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From first two pages;
Not liking Zakk's early posting - especially his turn around on Axle. Conversely, I'm liking Axle's continued push on Zakk to try and work out what Zakk was doing.
Don't get NS' town read on Singer either - hoping he explains it at some point.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 52, Malakittens wrote:Hm. wondering if Axle is scum because his posts give me this terrible feel to them
Mala, surprise surprise, we disagree. Talk to me about this.
This I like though.
Why is Mala scum?
Dislike this post. Very 'go with the flow' and 'look at me providing some reads'.
Thoughts on Axle?
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I should add that I have started missing Axle's posts and would probably PL him. His posting is hard to read and I don't like the fact he doesn't place his vote and instead replaces it with a FOS.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 116, zakk wrote:
If you disagree with Mala, and think he is town, then you agree with me.
Why do you not like that I discovered this, and changed my mind?
It's the way you did it - it didn't feel genuine on page 1. Like, you had no reason to move votes as far as I am concerned as Axle had done nothing alignment indicative by the time you switched to Mala.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Can you just expand on these reads please Zakk?
In post 184, zakk wrote:I'm not sure on you [Mala], yet. You've gone back to a "I'm not sure enough to blatantly push your lynch" type of read.
What changed?
I don't get it...
In post 197, notscience wrote:
I think you [Singer] are town, I think Veegee is town, I think BBT is probably town.
I'm wary of MS.
i'm wary of shadow.
Can you talk about these reads please?
I don't get it.
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In post 207, VeeGee wrote:Zakk, can yoou explain how you feel about me? I noticed I wasn't on your read list.
Can you explain how you feel about anyone? I don't think I have seen a single original thought from you so far...
In post 208, Nosferatu wrote:
Before I leave, just wanna say, singer is town, along with Axle. nullscum is notty, and null is zakk. I just ISO dive'd so all of the posts I observed are out of context. Sorry for wasting your time.
This replace out is horrible. Just horrible. The 'null' read on Zakk seems really weird; why did he include a null read?
In post 210, zakk wrote:I am willing to digress on notscience for today.
Okay singer, so if I'm town, you're town, notscience is town, Shiro is town, and Axle is town, who's that leave?
BlueBloodedToffee (Dizzle)
Scorpious (Ciara24)
Malakittens
Metal Sonic
shaddowez
VeeGee
I already know what you think of Nosferatu/replacement(?) so let's focus on the six in the middle.
notscience, feel free to chip in as well.
This post is scummy. Why are you willing to disgress on NS? Why are you accepting Singer's reads as if they're your own? Why have you own reads been removed? Why are you not developing your own reads? Why are you reaching out to Singer in particular?
I feel like you're trying to redirect Singer away from Nos but this is getting into associatives. Making note though so it's in my ISO.
Vote and unvote on Nos was pretty bad as well. What changed?
MS, are you planning on actually doing anything?
In post 220, notscience wrote:Because he hasn't actually /done/ anything. Like, he's been posting once a day.
Here literally all he's done is whiteknight you and be snarky, with a side of fluff.
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In post 234, VeeGee wrote:Even if obvious scum DID get replaced, just lynch the replacement.
Another pointless post brought to you by VeeGee.
What?
In post 247, notscience wrote:Because his play here feels much more laid back than it did in 1625.
You're using meta from one game and think it's reliable?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 261, shaddowez wrote:In post 247, notscience wrote:Because his play here feels much more laid back than it did in 1625.
Assuming I'm looking into the right game, I disagree completely. He had a total of 8 posts in that game before being replaced, one of which is a prod dodge. He was scum in that game, and from reading through his posts and interactions, I'm actually getting the same feeling.
Meta reads, huh? Just can't trust them... Still, trying to meta read someone based off of a single game is ridiculously bad.
In post 262, singersigner wrote:@Axel...I just finished a game where zakk was scum and I initially mistownread him early game, but eventually he got sloppy. I think the difference in the two early games are the calculatedness of his play. Thinking back on Genesis mafia, he was definitely more calculated on which posts he responded to and how he responded to them. Here he has a much more earnest kind of play, in a way that can look sloppy when it comes to judgements that are based on emotion rather than logic.
Granted, I don't think he's necessarily driven on emotion rather than logic, it's just that's the feeling I'm getting from his posts.
@BBT...where are you? You usually dominate games I've seen you in. What're your reads?
Same - meta reading someone off of a single game is bad.
Yeah, I been a little busy lately so haven't had the time I would have liked. I should become more active in the near future.
As for reads; I'm liking VeeGee for scum. Zakk and Maxwell are not bad shouts for scum either. I like Shaddow and Singer for town, NS and Shiro might be town as well - don't have much of an opinion on anyone else.
In post 267, Scorpious wrote:
fair enough,I just gave my initial reads. I dont know anyone,nor have I read up on anyone. I know that isn't the case now. Thank you for correcting me..
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Huh? Is MS no longer scum? Why is Maxwell scummier than MS?
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In post 345, AxleGreaser wrote:
Thats weird. Mala is 4th 321
I understand what is plausible to achieve comes into the equation.
but given the huge list of tells in 193 is claimed by you to be objectively scummy,
you have not seemed to me real keen to get them heard and acted on.
not liking it.
This is the first post I have read of yours since 85. I thought you should know that.
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I think there is a pretty good chance that VeeGee flips scum.
In post 377, Scorpious wrote:Zakk, Do you have intentions of joining the max wagon? Heishigher on your to-lynch list than Mala..
in fact,Mala is #4.. I doubt there are 4 scum.. Why vote her over your top 3?
Hey, Scorpious is restating other people's arguments.
In fact, I haven't liked much of Scorpious' posting at all and would lynch him.
VeeGee hasn't done anything either - not interested in joining a wagon we already have going?
In post 383, Scorpious wrote:
The block of 163,172,and 176 where you were like " I voted,whos with me" was what made me think that,but after it being pointed out and me re-reading stuff I realize my initial read was terrible..Still have you as town though..
That doesn't explain how you come to the conclusion that I was a 'clueless townie'. What got pointed out to you and how did it change your read? What rereading did you do and how did that change your mind?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Yeah, I could probably lynch MS as well actually.
I don't really have anything to say to you Mala. A lot of your posting has been based around meta or stating you don't want to explain things so *shrug*Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 395, Scorpious wrote:
who made this argument?
It was.briefly mentioned in 345,and I do mean briefly. Please tell me who else made this argument..
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Scorpious, the argument was made. You just restated what Axle had already pointed out.
Axle, VeeGee has refrained from providing reads, scum hunting and generally doing anything that I would consider pro-town.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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It's not bullshit Scorpious. You clearly just restated an argument - it's right there in black and white. I'm not talking about it any more.
Zakk, meta-dive me yourself. It's pointless, but I enjoy people doing it anyway.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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People should check VeeGee's ]68 and my thoughts on it in 103 if they think there is no reason to think VeeGee is scum.
This can be added to the list of things that VeeGee is NOT doing that a townie should be doing and we have ourselves a scum lynch.
Proceed to vote accordingly please.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 443, zakk wrote:
You have my sword, bow, and axe.
But whatcha think about Mala/notsci?
Are they really this scummy as town? Because whoa.
I have a lot of trouble reading Mala - our play-styles clash horribly. I should probably be concerned that I'm not scum reading her but that can wait for another day.
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In post 415, Scorpious wrote:
ok fine,then explain why you awere ok with Zakk avoiding Axle's "argument" up until the point he did.
and
How do you feel about his answer that it was for reactions?
I don't really think anything of Zakk 'avoiding' to answer.
I think reactions is a weak answer.
In post 423, ika wrote:
BBT associate useless with scum and if they are town he just goes *well they were useless*
Pretty much this. Clearing town of dead-weight is just as important as lynching scum. It's even better when said dead-weight actually has a decent chance of flipping scum.
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Why not? Makes me think your request was not genuine.
I'd like to see this case.
In post 431, zakk wrote:
I ask for people's scum games when I have reason to believe I might be misreading them.
What made you think you might be misreading me? And if you were, why did you not do the meta-dive you requested and I refused?
In post 433, zakk wrote:
i can understand why he wants to lynch useless. my notes, in fact, say that i should lynch you sooner rather than later, but later that was superseded by a strong town read
so, count your blessings because you're pretty useless yourself, and lynching useless people is a GOOD thing
Sorry, what? How is Axle 'useless'?
In post 449, zakk wrote:So if me, axle, shiro, singer, notscience, and mala are all town
That narrows down the game quite a bit
Your read on NS is all over the place. In fact, your reads have been all over the place the entire game. Maybe it's time for you to listen to somebody else (like me and vote VeeGee?)Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 450, zakk wrote:VOTE: Maxwell
I'm ready when y'all are
L-1 btw. Declare intent before hammering
What? This vote is terrible.
Also, Maxwell is town. Like, his posting all over page 19 just screams town. Time to take a look that wagon me thinks.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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MS, ika and Zakk are by far and away the worst votes on this wagon.
Ika, can you just clarify why you're voting Maxwell for me please?Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 508, Shiro wrote:
Btw Bbt do you have anything else on VeeGee other than lurksack of none existance?
Sure, check out my recent posting w/ regards to VeeGee.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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I'm not sure but I'm not leaving my VeeGee wagon to try and start a new one.
Scorpious can wait until Tomorrow.
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I did.
I haven't read properly since around post 500 so, yeah, a lot to catch up on but I don't think I'm gonna bother because my reads were not very good.
I don't see Mala as scum with Maxwell.
Zakk is prob a good shout - or maybe Shiro.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Like, why is my effort town effort and not scum effort?
I'm surprised I haven't come under heavy fire Today - I was town reading the shit out of Maxwell when he got lynched.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 851, Scorpious wrote:BBT-Do you feel that anyone's behavior has changed since the encryptor flip?
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In post 317, MaxwellPuckett wrote:
I think it should be pretty obvious that I want VeeGee lynched, though. If not him, then Malakittens.
Mala in his top two lynch choices - no reason to do this as scum on scum on D1.
In post 330, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Oh, right, and singer, do we actually agree about Mala? I think zakk's play has been a lot better than theirs. If VeeGee is always like this, and I'll check them out tomorrow, I'd rather move my vote over to Mala.
Reaching out to Singer - a strong presence in the game - to try and start a push on Mala.
In post 464, MaxwellPuckett wrote:
Metal Sonic is a better lynch, I'm still waiting for him to weigh in on.. everything. A better lynch than Sonic, but a worse lynch than Shiro, is Malakittens.
Still wanting to lynch Mala. Mala is always present in his top people to lynch. If Mala was under pressure or under threat of being lynched, I could see this being scum-scum. But he has no motivation to try and drive a wagon on one of his buddies who is under no pressure on D1.
In post 492, MaxwellPuckett wrote:Malakittens: Okay, I'm sorry I'm insulting you. Did I say your play was stupid? I don't think I did, I just think that what you've been doing looks scummy to me. Don't take it personally. I think I've explained why I want to see what Sonic will do here. I haven't seem him do this as town or scum tbh, so I just wanna wait until he responds.
This doesn't feel scum-scum either - I don't think scum!Mala reacts to one of her buddies in the way that she did.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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OK, I see what you're saying but I'm not sure why that makes her scum? I have seen Mala lash out plenty of times at numerous people and I don't think I have ever seen her flip scum.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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