Mini Normal 1707 - Frog Mafia! - GAME OVER - TOWN WIN!

[pistachi0n]

Hello! I am going to catch up and post in a few hours. Is there anything in particular any of you would like me to address?

[pistachi0n]

Scorpious stood out to me as the most scummy. I noticed distancing between Scorpious and Maxwell that heavily contribute to my scumread.

In Scorp's first real post 236, he mentioned some people who he thought were town and null. Didn't list any scumreads besides zakk--the nostefaru/Max slot wasn't mentioned at all. But then in 240 he was very confident that the slot wasn't scum. Then he mostly coasted, until he unvoted Zakk in 527 without being prompted or explaining why.

In 540:

I have not stated any views on Max,The only time I even said his name was when I was asking Zakk if he had plans to hop on the Wagon. I didn't find this slot scummy with his,and I really don't find it scummy now

In that quote, it's like he's going out of his way to show that he's not associated with Maxwell. But then he votes for Shiro with Maxwell.

In 1010 zakk made a really stupid most. From previous experience, the only people who say things that dumb are town, and scum eagerly jump on them, like Scorpious did in 1026

On Maxwell's end, in his early reads list, he puts Scorp high on the town side but doesn't engage with him or mention him the rest of the day, which is odd considering he was a highly interactive player.

VOTE: Scorpious

[pistachi0n]

Town:
me
Malakittens
ika
AxleGreaser
BlueBloodedToffee
Shiro
notscience
singersigner
Zakk
Metal Sonic
shaddowez
Scorpious
Scum

[pistachi0n]

I would love reasonings behind pretty much every read on that list.

Mala's reaction to the wagon was towny, I like her pushes and aggressiveness, she was willing to change her vote but had good reasoning when she did.

Ika seemed genuinely frustrated in 750, it reminds me of a different game when he got frustrated when nobody was listening to him and I don't think he'd call attention to himself like that as scum.

Metal Sonic is an obnoxious town troll.

[pistachi0n]

Shadow notices a lot of scummy things that would have flown under my radar. 250, 770, and 942 are examples. But I don't like how he called Maxwell out for scummy behavior in 341 yet was never part of his lynch wagon. I get that not everybody off the wagon can be scum and at least one person on the wagon probably is, but it does tick him down a few town points if I'm making an ordered list.

I like Axle, it takes a little more effort to read through his posts but they come across as genuine, see 241[/post.] His FOS votes early in the game rubbed me the wrong way though, what's the point?

In [post]378 BBT weakly scumread Maxwell but then defended him strongly when the wagon was on. That kind of interaction bleeps my radar, but other than that BBT's been productive and confrontational as usual. Maxwell also avoided engaging with BBT at all, I don't like that because they're both interactive players.

[pistachi0n]

Town:
me
Malakittens
ika
AxleGreaser
BlueBloodedToffee
Shiro
notscience
singersigner
Zakk
Metal Sonic
shaddowez
Scorpious
Scum

EBWOP Switch Shadow and Shiro. Also, Metal Sonic's position is like, I think he's town because he's such a troll, but really, he's not being useful at all.

[pistachi0n]

So that alone made him your second top townread?

Yes. He's genuine. Not the most useful but probably the most genuine.

[pistachi0n]

Shiro is coasting, pretty null, nothing she's done has majorly stood out to me. But based on interactions with Max I don't think she was a likely buddy. It doesn't come across like they were talking during the day at all.

I don't like how notscience votes first and explains later. Like he's waiting to see how everyone reacts first.

[pistachi0n]

Mala's reaction to which wagon was townie and why?

A few people were scum-reading her in the beginning of the game. She deflected but didn't overreact. I scumread people who either ignore wagons or who panic about early RVS wagons.

[pistachi0n]

I didn't like how singer was eager for a quicklynch earlier in the game, later on she seems very towny. It makes me suspicious how she's unquestioningly being townread.

Zakk is aggressive without real content. That's scummy.

[pistachi0n]

VOTE: Scorpious

[pistachi0n]

I'm assuming BBT was a miller.

[pistachi0n]

I'm assuming BBT was a miller.

Why?

Because the flip said "bad vanilla." What else would that mean?

[pistachi0n]

That was the name of the frog he was assigned - it's used a number of times in the mod's flavor text (not just in the lynch post, either).

I stand corrected.

The BBT lynch was rushed and awful. Most of the votes were terrible. Scorpious's 1296 was the worst.

[pistachi0n]

Guys, don't lynch Scorp. It makes much more sense to lynch zakk (or Mala as a second, though I don't even really want to say I'd settle on her lynch today - hers is more PoE).

Why don't you believe she's JK?

[pistachi0n]

Even backup rolecop and encryptor.

I think an encryptor would make scum unusually strong because they can coordinate during day.

[pistachi0n]

So, how about today, we lynch either Scorpious or Mala. I think Scorp is scummier but I will go with Mala if that's the majority. If who it is flips town, we lynch the other one tomorrow.

[pistachi0n]

Scorpious is more scummy in the vote counts than Mala or Zakk. If Scorpious flips town, Mala or Zakk is scum but I would go with Mala first.

[pistachi0n]

please provide details for your statement.

He was not involved in lynching Maxwell or Shiro. Zakk didn't lynch Maxwell but did lynch Shiro. Both lynched BBT. Granted it's not much. I also picked up on associative tells between Maxwell and Scorp on day 1.

[pistachi0n]

I'm missing something. If singer's an unlimited day cop, why haven't we won already? Was that sarcasm?

[pistachi0n]

I mean, if it's unlimited, what's stopping her from investigating every single person and telling us who the scum is?

[pistachi0n]

...I'm not an unlimited day cop. -_-

Why are people saying you are? Is it all a big joke?

[pistachi0n]

Maybe I'm also scared that the last scum is smart and is no killing on purpose. :\

Literally the only person in this game who would do tha tis me.

Are you claiming scum?

[pistachi0n]

I thought notscience's comment was weird (if I'm the one the question is directed at)

[pistachi0n]

Do you think notscience would post that as scum or town?

[pistachi0n]

It's between him and Pistacio at this point, imo.

I'm a VT

[pistachi0n]

okay and the other result...?

What other result?

I appreciate the table.

[pistachi0n]

If it's not Scorp or Zakk, it's Mala. Also--Mala shouldn't tell us who she's going to JK before the night starts. If the person she's picking isn't scum, the remaining scum will know not to kill them.

[pistachi0n]

Zakk's last few posts seen really town. I see no scum motivation.

[pistachi0n]

Scorp, what changed between 1547 and 1550?

[pistachi0n]

Scorpious, answer my question from earlier!

I trust Metal more than shadow.

[pistachi0n]

VOTE: Shaddowez

A no lynch is a bad idea.
I trust Metal more, his refusal to claim until anyone else went seems genuine.
Shadow's claim was fishy.

[pistachi0n]

VOTE: zakk

We have less than 24 hours left and this is the biggest wagon and I don't want a no lynch.

[pistachi0n]

@People who have seen this but not hammered: Why have you not hammered?

[pistachi0n]

Not you, zakk.

We are in danger of a no lynch. Ika loves hammering. I'm suspecting he's scum for tomorrow.

[pistachi0n]

Singer, you misunderstood me. I was saying it's a bad thing if ika doesn't hammer. I'm on the biggest wagon because we only have a few hours left. Why aren't you hammering?

[pistachi0n]

Pistachi0n if you have a better idea now might be good time.

My better idea is

1. Lynch Ika
2. If Ika is town lynch Mala
3. If Mala is town lynch Scorpious

VOTE: Ika

[pistachi0n]

If I might politely suggest every one should find and read their role PM again....? I just did I am still town

I think the mod would have prodded if there were a mafia member who didn't know they were mafia...this seems like it's trying to distract from something.

[pistachi0n]

I still wouldn't consider her likely. Even if v/la it wouldn't take her very long to submit a kill request, I still think it has something to do with jailing.

[pistachi0n]

if ika is town, then i'm not jailing anyone next night

Why? They'll kill you. Unless you're mafia.

[pistachi0n]

At this point it will clear me if I die and then we can move on instead of lynching me to clear me.

What if they kill someone who isn't you?

[pistachi0n]

pistachio - Why that order? The only logical way to think ika is scum is if he targeted Scorp N3. Do you really think that was the case?

I'm not going to pretend like I know what goes through Ika (or anyone's) mind as scum. Either Ika targeted Scorp or Scorp targeted Ika or someone else targeted both of them, whatever. I put Ika first because he was scummier yesterday (although Scorp was scummier early game) but to be honest it doesn't matter because we have more than 3 mislynches left.

I say Mala after Ika because Mala scum is more likely than Mala being perfectly accurate with who's going to be targeted.

And Scorp if Mala is town, because then she'll be cleared as JK and we'll know that when she JK'd Scorp, nobody died.