Mini 1715 - Z - Game over!

[Radja]

I'm here and will read this evening!

[Radja]

Ok. Time to catch up.

-Looks like we have town Nacho. Yay!

But seriously never try to undersell yourself. It just makes me think your scum.

Because its like preping yourself in case you do something stupid

Aka you can use it as a excuse latter on only scum need that kind of excuse

I think you're taking that statement a bit too far. There's a difference between stating you're not a very good player and covering up stupid mistakes.

I'll vote you.

No you won't. You're town and I'm town. And you can read me like an open book. I think Woody is town. Do you agree?

[Radja]

His interactions with Woody and Ciara both give me a town vibe. I especially liked #60

[Radja]

Two questions;

1. If you're reading Nacho why didn't you notice that he already commented on Woody's townishness or lack thereof?

2. I would advance a town read to Nacho but was offput by his quick and early semi-buddy of me with the whole 'looks like we're both town, wink, wink' line - how do you interpret that from him differently than I did?

1. Well, stuff happened between then and my post. Reads change. I wanted to get confirmation from him.

2. I don't know how well Nacho reads you. I'm also leaning town on you, so I'm not that bothered by his read on you. Have you played with scum-Nacho before?

Have you played with scum Nacho and/or looked at scum games?

I have played with both town-Nacho and scum-Nacho. I don't read games I was not a part of.

I'm not heavily scumreading anyone either, although Woody's spam posting reads a little scummy to me.

You should read this game and iso Woody. It should give you a pretty clear view on how Woody plays as town. I was scum in that game, so I might be a bit biased commenting on it, but I thought Woody was obvtown in that one.

[Radja]

Cheers, I'll give that a read later!

So, did you read it?

Garmr: You discredit both Thor and Nacho in one post, without actually calling them scum in #124, can you please give an explanation for both these comments?

I don't like this post to say some one is lurky after only a couple of days RL is unjustified and reachy.

Another scumread on Karmic now? Garmr, who is scum?

I don't mind woody as much anymore but dave and karmic are pretty high on my scum list.

If these guys are scum, how are you reading Nacho, Karmic and Thor now?

Wow, that was exhausting... If woody is town, he will be dead weight. All those words and absolutely nothing productive.

VOTE: woody

Really? I'd say Woody is generating quite a lot of discussion. Do you think that's not productive?

Is anyone familiar with Radja's meta, in particular whether a slow start is normal?

I'm mostly a slow starter yes. In this particular case, I was spectating the end of the Survivor game last night which kept me from posting in some of my mafia games. I do have plenty of reads in this game though. Which I'm sure you'll find.

I've played a few games with Radja where he's been town (I also think he's had a public alt) and the slow start isn't normal. I've not played a scum game with him.

Really? You don't think I'm a slow starter? Cool! The link I provided about Woody is my scumgame. In case you're interested.

I think I might sheep Thor for now.

VOTE: Ciara

[Radja]

busy weekend.

[Radja]

I have the flue, so consider this some sort of V/LA until I get better.

[Radja]

Apologies for slacking. I will try to catch up tomorrow evening, or if I can find time, this evening, which is less likely.

Is there a deadline for the day end??

[Radja]

Site was down last night, so I couldn't catch up. Let's see if I can pick this up. I'm going to attempt not making this a big wall post filled with quotes.

-Bella, you mention in #201 you're not seeing Ciara as a scum read. Has this changed at this point?
-Dave's #204 is pretty good.
-Garmr: in 216 you stated you went from townreading to more of a nullread on Nacho. How are you reading him now?
-Eventi: In 219, you only comment on someone attacking your new playstyle, yet you don't mention anything else. Why are you defensive about your style being different, if it's supposed to be better? And why don't you continue playing instead of worrying about how you look?
-KarmicGuide: What's your read on Eventi?
-KarmicGuide: my read on pistachion: I have a slight scumread on him, but I think that's mostly because I disagree with most of what he says. No strong feelings. What about you?
-Gimlear, how are you reading Thor?
-Eventi's 300 looks convenient in moving to scumread Ciara: What made you change your mind? Ciara hasn't posted anything and you go from townreading to scumreading her. If Ciara flips town, this might be scum on the wagon.
-Eventi's 348: Reads haven't changed, votes Ciara. His read did change in 300, without explaining why. I still want that explanation.
-The whole battle of wagons between Thor+Nacho vs Garmr looks like Town trying to get their way.
-gummy's 362: Ciara's wagon got to L-1 very fast? I don't consider 15 pages fast at all... Why are you making this point?
-note to self: not townreading Bella on page 16 yet. Starting to get worried.
-Karmic: why do you think Eventi is a smart player?
-Ciara's 420 should have had a claim in it. We're not getting a replacement as the mod posted a VC. 17 hours until deadline. I think we should hammer.

[Radja]

-Eventi's 300 looks convenient in moving to scumread Ciara: What made you change your mind? Ciara hasn't posted anything and you go from townreading to scumreading her. If Ciara flips town, this might be scum on the wagon.

Why no issue with how Pistach changed his vote?

-Ciara's 420 should have had a claim in it. We're not getting a replacement as the mod posted a VC. 17 hours until deadline. I think we should hammer.

That is a good point, Mod has expressly accepted a v/la till after day deadline from Ciara even though he didn't state so.
I am underwhelmed on multiple fronts.

Pistachion hasn't changed his read, he just voted because of the deadline. Eventi changed his read without stating any reasons and without Ciara posting a single word.
I fail to see your point on the second quote.

[Radja]

You still haven't stated WHY you were scumreading her after rereading. That was actually the entire point.

I have my reasons for wanting to hear from Karmic. I don't see why it matters to you.

[Radja]

I'm going to guess there's a protective role out there, so I am going to claim: I'm town cop.

I investigated Bella, who is town.

[Radja]

First post of the day and votes right off. Asks for claims in the same post. The timing twigs me a bit, I've seen scum act like that after a failed kill to try to spook out the PRs.

Maybe, but I can see the Town motivation as well. What I find more interesting is that Radja claimed cop and vindicated Bella right after Nacho started scrutinizing Bella. It could be coincidence, but it is still interesting.

Are you suggesting I would fakeclaim cop to clear Bella?

[Radja]

So you're saying I would risk getting counterclaimed just to clear a scumbuddy, with a big risk of having it all blow up in my face by having a real cop out there?

[Radja]

So you're saying I would risk getting counterclaimed just to clear a scumbuddy, with a big risk of having it all blow up in my face by having a real cop out there?

At this point I would say it's unlikely but not impossible. There are plenty of reasons for scum to fakeclaim cop even with the threat of counterclaim because a counterclaim does not necessarily mean the first claim was scum.

Just how would it benefit me at this point?

[Radja]

We could lynch outside pistach/Silverwolf and I can cop Silverwolf to see if he's not lying?

[Radja]

does it make sense to have a town cop and a town rolecop even?

[Radja]

I'll be around later, most likely! Busy weekend!

[Radja]

pistachion, why did you target SilverWolf?

[Radja]

I targeted Bella, so I think it's pretty obvious, no?

[Radja]

so do I!

[Radja]

Eventi is town

[Radja]

Eventi is town

I was secretly praying that someone would cop me - thanks

you are welcome!

[Radja]

you can't jailkeep and cop the same person, right?

[Radja]

oh yeah. I didn't realize that would work.

[Radja]

sounds like a plan!

[Radja]

Karmic has been silent, so I think this game will be over when we Lynch him.

[Radja]

anything is fine with me.
As long as we can reach a decision.

[Radja]

VOTE: no lynch

I guess?

[Radja]

Let's end this day, one way or another.

[Radja]

VOTE: Karmic

L-1

This is getting nowhere. Let's end this.

Someone hammer...

[Radja]

[Radja]

Awesome game! Awesome town!