Mini 1668 - Mafia in Bremen - Game Over!

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Hi.

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UNVOTE: Arceus
VOTE: HaVoC

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I'm sheeping Elyse until I'm properly caught up, but HaVoC's posting on the three pages since I've been here has been scummy.

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We just finished a game together.

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She reads the same.

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Yeah. Well, that's just, like, your opinion man.

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Hey

Axe

hole! What information do you think we could gleam from a policy lynch or modkill of Palkia?

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Shout out to not being on mafiascum.net on the damn weekends. I'll give a "what what" to that.

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UNVOTE: HaVoC
VOTE: Prolapsed Brain

Like, there's naked pressure votes, then there's naked L-1 votes, and I have no words for how terrible that vote is. Basically everything Oversheep said. I obviously need to read the thread but I'm busy and I super don't want to, so this'll do for the meantime.

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For what its worth, I wasn't aware my vote was L-1.

Do with that what you will.

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What's up, guys?

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I feel like Elyse should answer the questions raised in 603 instead of dismissing them because that slot "is scum."

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" But all game, you've been giving a ton of reasons why people are scum until you get to the bottom of your post, give one reason why someone else is scum and then vote for them. Why all the fluff? Why put on a show about Palkia if you're going to vote HaVoC? Why are you playing off of Rune so hard?"

I don't see a single rhetorical question here, Elyse.

I'm talking to you. Talk back.

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I think they're talking about 329 and 357.

Could be wrong, but you do seem to bring up a lot of points against people and proceed to completely ignore them while wagon hopping. But you're right I'm probably wrong. I do that a lot.

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Palkia is town and you should feel bad for that vote Jake.

VOTE: Hostile Intent

Why'd you shy away from this, playboy?

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I have?

I mean, it was a fairly empty vote to begin with if we're honest. You were moaning about Jake while voting me and end up switching. I'd say that's shying away from it. What would you call that? What was your reason? What about my play is different from last we played that you didn't learn what this is?

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No, he doesn't, but he'll present it for others to use.

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Happy Mother's Day!

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My reads list is pretty much cohesive to NAA's. That's neat and gives me good feels about him.

Aside from that I'm about a page behind and have concluded I'm not reading pre-entrance pages.

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Mhm.

I didn't think I had to point out "except his scum read on me," that should be obv.

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"Yeah so I'm scum-reading myself guys" rofl gtfo

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I was wary of him until his list, so that's settling down a little. I'm fence-sitting on Elyse because I'm stubborn. I haven't seen a single TDA post and HaVoC was hot garbage from what I saw. The townreads aren't set in stone for me but honestly I'd like to see some activity from them, Elyse, and some follow-up from NAA as his vote seems like a safe place to be (which is why I haven't voted that way myself).

So yeah, pretty much.

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I give this wagon my blessing.

VOTE: Rune

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Where the fuck is that Palkia gentleman?

That's concerning.

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Is this really what we're doing?

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We have a week and a half. I don't know what the big deal is.

I don't need to write paragraphs to understand that, chief.

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Y'know, I was being a whiny bitch about it but mine are Elyse and BBT. Because experience.

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Haha. I was fence-sitting about Elyse. Not a Rev level of paranoia, but still, I wasn't committing to my reads like I usually do so that was just me being self-deprecating.

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Solid back track. 4/10 would disbelieve again.

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And he is his own strongest town read. What the fucking fuck is that?

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It means that NAA said NAA is one of his own strongest town reads.

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Oh, I see that now haha.

Do you have anything to comment on?

Can you expand on your Rune scum read?

Can I interest you in a Rev vote?

No.

No, I was sheeping you.

Not really, no.

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Ooh, good catch.

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UNVOTE: Rune
VOTE: Oversoul

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VOTE: Oversoul

Why do you care that you may or may not be linked to flipped scum?

Also Elyse is town, try again.

Pedit: rofl Rune is town, too.

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Rune, talk to me.

UNVOTE: Oversoul
VOTE: Axehole

I'm probably wrong about you.

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Rune, I don't disagree, but I do that a lot on either side of the fence. I vote for pressure and reads.

I'm not sold on Axehole right now.

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UNVOTE: Axehole
VOTE: Elyse

What the fuck is a read anymore idk

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Oversoul, take a break man. You're town. Eat a Snickers.

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Wait, what just happened?

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Rune with the white knight on Elyse noted.

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Hahaha white knight harder, scrub.

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I said Rune was white knighting Elyse earlier. Now he's voting me with this odds nonsense.

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Rev, you wouldn't happen to think that maybe I was more interactive that game because it wasn't as complacent a town as we've got here?

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I obviously understood the gunsmith, but then he said he's macho. I didn't know those were normally put together, so I didn't get it. I am sheeping. Its for a reason, but we'll cross that bridge really soon it seems. That's L-1.

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I don't plan on claiming

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Town-for-now and definite town. Did I miss Elyse confirming/denying Palkia's claim?

Ignoring it is a guilty to me.

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Lol'd.

But seriously this many claims D3 is handing scum the game.

I'm not really down with that, Oversoul.

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You'll L-1 me is what you'll do.

Whose everyone's top scum read (or second top scum read if the top is me)?

Serious inquiry.

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Who's*

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Elyse, Saint, maybe Rune.

I'm getting a feeling about Saint though.

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Why does what your predecessor said mean anything to you?

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What do you make of Palkia's guilty on Elyse, claiming gunsmith?

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I've no intention on claiming, guy.

I've considered that perhaps Palkia is indeed performing some sort of gambit. The Rev crumb holds up though, so it's a strange and elaborate gambit. Oversoul's crumb doesn't seem out of the ordinary for the game either. Very subtle, which is good, but easily a fall-back if scum surmise that there are no protective roles in the game. I can't imagine that to be the case at this point. So, as it stands, Elyse is the obvious scum here. If she doesn't come forward one way or the other on confirming/denying Palkia's guilty, she's done here very soon.

I still don't feel great about your slot, however, so I'm at a bit of a mental stand off.

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Ah, I seem to have misread the vote post. "VT... Palkia's bullshitting."

Hm. I'll leave that one for the town to deal with. You're done here, friend.

UNVOTE: Elyse
VOTE: Saint

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I forgot about the tiff with Jake earlier.

FURTHER PONDERING.

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True that. Misreading isn't alignment indicative, especially for me. I do that a lot.

Its sort of a problem.

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I don't think they give a shit.

Rune's voice is strong.

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Thing is, if Elyse is scum they're not killing Palkia. They're killing Oversoul and WIFOM'ing his claim's legitimacy "because Oversoul died." And people will believe that shit.

Really I'm still all about Elyse and Saint right now. Flipping a coin tbh.

Pedit: We'll see.

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UNVOTE: Saint
VOTE: Elyse

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Let's just rope me up then, hm? If my lynch clears up the wagon one way or the other, all the better no? That also means I've one less to worry about.

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I'm never doing that, Rune. That's sub-optimal play. The wagon needs to be natural and without a self-vote.

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HAMMER SCUM. HAMMER SCUM. HAMMER SCUM.

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I'm still stuck on Elyse/Saint(where the fuck did he go?)/Rune.

At least one is town if 10:3 though.

Hmm.

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I'm at L-1.

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And a dead gunsmith secures an Elyse!scum lynch, too.

I'm not claiming, chief. If I did it'd be VT... but I'm not claiming.

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Its also possible that Rune is also scum if you're town, Rev. You/BBT may have built a counterwagon completely by accident.

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Fucking plebeians. I've had at least three opportunities to self-hammer and haven't. Two of which were before you "found" Jake. Your paranoia is not becoming of you.

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Thank you, I appreciate that.

Now let's not muddle the game further, hm?

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The last few pages have actually persuaded me away from Elyse. So I'm looking at Saint and now Jake with Rune still as the outlier.

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Why aren't I scummy from you pov HI? I mean if you're town, then you can see a dead townie and you, voting for the cw to scum... shoulnd't that ping that fuck out of your scumdar?

Well, I was playing then, and you/BBT raised very interesting points about Rune at the time. That's why my sheep vote is there. Again, we didn't know we were building a counterwagon and, without further evidence, we can't know for sure that we didn't have two scum wagons going simultaneously. You and I play two very different games. I'm not nearly as paranoid as you are and I've been given no inclination to suspect you're not town. If Rune ends up flipping town, then yeah you look fucking horrible. But my nagging suspicion of Rune implies to me that you/BBT accidentally took suspicion from one poor scum player and put it on a much better scum player. That's all.

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I really didn't want to do this, but we're waiting for dumb shit to happen when we shouldn't be.

UNVOTE: Elyse
VOTE: Hostile

I'm a Vengeful Townie. For the last several posts I've been talking about who I'm going to shoot.

That's likely Saint, Jake, or Rune right now.

I tried asking for pointers but everybody p much ignored the question.

This should legitimize Palkia's claim, perhaps?

But Elyse situation can be waxed over later.

I'm using my shot. But we need to hit scum.

Proceed.

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You guys are p hot on Jake so I'm leaning more toward Saint/Rune tbh.

Also my shit play was so I could use my damn vig shot. Because I'm a dick.

Nik said I can talk in twilight so hurry up before he locks and I'm forced to decide alone.

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I'm liking Rune because imo he's lining up lynches. If he's scum he can easily get Palkia AND Elyse lynched if they're town.

On the other hand Saints entrance and Dude's posts are hot garbage and that needs to go.

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I could also shore up the Palkia/Elyse controversy but honestly a misfire only helps scum if they're both town. So I'll leave that alone.

Pedit: GOD DAMN GAMBIT TROLL FUCK

Imnotreallythatmadthothathelpsmyprocess

Ppedit: I just hammered myself and yay none of those names are on my list.

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Any last words, Rune?

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RUNE GOD DAMN DUDE WHY DID YOU CLAIM.

I'm glad I didn't shoot you. <3

Jake/Saint it is.

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Oversoul can be lynched especially if you're town.

I'll shoot Jake. Most likely. Probably. Well...

Palkia? But faking gun-smith as scum to get one obvtown out of the way only to say "you're not going to lynch my top scum read otherwise" can't be his scum game. Like, I get that the slot is muddled, but scum?

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Y'know that actually makes good sense. With me and Palkia gone the game should go more smoothly. Add the obvious flip from scum and we should really have this game locked down, guys. Don't fuck it up.

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I want to formally apologize for my laziness, though.

I just... this is my first vengeful role and I'm usually lynch bait anyway.

So I figured hey what the hell I'll just embrace my bad meta and go.

I do hope we can fucking destroy scum in the next couple phases anyway.

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My worry is that your clear of Axe may be the only investigation we have.

So far, sans the bodyguard, it appears Nikanor's setup is one-shotty.

All of those posts plus Dude's play is why he's been in my crosshairs.

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WOW YEAH EVERYBODY CLAIM THIS IS BRILLIANT.

whatthefuckhaveIdone

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Well if Saint is legit conf!scum shouldn't my kill go elsewhere?

I'm on Jake right now.

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Fair point. Saint it is then.

I'm a dick and wanted to kill someone.

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The chances of him flipping town PR are incredibly unlikely. You're an unhealthy amount of paranoid. That's why I stay off the pot but good for you, bruh.

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I think it was fairly town-driven given my play and the aftermath here after my claim. Saint's sketchiness about hammering makes a lot of sense as scum, so he's 95% likely to die. I think the outlier Rune still gives me scum vibes but that could just be a difference of play style and opinions. I think without a doubt we have A LOT of confirmed townies going into D4. Something I don't like is the disappearance of Elyse, but that could just be a timing issue because the same could be said of Jake. We'll see how it all plays out. I hope we can turn this into a win for us because it's going to be a huge gambit of a guessing game tonight.

My shot happens post-lynch, so day will end and I'll be taking Saint with me. I believe I have to PM my choice to Nikanor.