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Post Post #2184 (isolation #200) » Fri Jul 10, 2015 6:11 pm

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In post 2180, Fro99er wrote:
In post 1360, Shinobi wrote:Thor stop voting Toffee.

Pedit: Titus, for you to legitimately think the three of us are mafia together makes you mafia. It is literally that simple.

Ok yeah...right here...several posts AFTER your vote of titus. And this is your whole "case"


It's a little bit more complicated than that (especially when you factor in the fact that I hated the only other option available, which was the Mathdino/Persivul wagon) but whatever.

Pedit: Sure - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7033542
PLUS, I commented on how I agreed with Tex's reasons too.

Double pedit: Well you beat me to it.
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Post Post #2214 (isolation #201) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:21 pm

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In post 2199, texcat wrote:
In post 2198, Fro99er wrote:one of these wagons look scummier than the other


?????????????? [/Shinobi]


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Post Post #2215 (isolation #202) » Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:27 pm

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Just checking in before heading to bed.
I thought Tool was completely V/LA but he still checked in to defend himself. Hrm.
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Post Post #2243 (isolation #203) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:09 pm

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In post 2189, toolenduso wrote:
In post 2174, Shinobi wrote:I voted Tool because he made a big messy in regards to voting between two people and then voted with his scumread and stated they were on the same team despite trying to lynch each other


I fucking challenge you to find the place where I said that math and frog were on the same team. While I'm at it I'll ask you to reverse the earth's rotation with your bare hands and divide by zero. The outcome will be the same.

You've said this so many times and it's a blatant, willful mischaracterization of what I was saying. I said, and I fucking quote:

In post 344, toolenduso wrote:The problem is that they would have had to have a bussing design right out of the gate in order to be partners, and I'm not sure I've ever seen scum do that before. I've seen them plan pre-game to bus later on and then do that, or add a conditional onto it like I'll bus you if you start to get a bunch of votes, but...I guess I just feel like the earliness of this makes it less likely.


Except I never actually said this...?
I don't even know what you're on about at this point.
How is it that you're not aware of what you were being voted for at the beginning of the game?

In post 2174, Shinobi wrote:his Titus vote where he made his mind up over nothing


You and I have very different ideas of what the word "nothing" means. Again I quote:

In post 1430, toolenduso wrote:I'm sorry Titus, I think you're scum.

The claim -> whoops he crumbed -> retract -> deflect attention somewhere else thing makes too much sense under a scum explanation.

Intent to hammer


Again, not what I was talking about. I'm referencing every post you made afterwards, where you saw reasons to call Titus town and then voted her anyway.
Why is it that this is all of a sudden your reason when you were talking about why we should vote Titus well after this post?

In post 2174, Shinobi wrote:It does feel like he's putting more effort into trying to be forgotten about rather than be constructive at this point, so I think that's worth looking into.


I have been analyzing interactions and voting patterns, laying out possible scenarios based on flips to help guide decision making as to who I think should and should not be in a day's lynch pool and engaging in setup spec so as to eliminate possibilities. How the hell can you justify your statement.


I clarified it in the paragraph I wrote?
If you're so confused about my statement, tell me this: aside from writing a bunch of pretty paragraphs, what have you accomplished this game? This Zor push is literally the only lynch you've managed to
almost
see through and I'm still half expecting you to disappear halfway through.
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Post Post #2244 (isolation #204) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:15 pm

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In post 2218, Fro99er wrote:
In post 2081, toolenduso wrote:
@Mod: I'm going on V/LA until the night of Sunday, July 19. I expect to be able to post at least a couple times before then.

In post 2215, Shinobi wrote:Just checking in before heading to bed.
I thought Tool was completely V/LA but he still checked in to defend himself. Hrm.

Where does he say he's completely V/LA? He even said he'd be able to post a couple times. Phone posting while on V/LA would fit what he said.

Or should he just not be allowed to defend himself? I don't get why you're using he is defending himself as a point against him.


Initial post was here.
It was implied that he wouldn't play at all.
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Post Post #2245 (isolation #205) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:19 pm

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In post 2210, Bellaphant wrote:Because I wasn't sure about the set-up. I was confused by the one-kill. I'm happier (ish) now.


This isn't new information: this has been discussed to death almost all game in regards to the setup possibly being multiball so why does that change things now?

And iirc you still haven't talked about Tool at all even though he's still basically voteparking. That should be a scumclaim to you in yet you've still said nothing even though I pointed it out.
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Post Post #2246 (isolation #206) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:22 pm

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In post 2195, Thor665 wrote:I will admit to seeing the Zor/Shin connection.
I could go for either of them, frankly.

Bella keeps vibing town to me - I think I'm leaning Tool as the other scum.


I also want these explained at some point.
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Post Post #2249 (isolation #207) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:27 pm

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In post 2247, Fro99er wrote:
In post 2244, Shinobi wrote:
In post 2218, Fro99er wrote:
In post 2081, toolenduso wrote:
@Mod: I'm going on V/LA until the night of Sunday, July 19. I expect to be able to post at least a couple times before then.

In post 2215, Shinobi wrote:Just checking in before heading to bed.
I thought Tool was completely V/LA but he still checked in to defend himself. Hrm.

Where does he say he's completely V/LA? He even said he'd be able to post a couple times. Phone posting while on V/LA would fit what he said.

Or should he just not be allowed to defend himself? I don't get why you're using he is defending himself as a point against him.


Initial post was here.
It was implied that he wouldn't play at all.

Lies. Even that post said he'd be able to check in.


Meh, I must have overlooked that part.
Anyhoezels.

Pedit: why are you guys voting Thor?
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Post Post #2251 (isolation #208) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:30 pm

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In post 2250, Fro99er wrote:Tool's not getting lynched today. Lapsa, Tex, and I are not voting Tool, for the record.


I can concede the fact that he won't be getting lynched today, but I'm still going to talk about him.
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Post Post #2255 (isolation #209) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:33 pm

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Fro99er wrote:Shin...vote Thor?


Why?
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Post Post #2258 (isolation #210) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:37 pm

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Can you clarify what I'm supposed to be seeing in what you're posting? I don't get it.
Like is it suspicious that I'm trying to understand why you're voting him?

Pedit: lmfao what's wrong with you
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Post Post #2262 (isolation #211) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:40 pm

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In post 2260, Fro99er wrote:
In post 2258, Shinobi wrote:Pedit: lmfao what's wrong with you

Nothing


Then, like, explain your vote/proposed scumteams?

Pedit: I'm sorry for being mean, but I legitimately don't understand how you guys came to that conclusion. Clarify?
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Post Post #2264 (isolation #212) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:49 pm

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In post 2263, Fro99er wrote:You + Thor (UV)

Bella or Zor + BBT (IR)


How do you know they are teams, BTW? Isn't it theoretically still possible for an SK or a vig?


Because you're the one who said we were a team?
I still don't understand how you came to these conclusions.
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Post Post #2265 (isolation #213) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:50 pm

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You literally just said "you two are a team" and I asked why, and now that's a point against me?
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Post Post #2269 (isolation #214) » Mon Jul 13, 2015 5:54 pm

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In post 2266, Fro99er wrote:I've been spewing you + either Zor or Thor all D3, and Zor or Bella + BBT all D3.

It's not a new revelation


I know that you don't trust me and you'll drop that eventually; that doesn't concern me at all.
The issue is that you keep dropping names over things I don't understand and it's making you impossible to work with.
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Post Post #2335 (isolation #215) » Wed Jul 15, 2015 7:07 pm

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Prodge. Will catch up tomorrow.
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Post Post #2347 (isolation #216) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:59 am

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I am VT.
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Post Post #2370 (isolation #217) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:51 pm

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I'd really appreciate you not calling me scum every time I stop posting. It's so boring.
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Post Post #2371 (isolation #218) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:51 pm

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In post 2369, Fro99er wrote:Oh my god. Vote

VOTE: Zoronos

Someone hammer.


What brought this on, exactly?
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Post Post #2372 (isolation #219) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:54 pm

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Like, how do you even vote someone for asking about another player? How is that the DEFINING FACTOR behind your vote?
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Post Post #2377 (isolation #220) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:58 pm

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In post 2374, Fro99er wrote:
In post 2372, Shinobi wrote:Like, how do you even vote someone for asking about another player? How is that the DEFINING FACTOR behind your vote?

Why are you attacking me?

Chainsaw much?


I'm not actually attacking you?
Pedit: What does that even mean?
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Post Post #2379 (isolation #221) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:59 pm

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Like, if you're voting someone for nonsensical reasons then I'm going to talk about those reasons.
This isn't hard. It has nothing to do with me "attacking you" or whatever it is you want to call it.
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Post Post #2380 (isolation #222) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:59 pm

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In post 2378, Fro99er wrote:Ok...shouting at me. Whatever. You're obviously not town.


WHY
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Post Post #2382 (isolation #223) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:00 pm

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....
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Post Post #2385 (isolation #224) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:01 pm

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This game is the stupidest fucking thing ever. I ask about ONE GODDAMN PLAYER and apparently that makes me confscum.
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Post Post #2388 (isolation #225) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:04 pm

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In post 2386, Fro99er wrote:
In post 2385, Shinobi wrote:This game is the stupidest fucking thing ever. I ask about ONE GODDAMN PLAYER and apparently that makes me confscum.

Asking is fine. Screaming at a supposed fellow townie is not.

You clearly don't want to work WITH me


I'm not even screaming at you. I don't even know how you can say that.

I have no idea why you're even saying I don't want to work WITH you because that's exactly what I'm trying to do right now.
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Post Post #2391 (isolation #226) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:06 pm

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Well, technically I'm kind of pissed off NOW but that really shouldn't be surprising.

Pedit: I think those two, yes. I
was
considering Lapsa but that's probably out of the cards for reasons that have already been explained.
Pedit2: sssdddffffffsssss
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Post Post #2397 (isolation #227) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:08 pm

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:neutral:
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Post Post #2401 (isolation #228) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:27 pm

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Wasn't he confirmed not having a gun?
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Post Post #2410 (isolation #229) » Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:49 pm

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It's probably not but whatever.

Bella is my top lynch.
Followed by probably Tool, and Thor wouldn't be far behind in that case.
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Post Post #2425 (isolation #230) » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:44 am

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Ouch. Terrible lynch, no surprises.

Thor665 wrote:I think this easily bounces me back into confirmed status - unless anyone cares to argue that BBT was bussing me?
Didn't think so.

@Lapsa - what is the case, in your mind, on Bella? I have him as townish.

I'm leaning towards a lynch of Tool or Shinobi. I reckon if one of them flips town we can consider Bella and Lapsa as possible additional scum.
I'm leaning towards 3 scum start - two remaining, and it is making sense to me that a GF is probably in play just considering the combo of my role, Pers' role, and who the scum felt it was worth shooting thus far.
The extra kill...I dunno, leaning some sort of scum 1-shot ability for an extra kill? That would actually help make the balance make sense - double scum or an SK is making basically no sense at this stage.


You
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aware that BBT pushed me as well, yes?
Why doesn't that mean anything to you?
Can you answer my other questions as well?
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Post Post #2430 (isolation #231) » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:50 am

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In post 2428, Thor665 wrote:
In post 2425, Shinobi wrote:You
are
aware that BBT pushed me as well, yes?
Why doesn't that mean anything to you?

It didn't leave a strong impression on me, no - you are arguing his push on you was of equal/greater strength to his push on me?


Not at all - I was curious as to why it didn't matter to you.
Everybody else in the game has argued that BBT and I have been diametrically opposed. Why is that not important to you?

In post 2425, Shinobi wrote:Can you answer my other questions as well?

Sure, can you remind me what they are or clarify when they were asked so I can iso for them?


I could link but I'm lazy so I'll just ask them again:
Why is Bella town?
Why is Tool scum?
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Post Post #2440 (isolation #232) » Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:09 am

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In post 2438, Lapsa wrote:
In post 2401, Shinobi wrote:Wasn't he confirmed not having a gun?


Shin, what did you try to accomplish there?


I responded to Zor talking about frogger's day vigi.
Why?
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Post Post #2441 (isolation #233) » Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:10 am

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Tool, if you don't trust Thor's claim then why did you ever trust him in the first place?
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Post Post #2452 (isolation #234) » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:00 am

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In post 2448, Lapsa wrote:
In post 2440, Shinobi wrote:
In post 2438, Lapsa wrote:
In post 2401, Shinobi wrote:Wasn't he confirmed not having a gun?


Shin, what did you try to accomplish there?


I responded to Zor talking about frogger's day vigi.
Why?


why what? wtf?!!


Why did you bring it up, I meant.
You must have had a reason for asking about it, no?
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Post Post #2475 (isolation #235) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:12 am

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In post 2472, Lapsa wrote:VOTE: Thor665



Shinobi, I want you to join me


You're going to have to give me more than telling me his entrance is bad.
Threats aren't going to work either.
What do you have?

I'll admit that I'm still feeling Bella as my top lynch atm, though.
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Post Post #2484 (isolation #236) » Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:27 am

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Can we not fight?
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Post Post #2536 (isolation #237) » Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:34 pm

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"Magic position."
Really.
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Post Post #2537 (isolation #238) » Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:36 pm

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I'm thinking I'm still going to vote Bella.
Any naysayers, say so now.
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Post Post #2538 (isolation #239) » Tue Jul 21, 2015 7:11 pm

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Alright, rad.
VOTE: Bella
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Post Post #2542 (isolation #240) » Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:06 am

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Lapsa why do you think Tool is town?
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Post Post #2576 (isolation #241) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:03 am

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In post 2574, Plotinus wrote:you were awesome, toolenduso we were cheering you on from the dead thread. you had so much of it figured out. we couldn’t figure out why thor wasn’t hammering bella either it was really weird.


He thought Tool was the last Infrared over Bella. I considered it too.

I'm fine with the Scum QT being released.
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Post Post #2579 (isolation #242) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:06 am

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Fun game though, thanks for modding Aero.

lol @ those night actions. Things really worked out for us.

Pedit: Yeah, I was coming around to thinking that Tool might be the last Infrared too. I was planning on maybe seeing what would happen if I pushed him today when I woke up, but he already hammered Bella.
Pedit 2: You jerk. :evil:
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Post Post #2584 (isolation #243) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:10 am

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I think the only reason that Thor was even forced to claim was because Blue hard pushed him in thread.
Would you guys have shot him if he didn't claim? Frogger probably would have eaten the bullet and that likely would have been blocked too.
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Post Post #2613 (isolation #244) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:07 am

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lol I just read the dead thread:

In post 441, Aeronaut wrote:Shin was obvscum, but STILL managed to avoid being lynched. That is almost more skillful IMO


In post 447, Aeronaut wrote:must be the winning personality


In post 9, Shinobi wrote:Hey pricks.

VOTE: cthulhu


YEP.
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Post Post #2654 (isolation #245) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:30 am

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In post 2648, Plotinus wrote:my nightkill reasoning is usually fairly convoluted. but sometimes of course you have to pick the obvious targets.

were you trying to crosskill BBT or did you think he was town?


I thought he was town at the time of shooting him, yes.
It was a game-winning kill.
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Post Post #2661 (isolation #246) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:41 am

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In post 2657, Plotinus wrote:That’s not alignment indicative; he was in 10 games when he started his one and he overextended himself.


That's pretty crazy - I handled 8 at one point while holding down a full-time job, which I plainly couldn't do and wound up shutting down in most of them.
Coincidentally, I lost a majority of the games I signed up for at that point. Almost every game I joined during that period I played terribly in.
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Post Post #2665 (isolation #247) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:45 am

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In post 2662, Bulbazoor wrote:Why did this one end so fast? One day it was dat two and now its ended?


Self-hammers and quick hammers played a big part in this, probably.
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Post Post #2698 (isolation #248) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:26 am

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In post 2687, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Also, I was not a good kill choice! I wanted to win!!


Could you imagine a Shin/Thor/BBT/Bella team of some sort?
That'd be sick.
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Post Post #2702 (isolation #249) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:35 am

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lol thanks Blue.

In post 2691, Tere wrote:Also, genuinely, I think this a great learning game. Would anyone feel uncomfortable if it got dissected?


Nope - I agree that this is a good game to look at.

Tere wrote:
In post 2699, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 2698, Shinobi wrote:
Could you imagine a Shin/Thor/BBT/Bella team of some sort?
That'd be sick.

Firstly, I'm loving that new avatar. Secondly, you played pretty well so well done. Thirdly, that's an unbeatable scum team, no? Even Plot's interaction analysis couldn't break that shit up.


You were an obvscum scumfuck but you played well Shin :)


That just makes it better though.
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Post Post #2706 (isolation #250) » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:37 am

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In post 2704, Bellaphant wrote:
In post 2698, Shinobi wrote:
In post 2687, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Also, I was not a good kill choice! I wanted to win!!


Could you imagine a Shin/Thor/BBT/Bella team of some sort?
That'd be sick.


@shin: was that...a compliment?


Only maybe.
B-b-but it's not like I like you or anything.
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Post Post #2752 (isolation #251) » Fri Jul 24, 2015 3:55 am

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In post 2747, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Can I just say how awesome this player list was?

It was seriously awesome and you're all awesome people.

Except for Shinobi. He killed me.


so salty

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