

Also of note: AK did not give a read on Cho. She was the only one who didn't have a town/neutral/scum tag.

Guess I missed that. More focused on whether or not she was an alt, but I would have gone with neutral.

[Asher Kendrell]

I accept I was wrong. But I think most people here would agree that it was time to end Day 1 and just move on from the petty bullshit.

[Asher Kendrell]

You're 4 posts in and you immediately jump on Blank Face's post. And the one piece of information that is apparently scummy (the vote on a town read) wasn't even right, which suggests that you're simply agreeing with him instead of reviewing.

But I admit that was harsh so mb.

[Asher Kendrell]

That still makes it the only one, doesn't it?

[Asher Kendrell]

Your other scum suggestion is if BBT flips scum, then I might be. The rest is me not posting, which is explained by the V/LA.

[Asher Kendrell]

AK and RC are scum. So when AK inevitably hammers BBT, can we please just win this game? I don't get why either of them are getting free passes from everyone else.

I'm not going to hammer anyone yet. So you're suggesting either I'm on a scum team with BBT and RC, or that I'm with RC and we're lynching a town BBT?

[Asher Kendrell]

But I think most people here would agree that it was time to end Day 1 and just move on

Less than half way through Day one? I doubt it. Who are you claiming was thinking that? Ditto for the similar comment you made in 721. Who were you referring to there?

No one in particular. Maybe I was wrong. That's a possibility, but the fact that people like nm have been posting less since the drama stuff suggests I might be right.

[Asher Kendrell]

Huntress, who are you willing to vote if not Bulge? That feels like a vanity wagon that isn't going anywhere.

Asher, can you decide where you would like to place your vote?

I think RC talking about policy is dumb and unrelated to this current game which is not a positive for me. But I still think pieguy is scum, but I don't know that I'll be voting yet, given that the two biggest groups right now are you and me.

[Asher Kendrell]

I don't think Pie did much of anything day 2

[Asher Kendrell]

I'd just like to mention I think I was the only one scumreading pieguy.

[Asher Kendrell]

Personally, I'd still stick with my previous read of Huntress being scum.

[Asher Kendrell]

I'm just confused how Huntress thinks I'm still scum.

[Asher Kendrell]

VOTE: Huntress

[Asher Kendrell]

Because she's voting me for absolutely no reason, and trying to discredit the fact that I was right about pieguyn. Also Blank, you were pretty sure Day 2 that I was scum with RC (1141). And I didn't vote BBT who was town. But that still makes me the scum here?

[Asher Kendrell]

My bad, meant RC was town and didn't hop on the BBT wagon as you've been calling out everyone jumping on wagons. It means you were wrong though. What are her reasons? Because honestly I don't see much. Not a whole lot, same as most people here.

[Asher Kendrell]

So pieguy should have been sure I'm scum in the first day? For 83, are you suggesting that she is defending me in the exact same post where she says you don't need experience with someone to defend them?

[Asher Kendrell]

Because she's voting me for absolutely no reason, and trying to discredit the fact that I was right about pieguyn. Also Blank, you were pretty sure Day 2 that I was scum with RC (1141). And I didn't vote BBT who was town. But that still makes me the scum here?

If you think there're no reasons then you haven't been reading my posts. But as far as I can see, your only reason for voting me is that I voted you. Unless it's the fact that I questioned you early on Day one.

So pieguy should have been sure I'm scum in the first day? For 83, are you suggesting that she is defending me in the exact same post where she says you don't need experience with someone to defend them?

If you're scum then she would have known that, so yes. And yes to your second question, but I don't get your point in asking it?

Are you counting your questions on Day 1 as part of your reasons? Because otherwise I see your reasons as I voted for mala, and that's it. If I'm missing something, please show me. My second point is that you're suggesting pieguy said you can defend someone without previously playing with them, and then defending me. Are you suggesting that pie would be so straightforward and obvious as to say that they were defending me?

[Asher Kendrell]

So your reasons are a gut feeling and a reference to said gut feeling. Between 318 and 369 I got the time to spend to write a readslist.

[Asher Kendrell]

Wait, why vote Soren?

[Asher Kendrell]

So just so I`m clear, chances are that there`s only 1-2 scum left?

[Asher Kendrell]

@blankface: So if not hammering is a very town move, why does that still leave me as a suspect?
@Soren: What even is that vote.
@Mala: Because you seem to like to tunnel on me, so I thought I'd remind you what I got right.

[Asher Kendrell]

And this would be my time to claim doctor.

[Asher Kendrell]

I'm still leaning on Huntress. I guarded Notscience, RC, and notscience.

[Asher Kendrell]

VOTE: Soren

[Asher Kendrell]

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