Mini 1700: Space Mafia (Game Over)

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For being a block...

VOTE: BlockyMan

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You don't think 20 is rvs?

I don't know about you, but being a block is a sign of evil as far as I'm concerned.

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A very weak "RVS" vote comes in late from DeasVail. This one was particularly weird cause it comes after initial RVS votes are done & over with. I would consider this a real vote.

You can consider it what you want to consider it!

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Anyway has anyone actually seen early wagons become early mislynches or why do you fear it particularly now or what?

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I was planning to catch up and do stuff tonight but time got away from me, so tomorrow it will be!

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Catch up happens now! Sorry for being late with it.

I will say it's probably best not to talk about ongoing games at all, this includes talking about talking about them. I am probably saying what I shouldn't be here but this is my only game at the moment and I'm not looking at any others, so I have no idea what's happening and don't plan to.

All caught up! And I have townreads. I'll take a look at some things and post again soon.

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VOTE: GlassCannon

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Actually there's nothing more I want to say right now.

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I am very worried that we have a train on someone who claimed Day 1. Feels like a scum wagon forming.
I honestly think Swords claim is legit and the people trying discredit are either bad town or just scum.

Actually, who is trying to discredit him?

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Because I suspect him, but really at this time I'd prefer not to say more.

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what do you gain by not explaining your vote

It's more the relatively minor what I would lose by explaining it. It's not a whole lot, but do I really care if other people suspect GlassCannon or not? Not really at this stage. I do have reasons for suspecting him and whatnot but I feel like there are things that need to happen before I'm more transparent with it.

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Ok!

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Oh dear.

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Victor, I'm currently reading Garmr as town and Glass as scum from the whole ordeal, but I could be wrong.

Fragger, what don't you like about my vote?

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They're not really against each other I don't think?

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So I've grown impatient waiting for GlassCannon. I don't have an incredibly wide attention span it seems!

Anyway, I suspect him for two main things. One is something I think is best left unsaid for now, but the other was this part of his post.

Honestly, like I said, for me Sword is basically conftown, and at this point, votes on Sword are stupid, and Sword is a stupid D1 lynch. He's likely the NK, and lynching him today means somebody else get's NK'd. Bad Victor. Bad.

VOTE: VictorDeAgnelo

It seemed fairly obvious to me that Victor's vote was as a result of not being caught up on the thread (or pretending not to be, if you swing that way), but either way it's really unlikely that lynching Sword was on the cards for him so I don't get suspecting and voting him for it at all.

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Well the other thing I can't say without talking about SwordMaster's alignment and my own opinion on it, which is a thing that I'm not really willing to do so I won't do it.

Regarding Victor, I didn't want to post that because he hadn't posted since the vote on SwordMaster (iirc?) and I wanted to see what he would post after that. I also greedily wanted to see how GlassCannon would react (if at all) to my vote but that wasn't so important in the end. I know pretty solidly think Victor is town though, so woo for that.

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Also who puts an SK in a 13p setup lol?

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If you could answer my question though Firebringer it would be much appreciated.

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Glass, my suspicion of you based on the Victor vote isn't assuming that it's a DIE DIE DIE vote. It didn't make any sense to me as any kind of vote (except one where the reasoning is made up, but why even do that in that case as town?) and your thoughts on him really didn't seem like you were thinking about the post he made at all.

Also, guessing my other reasons for suspecting you is likely going to lead you no where. I don't think you're scum for saying you find SwordMaster town. As you say, it's a pretty safe position to have considering everyone is doing it! And I've already mentioned my unwillingness to talk about my opinion on Sword, so answering your questions is not a thing that's going to happen.

RedFF, if you're going to expect great things from me, you're going to be disappointed I'm pretty sure. I've been pretty clear on the fact that this paragon thing is something which I really don't deserve based on my play. If I had my way, it wouldn't affect things at all, but it does sadly.

damn this is pretty scummy tbh, seems like you're overcalculating

Also, you have admittedly pressured Glass into explaining himself. I currently think he's scum, but I see nothing wrong in the post he made. I sometime look at votes in the same way! So the whole thing of pressuring him into making that response and then attacking the response is pretty to me.

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Fraggers has gotten better over time

I've been thinking the opposite? Like the vote on Blocky seems really one-sided and not that well thought through.

Fragger, why do you think Blocky as scum would behave in such a way? Surely scum would realise that what he's doing is a very very slippery slope to getting suspected? I could be wrong about his alignment, but that's where my head is at.

Same question to RedFF. I was suspicious of Blocky before, but now, especially with the very obvious opposition there is to anyone suspecting SwordMaster, it just seems really unlikely. Like, what is his plan here if scum? He could have grand ambitions of getting SwordMaster lynched, but he is not trying nearly hard enough for that, even if we ignore that glaring lack of likelihood of that happening anyway. If he doesn't want to get SwordMaster lynched and is 'suspecting' him for show, then what does he hope to achieve from that. I think it would be a fairly expected thing that people would find him scummy for it! The only thing that would make sense of his actions for me is if he's scum with SwordMaster, which is where what I will say will stop and I very much doubt that it's what anyone is considering.

Also as other people are saying, BlockyMan's looking real sketchy right now. Not ready to put my vote on him this early, but FoS is definitely on him as far as I'm concerned.

Oh this is gold.

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Frag, so do you think Blocky is scum or are you just wanting to see him slip as scum? It's been a bit unclear to me. No need to mention ongoing games and I probably won't be looking at your game history honestly since I find it confuses me rather than helps (others can get a lot from it though!) but feel free to mention anything you think is particularly relevant.

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Frag, so do you think Blocky is scum or are you just wanting to see him slip as scum? It's been a bit unclear to me. No need to mention ongoing games and I probably won't be looking at your game history honestly since I find it confuses me rather than helps (others can get a lot from it though!) but feel free to mention anything you think is particularly relevant.

A little of both. He's a scum lean right now for me, as well as I'm going to put some pressure on him. I don't think for the most part his playstyle has been pro-town at all. Even now providing reads they don't have much content behind them at all. He says someone Is making pro-town posts but doesn't explain in further details what those posts are. I feel like I have a decent read on Blocky.

Ok, my opinion is that scum put a greater amount of effort into looking pro-town because it helps them look better and thus serves their win condition. However, I have been caught out in thinking this before and sometimes scum just don't care, so what I think is definitely not foolproof nor should it be blindly followed. I think Blocky is town though!

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I am here to say hi.

Such a bad active lurkerer

I honestly don't have much to say so far. Blocky still seems most like scum.

What is your opinion on the contrary arguments that have been raised

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I am here to say hi.

Such a bad active lurkerer

I honestly don't have much to say so far. Blocky still seems most like scum.

What is your opinion on the contrary arguments that have been raised

They are well written arguments.

No. Honestly Day 1 is a big hassle for me. Its just mass guess work and theory crafting. Day 2 is when you actually figure stuff out. I would rather us lynch Blocky right now then if Blocky is scum that gives us options and have us look at who defended them tomorrow.

Or reverse if town.

I prefer looking at voting patterns than actual post analysis, actions speak louder than words.

Well I don't know. If you want me to be interested in lynching blocky you'll need to have more than arguing how it's good 'if he's scum' because I don't think so. :/

If you don't want me to vote for him though, then keep going as you are!

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I'm still pretty keen to pursue Glass, but the whole possible replacement thing makes that kind of awkward. As for other wagons, I'm still not very keen on lynching Blocky. I can understand the Firebringer wagon, but I'm not eager to incredible amounts to lynch it. Probably weakly leaning town at this stage, but I'll have another look later.

Garmr, I'd like to know how your read on me has progressed. Since your vote on me people generally seem to have positive impressions of my alignment. Does this bother you etc.? Also, where are you at regarding today's lynch if you're willing to disclose this.

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I'm going to have a good read up and hopefully have decided on some sort of lynching direction tonight.

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I've read up and my opinions haven't really changed. Garmr, yolo, fire and scorp seem like possible scum to me but no one makes me feel the same way Glass did.

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,but I think my vote will do more on Blocky.

What does this actually mean? Like I get the fact that it sounds nice and reasonable, but I would've thought your vote would go on the person you think needs to be lynched (at this stage), not where your vote would do more.

Generally speaking I think this wagon will provide us with vote count logic for D2 as well as reads.

Is there a reason why this wagon will provide better vote count logic or reads than another wagon?

I've read up and my opinions haven't really changed. Garmr, yolo, fire and scorp seem like possible scum to me but no one makes me feel the same way Glass did.

well glass/havingfitz lynch isn't happening today i think u can agree so get on the fire wagon

Yeah.

VOTE: Firebringer

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Deas what actually looks scummy about me.

I remember you saying I would be good target for lynch instead of blocky but I have yet to hear reasons.

I can see you wanting a lynch to go through but what makes wagon on me better than blocky?

I called you scum and it really looks like you are being optimistic scum right now.

I haven't paid as close attention to the game lately as would be ideal and I don't find you particularly scummy, but your recent bravado seems possibly faked to me. I've also been thinking about your lack of discussion with me on Blocky and I do wonder why you missed the opportunity there to either pressure me (considering you think I could be scum with Blocky) into suspecting Blocky or to show me the light as such and convince me to follow the path of the block!

Mostly though, I just don't see blocky as scum, while I think you might be.

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Quick post but GrayFoxxx is someone I'll join if it needs to get a lynch through but probably not sooner than that. I just have no opinion yet on his alignment whatsoever and I'd prefer to have one before lynching if possible.

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so rather lynch player who is more experienced than a player claiming to be newb?

I don't really care about this honestly.

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I'll put a vote on the leading wagon before I sleep tonight.

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VOTE: BlockyMan

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Fitzzzzzzz

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Well I'd appreciate thoughts if possible given Day 1 and all.

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RedFF was a bodyguard btw. Also Fragger, if you think through the reasons why scum might not shoot a town-Vahlen, does that change anything for you?

Regarding Vahlen, I was a bit suspicious Day 1 after the quote and lack of mod-kill, as I thought it would indicate that what Swored quoted wasn't actually his role, but I don't think I'd want to lynch Vahlen today.

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Gut reaction is that I still think fragger is town but I'll look over him again when I have more time.

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I would like to focus on the vig requests for now.

I'm generally not keen on vig requests because I like the idea of scum not knowing who may be killed (and also as a vig I'd hatehatehate being told what to do but that's just me ). You're certainly free to take requests if you like but I certainly don't mind if not.

I don't think fraggers should be lynched today as scum could of sent a bullet fraggers way as well

How likely do you think this is?

Kudos but it's still OMGUS.

So Doctor claims to have tried to shoot you, so I don't see her suspicion of you could be OMGUS?

Ok guys my personal shit is cleared up for the next few days.
Anything I need to comment on in particular?

Why are you asking us what we want you to comment on rather than looking yourself? If you are town then it shouldn't be what we want that matters.

I believe Fragger over DV here. Gut feeling.

What do you mean?

Also,

FITZZZZZZZZZZ

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There's no reason to not be completely open with why I suspected Glass now so here goes.

My biggest problem with him was this.

In 109 he expresses concern that Sword Master would be modkilled for the quote, and looking at the rules would confirm that this would indeed be the case if it was a true quote. So one of the quite reasonable possibilities here is that Sword was lying about his role ---> scum.

However, the next post is 121 which is suddenly on about all how Sword is town, and that thought progression is a bit weird to me considering 109 (I was considering that Sword might be scum at this point and I don't see how Glass wasn't considering the quote issue). What I find most notable though, is 151, where he attacks Victor for voting for Sword. Even if Glass was keeping quiet the fact that he maybe thought Sword was scum like I was, attacking people for voting Sword doesn't make any sense? It would make much more sense for him to actually consider that Sword might be scum considering his investigation into the quote rule. And if anything I had a positive reaction to anyone voting for Sword because they were at risk of some town mob bearing down on them if they did. So, this was ages ago but was the main reason I was so obsessed with Glass. I would like to see fitz's posts but there are... not a whole lot of them yet.

Pedit: Answer my question and then I'll answer yours.

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I also like Deas's breakdown of 109. If Sword was actually the "vigi" there would of been a mod kill due to his quoting of his role PM. There was not one.

Keep in mind that I still think Doctor is town though.

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Why not? And why is it alignment indicative?

I think scum are more concerned with appearing good to the town and so would be more likely to ask such a question, while town would more likely have their own idea of what to comment on. There is nothing wrong with the question. My problem more comes from the lack of anything else.

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What fight?

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ohhhhh Realised that Doctor Vahlen is DV. Oops.

Everything makes so much more sense now

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Does anyone besides this frsg and DV fight have strong reads on anyone?

I have some strong townreads!

PEdit: Nah it's fine now that I'm not being stupid. I'm so used to being the only DV around so it takes some getting used to!

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I don't think sword is scum, but am surprised by glass's reaction after thinking it was a direct quote

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I'll put a vote on the leading wagon before I sleep tonight.

Deas,Do you see how this can come off as lazy and opportunistic? You held true.. Was there any other basis to your vote other than this?

If you're going to accuse me of being lazy and opportunistic when I'm trying to get a lynch through (I don't see how one could ever make an argument for lynching Blocky being worse than no-lynching), then I really don't know what to say. Why did you even make this post?

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I actually like how GrayFox didn't cave and try to produce his own content after I attacked him for it.

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I mean, I'd like it if he did, but from an alignment point of view it seems kind of town.

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I think it was kind of obvious that I just wanted a lynch. I thought Blocky was town, but obviously with the number of people that didn't I'd rather lynch him than do nothing and have the same thing happen Day 2.

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I actually like how GrayFox didn't cave and try to produce his own content after I attacked him for it.

710 says other wise

That was in response to a question he was asked, which was his whole plan originally.

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I think it was kind of obvious that I just wanted a lynch. I thought Blocky was town, but obviously with the number of people that didn't I'd rather lynch him than do nothing and have the same thing happen Day 2.

I'll give just a little here. That choice at the end of a day where it is the leading wagon but it's a town read for you,does kinda suck..

I agree that a lynch is imperative..

I am actually interested in why you pursued this line of questioning with me though. What did you expect to get?

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And what is your conclusion?

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Right now I wouldn't lynch Garmr, Scorpious, Deas or Gray.

Can you explain Garmr, Scorpious and Gray?

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Slandaar yesssss

VOTE: ScorpiousVOTE:

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Oops. Phone posting is hard.

VOTE: ScorpiousVOTE:

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Gah I did the same thing. This is the worst.

VOTE: Scorpious

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Those skills

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I was going to wait for fitz to show up before voting, but Scorpious has always been someone who has seemed pretty possible as scum to me. His questioning of me did indeed leave a sour taste in my mouth, as I still don't really understand the motivation behind it. If he did really wonder if I was voting in order to have a wagon to carry me (as suggested in 730), then what would he expect me to say? Oh yes, I just voted BlockyMan because really I'm a manipulative scummy scum that wants to be pro-town and lynch Blocky for some reason. Hmmmm! If he really thought my initial response to him was "a weak thing to say" then why does he even believe me?

Other than that I don't really like his responses to Slandaar and he's just generally been in the peripheries, sort of there, and I think that's where scum like to be!

This doesn't mean fitz is off the hook though!

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Also Deas is really good at the scumhunting so you should sheep him. You know it makes sense

JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, Slandaar agreeing with me was at least part of the reason I voted.

(He's pretty great)

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Slandaar, why do you townread Garmr?

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DeasVail's skillful analysis

I want to know what you mean here.

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Anything that resembles your towngame.

Well I don't think I've had a town game since last year so I wouldn't be surprised if it's different. I'd like to know what exactly you mean though. My town game is really made out to be a lot better than it is.

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Town usually don't say that they are worse than their reputation, which you are not.

I need to get some indication of your familiarity with me, because this is very blatantly irrelevant when it comes to me.

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DoctorV, what confuses me is that I have very publicly voiced my opinion that I'm not as great as everyone thinks I am. This has included during the scummies ceremony, in the leadup to team mafia, in out-of-game chat. Pretty much everyone that knows me will know that I don't have a high opinion of my own town-game. So it surprises me that someone that so confidently comments on the strength of both my town and scum game (and claims to know that this is different from my town game) does not know of my low confidence when it comes to this stuff.

As deadline is a fair way away and Fitz is my strongest scumread. I'm not going to put any extra effort into lynching Scorpious. If he is lynched then I'll be happy with that, but my main priority right now is actually getting posts from Fitz to either confirm or weaken my scumread of him.

If you'd like my reads, I guess it can be represented somewhat like the following.

TOWN

Victor/Slandaar
Fraggernaut
Firebringer/GrayFoxx
Garmr/Yoloswag
Scorpious
havingfitz

SCUM

You were in the top group and might still be there, but I don't know what to think of your recent comments on me. It's remarkably inaccurate but at the same time there's this weird confidence and I don't know what to think of it.

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Oh, and what is the basis of your read on Scorpious? Is it the fact that you scumread me, or is there more to it than that?

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What reasons, beyond the fact I'm pushing them, do you have for townreading them?

Are you asking me something here?

If you really think my town-game is as good as you say it is, then I implore you to actually consider my reads. I also would like it very much if you actually explained your scorpious townread without being immature about it. And now you're attacking me for having fitz as my strongest scumread?

If you just want to ignore each other until one of us dies then I can do that, but I would prefer it not to be the case.

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I am. I'm asking you why you're townreading Fire and Flaggernaut. I did what debate people call a turn. I asked you the same question you asked me with the same tone. You asked me if I had any reason for townreading Scorpious beyond you pushing them, and I'd like an answer. I find it interesting that you called my response immature. My response is I find there's no reason to think he's scum. You could elaborate, if there's anything there.

That would require you to actually match your towngame. I want to see a case, you push, light a fire under your ass. I want to see you follow your reads. Engage me.

Well that's frankly pretty silly because obviously you're suspicion of fraggernaut and firebringer has nothing to do with my read of them, whereas you've stated multiple times that I'm scum who wants to mislynch Scorpious, leaving it unclear as to whether it was thinking me scum that made you think her was town.

Doctor, I'm going to do what I want to do. Trying to change this is in an attempt to be read as town by you just seems really unappealing given that you're reading me based on some confident knowledge of my play and who I am as a person when it's obviously incorrect. I think Scorpious is scum and I am on his wagon. I'm not going to push hard for him to be lynched at this time because I want content from fitz first. It looks like you're going to have a problem with me scumreading Scorpious anyway since it's apparently so obvious for town to see, but by saying this and that the only reason for anyone scumreading him is being clouded by scum pushes, and nothing more, you're making any engagement with you difficult.

Firebringer I've been reading as weak town. I actually liked the way that he responded to the Blocky lynch. There was a whole lot of bravado while the Blocky wagon was happening, but then Day 2 there really is a sudden shift, and to me it seems like a genuine one based on being wrong. 622 is loads different from Day 1 and it comes across as real to me. And I like the reconsidering of reads done in 648. The same thing occurs again in 792 so it's consistent. It is possible that this is a plan by scum and so the read is only weak, but my guess is that it's town.

My read on Fragger is less specific and more a general impression, but his thoughts are just wildly all over the place in a way that I feel is much more likely to come from town than scum. There are logical inconsistencies which I feel scum would be careful to avoid (yet I could see them from town) and it just doesn't seem like a scum-behaviour to me.

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@Deasvail wrt to post 793...you seem to be obssessed with me.  If you want to vote this slot because of what my predecessor has done...then why not do so? 
Once I have posted this post I will be caught up and remain engaged.  Another gmae I was in just finished so I should have time for this one.  Also...what is your opinion of Firebringer D2?

I am completely and utterly obsessed with you fitzy.

In all seriousness though, GlassCannon was just my super pet scumread and as wonderful as it would have felt to vote for you, I had to admit that it wasn't going to do anything with you being V/LA. Also don't really get you saying that I was voting for your slot and Blocky as a reason not to join Scorp? Especially Blocky given that I was hard defending him up until deadline where it was obvious no one else was going to be lynched.

Oh and I have a weak townread on firebringer. I explained it in a recent post.

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Are you doing anything else but championing my lynch..

You make it sound like this is a problem?

Would anyone else agree that Slandaar's posts have officially crossed the fluff barrier?

I get it, Slandaar's posts are all about wanting to lynch you and you don't like that. However, why downplay his posting by calling it fluff? And let's assume he really does think you're scum and wants to lynch you. Is there anything scummy about him trying to make that happen?

& think the ISO argument is weak at best.

The ISO argument is not really among my reasons for wanting to lynch him.

Frag, if Slandaar is scum, why is it so important that Scorpious is lynched and not someone else?

On the other hand you have Slandaar. In that particular game he was kind of on the defensive throughout the first day. He never pushed like he is in this game & his tone of posting was so different. In that game he seemed more relaxed, he seemed comfortable. This game he does not. His push on Scorpious seems so forced. In that game Slandaar flipped town cop as he was lynched d1.

Could the fact that he was a town cop there explain the difference in playstyle?

Scorpious's play has been textbook noob town IMO.

Just so you know, this doesn't do anything for me, but I think you knew that.

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Oh yeah and I'm more cool with actually lynching Scorpious (as opposed to cheerleading the wagon) than I was, so Fitz can wait.

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if the wagon on Scorp has to do with him reading ISO's then thats a bullshit case

For what it's worth this isn't why I'm voting for him.

I welcome a wagon on myself.

Why?

The last couple of pages have mostly been lots of fighting that I don't really care for. Vote for Scorpious!

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The scorp wagon has stalled, as has Fire's. Based on the last few pages, what's your current read on Frag?

My town read has slipped a little, but my guess is still town. A wagon stalling is not going to stop me from wanting a lynch on who I think is scum.

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Oh cool. Maybe this Scorpious lynch can actually happen now!

A wagon stalling is not going to stop me from wanting a lynch on who I think is scum.

Are you willing to support another candidate to secure a lynch?

Uh not really, sorry.

@Deasvail....Fitz can wait for what?  Do you have something?

You can wait to be lynched!

VOTE: Slandaar

So you think scum have a watcher?

Where is he saying that he thinks scum have a watcher?

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Oh for some reason I didn't think about the fact that Slandaar's role as watcher (or at the very least tracker) would be confirmed from Scorpious-town's PoV. My mistake.

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VOTE: Slandaar

So you think scum have a watcher?

I hadn't claimed at the point he voted so your post is misleading Fitz.

oh I knew there was a reason why I asked my question

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V/LA due to health issues. Back soon.

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I will have to note down the 28th August as the official end of my V/LA. If this is too long I am ok with being replaced, though I should be free to catch up completely on the 28th.

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Getting caught up now right now!

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Yeah I was confused by the numbering system. I don't know why I thought last night was night three. I don't know.

@ Garmr How does it make Doctor conftown? Explain please.

@Victor Already said what I needed to say. I was wrong as was a few others. Moving on.

Fragger, why is there no unvote here?

Ok, and that's all I really have to comment on... Thank you everyone for not posting much.

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Ok so where I stand at the moment is:

Havingfitz is still main scumread and who I have the most ~stuff~ on. Shaded kind of just fits in as PoE scum but I don't really have much reason for that. And then we have Fragger and Gray as sort of outside choices but they're less scummy to me.

So onto why Havingfitz is scum.

In addition to my reasons or suspecting GlassCannon, I think his play around the Scorp wagon yesterday was really sketchy and I suspect him even more now.

I'm still experiencing problems so my posting will still be brief, but the basics of it is that 847 was basically a bunch of excuses for not voting Scorp. Slandaar was right that pressuring him with perhaps the most vocally influential town players in Slandaar and me would have made more sense. And using my vote on Blocky against me I still have a pretty big problem with because that was obviously a right-before-deadline compromise. If he thought firebringer was so scummy surely he would have pointed out the fact that I was supporting the firebringer lynch that day? The vote on Scorpius only comes when he kind of really doesn't have an option and as I originally pointed out and then forgot, 997 doesn't make sense as a reason to attack Scorp in that context, so feels like a scumbuddy trying to compensate for their prior lack of any real suspicion on their buddy. And not too impressed today either. There's just a lot of useless almost 'trashtalk' posting on Fragger too. Like 1063 and 1105 seem really quite unnecessary.

Vote: Havingfitz

[DeasVail]

Deasvail....look elsewhere. I think you're town so I'm not going to get all OMGUSy but the fact is...I do not bus as scum. I think in all my games I've only bussed once and the guy's lynch was inevitable. iirc I had Scorp as a suspect before Slandaar gave his results.

And the point of Slandaar's you're echoing about not following you and him has already been addressed, in yesterday's twilight. I was on a wagon with 2 other town reads as well. No reason to give you and Slandaar preference. Especially given both your reads were/are crap wrt to me and I've played with you before.

See, my problem here is that Scorpius' lynch was inevitable. So I question you using the fact that you only bus when it's inevitable as an argument. And if you're going to argue that you were bussing him before, well I'm afraid that the weak suspicion you had going on doesn't count.

My problem isn't so much with you not joining us on the Scorpius wagon. It's more with the reasons you used. Using the Blocky lynch against me was ridiculous. Complaining about our read on your slot when you'd barely posted was also kind of

[DeasVail]

@DV, why no response to me outing my main?

I knew it was you.

[DeasVail]

Ok sure, but if you flip scum this quote looks kinda like you are trying to "coach" me, like I'm your partner.

You might not to get to answer until the next day, but want to get this out there in case I'm killed. Why does this bother you, and why the need to say it before fitz even flips?

I suspect that Fitz's post does mean town, but if he's scum I'll have pretty serious concerns about this. Still would like the question answered at some point in any case.

[DeasVail]

I would prefer to no lynch.

VOTE: No Lynch

[DeasVail]

I'll catch up a bit later tonight!

[DeasVail]

Well since the mod was changed over, I can't view previous vote counts which is unfortunate; cause IMO vote counts can be very telling when you get farther innto the game, especially in a MYLO or LYLO situation.

This is a pretty lame excuse.

VOTE: Fraggernaut

[DeasVail]

Thanks for taking over Ether. Btw you may open the mafia PT!