Mini 1705: Game Over

[Klingoncelt]

Good morning, everyone.

VOTE: BananaCucho

For the lulz.

[Klingoncelt]

Good morning, everyone.

VOTE: BananaCucho

For the lulz.

I saw you in my spooky Mormon hell dream last night.

It was only a dream. I'm not a Mormon, I'm a witch.

[Klingoncelt]

Is there a difference?

Yeah, I can drink whatever I want.

[Klingoncelt]

Don't trust what profile says... I didn't join 2 days ago... I'm so NOT new...

Any more new alts want to come out?

I'm not asking for you main name, btw.

[Klingoncelt]

Questions for Everyone to Read

@Klingoncelt

Thoughts on SamX right now, since she claimed she's not an alt?

I don't know.

If she's telling the truth, then she's young enough and noob enough to make some major slips as Scum.

Thing is, she hasn't been completely honest.

I'll put her in the Scum pile right now. However, if this really is her first game on the site I'm reluctant to lynch her on Day 1.

That's "reluctant," not "refusing."

[Klingoncelt]

Pretty good.

Got any reads?

So far I am suspecting Klingon but it's just basically cause she hasn't said much.

This early in the game I don't have much to say. Counting you I know 4 players, and I don't have any reads on any of you yet.

[Klingoncelt]

Hmmm so who is your top scum read so far klingon??

I don't have one yet. I'm going to look more at Bacde and Cthulhu for now.

[Klingoncelt]

Get well, soon, Cthulhu.

UNVOTE: UNVOTE:

VOTE: Firebringer

[Klingoncelt]

you don't see them?

Nothing

He's bullshitting you, Sam. There's no votecount there.

[Klingoncelt]

nvm

[Klingoncelt]

UNVOTE:

I believe you.

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Gale Wing Srock

Seems to be going under the radar.

[Klingoncelt]

It is customary when you are about to be lynched to claim you role.

How do you play? Keep information even to the end? That's no way to play town.

About to be lynched == someone has declared intent to hammer, not someone voted you to L-1.

Not anymore.

I suggest you don't sign up for any games with Ika or Boonskiies.

[Klingoncelt]

It is customary when you are about to be lynched to claim you role.

How do you play? Keep information even to the end? That's no way to play town.

About to be lynched == someone has declared intent to hammer, not someone voted you to L-1.

Not anymore.

I suggest you don't sign up for any games with Ika or Boonskiies.

I'm aware of both of them.

I don't understand the Meta references, and there may be a few others as well, like SamX? So please explain them a bit more when you use them?

Also I am assuming that Ika and Boonskiies stealth hammer at L-1 when they are town? (Or atleast have that reputation)

There's not a bit of stealth about it, someone gets to L-1 with either of those two in the game (or L-2 if they're both in it,) they'll swoop in and hammer at the first opportunity.

And it's not alignment indicative.

Nor is it with anyone anymore. In fact recent site meta throws suspicion on the person that suspects whoever hammered.

[Klingoncelt]

Sorry for the consecutive posts, but is there a way to efficiently maintain reads list in a notepad?

Like for example: I list the names of players. Then mention the post numbers that give me some reads for each of them (with an appropriate caption) next to their name.

But I am not sure if it is an efficient way to do it, how do you guys do it?

I use a Notepad.

Wordpad gives you more options.

I know a couple of mods use Google Spreadsheets.

Or you could use an oldschool pen & notebook.

Whatever's easiest for you to organize & keep up with.

[Klingoncelt]

Now I can see why I should've joined a newbie game first... What is meta? @_@

The collection of data on a player that indicates his/her/its/their playstyle as Town, as Scum, as 3rd Party.

[Klingoncelt]

There's not a bit of stealth about it, someone gets to L-1 with either of those two in the game (or L-2 if they're both in it,) they'll swoop in and hammer at the first opportunity.

And

it's not alignment indicative

.

Nor is it with anyone anymore. In fact

recent site meta throws suspicion on the person that suspects whoever hammered

.

But its blatantly cutting the discussion short! I don't understand how that strategy can be protown.

And could you explain why the recent site meta throws suspicion on the person that suspects whoever hammered? Idgi @_@

You are officially asking for policy lynch.

I said to lynch me if you think I am scum. Do you think so? Then do so.

I am not asking for a policy lynch. You claimed Vanilla town! That is an important reveal, and we have to consider if it is genuine or not. But your behavior and your arguments are making the claim incredible. That is, it is hard for us to believe it to be true. I am just trying to keep an open mind while thinking if your claim can be true, but your acidic behavior is just a turn off for that.

I am just going to keep my vote on you. Because I think that the chances of you being Scum are greater, and that you are trying to pull a WIFOM on us into thinking that you are town.

Site meta changes over time. When a certain thing becomes commonplace, Scum will shift to a different tactic.

It used to be that scum would hammer. More recently, the Scumteam will spread themselves out on a wagon, hiding themselves in among the Townies, voting close by a Townie's vote. It's easier for them to hide that way.

The hammerer isn't always playing to Town's best interests, but most often they're Town.


Oh, and Firebringer isn't as toxic as you think. I play sometimes on the site he, Banana, and Ika come from, the playerbase is ruthless over there. Toxic is on a

good

day.

You're going to have to toughen up, Gale. This site isn't Happy Fun Play School.

[Klingoncelt]

@Klingon This is like, the most you've given us ever, and it's not even helpful for town, just some meta. Can you more post like that?

Regardless of alignment I don't post much on Day 1 unless I know most of the players.

Plus like an idiot I am in 10 games right now, counting this one and a large one at SC2 ("ruthless" )

Also I had some super horrible RL to deal with. On that front things are starting to ease up, so I can focus a little bit more.

So I'll post what I can. Deadline is a whole 9 days off, so I should have something here before then.

[Klingoncelt]

What the fuck?

The game Im trying to link to is RC's micro where I said scum dont post walls.

Yes they do.

[Klingoncelt]

@Klingon

Interestingly, Firebringer also has upwards of 9 games he's currently playing as well. You guys bog yourselves down too much, that could affect your play.
Anyway, why are you voting Gale? Do you truly feel that Gale was trying not to be noticed, as you said? Explain.

Some games I just couldn't resist, one was supposed to start like 2 months before it finally did, and a couple started WAY sooner than I thought they would.

Gale's V/LA until Saturday, so I guess there won't be much contributing.

There's something about him being a newbie and posting like that... looks more like a new SE...

[Klingoncelt]

Klingon what's your opinions on Banana??

I dunno yet.

Eventi's right, you have been ignoring Banana.

[Klingoncelt]

A wagon on banana is better.

Banana is good at faking town. Blending in with environment.

I.E not to be trusted.

July 10, 2015

Did you not read previous posts where Banana provided a link to game we played in together??

The 3 of us were in an insane large that just ended over there if anyone wants the links.

[Klingoncelt]

I had some RL to take care of, so I'm running behind. (It's not like the Magic Dirt Fairies will fly in and clean the house for me.)

I'll bbl with some content or a reads list or something.

[Klingoncelt]

I have a reads list.

TOWN
Klingoncelt
Eventi
SamX

LEAN TOWN
BananaCucho
Ciara24
Firebringer

NULL
Duppin/(Aeronaut)
Juckter

LEAN SCUM
Bacde, as in Jester-like
Cthulhu Dreaming
Gale Wing Srock
TheWorst

SCUM
Salamence20

[Klingoncelt]

Interesting list. I don't agree with it at all though, but oh well.

Why do you think Salamence is scum, and why is your vote not on him?

It's kind of a gut thing. Sal is "reading" others, but not elaborating in the slightest, not about anyone. Not asking a lot of questions, either.

Not giving any reasoning at all makes it easier to avoid scumslips - and scrutiny after a mislynch.


Yes, I can put my vote there.

VOTE: Salamence

[Klingoncelt]

Prodge-ing.

I'm not seeing a lot of cohesiveness... we may end up with not achieving a lynch this Day.

Firebringer's got the biggest wagon, but one voter's being replaced, one's a crossvote, so that just leaves Gale.

Ciara's the #2 wagon. Bacde may be Scum, and I have Duppin as Null...

I'm going to have to re-read and think on this a bit.

[Klingoncelt]

Okay, then, vote for Salamence or Eventi.

I think everyone should move away from the Fire/Banana pissfight for now. It's clouding judgement.

[Klingoncelt]

Hi, St Constantine!

[Klingoncelt]

VC 1.13

Salamence20 (2)-

Klingoncelt, Banana Cucho

Firebringer (4)-

St Constantine the Hermit, Gale Wing Srock, eventi, The Worst

eventi (2)-

Salamence20, Firebringer

Ciara24 (2)-

Bacde24, duppin

Not Voting (3)-

Cthulhu Dreaming, Ciara24, SamX

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2015-08-19 20:00:00) - Aug 19th 19:00 GMT

I'm completely hating the Firebringer wagon.

I can't do it. I'm going to re-read Salamence20, Ciara24, and Eventi. Perhaps we can agree on one of them.

[Klingoncelt]

Oh, @Gale - that was a pretty good wallpost you made. Not entirely accurate, but it shows that you're paying attention. Good job.

[Klingoncelt]

Actually fuck it. Mafia wont kill me no matter what because Im a wifom bomb.

Im a town rolecop.

Now the people either force No-Lynch you wagon Eventi. Its your fucking choice

You claimed with 2 votes on you? Jebus.

UNVOTE: Salamence20

[Klingoncelt]

I read through Firebringer, Salamence20, Ciara24, and Eventi.

Firebringer and Salamence both claimed. I'm suspicious as all get out of Sal, but I have to table that vote until at least D2.

Between Ciara24, and Eventi... I got a gut ping while reading Eventi. He seems very casually confident, very relaxed... if this game had neighborhoods or masons or Night 0 investigations then it wouldn't bug me so much. He's the slimiest of them all, and probably the scummiest.

VOTE: Eventi

[Klingoncelt]

...
I am not sure why you made this post right in-between my spat with Firebringer. This was how I was distracted last time too

Anyways Klingoncelt, now that I found that question again, could you answer why you believed Firebringer's claim immediately?

Klingoncelt, Could you answer the question in bold?

Also what do you think is not accurate in your PBPA?

And I am surprised you took the time to read the post and mention that it was good, but skipped the question that was asked at you in that post o_0[/quote]

I reply to posts as I come to them. Usually I'm online late evening and overnight when most players are in be, and there are several pages to read through.

And... if we all waited around to let everyone have their individual conversations nothing useful would ever get accomplished.

I believed Fires claim because I didn't have a strong scumread on him to begin with. That, plus most D1 claims are enough to cause one to unvote for the time being.

[Klingoncelt]

I'll have to go back and re-read that wallpost, Gale. It was pretty long. I'll find the question and answer it. As for the parts I disagree with, I don't do wallposts myself.

[Klingoncelt]

Going to bed now.

G'night all.

[Klingoncelt]

I don't like this at all. I didn't want to vote for Eventi

I don't understand when we have scummy people like Klingoncelt and Firebringer, why we end up voting for a Townie.

I don't like Salamence for making me vote Eventi tbh

I am really depressed right now.

Don't play that crap.

[Klingoncelt]

What I want to know is, why did Scum kill TheWorst?

I've got some ISOing to do.

[Klingoncelt]

At first glance it looks like he was taken out for being a Town Leader type, although there were a couple players he was pressuring.

I'll re-read Day1 after I get some sleep.

Firebringer

, that's a curious thing to say. Why should Town want to lynch one of their own? Why not say you're going to work hard to find the evil Scums?

[Klingoncelt]

Hey guys! I am the one who sent in the night kill on TheWorst last night!

Who are we lynching today?

Constantine, are you aware that this is game-throwing? You'll probably get banned for it.

VOTE: St Constantine the Hermit

[Klingoncelt]

What I want to know is, why did Scum kill TheWorst?

I've got some ISOing to do.

Implying you don't know why you killed him.

So anyway, how do you guys feel about a Ciara train today?[

Useless post.

I'm Town. Apparently you aren't.

[Klingoncelt]

]Salamence your reads are bad broseph

Today we Lynch either Ciara or Kling, I'm tired of being ignored

Also who is Yukari? Sounds like a misdirection from Kling and Ciara

As long as anyone is pushing for my lynch they should be ignored.

Make a case for Ciara.

[Klingoncelt]

Anyone have any thoughts on Gale's redirection to me as a basis to defend himself?

Gale's play today is creeping me out.

He's gone from total noob mode to posting like an IC in a noob game to deciding he's figured out the Scumteam at the start of Day2.

I don't like telling noobs to shut up and sit down while the big kids talk, but as long as you're acting so skeevy, Gale, you need to take a back seat and see how it's done.

If you come up with some actual useful information, then post it.

[Klingoncelt]

Sidebar: How are roles set up in this mini? Are they private and random? o-o

It looks like the standard Matrix 6 setup:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Matrix6


Roles are usually randomized here.

[Klingoncelt]

Day 1 lynches are almost always Vanilla Townies.

Scum lynches usually start happening around Day 3.

[Klingoncelt]

I don't like this at all. I didn't want to vote for Eventi

I don't understand when we have scummy people like Klingoncelt and Firebringer, why we end up voting for a Townie.

I don't like Salamence for making me vote Eventi tbh

I am really depressed right now.

Heres the issue with it.

She has expierence with mafia, so she understands that people are wrong sometimes and get mislynched. Why would she feel guilty about it? Is she perfect at mafia?

Because I almost want to counterwagon it

Agreed.

[Klingoncelt]

I should have stayed with my first instinct.

UNVOTE: St Constantine the Hermit, who is acting like a Jester, and

VOTE: Gale Wing Srock

for trying to wagon obvtown Klingon.

[Klingoncelt]

@Banana -

I have trouble reading both you and Fire. One thing I do know, you could both be Town, or you could be Town/Scum, but I'm positive that you're not both Scum trying to bus each other.

It will all shake out in the next Day or two.

[Klingoncelt]

I should have stayed with my first instinct.

UNVOTE: St Constantine the Hermit, who is acting like a Jester, and

VOTE: Gale Wing Srock

for trying to wagon obvtown Klingon.

Let's unvote Fire for being shit "town"

Let's unvote a noncontributing, trolling shit player who is acting like a jester.

GOD Klingon and after I make an ass of myself defending you as a town lean WTF. Let's leave ALL the scummy anti town players alive so they can mislynch each other in LYLO. FANTASTIC idea. I mean can't you at least wait for the mod to decide to modkill him?

She's trying to start a wagon on me.

Her only "case" is that I chose to vote Eventi when it was clear that we were headed for a No Lynch.

She's Scum, 'Naners.

[Klingoncelt]

This is your "case" against me???

I believed Fires claim because I didn't have a strong scumread on him to begin with. That, plus most D1 claims are enough to cause one to unvote for the time being.

Its not a credible reason to me.

If you didn't have a strong scum read on him, then why vote him in the first place? I am not saying that you shouldn't have unvoted, but you didn't reason it for one bit. Instead immediately accepted it as though you wanted to accept it, like lynching him would be a bad thing for you (Personally).

It would be a bad thing to knowingly lynch a claimed Townie. Didn't they teach you that in Scum School?

No one had mentioned an intention to hammer, except for SamX's fleeting question to end the day early. I didn't see any reason for you to unvote immediately, and I think that you were trying to vote him to make sure that both of you are not connected together. But when you saw that he was at L-1 and was at the risk of getting lynched, you panicked and decided to unvote him?

L-1 is L-1. Nobody has to post intent, there are times when someone hammers with no warning. If a claim is made AT ANY POINT and I believe it, I'm unvoting.

Regardless of Firebringer's alignment, this is extremely scummy. Because you could have voted for a town Firebringer, and saw that your scum buddy had voted for him too, and didn't want to be mapped along with your scum buddy so you unvoted the first chance you got?

And if Firebringer is scum, then your unvote is suspicious too as you wouldn't want your scum buddy to be lynched because of your vote on him?

This has to be the dumbest thing I've ever read here. Regardless of his alignment? If I'm Town, I'm not going to willingly lynch him as Town.

If he and I were both Scum do you really think that I and a third Scum would bus him on fucking DAY ONE???

Whatever is your reason to unvote him, it definitely doesn't seem like the one you mentioned. You could have waited to see if anyone was hammering, and we could have found a scum that way too. But you unvoted as though you 'had to' at that point.

Okay, you're reaching here.

Do not ever, under any circumstances, EVER, try to convince players here that you're a mindreader. Biggest mistake anyone can make, regardless of alignment.

You're trying way too hard to make me fit into some weirdass scenario that just doesn't work.

I can't believe I am doing this, but however small the margin of error is with Firebringer's lynch, I think your lynch is better since regardless of his alignment you appear to be scummy.

No I don't.


But you certainly do.

[Klingoncelt]

What I want to know is, why did Scum kill TheWorst?

I've got some ISOing to do.

Implying you don't know why you killed him.

So anyway, how do you guys feel about a Ciara train today?[

Useless post.

I'm Town. Apparently you aren't.

So you think I am scum for calling you out?

And if I am scum, why don't you vote me?

You never "called me out."

I'm not sure if you're Scum or not. But you look like it when you act that way.

"... you don't know why you killed him." Show the class how I killed him, please. Present some evidence.

You aren't doing Town any favors at all acting that way, so yeah, yer pretty scummeh.

But my vote's on Gale right now, he's even worse than you are.

[Klingoncelt]

Just answer this question: Didn't any question cross your mind after seeing his claim?

First of all, I'm not into wallposts. tl;dr, I'm certainly not going to answer questions from a post as long as a Tolstoy novel.

Limit yourself to 5 questions per post, keep your questions very brief and to the point.

Answering the quetion:

Yes, I have my doubts. But I also know Fire. As Scum he's more likely to claim some bullshit role like Bulletproof 2-Shot Neighborizer, or Sheriff Jailkeeper, or Unlynchable Cabbage Merchant.

He might be Scum. If he is, he'll falter long before Lylo, he always does.

[Klingoncelt]

I've made multiple posts outlining my reasoning for why Ciara is scum

I dare you to explain why you think Gale the obvtown is scum

This goes for you too salamence

Gale is not obvtown.

[Klingoncelt]

*sigh*

I chose wrong last time, I'll sheep today. Plus I'm not too sure about the other 2 players voting for Gale.

VOTE: Ciara24

[Klingoncelt]

Gawd I wish I were a dayvig.

[Klingoncelt]

I actually might be willing to lynch klingon or salamence

No Townie wants to lynch the Klingon chick.

[Klingoncelt]

Gale is confirmed scum

Are you claiming Cop, Tracker, or Watcher?

[Klingoncelt]

Bah!

Hi, Eventi. Sorry.

[Klingoncelt]

St.C is a Jester.

St.C, explain why Gale is Scum or no one will vote for him.

[Klingoncelt]

@Klingoncelt

If I am a Jester, then why would I bother doing town shit?

You aren't doing town shit, you're shitting all over Town.

You haven't yet said how you know Gale is Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

Also there is no Jester in this setup, read the Normal game guidelines (Its listed in the OP).

Mods are allowed to use 1 non-normal role in a game.

[Klingoncelt]

Just got stabbed in the arm by a broken glass accident.. suuxx <>

I hope you're okay.

[Klingoncelt]

Also there is no Jester in this setup, read the Normal game guidelines (Its listed in the OP).

Mods are allowed to use 1 non-normal role in a game.

Are you serious? Jester is actually allowed? Welp that makes more sense now

Not Jester specifically, but 1 of the non-normal roles or modifiers. That it is allowed does not mean that the mod will utilize it.

Saint C could be trippin' balls for all I know.

[Klingoncelt]

13. Breaking one of these rules may, at my discretion, result in a modkill. If you are modkilled, you will become a Neutral Survivor, and will not win with your faction, regardless of the outcome. Modkills made during a day phase will generally punish the offending faction (A modkill on town will end the phase, a modkill on scum will not), however, circumstances depending, there may be exceptions to this.

Question: if a scum is modkilled is it not announced in the thread? Since it doesn't end the day phase?

It may or may not end the Day. Depends on how pissed off the Mod gets, I think. The modkill is always announced, the player is listed as Neutral or Non-aligned.

[Klingoncelt]

It says it somewhere. I can't remember...

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Gale

Told you so

If Gale were Scum, shouldn't you have been the NK?

[Klingoncelt]

I blame everyone, mostly me. I suck with Banana in games, she is impossible to figure out.

For all I know the team is: Banana, Samx, and Klingoncelt.

You could try reading people.

Why lump me (and Sam for that matter) in with Banana?

Elaborate.

[Klingoncelt]

Im gonna wait on voting fire til im more comfortable, even though i am highly suspicious of her

Hey at least yukari died amirite guys???

You don't seem too unhappy about Yukari's death...

I noticed that too.

VOTE: Bacde

[Klingoncelt]

Banana, Fire, both of you shut up.

Your pissfest isn't helping either of your cases against each other.

There are at least 3 Scum in this game. Who are your 2nd and 3rd choices?

[Klingoncelt]

Banana, Fire, both of you shut up.

Your pissfest isn't helping either of your cases against each other.

There are at least 3 Scum in this game. Who are your 2nd and 3rd choices?

This pissfest won't end till I am ten feet under.

Can we lynch him before Barcode? Please?

As long as you 2 are flipping out on each other Town can't get anything done. Vote for one of your other choices.

You too, Fire.

[Klingoncelt]

Banana, Fire, both of you shut up.

Your pissfest isn't helping either of your cases against each other.

There are at least 3 Scum in this game. Who are your 2nd and 3rd choices?

This pissfest won't end till I am ten feet under.

[Klingoncelt]

Waiting for gale to out.

Yes... where is he???

[Klingoncelt]

You two are making so much oise that I can't decide.

Maybe you both are Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

*noise

[Klingoncelt]

Salamence is scum and we need to lynch him, does anyone just want to lynch him now?

Pretty sure we dont get a say after lynching town.

Okay Bacde, someone needs to put you in your goddamn place.

You are either the most obvious scum ever, or just horrible ass town.

You have been wrong on Ciara who you tunneled extremely hard, failed to make a case on them but we followed anyways. You now call me, sala, and kling scum.

I know you are wrong on me, and I am assuming now just because what you said Sala and Kling are town because YOU HAVE BEEN SO WRONG.

Conclusion: Bacde you get no more say, you follow our vote and shut up.

^ ^ ^ yep.

[Klingoncelt]

BananaCucho: 117 posts
Firebringer: 116 posts
Bacde: 108 posts

These are the top 3 posters and there's been precious little content between them.

Banana, Fire, the cripple fight has gone retarded. If you aren't Scum, ignore each other and focus on the game. Otherwise I'm going to try to get policy lynches on both of you over the next couple of days.

But today, Bacde needs to die.

[Klingoncelt]

ok cool I appreciate you guys leaving me alive klingon and salamence and fire but can you please not be so smug about it I'm trying to convince the actual town why you are scum

I voted for you. I want you dead. You are Scum (and badly playing it.)

[Klingoncelt]

klingon, what is your read on salamence?

Null.

[Klingoncelt]

if you dont respond you are scum I see you posting I KNOW YOU ARE ONLINE

I have half a dozen windows open at a time. I'm online everywhere, and often nowhere near the computer. I was fixing and eating dinner with the family for the past hour and a half.

[Klingoncelt]

Banana, Fire, the cripple fight has gone retarded. If you aren't Scum, ignore each other and focus on the game. Otherwise I'm going to try to get policy lynches on both of you over the next couple of days.

But today, Bacde needs to die.

Really??? This post is a defense of Fire. You want to push a policy lynch this late in the game? On both of us? When Fire started all this bullshit day 1 and you believed his VT claim so wholeheartedly? What makes what he's doing today different than then? This post has me raising my eyebrows through the ceiling at you.

I'm going to VOTE: Bacde unless he comes up with a convincing post as to why I shouldn't. Still suspicious of him on post 836...

Still ignoring Fire! Why is everyone ignoring Fire's bullshit!!

vote salamence

You misspelled Fire!

I give no fucks about who started it.

Both of you stop it.

Endless fighting wrecks the game.

Only Scum try to wreck the game.

[Klingoncelt]

We'll lynch Bacde today and sort out Fire/Banana tomorrow.

[Klingoncelt]

Duppin, what say you?

[Klingoncelt]

Milktank's VCA brought to you by your town rolecop!

This makes Klingon a good scum candidate since she was on all three giant wagons here. Fire was also on the two that weren't him. There is atleast 1 scum candidate there and I believe Klingon is more likely scum than Fire, who I feel is VI and this fighting between him/eventi/Banana is stupid. Gale is town who has a deathwish, and Constantine is vanilla, so whatever. I think SamX is scum off the wagon.

Rereading now, but I feel Klingon should die today now.

VCAs are no longer a thing here, Sala. Too inaccurate.

Whenever I am Scum I make sure that the team shuffles their votes around. No way would I have been on all 3 wagons, because I'd know who was & wasn't Town.

I'm Town.

If you're really a Cop, investigate me.

[Klingoncelt]

Salamance doesn't want to mention that he was on all 3 wagons as well.

He also takes the time to highlight his name in green. I always think its funny when people do that, "reading" or "self confirming" themselves. You shouldn't have to tell us you are town, we should know that by your actions.

Quit hardcore defending Fire and pushing on the towniest player here.

UNVOTE: Bacde

VOTE: Salamence

[Klingoncelt]

Salamence stole my THUNDER

But I am glad he did it, because whatever I tell you guys about Klingoncelt, is going unnoticed since Day 1. I got the same feeling going through the Vote Counts and the flips. Still have to look into night kills, but I think this is enough evidence for a lynch today. She is definitely scummy and there is something between her and Firebringer that has eluded everyone.

Gale, pay attention: Firebringer, Banana, and I also play on another site. Firebringer and I raise a bit of hell over there. Banana is better behaved but got treated badly (I missed exactly what happened) so she's not there so much. The shit that went down there affects her play here. Firebringer's too.

Gale, I've had a bad feeling about you since Day 1 as well. You talk like a noob, but you play like robot Scum.

Salamence needs lynched today, and you need to be lynched tomorrow.

[Klingoncelt]

Oh shit, was that hammer?

[Klingoncelt]

Banana,

We all have people we can't play with.

Best thing to do is to not sign up for any games you see them signed up for. If they sign up for a game after you have already, PM the game mod and let them know you blacklisted that player, and give the reason why. The mod will have to choose between the two of you, and the choice depends on the mod.

For now, the two of you can put each other on imaginary ignore.

[Klingoncelt]

... Duppin is now going for Klingoncelt, although it could just be busing? Idk.

Duppin hasn't posted here this Day.

You must have mixed up this thread with the Scumchat thread.

[Klingoncelt]

Hmm, it makes sense. But Salamence claimed Role Cop, does that mean that he fake claimed?

Darn, this needs more thinking.

I was a Mafia Role Cop in a game a while back.

Role Cops tend to be Mafia, but not always.

Town Role Cops usually appear when there are 3rd Parties or in games with lots of PRs.

Usually.

[Klingoncelt]

... Duppin is now going for Klingoncelt, although it could just be busing? Idk.

Duppin hasn't posted here this Day.

You must have mixed up this thread with the Scumchat thread.

LOL WAT

Duppin's last post: 805. Before Ciara's flip.

[Klingoncelt]

Hmm, it makes sense. But Salamence claimed Role Cop, does that mean that he fake claimed?

Darn, this needs more thinking.

I was a Mafia Role Cop in a game a while back.

Role Cops tend to be Mafia, but not always.

Town Role Cops usually appear when there are 3rd Parties or in games with lots of PRs.

Usually.

Why didn't you share this site meta sooner?

I thought everyone knew.

But keep in mind, the

tends to

and

usually

. You never know when the mod will want to spice things up.

[Klingoncelt]

... Duppin is now going for Klingoncelt, although it could just be busing? Idk.

Duppin hasn't posted here this Day.

You must have mixed up this thread with the Scumchat thread.

Check out Duppin's ISO. His last few posts have been about you, after he voted for Ciara.

Also his last post was after Ciara was hammered (#805), where he is implies that he finds you scummy.

I am just doing an analysis right now, why are you so jumpy on me? Did I point out your scum team in my analysis?

No, you said that DUPPIN IS NOW GOING FOR KLINGONCELT, when Duppin hasn't even posted yet today.

Major slip there.

[Klingoncelt]

Gale + Salamence + Duppin

Holy fuck Fire might actually be town.

Fire if you are town YOU'VE BEEN HAD. They kept you around not to mislynch you, but because they knew you would act like this and lose the game for town

For the love of pretzels, use your head for once! You must be seeing this right??

Gale + Salamence + Duppin

I agree.

I'm sick tonight, I'll be back tomorrow. My vote remains on Sal.

[Klingoncelt]

Do not vote for me. I am Town.

[Klingoncelt]

Okay, I just sent in the nuke!

??? What's a nuke?

UNVOTE: until I see what happens.

[Klingoncelt]

VOTE: Salamence

[Klingoncelt]

Fire, you are town.

If you lynch me, I can't stop Banana from getting you lynched tomorrow.

When you flip Scum, Banana won't have any reason to lynch Fire.

[Klingoncelt]

A reminder:

Constantine is Vanilla (So either VT or goon, so its dumb that Klingon unvoted me over that)
Gale is ???

I unvoted because I thought he released a Day Action and I wanted to see what happened. Pretty sure I re-voted you.

[Klingoncelt]

Yes yes, me and Sala are obviously scum buddies with Gale. You know, the player Sala pinged out and claimed to have a check on, I mean he even told Gale to just claim. They are definitely aligned.
It is a shame that I think you are most likely town. I personally do not have a town read on Sala, but I believe Kling is scum and her trying to lynch Sala obviously means I do not wish to lynch him now.

Duppin, you are so much Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

vote kling

might as well sheep someone

Don't sheep the Scum. It's not a good look.

[Klingoncelt]

vote kling

might as well sheep someone

Holy fuck here's an idea how about you sheep me instead

That puts Kling at L-1 I believe DO NOT HAMMER KLING

Switch vote to Salamence! The case against Salamence is better than the case against Kling!!

You understand when Kling flips scum you are autolynched right.

Pro-tip: separation.

You understand that I'll flip Town. You and Duppin will be lynched in succession.

[Klingoncelt]

Kling is going to flip town and there is no way that this town, this very very bad town is going to win after that

If Kling flips scum I'll eat my words but Kling has been the most reasonable person in this game and doesn't have the scum tells like you do

Also this doesnt answer my question.

Youre relying on town balantly following you.

What are u going to do when I flip town?

That's not possible. You aren't Town.

[Klingoncelt]

What the fuck ever. This game is slow and my townflip confirms a Klingon/Banana scumteam.

Wanna know the third?

Its Bacde. Why? Trust me I have a guilty on him too

VOTE: Salamence

You can actually self vote here?

Yes.

It's frowned upon as Town because it can be game-throwing.

As Scum it's not such a bad idea as it can keep Town from getting information.

[Klingoncelt]

Kling no one cares about your OMGUS read on me.

I do.

I care about your weak response to it as well.

[Klingoncelt]

Well, at least I respond. But now you are here, how about you comment on your play yesterday?

You called me scum yesterday. You really thought I was scum. You also thought Gale was scum, then when some people join your Gale train you suddenly change your read on him and then join the Ciara train, that is lead by me (who you call scum) and Bacde (who you just called scummy). Please explain that to me.

I joined the Ciara train because I didn't trust my own reads after Day 1.

The last few days I was sick and my judgement is less than good when I'm feverish.

I'm feeling much better now. And I'm more convinced that you're Scum.

Bacde is scummy, but that doesn't mean he's Scum. Can't make up my mind on Gale. Salamence is my choice for today's lynch.

I'll vote for you tomorrow.

[Klingoncelt]

vote klingoncelt

You spelled Salamence wrong.

[Klingoncelt]

LYNCH KLINGON AND ILL MAKE A HYDRA WITH YOU ME AND GAMEPLAY IN A MICRO

Nice AtE you got there.

Too bad I'm not Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

Salamance/Gale/Duppin McMuffin

[Klingoncelt]

This is for Salamence.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

In his memory.

Also I want the medal for Least Valuable Player this game, I am a horrible town player this game.

You're horrible because you're Scum.

[Klingoncelt]

I'm Town. If I get lynched, Scum wins.

VOTE: Duppin

[Klingoncelt]

BANANA MAYBE GALE IS SCUM THEN WE NEED TO HAVE A MASSCLAIM BEFORE ANYONE VOTES DONT YOU REALIZE WE ARE SITTING ON A POWDER KEG

We're in Lylo. There are 3 Scum, not just Gale but 2 others.

Duppin is most certainly one of them.

I'll start the Massclaim since I'm here right now:

Vanilla Townie.

[Klingoncelt]

BANANA MAYBE GALE IS SCUM THEN WE NEED TO HAVE A MASSCLAIM BEFORE ANYONE VOTES DONT YOU REALIZE WE ARE SITTING ON A POWDER KEG

We're in Lylo. There are 3 Scum, not just Gale but 2 others.

Duppin is most certainly one of them.

I'll start the Massclaim since I'm here right now:

Vanilla Townie.

This is certainly more believable than mason...

Kling you may not have gotten to it yet, but how likely is a mason pull for a game like this?

Zero.

There are at most 2 VTs left in the game. There are 2 or 3 PRs. 3 Scum. No masons.

[Klingoncelt]

What exactly is massclaim? Does everyone just claim their role?

@Bacde: And also, is duppin confirmed townie because you are claiming to be masons with him?

From previous days, I'm probably going to vote Kling or Banana. I couldn't decide to vote Kling or Sala last round and I don't think Kling should be let off my hook because Sala was mislynched. Gale's involvement in the discussions looks town to me. Banana is pretty into this too but his kind of involvement is pissfest and is honestly really distracting.

Claim your role, Sam.

[Klingoncelt]

Correction:

There are 2 VT's, 2 PRs and 3 Scums left.

[Klingoncelt]

So far
Fire
Banana
Klingon

have all claimed VT. That's 1 claim too many.

Duppin and Bacde both claimed Mason. That's impossible. Both are Scum.

Gale and Sam need to claim now.

[Klingoncelt]

Correction:

There are 2 VT's, 2 PRs and 3 Scums left.

Then you or Fire is lying if that's the case

Is that set in stone? Or a rough template that usually is followed?

The set in stone version is the Matrix 6 template, used in Newbie games. It's almost certainly what's going on here.

[Klingoncelt]

Anyone that doesn't vote for Duppin is Confirmed Scum. Simple as that.

[Klingoncelt]

I have to crash. It's nearly 4am.

[Klingoncelt]

Kling you realize there is no town rolecop in matrix6 right?

The roles can be watered down, nothing to stop that from happening.

But even if the scumteam were 3 goons with just Night chat, Town with a watered-down Cop and 2 Masons doesn't have enough to compensate.

I'm going to

UNVOTE:

for right now.

Gale and Sam, claim.

[Klingoncelt]

I don't know Kling that well but I don't see Kling misleading in that type of way

If mason claim makes 0 sense then sorry its a bad claim that is easily faked as Mafia

That [ ] thing was so unnoticeable that if we had lynched one of you earlier and you flipped scum no one would notice that. Easily faked as mafia.

What?

It was simply meant to prove our role in case one of us died, and a) scum tried to fake claim mason (since one of us would've been revealed then) or b) you were going to lynch one of us in a lylo situation. It was meant to be used by us, not you guys.

There is no way Kling is not mafia now. It is simple logic.

You have 3 VT claims. (You, Fire and Kling)
At least

one

of you is lying, which means there is at least one mafia between you. The game is over at this point, please just vote Kling already so we can get on with it.

Your "logic" blows.

I am absolutely Town.

If I get lynched, Town loses.

[Klingoncelt]

K well obviously Kling has been misleading me all game ugh

No I haven't.

I am Town.

[Klingoncelt]

Why else would Gale do that? He knew once he claimed Kling is hung so he's stalling for time, hoping in another day the votes will shift

Banana, shut up. I'm a fookin' VT.

[Klingoncelt]

NVM.

Sala's self-vote and failure to post results didn't help Town any.

GG, all.

Thanks for hosting, Not Mafia!

[Klingoncelt]

Omg here goes Fire again.

We had 3 goons. 100% balanced.

The game disagrees.
None of you got lynched.
It wasn't even 'close'

That has nothing to do with the roles but everything to do with town being unreasonable

We killed TheWorst for being reasonable. We eventually started keeping the most unreasonable players around even though you were all voting together for the longest time

Kling was the LYLO set up lynch for daaaaaays

I guess I'm honored, lol.

Yeah, that's optimal Scum play, kill off the good ones, keep the wifomers alive.

My big mistake was expecting this to be a standard Matrix setup, but it's more like Friends and Enemies.

Town could have used a stronger Cop, or maybe add in a 3rd Mason. We were underpowered.

Salamence should have been clear with her results. The self-hammer was tragic.

[Klingoncelt]

General cluelessness about normal games plagued the game, there was talk of jesters at one point, if town had slowed down in lylo and gotten their bearings, I think the game would have become more of a toss-up.

Modding wasn't up to my usual standards, I recently started a very hectic job, I hope you all enjoyed the game

I did indeed, thanks for hosting!

[Klingoncelt]

I usually like to leave comments on everyone who played. Since I only appeared on Day 1, I probably don't have as much to say as I would've.
Even people who got replaced gets one. Besides Aeronaut, literally one post.

Spoiler: The Game

St Constantine the Hermit

- You play odd, but since you're a VT it ain't a big deal. Spot on with some of your scum reads. Sporadic as hell, if you got to lylo you would've cause problems with mafia I believe. Which is why you were killed as well.

juckter

- Wish he didn't disappear, would've been nice to see him play.

Bacde

- pls don't hammer too quickly. I do like your playstyle though, I knew why you townread me and it made sense. Don't tunnel too hard though, it ended up costing town a lynch.

duppin

- Was a bit skeptical of you, but you were pretty well-reasoned. I think you could've worked independently of Bacde a bit more though, do your own thing.

Salamence20

- Oh man, what can I say? Don't self-vote as a PR? Try to understand what your role is? I dunno. You had moments of brilliance, like the fakeclaim that you probably didn't mean to do, but the self-vote wasn't one of them. Embrace your leadership more!

Yukari

- Your playstyle was pretty good at first, then you seemed to go off course by lynching Ciara. You're a pretty strong townie though,
which is why you got killed.

Cthulhu Dreaming

- Haha, I wish you stayed in. You were an interesting and mysterious player. Hope you recovered well from your sickness!

Firebringer

- I think it's clear you weren't on your best game. But to be honest, you did get me to suspect Banana, so there's that! Don't get bothered by players like Banana, do your own thing. Don't ignore people, but at the same time don't escalate the situation.

SamX

- I recognized your buddy to be honest, but I think my idea that you're a newbie made me think you were town. Play a newbie game! The Newbie queue needs more newbies!

BananaCucho

- Out of all the scum, I suspected you the most because of your buddy buddy attitude towards me. It was also pretty clear you were trying to take over the game near the end. Screw you! Give me my life back!
It'd be fun to play with you as townie for real, you got that right.

Klingoncelt

- I did find you the scummiest out of all the town. First you suspected me, and you proceed to vote third on every town mislynch, only to get mislynched yourself! The Sala wagon ended up being your downfall. Still, you thought outside the box and I commend you for that.

Gale Wing Srock

- Your wall-posting caught me off guard, I didn't suspect you because of that. Your reasoning
was pretty otherwise weak though (expected because, well, you're scum), next time I see you, better watch out!
Also just realized you were defending SamX, don't do that as scum. It flew past my head since I honestly didn't think about the SamX vote too much.

eventi

- Oh eventi, you didn't deserve the lynch on you. I feel partially to blame for it, I allowed it to happen under the pressure of time. Sala was leading the wagon though, so technically it was the right move. Don't be sarcastic all the time though! Your attitude got you lynched.

Ciara24

Your inactivity got you lynched, pretty much. I was hoping for more of you, to be honest, but we all have our reasons for inactivity.

Ether, Mastin2

- Hope you were entertained! Wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on the game as well.

Not_Mafia

Thanks for modding and for not banning me for talking about an ongoing game!

Excellent analysis - thanks!

[Klingoncelt]

Also, wasn't kidding about the glass.. shit hurt.. >,> finally got to the doc and they did find some still in there to remove.. so all good now. There was a framed painting just leaning against the wall, tripped and fell into it elbow first n sliced us up right below the elbow.
<,<

I'm glad to hear there's no permanent damage.