Mini Normal 1707 - Frog Mafia! - GAME OVER - TOWN WIN!

[Shiro]

I would feel inclunted to voted zakk if I hadn't finished a game where he did the exact same thing and was town.

Knowing that I believe I have to vote

Asks the


The magical conch has spoken

Vote:Ciara

[Shiro]

Hi.

I would feel inclunted to voted zakk if I hadn't finished a game where he did the exact same thing and was town.

I presume you mean this game where he made this post
If its different game please indicate which.

our concepts of exact same thing are not exactly the same, but that game and others do(and did) give me pause for thought.

Yeap that is the game. By same I didn't mean exact same post but you know style of early game play.
Now for all I know he might do the same as scum since I haven't read any of his scum games but for now I am OK for seeing it as not scummy

[Shiro]

Hm. wondering if Axle is scum because his posts give me this terrible feel to them

What kind of terrible feeling is he giving you ? Cause it appears we are getting totally different feeling about him.

[Shiro]

Hm. wondering if Axle is scum because his posts give me this terrible feel to them

What kind of terrible feeling is he giving you ? Cause it appears we are getting totally different feeling about him.

Hey Mala you never really answered my question.

[Shiro]

@Shiro

Hi,
If you are around I'd like to synchronise a time I can ask you a factual question yes/no and get an instant response.
If you say when, I will be here.
<ooo spooky><nah its probably lame>

ask away

[Shiro]

Also

[Shiro]

ready

Yeap

[Shiro]

The last game together was masquerade NY178.
Question: have you read any game i played in since that you didn't?
Answer Yes No
go

No

[Shiro]

UNVOTE

Are most people here familiar with zakk's playstyle?

[Shiro]

VOTE: Shiro

Let's do this.

Lol no, Shiro is town.

Zakk why do you seem so certain about me ? It kind of gives me an odd feeling


also I am perfectly ok with this

VOTE:Nosferatu

I always find ths kind of replace out as red flags

[Shiro]

@Singer and Notscience

Nos was inactive and the moment someone started pressuring him he replaced out.

I find that kind of thing scummy. it is not as strong of an indication as if he was being pushed hard but it still tick me.

[Shiro]

Axl I will get back to you

Max have you played with zakk before? Alternatively have you read his games?

@Mala You said you played with zakk right? Excuse me but which part of his play is hard to read? I can see that from someone who never played with him but otherwise it is pretty straightforward.

Infact the only thing that makes me doubt my zakk townread is the fact that he hasn't been driven to claim from those that don't know him yet.

Which brings me back to max and my question. If he has no knowledge of zakk (which seems to be the case) I find his defense of him to be awful and one of two things.

1. Scum trying to defend partner and incase he gets lynched give Wifom of none would blatantly defend his partner so obviously.

Now I believe zakk is town which brings us to


2. Scum who is defending zakk so when zakk dies/gets lynched he can get told you so cred.

Is it impossible to be town defending a real town read? No but it is more unlike it in my opinion.

It seems I won't have to get back to you Axl

[Shiro]

Wait you read zakk past games and you still think he is scum? Unless his scum and town play are identical then I have no idea how you came to that conclusion.This is zeds Tavern to the dot. Aggressively point everywhere,sone stuff then apologise for anti town play. I am having de ja vu

Also yes I find it improbable that someone without knowing zakk's play can see his play as town without something to grasp on let alone defend him. We practicaly made him claim 3rd page in our game and had the wagon gone s little slower and the sk hadn't claimed badly he would have been our day one lynch.

I am making some assumption for what I say and like I said chance that he is indeed town, town reading zakk exist but I find it less likely

If I am wrong then I am welcoming max to give a valid reason to town read zakk to the point of making him go out of his way to defend him.

[Shiro]

If I am wrong then I am welcoming max to give a valid reason to town read zakk to the point of making him go out of his way to defend him.

and how was he supposed to know to do that?

He was not which is why I am asking him to do so. I am open to being wrong you know.

I will read your reply a bit better in an a bit cause busy also I might read that scum game of zakk you posted to get a feel and get back to you.

[Shiro]

ok zakk is defenitly not a VI although it is very much possible that he is a much better scum player than town.

Thing is axl from the little I just read from genesis and it's scum pt. His play is different from his play here. He is far more calm and calculated. Although I can see some similarities. I can also see why you say the two games are different now. Eh I got to think more of it but I still find him more town than scum.

go out of his way to defend him.

Come on >>>>>YOU<<<<< really ought know better, show me Max going out of his way, rather than being responsive to questions
That is how they were railroading you in Masquerade (over how much you had said about each person), when I stopped it.

Ok you have a good point there hehe.


Will wait on max response

[Shiro]

People should check VeeGee's ]68 and my thoughts on it in 103 if they think there is no reason to think VeeGee is scum.

This can be added to the list of things that VeeGee is NOT doing that a townie should be doing and we have ourselves a scum lynch.

Proceed to vote accordingly please.

Veegee is not doing what a townie should be doing indeed. He is also however not doing what scum should be doing.(Unless staying in the shadows is something you think scum should do, to which I agree tbh but most people think lurking is null)

Infact he is not doing anything.

I am not against his lynch tbh. I do not like lurkers.

Also hi I just remembered that we played before in that one game that I am trying to forget.

[Shiro]

I remember that game. I am also still trying to forget it.

Your vote would be appreciated on the VeeGee wagon. We have cookies.

I think I will wait for a bit till max comes and answers my question. After that who knows.

[Shiro]

unvote

Soly because I want to wait till he answers my question and I don't want to risk anyone hammering while I am asleep before I have said answer

[Shiro]

Axl most importantly I want to see what made him go from likely scum to top of the town reads

I can see how someone with meta on him can justify a town read, but soly from this game and at the the top of the town reads ? I find it impropable.

I want Max to say

I was scum reading zach and then

this and this happened and changed my mind. With this and this being something valid. He did bring the fact that, why zakk would play anti-town knowing it is anti town play if he was scum but that is wifom and hardly enough to put someone at the top of your town reads.

[Shiro]

that you were TOWNREADING zakk. So why is it strange that I would be townreading him????

Based soly on meta not his play in this game and I have made that perfectly clear. I find it strange that you can townread him based on his play in this game alone.

Had I not finished a game with him a few days ago I would be pushing his lynch right now.

Zakk is probably town, and besides that, I was getting kind of pissed at him being called a VI, or his posting style being called bad or useless, when that wasn't what I was seeing in his later play. It's kind of a thing for me, I don't like seeing people get insulted.

Then tell me how you have found his posts useful and how you came to the conclusion that he is town.

[Shiro]

168 is superficious plus he does have him on his scum list if I am not mistaken.

Continuing to press notscience case was practically suicide as either alignment like. There is nothing town about it. Just sane play

3rd Not alignment indicative tbh

I can give you the 4th point it seems kind of honest but I do not see how it can be a top town read material indication.


Btw that not what I said.

You said it makes no sense for scum to play badly and then admit to knowing this is anti town.
I said that for all intents and purpuses he may have realised he was playing badly and then said something to cover it up. Your line of thought was shaky and wifomish. Plus again hardly something for anyone to draw a top town read from.

i forget about this gaem fast....

Then stop forgetting. We played a game together before. You can do far better than that.


P.S If I suddenly stop replying it is 5:16 am (cause yay mafia is keeping me awake) and I might just fall asleep out of nowhere

[Shiro]

third point. i assume you mean 'zakk's reads changing'? How is that not alignment indicative? Scum make up their reads, town thinks about them.

Adapting reads based on situation is a thing for scum

Also town although less likely may have static reads just like a scum that can't be bothered to play.

-holy shit, 5am?

Late night mafia playing xD 5:35 now.

Shiro, you're so hung up on the fact that zakk is a top townread of mine.

Yes I am because that part of the point. If you had a null/weak town or whatever I could see it as maybe but nothing you have given me can justify having him as a top townread.

To have someone as top townread it means you have a form of certenity that said person is town. I cannot find where you drew that certenity from.

[Shiro]

Still waiting for people to start voting scum (VeeGee).

I think I am ready to join

VOTE:vegee

Ditto talk to us. Give us some insight on your psyche. Point a finger or two. Choose to exist

@Max I still don't get it Iike, your townread on zakk but you seem to be legit about it. Seriously though how is he scumhunting like his vote on you is atrocious and has been pretty much not doing stuff. I just have to agree with Bbt your last posts seem townie even if I can piece the logic behind them. I will let it go for now.

Axl other than zakk who else do you find iffy?

@ika Be the town ika I town read in that other game cause I am really iffy this time around.

@Mala You said you know notscience well right? Is it normal for him to vanish like that. Also who do you want to lynch? I am kinda townreading you and I want to know my townread thoughts.

Btw Bbt do you have anything else on VeeGee other than lurksack of none existance?

Also I will agree with zakk in one thing. Scum is either coasting or is not participating in this whole thing. Speaking of, zakk scum team guess?

@Singer can you give me or point me to your case on Nos/max Also can you tell me if you vigorously pursue scum reads and if yes, did Nos know that? a yes to both could explain why scum Nos might have bailed like that.

[Shiro]

Btw Bbt do you have anything else on VeeGee other than lurksack of none existance?

Sure, check out my recent posting w/ regards to VeeGee.

Ok I did but it still leaving me a bit eh.

Also when isoed you to find said post about VeeGee I realised there is a dude in this game named scorpius. I really get wary when I forget someone exists

[Shiro]

That instant mention response like XD I love when that happens

[Shiro]

So you're just going to ignore my questions BBT?

You put a weak ass case on me..Don't answer my questions,and I'm scum.. ok dude..

Well if you weren't none existant opinions might change.

What are your thoughts on what happened? Talk to us.

[Shiro]

you're saying you didn't notice I was here and that's my fault?

I replaced in.. Skimming much?

No not really. Just that you haven't done anything of relevance at all to make your presence noticed.

I am asking again. Thoughts on game state?

[Shiro]

@Shiro,Can you please show me where you have your own case on Vegee,and not just sheeping BBT?

I never said I have a case on VeeGee.

I am voting him because I want him to appear and do something or burn in fire ^_^

Now for the third time. What are your thoughts on the game state?

P.edit: Fair enough you are here now and you want to push Bbt. Cool with me

Still from everything that has happened you have more thoughts to share

[Shiro]

@Singer

New York 181 is the game I was with ika. Iffy as in I was full town reading him there while now I can't.

Mala to me seems like frustrated town that those she expected to be active are being meh

Joined VeeGee wagon to make him talk or burn. Max responses gave me some food for thought which is why I am OK with leaving it for a bit.

Although what you said makes me think it is more likely it was scum replace out

[Shiro]

I am kinda baffled from what zakk just said.

Zakk weren't you the one that was saying how we shouldn't drive people to claim for the sake of reactions in Zed's Tavern or was it someone else? (not gonna lie I am not going to be bothered searching)

[Shiro]

Intention to hammer over here

[Shiro]

Screw it

Vote:Max

[Shiro]

Oh ok so Shiro's probably scum for that hammer, wtf, dude?

What about it? I have been scumreading him. A dead weight lynch is not happening and it is day 1. Instead of waiting it out and having a random last second switch to someone who I may townread I ended it.

[Shiro]

Infact I can predict what would have happened had I not hammered him.

Half his wagon does not really scumread him. He would have come back talked like he did before Axle would have possibly unvoted and maybe someone else as well and based on what I see we might have had a Mala or zakk lynch.

I decided against risking it further. You find it scummy

Woopdidoo

[Shiro]

VOTE: Shiro

Explain?

VOTE: Ika

~

Also singer is pretty much conf-town so~

Probably my hammer.

And yea singer is pretty much conf

[Shiro]

Well you think we are both scum, so do you think we are partners, then?

Nah tbh I think he thinks it is you or zakk with me

[Shiro]

Hey axl if the hammer is not the reason for your vote can you clarify

[Shiro]

STOP
ANSWERING
OTHER
PEOPLE'S
QUESTIONS.

PLEASE AND THANK YOU.

[Shiro]

I am cool with being focused on.

Questions are welcome

[Shiro]

im on break but i still stand by my reads.

VOTE: MS

moving on

Why?

What are your reads on Mala and Shiro?

shirro is not

Says the towniest of people

*rolls eyes *

[Shiro]

@Shiro,Can you provide us reads based on this game and this game alone? Without using any meta?

What is your opinion of Zakk in THIS GAME?

Would have lynched him yesterday is my opinion on zakk this game alone or at the very least pushed him to l-1.

Reads with no meta

Town
Singer
Axl
Mala

Null town
You
Bbt

null
Notscience
MS

Nullscum
Ika
VeeGee
Shadow dude

Probably scum
Zakk


But based on what I know you can push zakk to nulltown and ika a little lower plus axl at the top of townreads

[Shiro]

Max had town read on you that, Shiro 'thought' came out of nowhere. Shiro and Max then go on to discuss why one of them thought you were 'scum', while only both only ever talked about how town they thought you were and why.
A sweet heart deal.

I am pretty sure I never really said zakk play in game was town. I don't know, maybe just reading the game doesn't give you the same feeling but it does for me.

I pretty much led that last second lynch to zakk in that game when I switched from maho to him. Not making the same mistake again. Granted that maho was also town in that game but that is irrelevant to the point.

And btw let me get this straight, you think I am scum because zakk who you are sure is scum, by being meta townread from me while I had a conv with max about his towniess makes me scum ?

[Shiro]

And btw let me get this straight, you think I am scum because zakk who you are sure is scum, by being meta townread from me while I had a conv with max about his towniess makes me scum ?

Nope.

Then?

[Shiro]

Prodge.

Didn't you say you will get to it later at your last post?

[Shiro]

Ika, I'm surprised you're not accusing me of being scum.

You know, with my lack of activity and all.

Well if he accused you for it he would have had to be active himself

TBH I think there is a chance of ika being scum with the other being one of Shadow,veegee or metal

[Shiro]

Ika, I'm surprised you're not accusing me of being scum.

You know, with my lack of activity and all.

Well if he accused you for it he would have had to be active himself

TBH I think there is a chance of ika being scum with the other being one of Shadow,veegee or metal

i really dont think Veegee is scum.

Why? It not like he has done anything to justify any short of townread

[Shiro]

Axl the problem with what you say is that you assume I stopped scumreading him. Did my scumread lessen ? Sure. but later when singer came back in and then said that it is easy to fake towniess when you replace in got me thinking again. Plus she did say that she does chase scumreads and although Nos couldn't know that since they never played together the join date alone is enough to scare any newbie scum.

Fast forward.

First I did not realise you were scumreading max a lot so I just assumed I guess that is my bad. I was also thinking there was a chance Mala and Notscience unvoting.

Second there is a difference between preffering a dead weight lynch(a deadweight lynch is just as good day 1 tbh) over a potential scumread with a lynch of a person you townread over a scumread.

I figured a deadweight lynch wasn't happening and the only two other people I found as possibly day 1 lynches based on the gamestate were mala and zakk. I townread both, THAT is why I hammered max.

[Shiro]

I wasn't gung ho on max

I would have gone for a lurker lynch

Max was the one that got to L-1

I stated intent to hammer because I was scumreading him

and then it hit me that based on what was going on the only other potential lynches for the day were people I was townreading.

I didn't go Oh no I must lynch max today right now.

I went "Hm by allowing this to go further there is a good chance mala or zakk will get lynched,I am scumreading him and it is day 1 so screw it"

So I hammered

This is the whole point of 664

665 is the assumption I made based on what I thought was going on. That being that you,mala and notscience weren't really scumreading him, that is 3 people potentially off the wagon 2 of which I townread thus not even caring why they would be convinced to jump off the wagon at the moment. Was there potential to get info if he came back to talk? Yes there is. Was it worth risking lynching a townread of mine over a scumread ? For me atleast no.



tbh It is wrong to even assume I was in a must lynch right now thought process because I initially just stated intent.

[Shiro]

Yes they had no voted but a lot of people were willing to vote them especially if ti came to max convinvng people he was town(heck he could have convinced me as well that not the point though)

You would keep pushing zakk and there is a chance you might have gotten that lynch.
Notscience would have pushed mala and he might have gotten her lynched.

Veegee has been doing nothing for the past ever and even when people voted him he was still getting no traction what makes you think waiting out max was going to magically give him that traction ? He still has no bloody traction and his 1 related ingame thing was saying to shadow that he has been less active than him like whoa.

You cannot be too sure but you can still find it preferable over your scumread.

like no shit I KNOW for all intents and purpuses had I not hammered ANYTHING could have happened Veegee could have been lynched or maybe nothing would have changed and we would have had a bit more info and max would get the noose regardless. does the fact matter? No because what I didn't wish to risk was some of the possible outcomes.

Can you say for certain that Mala or zakk wouldn't have gotten lynched because they had no votes on them ? The foundation were there for their lynch with at least a few people scumreading each if I am not mistaken.

[Shiro]

Why are you who is not 100% sure they are town worried for them?

So you are saying town should not worry about their townreads getting lynched?

You can never be 100% about anyone other than yourself does that mean all you should do is worry about yourself alone?

[Shiro]

Btw shadow do you realise what you are saying?

If you believe I am scum with VeeGee then you are saying I spend my day 1 pushing my partner then stopped to push my other partner only to go back and hammer the earlier.

I can see how someone can townread VeeGee and scum read me but scum read both of us? Sorry but that is dumb.

P.edit

Cause it is what bloody happened but I can't prove to you that now can I?

Also you should know that I rarely have scum reads we played together and till day 3 I was only scumreading Slandar till the garmr things happened so yea a lesser scumread is enough for me to decide it is worth lynching without risking it.

Infact remember blaze? Remember how I unvoted purely to ask someone else to vote him so I can hammer? We were early in the day. I did that that day because I was townreading the dude he had a guilty on. Blaze was a lesser scumread infront of Slandar and garmr.

Like agh Ffs I am trying to bloody prove to you that this was my thought process but you refuse to believe it is even a possibility because my read on max wasn't the strongest to justify hammering him

P edit2
Here singer have a cherry



P.edit3
Metal have the cherry as well

[Shiro]

Cherries are awesome, value it. I rarely give them out

[Shiro]

<3 You're really cute. Let's play in a hydra of sorts after this game?


Also, pledge your alliance to Queen Singer and convince us you're town?

Nah it is the avatar doing the work qlso
Eh I dunno I am not that good and I may drag people down plus I never played in a hydra


I can confirm that I am failing at this proving I am town thing not planning on voting myself though sooo yea.

[Shiro]

Yeah it's mostly the avatar actually. But that proves you have good taste!

I died XD

Are you phoneposting?

And yes

[Shiro]

It was a point as to how I am willing to vote one way for a townread eve. If it isn't optimal.

MS like how did you reach that conclusion from What we said?

[Shiro]

No credible threat? Axl like Mala had notscience scumreading her hard. Max would vote her zakk scumread her and so did Scorpious who town read max

That is four reasonable vote add potentially some of the lurkers and here is your threat

Zakk had You,Scorpious and potentially the lurkers. Plus he is an easy lynchbait even as a compromise.

There was aplenty of credible threats

I won't object I am normally not a selfish player but I do try hard to convince others that I am right and in all honesty max was driven in l-1 twice there was enough foundation to act without thinking that I am putting my ego in place

Tbh this conversation has nothing else to give. I did my best to prove to you what I believed when I did what I did and you refuse to find it possible.

[Shiro]

Shadow I was voting the slot since before max was in the game saying I never voted him before the hammer is BS

Also what you just said to zakk is worse, you ask if he thinks my lynch won't go through becau he and his buddy won't vote me

a rhetoric question implying that you think Zakk is scum with someone other than me.

You say I am not scum with VeeGee and neither zakk but we 3 are your top scum

Shadow can you give me your potential scum team?

[Shiro]

Why are you so convinced the Shiro wagon won't go through? You and your other scumbuddies won't vote for them?

Here axl

THIS rhetoric question to zakk bloody implies that he think Zakk is scum with someone other than me or else it would make no sense.

[Shiro]

I will just mention

scumbuddies

itself is plural. That is already a lotta scum.

I am not sure what you mean by that.

[Shiro]

I object to the statement that I am easy lynchbait

Objection your honor





Objection

Object all you want zakk won't change the truth


There are people that are town and appear so
There are people that are town and appear null
There are people that are town and appear scummy
And then there is you.

[Shiro]

I just can't get over that damn post..
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Zakk

Are you really trying to make sense of zakk?

That is like looking chuthulu in the eyes and saying hi

tbh his play so far this Day hasn't been the greatest. He wanted the PR to claim so they out what happened with the NK and he's PR hunting soooo. his play hasnt been that town :s

Yes because his day 1 was a brilliant town beacon.

This is exactly why I found max top town read on him so odd.

[Shiro]

pedit-don't worry Shiro. I still think you are scum too..

<3

[Shiro]

I'm taking a break from your inquisition for a bit..

[Shiro]

Dammit Shiro. Stop making me like you.. You're scum lol

[Shiro]

Eh I think scorpius is town that wagon is meh

I think we should lynch either ika or shadow

VOTE: shiro

Bbt you're playing odd. Your are on my list to sort next :p

And here I though I wasn;t on your lynch pool : (

So you were asking singer why she voted me. If I am not mistaken she never answered so why are you voting me ?

[Shiro]

Why is Scorpious town Shiro?

Because he seems town to me, nothing he has said since the moment he started talking back in day 1 has pinged me wrong


Can you point to me exactly what has made you find him as scum ?

[Shiro]

OK, so what has he done that has pinged you as 'right'?

Because at the moment it sounds like you#re describing a null read.

That probably because I see him as null town

[Shiro]

I personally like 933 it seems honest plus so far his answers to you have been ok. His read on me and zakk seem legit(unlike shadows that make no sense imho) even though I know/believe they are wrong(know for me/believe for zakk) and overally his attitude seems townish

Again what is piinging you ass scum ?

[Shiro]

What can I say Axl. I am a very considerate person. Like be with me in one game and I get filled with concern after that^_^

Spoiler:

Sorry I just felt like making a joke :p It was a bad joke ;~;

[Shiro]

BBT will you answer why you scumread Scorpious or not?

[Shiro]

@Axl Yea about that I was planning to read that game a bit instead of just skimming his iso buuuut I kinda got bored and never did it ^_^;

From what I remember though he was more collected, serious and less eratic.

[Shiro]

hypocrisy isn't a scumtell

And ika's probably town.

How exactly is ika probably town?

[Shiro]

Ribbit! That's my first prod!

Weren't you supposed to hold the palace while singer was away?

Tsk Tsk Tsk

Btw add BBT to the people I could lynch. I really dislike how he avoids sayin why he scumreads Scorpious

[Shiro]

I'm not sure scum/ika has that big of a temper regarding my stance on mala.

Easy to fake tbh

Also the town ika I played with was very active, taking risks without caring much what people would think, heck he fake claimed cop and rolled with it till he died. I am not seeing any of that here. He is far more passive and distant from the game.

[Shiro]

You can't just fakeclaim cop every game.

And being distant isn't always alignment indicative.

Of course you can't

I am just saying that his town game seemed to be an active risk taker not a passive lurker

[Shiro]

I am quickly losing interest in this game

That because everyone is being apathetic.

Tried to start something with BBT but nope just a prodoge

I would anylise my wagon but apart from shadow I townread everyone on it (well notscience is null but nothing that could change my mind from his vote). Although shadows vote was pretty suspiciosly placed. He didn't swap to me till at least 2 people that were at least partially townread had already voted me. Not only that but he said he had the same suspicions as Axl from before Axl made his post about me yet didn't really do anything and safe voted VeeGee who was unlikely to go through at the time plus easily policy lynched explained without much suspicion.


Tbh I am just going to vote him he is my strongest scumread as of right now.

VOTE:Shadow

[Shiro]

1 New Improved Axlegreaser now Moar table flips. (Actual)

[Shiro]

I would love reasonings behind pretty much every read on that list.

Seconded

[Shiro]

So that alone made him your second top townread?

[Shiro]

in

VeeGee finally replaced

A lot of inactivity

My wagon

That pretty much sums it up

[Shiro]

Cool, can we lynch Scorpious then?

It seems improbable. People seem quite dedicated to my death.

You can vote shadow with me if you want

[Shiro]

I also don't mind you being lynched.

Cool cool welcome to the lynch Shiro club. I will hand out cookies when I reach l-1

So you are going to explain why you scumread Scorpious or nah?

[Shiro]

I fine that excuse to be kinda bs

Yiu have been avoiding answering that since the start of the day. What gives?

[Shiro]

I just told you - I don't think I have the presence or the town cred needed to drive a wagon by myself.

Yiu.might had if you had given the case a few days ago. Also in the off chance yiu die at night having your reasons is still useful like for godsake dude

[Shiro]

Like seriously what part of this is town behaviour

[Shiro]

What part of it is scum behaviour?

You are holding info from town how the bloody hell is not that scummy ?

We can keep going around in circles if you like - are you voting Shiro?

He was the first person to vote me. BBT are you even int his game or you were just active lurking calling ;eople scum with 0 reasons that you one day might reveal ?

[Shiro]

I'm not withholding information - I'm telling you I will share it. Just not today.

For the record you said you will tell us later 4 days ago

[Shiro]

Indeed.

Now what?

Now nothing I just do not get why you avoid saying your reasoning and I wont lie, it really bugs me.

[Shiro]

Why does it bug you Shiro?

Cause it does, I null townread scorpius and here you are saying you have some valid reasoning he is scum and you refuse to tell it and I feel like I am missing something that he did that I cant bloody see but I can't find it and you refuse to say it so it bugs the hell out of me

[Shiro]

You said there was movement in your list - if it was nothing significant then why mention it? It's a very generic 'Hey, look at me, my reads are changing because of the new information provided' but what you post doesn't actually say anything specific or tell us where you're at in the game.

Why do you think Zakk is scum? I mean, if your whole reasoning boils down to that one post (which isn't scummy) then it's pretty weak.

You mean this ^ ???

[Shiro]

Okay I'm back. Game's gone literally nowhere

Vote: shiro

I wonder why

[Shiro]

PoE The hammer and apathy

Sadly it seems nobody since people don't seem to care enough to poke around.

Shadow and ika ISO mE for the reasons cause I am on phone

[Shiro]

Unofficial VC

(0) Malakittens —
(0) ika —
(0) Metal Sonic —
(1) shaddowez Shiro
(0) AxleGreaser —
(1) BlueBloodedToffee — Scorpious
(6) Shiro — AxleGreaser, shaddowez, singersigner, Malakittens, notscience,zakk
(3) Scorpious — BlueBloodedToffee, pistachi0n
(0) notscience —
(0) zakk —
(0) pistachi0n —
(0) singersigner —

(3) (NOT VOTING) — ika, Metal Sonic

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

[Shiro]

Lol

The moment when you do an unofficial VC and you realise you are at L-1

[Shiro]

Not a single counter wagon. Well, that's worrying.

NS joining Mala on the wagon feels all kinds of wrong. What is going on here...

Apathy and easy following. After my hammer voting me is the easy way outwithout many eyebrows raised. Everyone seems content with PoEing the game to finish

P.edit: When someone shows intend sure.

[Shiro]

We should lynch Scorpious today.

Shiro, you should join for self preservation.

Weren't you content with lynching me today and explaining Scorpious tomorrow?

Regardless I might have to since although I null town read him I an the only person I am certain is town which is funnily enough useless because he is not voting me and will hammer me for the same reason.

*sigh *

Scorpious pretty eager there for the claim aren't we?

[Shiro]

Also, I can hammer you if you want Shiro.

I really don't mind.

Nah, i dare say I enjoy living

Shiro, you're at L-1.. it's a legitimate question.

Fair enough

[Shiro]

I CAN'T FEEL MY BUTT WHT ARE WE EVEN DOING

Waiting. Seeing as there is no counterwagon scum don't really feel the need to do anything, town is pretty apathetic right now so they are not doing anything so we are in a bunch of nothing

[Shiro]

Whatever I will just claim whoever hammer me after that

I am Joat

1-shot doc
1-shot tracker
1-shot commuter

Used the 1 shot doc to protect singer night 1

Now progress this thing , hopefully you will catch scum tomorrow.

Still think most likely scum is Shadow and ika possibly pistachio. I dunno after that I null read notscience and town read everyone else.

gg and good luck town

[Shiro]

Sorry team I pretty much carry the whole burden for that lose I screwed up big time. ;~;

I still don't get how Mala cced me though

*Sigh*

In any case fun game.

P.S metal its not your fault the cherry is irresistible ^_^ when yiu changed your mind was the moment I thought that I finally might have a chance xD

[Shiro]

Also big thanks to Quadz for stepping in when I got super busy with RL stuff and helping me be a better mod in general.

Any feedback would be appreciated (via PM) because I plan on modding more and would like to be good at it. I hope to see a few of you in future games!

Pre-in for the game in teh future : D