Mini 1674: A Minimalist Text Adventure (Fire's Out)

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Dayvig: Malakittens

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Asher doesn't have enough meta to make an actual "meta-read" but from knowing him IRL he looks pretty towny if that makes sense?

I refuse to try to read BBT this early in the game.

VOTE: not science

Clearly lurking how dare you sleep in on a Saturday lynch this pls

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Actually

@Mala, if a player with more experience had been in the exact same position as Asher (ie, a replacement), would you still have attempted the fake dayvig?

PEDIT - I just know his general attitude/thought process and I'm not saying this is superobvtown but nothing strikes me as out of place.

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What's the scum read on bulge?

Coming from the complete dismissal of the discussion on AK's motives for ignoring pie's scumread and instead granting him a townread for nonsensical reasons, to the vote on notty for similar reasons than BBT.

1) How did I dismiss it? I gave my opinion. Not agreeing with someone's read doesn't mean I'm dismissing it.
2) The notty vote is pretty clearly sarcastic.

His avoidance of the main issue; my wagon.

Followed by fluff posting.

I find it very hard to read you accurately and I'm still in bed on my phone so I haven't really looked at the wagon itself yet.

By fluffposting I assume you mean my page top steal? Please. How is that in any way alignment indicative?

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I'm still in bed on my phone

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Hesitance to commit to a read on someone who I'm not sure of yet?

VOTE: BlankFace

That's the most bullshit anti-town crap I have heard in a long time and if you're town this town is better off without you.

Hi I haven't read anything for a couple pages but if there's not already a wagon here can we please

VOTE: RC

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Hesitance to commit to a read on someone who I'm not sure of yet?

VOTE: BlankFace

That's the most bullshit anti-town crap I have heard in a long time and if you're town this town is better off without you.

Hi I haven't read anything for a couple pages but if there's not already a wagon here can we please

VOTE: RC

I mean if this isn't a scumslip it's pretty damn close.

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Why would RC vote BlankFace while assuming that he is town? He's not saying "This is scummy VOTE: ", he's saying "You're a detriment to the town VOTE: "

Reading the rest of the thread now

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Hesitance to commit to a read on someone who I'm not sure of yet?

VOTE: BlankFace

That's the most bullshit anti-town crap I have heard in a long time and if you're town this town is better off without you.

re:My RVS vote on ns

I wouldn't really call it an RVS vote per se. Think of it as a sarcastic commentary on the stupid ns PL shit.

Anyway I'm caught up and I'm here now. Let's lynch RC.

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why did it keep that quoted this bug is killing me

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Why would RC vote BlankFace while assuming that he is town? He's not saying "This is scummy VOTE: ", he's saying "You're a detriment to the town VOTE: "

Reading the rest of the thread now

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My favourite scum tell and one that I use in almost every single game is the "asking questions with no follow-up" tell. But this fluffposting is Soren's town-game as well. Nothing else has pinged me about him so far, so he's just a null at this point.

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Without meta in the question, yea he could be scum.

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No. I said without meta. As in, hypothetically. Because meta exists.

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I would note that my vote is still on BBT.

Are you aware that this is a Normal game?

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I don't think notscience/Cho/pieguy are all town but give me a bit to sort out which of you is scum.

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I don't think notscience/Cho/pieguy are all town but give me a bit to sort out which of you is scum.

Why us three in particular? Why not, say, notscience/notscience/notscience?

You drive a hard bargain.

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But this fluffposting is Soren's town-game as well. Nothing else has pinged me about him so far, so he's just a null at this point.

have you seen Soren's scum game?

bc his play here sure as hell isn't it

Not that I recall. At this point it's meta vs scumtells. I tend to trust meta more.

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Can both of you please take a break for the rest of today and come back and re-read with less emotion and see what you can get from analysis without all the tears.

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Like I don't mean to belittle either side of the argument but this head-state is no good for analysis if you actually want reliable results.

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Sakura is town and I am not voting for her this game.

notty is probably town as well but if he was scum throughout that all it was crazy well-played and idk something in the back of my head is preventing me from conf-towning him. But it's like 90%.

Nothing has changed about my read on Asher, except he hasn't put out a whole lot of content recently but he's semi V/LA or whatever so eh. I think I mentioned that I really liked his read list because it was actual analysis and trying to piece stuff together instead of just an arbitrary "look I'm actually reading the game and have an opinion" read list like this one.

I don't recall reading anything from Huntress.

BlankFace could be scum but I forget why.

I should take a look at Mala and pieguy. Those seem like important reads to have.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6258453

I kinda get what you're saying that I'm thinking here. But what are

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saying?

Bulge you're ignoring me.

whachu say

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Wait but what am I ignoring

Like give me a post number so I can scumflail harder

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Sakura

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If RC isn't happening I'd like to do Mala. Everyone has mentioned it/danced around it but we never got a solid wagon going.

VOTE: Mala

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Wait I don't think I ever posted my read on Mala one sec

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Main points are

1) Has made one single vote this entire game and it was on Sakura
2) Dismissive of a lynch on her in 710
3) Seems to be setting up a bunch of future lynchables.

Expanding on 3...

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Upon further reading, a large part of Mala's ISO is non-committal reads that could end up going either way. Huh.

Notty is prob town.
Huntress is prob town.
Blankface could be town, same with BBT.
RC could be scum.
Not mafia could be town.
One of SAKURA/pie is scum. Learning on the former.
AK is scum.
Soren could be town.
Bulge can gtfo. Jk he's null
Cho I think is town.

Start with this. Every read on here is a fence-sit except for Asher. Noted.

BBT

Oh I think BBT is yown btw. Although reasons r faulty

Cuz I said so

It could be easily a town driven wagon, but the speed bothers me. Hence why I said faulty

"Prob-town, but faulty" is an easy transition into "wait a minute BBT is scum how did I not see it before"

Asher

AK you can still post before the flip. Esp if you're town

The fake vig itself is something Mala can always come back to later. Honestly this is the case for almost every reaction test. The person "conducting the test" can bullshit whatever they want from it and use it at any point in the game to support a scum-read.

RC

In otherwise I dislike RC.

Bbt im liking most people on your wagon for town leans other than one/twoz

Literally the only time Mala mentions RC besides the reads list is this.

Soren

I don't really have a clear read on Soren atm

More fence-sitting, neutral, could-go-either-way, etc.

Huntress

Hey huntress,

Do we share an alignment this game?!?

You always are scum and im town ;-;

It seems like we are never town together!

I was focusing more on solidifying the read on Huntress before anyone else this game due to longer experience etc. I'm normally really quick to townread town!Huntress than I am scum!huntress, which is why I have a feeling that she's potentially town here rather than scum.

There's two reasons why I'm refusing to ever take a huntress townread to the ground.

I had a bunch of tells which she now knows so that's invalid in reading her.

I for some reason always end up townreading her after I scum read her in a game and she flips scum.

So I don't have a perfect track record in reading her anymore.

She's done a better job at mixing her meta together.

=.=

Now this is interesting. Every other read from Mala up to this point has been a couple posts of maybe. Why does she use so many more words on Huntress to come to the same neutral conclusion? A Mala scum-flip would give us huge amounts of information if I'm right here.

pie

I'm kinda curious about why Pie's flat out ignoring me.

It's making me question ~stuff~

notty can Pie have actually rolled scum this game!?!?!

My commentaries are getting kinda redundant.

Bulge

Scum bulge is tryhard, not coasting

Not really. I have seen coast-hard-scum bulge before because I made this very argument and it bit me in the ass.

"I used to agree with you for this being Bulge-town-meta, but now I'm just not sure."

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Werewolf Seer could mean a number of things, with a Werewolf Traitor being the most likely imo.

But it could also be multiball with two werewolf factions (unlikely because Cho didn't have a specific faction name) OR there is a Role Cop and the WW Seer is a counter.

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HI H0BBES ^_^

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Yea why are people automatically assuming multiball? Werewolf is an acceptable replacement flavour name for Mafia. And it does fit the game flavour

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Although now that I think about it, a single NK on scum does kinda point to multiball. Or a very unlucky WW team.

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ALSO

I almost forgot

WHERE TF DID THAT WAGON COME FROM

Jesus fuck that happened fast. Probably should be pretty easily analyzed though.

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Spoiler: Big useless post that means nothing now because Mala was town

Upon further reading, a large part of Mala's ISO is non-committal reads that could end up going either way. Huh.

Notty is prob town.
Huntress is prob town.
Blankface could be town, same with BBT.
RC could be scum.
Not mafia could be town.
One of SAKURA/pie is scum. Learning on the former.
AK is scum.
Soren could be town.
Bulge can gtfo. Jk he's null
Cho I think is town.

Start with this. Every read on here is a fence-sit except for Asher. Noted.

BBT

Oh I think BBT is yown btw. Although reasons r faulty

Cuz I said so

It could be easily a town driven wagon, but the speed bothers me. Hence why I said faulty

"Prob-town, but faulty" is an easy transition into "wait a minute BBT is scum how did I not see it before"

Asher

AK you can still post before the flip. Esp if you're town

The fake vig itself is something Mala can always come back to later. Honestly this is the case for almost every reaction test. The person "conducting the test" can bullshit whatever they want from it and use it at any point in the game to support a scum-read.

RC

In otherwise I dislike RC.

Bbt im liking most people on your wagon for town leans other than one/twoz

Literally the only time Mala mentions RC besides the reads list is this.

Soren

I don't really have a clear read on Soren atm

More fence-sitting, neutral, could-go-either-way, etc.

Huntress

Hey huntress,

Do we share an alignment this game?!?

You always are scum and im town ;-;

It seems like we are never town together!

I was focusing more on solidifying the read on Huntress before anyone else this game due to longer experience etc. I'm normally really quick to townread town!Huntress than I am scum!huntress, which is why I have a feeling that she's potentially town here rather than scum.

There's two reasons why I'm refusing to ever take a huntress townread to the ground.

I had a bunch of tells which she now knows so that's invalid in reading her.

I for some reason always end up townreading her after I scum read her in a game and she flips scum.

So I don't have a perfect track record in reading her anymore.

She's done a better job at mixing her meta together.

=.=

Now this is interesting. Every other read from Mala up to this point has been a couple posts of maybe. Why does she use so many more words on Huntress to come to the same neutral conclusion? A Mala scum-flip would give us huge amounts of information if I'm right here.

pie

I'm kinda curious about why Pie's flat out ignoring me.

It's making me question ~stuff~

notty can Pie have actually rolled scum this game!?!?!

My commentaries are getting kinda redundant.

Bulge

Scum bulge is tryhard, not coasting

Not really. I have seen coast-hard-scum bulge before because I made this very argument and it bit me in the ass.

"I used to agree with you for this being Bulge-town-meta, but now I'm just not sure."

The two votes on Mala before my case were on their for a while. Probably nothing telling there. But after this post the wagon skyrocketed.

@923
Good enough for me, let's just actually do something for once.
VOTE: Malakittens

Considering how frustrated Asher was getting before this, I believe this is genuine.

vote: Mala

I'm not around rn but I will be later.

Hmmmmmmm...

VOTE: Mala

L-1

HMMMMMMM

VOTE: Mala

Fuck this game.

Eh also kinda maybe genuine? Fuck if I know, it's BBT.

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Pie's vote is shady but N_M's is 1000000x shadier. I'll ISO them re:Mala in a bit.

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Also this is interesting...

That was horrible.

I'm still not up to snuff yet but I'll try to get some thoughts together before the thread is locked.

By the way, that thing about Mala saying she isn't going to be lynched? She does that as town. I don't know if she also does it as scum because I'm way out of date on her scum meta, but if she flips town then I (or someone else if I can't) need to check if the people who were using that against her knew that.

Distancing from a wagon post-hammer. Did she know for a fact that Mala would flip town?

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I have an odd relationship with Day 1's.

I think the Day 1 lynch is the most important lynch of the game. But my Day 1 play is so consistently poor as Town that Day 1 discussion often surrounds me. Analyzing that is hard. So now I tend to lurk through Day 1 (somewhat subconsciously) to avoid fucking up my own analysis later on.

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Are you metaing me rn

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Hm. Not sure what you're getting at.

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I keep thinking back to that game where scum were werewolf traitor neighbors and their neighborhood PT was the scum pt but they didnt know each other was scum

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October

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=59355

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Pretty high because she's a snake

But I don't think the reviewers would let that fly lol

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I don't have any problem with Sakura or RC's votes on Mala.
Pie confirms her scum read on Mala in 894 and others.
NS reaffirms his scum read on Mala in 901.

In 917 Bulge votes Mala. Bulge had barely mentioned Mala before 749 where he says "I should take a look at Mala and pieguy. Those seem like important reads to have." Then:

If RC isn't happening I'd like to do Mala. Everyone has mentioned it/danced around it but we never got a solid wagon going.

VOTE: Mala

This gives the impression that he had previously been involved in discussion about her, but he hadn't. He then produces a case which boils down to Mala being non-committal. It looks very much like he saw there was support for a Mala-lynch and decided to push it.

Asher's vote in 924 was the one that switched the wagon from a minor to a major one, despite the fact he had been reading Mala as neutral or town.
No problem with Pie's vote as it follows her previous posts on Mala.
NM also barely mentions Mala. He asked Sakura whether something Mala did was scummy for her. Sakura said it wasn't. NM makes no further comment before voting Mala.
As for BBT's vote. That almost deserves a policy vote. He doesn't seem to have had a scumread on Mala either, Athough it's possible I missed it.

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2nd choice would be Asher (partly due to previous stuff), then BBT. Soren is still there too.

You're not looking at the context. Literally my next post. As you mentioned, I said I wanted to go back an read Mala. So I did. Then I voted and realized I hadn't posted since reading Mala's ISO.

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That's what I just said. I realized after I voted that I hadn't posted my read on Mala yet. So I posted it in 919.

I've played with Mala a fair bit.

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Like, that hammer was textbook "hammer someone else so my team doesnt lose someone d1"

So you think this is multiball?

Ok. No problem.

I've played with Mala a fair bit.

Then why claim the first two points in 919 are scum tells for her? And why was it scummy for her to be unsure about many of her Day one reads? Your interpretations of some of those reads put a slant on them that just wasn't there.

Fair question. I wasn't thinking of meta, really. I do use meta as a tool, but I'm not observant enough to use it passively. If I want to meta someone I have to actually go back and read past games (depending on how long ago they are, and I haven't played with Mala in a while).

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I'd like some elaboration from N_M as well.

Also, N_M, explain your Mala vote.

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

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I don't understand your whole "no counterwagon guess I'm town" thing. Could you explain?

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BBT explain your damn counterwagon logic

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But the mere fact that you're aware of that and constantly mentioning it completely invalidates that as a defense.

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VOTE: BBT

The hammer was so bad I almost cried.

Why did you wait so long to vote me?

You posted 15 (no exaggeration) times since Daystart and had a chance to vote me then given your reasoning was because of my hammer.

Why have you waited for a wagon to form before voting me?

i think someone pointed out your hammer and i found it bad as well

You didn't see it yourself?

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H0BBES, have you read the game yet?

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RC please stop being a useless troll.

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Also N_M can still be lynched purely for his hop onto the Mala wagon.

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I'd really rather not lynch BBT. I'm keeping my vote on N_M. If a Soren or RC wagon happens, I'd gladly hop on.

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Wtf are you talking about?

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Policy???

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That is literally the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

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Like what the actual fuck? Because I have irl issues right now, I should be policy lynched (on Day 2, no less) from all the games I'm in with you? Because I'm dealing with stress and panic attacks and not really in the mindset to have huge amounts of motivation for mafia right now, I'm a

policy lynch

???

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LMAO

A Day 2 OMGUS policy lynch? Hahahahahahahha

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You're either completely inept at the game or are intentionally pretending to be in order to sort out some grievance with me.

Either way, I've had it with you.

Yea, fuck you. I'm really not in the mood right now.

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Fuck it

VOTE: BBT

This day has stalled. I don't really buy BBT-scum but he's not gonna be NK'd and I don't want him near LyLo. Hopefully I'll get some results tonight.

I want my Soren/N_M lynch tomorrow.

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Nice

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I don't think notscience/Cho/pieguy are all town but give me a bit to sort out which of you is scum.

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Also hi N_M

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Hm. Worth noting that pieguy only ever mentioned Cho after she had been killed.

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besides me

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I don't really think RC is scum though. I want Soren dead.

VOTE: Soren

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RC isn't scum he's just a VI asshole who I want gone but if we lynch the last scum then the game will be over and we don't have to get rid of RC.

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besides me

Why are you quoting this?

Because it's hilarious

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Let's not do N_M

Let's do

Soren

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VOTE: RC

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Fuck I don't think any of you are town

Except N_M

N_M let me sheep you

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Actually I was thinking about it during the Night phase and I think Huntress might be our last wolf.

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I tried PoE because I thought that would be the best option but it could be anyone

I don't think it's Asher based on early play, but I've never been positive about this read and it's been creeping in the back of my mind forever.

I don't think it's notscience but the only reason is because I don't think I called the entire scum team in one post. But that's literally my only reason.

Soren BlankFace and Huntress are all even ground for me I think.

PEDIT - Sure

VOTE: BlankFace

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Hey, let me use my gambler's fallacy if it's what's keeping me from voting you

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Oh yea I also haven't looked at any associatives yet. Shit. I should do that tomorrow.

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I only count the one, which was probably BBT's bulletproof.

PEDIT - yea

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Bulge, I'm waiting for you.

Hm?

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Not_Mafia is town.

Uhhhh

I think I'd rather lynch Huntress over BlankFace now :/

PEDIT woops lots of prods

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Ok, there's no way BlankFace is scum. The game's activity is dropping like crazy. Apathy is rampant. Why would the last remaining scum member try to get the game going? Like it doesn't even make sense as a WIFOM tactic

VOTE: Huntress

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This game has stalled. Come on. Let's lynch something.

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I'm fine with Huntress or Soren

notty why is Huntress town?

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Please don't let this game die. [/hypocrisy]

BlankFace I am almost certain is town. notty trust me.
Not_Mafia is even more certainly town.

Huntress or Soren need to die.

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I'm pretty sure I used this tell earlier

And was wrong

But Huntress never interacted with Cho.

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Bulge was not a leading wagon before that tyvm

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I can compromise on Asher. He's my only null.

But I really hate that my two scumreads are on his wagon right now.

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Ugjfhjsjejwjw

VOTE: Asher

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UNVOTE:

I'm a VT. If I get deadline lynched, so be it. But please please please look at Huntress and Soren.

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VOTE: Soren

?

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I unexpectedly went to work at camp for the whole summer oops

Anyway let's not stall this any longer. We've all been dancing around the same couple people and now the game has stopped because we can't come to a consensus. We can afford what? Two mislynches? Let's do something.

I would lynch Huntress or Soren (my phone autocompleted "Huntress" after "lynch" heh)

I won't touch BlankFace or Not_Mafia

notscience is in between but more leaning toward not lynching.

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Oh right we lynched Soren already

VOTE: Huntress

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Well it's Huntress or you.

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I was on every lynch so far (of which only two have been mislynches...) And that makes me scum? Your case is based on that plus the fact that I'm communicating with my partner in code? You're reaching.