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Welp this is my first game in three years, and I'm excited as hell to start a new forum mafia game!
Don't be surprised if I turn out rusty or anything; like I may ask for explanations of acronyms, so bear with me this game.
VOTE: Cthulu Dreaming because the last thing I want to know about is what Cthulu is dreaming. Scummy as hell.ShowTheNewEx-Mod of EpicMafia!
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In post 10, Ciara24 wrote:
Didn't feel like it. I like to mix it up.
VOTE: Cthulhu Dreaming for having a name which I will struggle with throughout the game
You could always shorten Cthulu Dreaming to CD, that's not a valid complaint. And the OMGUS bus vote at the beginning of the game already? Wow.
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In post 14, juckter wrote:In post 12, TheWorst wrote:In post 10, Ciara24 wrote:
Didn't feel like it. I like to mix it up.
VOTE: Cthulhu Dreaming for having a name which I will struggle with throughout the game
You could always shorten Cthulu Dreaming to CD, that's not a valid complaint. And the OMGUSbusvote at the beginning of the game already? Wow.
FoS on Ciara24
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Why wouldn't you vote if you already found scum?
VOTE: TheWorst
Didn't you notice? I called it a bus, gonna bold it for ya. We lynch CD today, Ciara tomorrow.
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@CD Of course I'm just joking around, I thought I made it pretty clear. You prefer it to be serious, I'm guessing?
@SamX Why did you have your first game as a Mini Normal instead of a Newbie game? That would've been better for a newcomer like you (I assume) than here.ShowTheNewEx-Mod of EpicMafia!
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In post 26, SamX wrote:In post 24, TheWorst wrote:@CD Of course I'm just joking around, I thought I made it pretty clear. You prefer it to be serious, I'm guessing?
@SamX Why did you have your first game as a Mini Normal instead of a Newbie game? That would've been better for a newcomer like you (I assume) than here.
Oh. I've played Mafia before on a different forum so when I got here, I overlooked the Newbie games and went straight into this one. o-o
Well, I guess now you know that you probably should've gone to the Newbie games since they would've helped you out with the forums and terminology. You can still sign up for it now, or even replace a Newbie in here.
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PEdit: @Cthulu Only sounded serious after establishing the whole thing as a joke, if a bad one. But the wagon will never stop! You and Ciara are scumbuddies that will be lynched, mark my words!ShowTheNewEx-Mod of EpicMafia!
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In post 57, eventi wrote:In post 50, SamX wrote:Don't trust what profile says... I didn't join 2 days ago... I'm so NOT new...
You said you'd played on other sites, but not here. I was joking about your inconsistency before, but this is suspicious.
In post 51, Firebringer wrote:Hmmm
UNVOTE:
I almost lead a train on a veteran. Boy I feel silly.
How about you guys and gals?
Huh? I don't like this unvote. FoS on Firebringer (nice to be in another game with you though - cheers)
In post 55, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 50, SamX wrote:Don't trust what profile says... I didn't join 2 days ago... I'm so NOT new...
Any more new alts want to come out?
I'm not asking for you main name, btw.
An alt who doesn't know how to vote or EBWOP?
UNVOTE: SamX no more random
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God dammit, EDWOP. Accidentally pressed enter without clicking on my post.
These posts by SamX also has me confused. Is he a newcomer, or a veteran whose been on MafiaScum before?
Going a bit meta here, but it makes me look like a fool to have given advice to someone who actually knows what he's doing if that's the case. Not only that, he acted as if I was really was helping him out at post 29. This could be some sort of buddying as to make me feel better that I helped someone out.
I'd like for SamX to explain his actions and tell the truth. Let's get the discussion rolling in!
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In post 62, SamX wrote:@_@ She* and I'm 100% not a veteran. (The "I'm so NOT new..." was me being sarcastic) I've only played Mafia at camp a couple months ago and only 1 round on a different forum. I've never been on this forum before 2 days ago. So no alts, no previous MafiaScum experiences before this round, or much Mafia before this, in general
Man, you should know sarcasm doesn't translate well on the internet. Also, "I'm so NOT new" would've been better rephrased as "I'm NOT SO new", for better sarcasm.
UNVOTE: SamX
I believe her now. More of a nulltell if anything.
I'm gonna start trying to pose questions for everyone, since I don't think the RVS worked well enough to stir conversation.
Gonna try to give everyone hard questions, want them answered y'hear me? You can ask me a question if you want, that'll make it fair. Or ask your own questions for everyone, that'd be great too.
Spoiler: Questions for Everyone to Read
Some people didn't get hard questions since they barely posted enough to gimme something to work with.
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I posted with speed on that particular post because of the mistake; I wanted to correct it. And it was a pretty short post anyway, unlike this one which took me a while to make. And the meta in my post is that I mentioned the fact that I tried to help out SamX legitimately, I consider that a bit of meta. Maybe a crappy definition of meta, but my definition.@Gale
Also I disagree with you, I think that SamX's crappy sarcasm is a nulltell. I don't think she was trying to confuse us on purpose.
I honestly do appreciate your post though, something to get people talking.ShowTheNewEx-Mod of EpicMafia!
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Okay, I think my questions were worth it. I still need some responses from:SamX,Aeronaut, andSalamence. My questions are located on post 68. Here's some of my own responses now.
No not yet. That's one of the reasons I asked the questions; trying to shake off the dust of the ol' scumdar. I posed the read questions to people I couldn't really give questions to, by the way. I'll make a post eventually listing out my reads. Also, curious to see your input on the posts just made.
Spoiler: @Gale
@FirebringerI have to agree with Banana, you let Bacde go without posting anything substantial, and plenty of other people haven't given their input yet. Although I can see your point, it's been a bit since my last post.
@Cthulu DreamingAnything more to say about Banana? Your vote and scumread on him didn't lead to much of anything. Guessing something convinced you that he's town, or what?
@BacdeOk now you're just pushing it. This is definitely meta now. One thread over, on literally the same forum, you just got lynched while giving impassioned defense as town. Going off the game, you started somewhat serious. I don't know if it's because of the RVS of this game, because you're getting lynched in another game and don't feel like putting effort in this one, this is your typical playstyle early D1, or because you're scum here instead and don't want to put out as much effort in this game and lay back.
And don't say posts like "Who do I sheep?" or "Wtf starting before I confirm I didn't even get a chance to post in my QT!!!" are for real.
Whatever the case may be, I want you to give us SOMETHING. It's a bit frustrating to have someone actually play in one game, and treat the next one like a joke. Other people are treating this game seriously and trying to gather information, why don't you?
VOTE: Bacde
And I'm hoping for Aeronaut to get prodded.
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In post 103, eventi wrote:The Worst - I hope you don't get modkilled for 101.
You saying that for the thing against Bacde? Because I was attacking the playstyle, mainly. It would suck to be modkilled on my first game back.ShowTheNewEx-Mod of EpicMafia!
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Yep, understood.
@BacdeWhy don't you create an action if you're gonna complain about gigantic posts? Seems to me you're being more reactive than proactive, yet you talk about lack of actions.
Your actions so far have been nothing but goofing off, nothing actually substantive to create the reads you desire. Contradicting yourself right there.ShowTheNewEx-Mod of EpicMafia!
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In post 116, Bacde wrote:I never said I desire to make reads so I'm confused why you think I'm contradicting myswlf
Semantics. You IMPLY that you want reads, by saying that youstilldon't have any reads in 111, right before complaining about gigantic posts. And I think town GENERALLY would want reads in the first place, as to find the scum.
You might be apathetic town, but you can also be apathetic scum and honestly I don't see how a lynch on you wouldn't be beneficial considering your play thus far has been anti-town and frustrating.
I'd like to believe you're better than this though, both as scum and town.ShowTheNewEx-Mod of EpicMafia!
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In post 120, Bacde wrote:Cool theworst is town I have 1 read
Cool, you finally got a read and got people talking. Do you have any other reads now that you provoked conversation? You can't just stop there.
Also; something to note: Aeronaut has been posting in other games while ignoring us since his first post, and that's rather troublesome. I hope he gets the prod. (following the rules by saying this btw, it's ok to say that according to this thread)ShowTheNewEx-Mod of EpicMafia!
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Alright I feel as though Bacde has contributed enough now to warrant an unvote. That was my main gripe with him.
UNVOTE: Bacde
@BacdeCan you give us a read list since you're coming up with reads left and right now? Or at least explain the reads you didn't explain yet if you don't want to put out a wall, whatever works.
@FirebringerIf you're gonna say I'm scummy, can you at least explain it properly? Or do something? Look through my ISO or something. Banana's posts 97 and 121 were never addressed, by the way.
Also, your scumread on Cthulu goes in DIRECT contrast with your post 77. That was literally the only read you had for a while, now suddenly he's scummy? What changed your mind?
Wouldn't mind seeing your reads now as well, as you promised earlier.
@CthuluStill see something in Bacde at this point?
@SamXCan you read the MafiaScum wiki? Maybe that'll give you a feel for the game. After you read through the guides, I wanna know about your thoughts on Bacde and Ciara.
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Jesus, this happened.
I don't think Firebringer is obvious scum, but he's acting anti-town for sure. Him claiming does make things more complicated. The fact that he was put at L-1 is not good, and specifically he was put on L-1 by Salamence who hasn't been reading through the whole game until now.
Here's the thing Firebringer; what got me annoyed personally was that you wouldconstantlyignore people's posts. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if you ignored this post right now and instead responded to Salamence or something. You ignored information and questions and that is frustrating because we want responses and reactions to find scum.
I play EpicMafia, as a bit of meta on my part, my playstyle adapted to the mafiascum way of doing things. And that's a super aggressive site as well, or at least used to be. Klingon mentions that Banana came from the "ruthless place", and I think he adapted the best judging of the three from his playstyle. Hell, Klingon doesn't ignore posts like Firebringer does. Which is why I'm gonna color my post red and bold so maybe I speak to Firebringer somehow and get his attention.
@Klingon This is like, the most you've given us ever, and it's not even helpful for town, just some meta. Can you more post like that?
@Gale ISO is right next to the post number, which is to the right of your avatar, It's called Isolation, nifty thing that allows you view only one person's posts. Of course, at the bottom, you can mess around with the display posts by user, where you can add users and stuff and it's all great fun.
@Salamence Banana you said was town in response to my question, then you don't mention him again. Guessing he's null for you now? What changed your mind, I find him quite town myself. Also you're right, I don't understand why no one called you out for your vote on him, it's mind-numbingly silly.
Also sidenote, the hell does "townbloc'd" mean?
I'm gonna try to analyze and scumhunt later in the day, or tomorrow maybe but it should be today. I think enough info has come out finally to
The only thing I'm worried about is that Aeronaut slot, which might get replaced soon.
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@FirebringerUnless you're gonna be stubborn and refuse to help out town. Or if you're scum. Maybe both.Give your reads then like you said you were gonna... or just contribute.
Also you have a bandwagon on you that could give you a ton of information if you really ARE town by looking through and noticing faulty reasoning, etc. No one can give reads based on the bandwagon better than you can... Also this isn't me telling you how to play, merely a suggestion.
I know I said I was going try to give reads, but I don't feel 100% confident in any of them besides some town readslooking through the day. There's still 9 days as mentioned before, I feel as though I still need just a bit more info down the stretch as this game has me going all over the place so far.after
Banana hit the nail on the head just now, although he said "level of stupid"... I dunno, about level of stupid, a bit rude. I just find myself increasingly frustrated, but idk how the current meta is so I'm willing to give everyone in here the benefit of the doubt. Also there's inactive people in here (like Aeronaut was to an extreme), which screws up everything.
@KlingonInterestingly, Firebringer also has upwards of 9 games he's currently playing as well. You guys bog yourselves down too much, that could affect your play.
Anyway, why are you voting Gale? Do you truly feel that Gale was trying not to be noticed, as you said? Explain.
@SalaI was curious enough to check it out, so here's the link that you wanted. Unless I'm mistaken, I think you copied the wrong thing.
@SamXPLEASE give me anything, read through the game, please. Look at the mafiascum wiki as well for more help, but seriously. I want your next post to be something productive, a pressure vote, anything.
@CiaraWhat don't you understand about Bacde's read on you? All you did was quote him pushing votes on you, look through his ISO.
@JuckterI want an update on your read on Firebringer and the wagon on him that followed after your post.
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I'll bite, how did Banana lie about meta? In what way? What's the truth so I can believe you?
Bacde wrote:You know I'm a g cuz I made it on to Sam's reads list
SamX wrote:
SUPER TOWN- TheWorst (It's pretty obvious, right?)
I got super town though, I'm more than a g, I'm a gg for scum.
BUT seriously, good on you Sam that was decent. Use bold for FoS to get people's attention.
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A lot of people were inactive and are gonna catch up later, which is why the town has been more stagnant than usual lately. This includes Cthulu, Juckter, Gale, Klingon, SamX... Not even mentioning the current inactives. I do want to hear from the guys catching up though.
@FirebringerWhy do you refuse to give your reads? Also how are you so sure there's a third scum? What do you think of Klingon's response to your question here: Post 296
I also think your Banana case is pretty weak, it's based on meta I have no idea of.
In post 307, Ciara24 wrote:I'm undecided with Firebringer and Banana because all I see in their posts is Firebringer continuing to ignore questions from Banana andBanana getting frustratedso I don't know what to make of that
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In post 321, Firebringer wrote:Banana started with meta play using other site, I just piled on.
Her behavior here is vastly different then on that site.
Whether that means scum or not I wanna try to find out.
That's true that Banana did start with the meta, but while having legitimate non-meta points otherwise. She was confused whyyouwere playing differently, then you snapped back and said she lied about the meta, voted her, called her complete scum...
Now you're still figuring out if she's scum? Trying to understand whyBananais playing differently as well?
You do realize that you're now claimingthe same thingas Banana says against you, correct?
This meta won't get us anywhere. And Banana has legit points against you that aren't meta related anyway, can you address them? Or at least, try to come up with something that isn't meta on Banana, because I'm not seeing it otherwise.
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Firebringer wrote:I am fine with your play style bacde.
I actually think you are likely town.
Firebringer, why are you fine with a playstyle that you actually consider ineffective?
You said it yourself multiple times, that Ciara seems town. Therefore, Bacde isn't doing his job at finding scum according to your read and is currently tunneling a town read of yours. And you haven't really done anything to convince him otherwise.
Bacde, have you ever considered that Ciara might view you as bad town if she townreads you? She seems more confused than anything if you've looked at her recent posts, and doesn't understand your reasoning. Why do you find it scummy that she does townread you exactly?
Still waiting for other inactives like Gale and Cthulu.
I think we should start talking about lynches once they come back, before the entire town stops posting out of lack of motivation and inactivity.
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In post 371, Firebringer wrote:stuff
You misunderstood my post.
You calledBacde'splaystyle fine, yet your town read is on Ciara and his top scum read to lynch is on Ciara.
If Bacde's playstyle is fine like you said (and if he's town like you said), he would've convinced you that Ciara is scum. But he hasn't convinced you of anything, correct me if I'm wrong. And you haven't convinced him to suspect anyone else either.
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I want to hearCiara'stop scum read as well. Reread the game if need be.
@EventiHow did Firebringer let go of the Banana thing? He still talks about lynching her and his vote is still on her.
@SalaHow do you seem so sure on Eventi? Could you explain? What convinced you, is what I'm getting at.
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In post 416, Gale Wing Srock wrote:In post 415, TheWorst wrote:
@GaleCan you hurry it up with the rereading? You don't have to analyze every little tiny thing; you can save that for Day 2. We havethree daysuntil the day is over, that's why I'm advising you to hurry up.
Is there something that you would like me to address TheWorst? I am rereading to build up on my reads list, which I don't think I need to share on Day 1? I am just doing it to keep up with the game more than anything else right now.
If you want me to answer about anything specific then let me know, I will just read up on those real quick.
Hmmm... The first 9 pages is where stuff got interesting, the next 8 since will help you keep on track with the current conversation, but I don't think it's as substantial. Maybe you can find a read from it though.
I'd like to know specifically your thoughts on Klingon's vote on you. Look at his ISO and find it, which you can do by going to the bottom of the page right below the reply box, click on where it says "Display posts by all users", click on Klingon and go. ISO 20 is where he explains his read on you.
Not sure what else specifically.
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Honestly I was about to remind everyone thatand that is huge, and should've been an autolynch in hindsight as it's D1.Firebringer claimed VT
But then the bandwagon's momentum dissipated, for one reason or another. Just as fast as it started.
But let's look at the current wagons, examine all of them.
Firebringer'slynch would give us the most info out of all possible flips, mainly in due part to the wagon that formed on him (pretty much the only major wagon so far) and the discussion that came from it. Not to mention the fact I kept finding him scummy and inconsistent throughout the game, I'm not entirely convinced it's just his playstyle either.
I have my eye onEventi, I do see him as buddying Banana and being pretty damn indecisive right now. He's not responding well to pressure at all.
At the same time,Salahas been tunneling him and defending Firebringer all game with less reason than Bacde on Ciara, so I don't know what to think about those two. It's possible that one scum lurks between them, might be good for info between those two.
AndCiarais the wildcard bandwagon, she hasn't done much to avoid suspicion, and I still haven't seen her top scumread... Her inactivity is worrisome as well. I'll decide on her next post.
I can see the reasoning for each wagon, so I could be convinced otherwise...
But on a pure information flip basis (also the fact that he already claimed), Firebringer trumps all of these choices.
The info we gather today on Day 1 is what gets us scum. Lynching someone else gives us the possibility of lynching a PR as well.
So for now, that's where my vote will go. VOTE: Firebringer
Klingon is right on one thing: town lacks cohesiveness right now, we need to come together to agree on a lynch. 2 days left.
Also, hi Hermit, would like to hear your perspective.ShowTheNewEx-Mod of EpicMafia!
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In post 446, Firebringer wrote:My flip will tell you jack shit.
Won't help you figuring out anyone's alignment.
Explain whose alignment it confirms with my flip of town?
Banana's meta that you don't play like how you usually do would implicate her for sure, Klingon's quick unvote after your claim would be noted, Bacde didn't go on the wagon despite being an easy lynch to switch to, etc. There's plenty to learn from that wagon. You can't 100% confirm anything in mafia though, unless you're a PR, even then. Town has to work with the limited info we have.
How are you so sure on Fire's alignment? What proves that he's legit town if you believe in him that much?
And a no lynch? On Day fuckin' 1? Overreaction, much? Come on.
I'll wait for Ciara's read list before I decide if she's a good lynch.
Also wonder where Bacde is.ShowTheNewEx-Mod of EpicMafia!
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Late night shenanigans, anyone?
Sala, that was an unnecessary claim honestly. I do believe you just judging by your attitude and all, but I hope you realize it wasn't necessary at all, ESPECIALLY since it's Day 1. I can understand your play now that you claimed though.
Eventi reallyreallybothers me with post 462, he's not even taking this seriously, even after all the discussion right before.
Hermit also gave us nothing but an unvote. That's it.
It's pretty clear that the Firebringer wagon isn't going anywhere, that's about what I expected. Last thing I want is a no lynch, so whatever.
UNVOTE: Firebringer
I still standby what I said earlier, but Day 1 has been officially a clusterfuck. Two claims, rivalries starting, gut over reason, info don't matter etc etc.
Basically, the game is crazy.
I have no qualms with an Eventi lynch, none at all.
VOTE: Eventi
This puts Eventi as L-3. I'll unvote if he's put at L-1 if Ciara didn't post yet, unless it's like really close to the deadline so I won't take chances.
I want to see if Bacde's tunneling really meant anything, and Ciara's reads could offer one last good piece of info before Day 1 wraps up.
Eventi needs to come up reads or something. Give me something. Now is the time.ShowTheNewEx-Mod of EpicMafia!
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Oh I guess I was three for three. Nice.
Well this was a shame. Dunno what else to say. Good job scum, I called it (on my second try), it was the nicest mafia of all time.
They even sent us dead people a saccharine as hell message to apologize.
I'll gingerly add this loss now, this sucks.ShowTheNewEx-Mod of EpicMafia!
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I usually like to leave comments on everyone who played. Since I only appeared on Day 1, I probably don't have as much to say as I would've.
Even people who got replaced gets one. Besides Aeronaut, literally one post.
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