Mini 1708: Mafia Café [Game Over!]

[Aristophanes]

Aristophanes replaces in for RadiantCowbells thank you muchly Aristophanes for being a nifty human person and stuff!

How did you know I was a human person!?!?

I'm here and will quickly read D2 and respond to stuff, hopefully I can get to some of D1 as well. I see we are is a limited extension as replacements are sought out, so I will do so as swiftly as possible!

[Aristophanes]

Aristophanes replaces in for RadiantCowbells thank you muchly Aristophanes for being a nifty human person and stuff!

How did you know I was a human person!?!?

I'm here and will quickly read D2 and respond to stuff, hopefully I can get to some of D1 as well. I see we are is a limited extension as replacements are sought out, so I will do so as swiftly as possible!

fixed.
I should really use the preview button...

[Aristophanes]

Abbreviated shit from reading back. Got questions? Ask me shit.

Fitz and Johnny are coo. I read pages 1-5 when I messaged Cheeto to replace in and Johnny felt like earlygame town Johnny. I see nothing to change that.
Fitz is doing alright with a range of wuestioning (at the start of D2 still) and I see nothing condemning him.

At Pg 25, I see a damn decent case for FSS so I am curious why he isn't a leading wagon atm. I will read on, but everything I've read by and about him points to scummy stuff for me this far.
Also, by the VC in 617 three of the four votes are townreads at this point in the readback. I'm unsure on Marvin, but otherwise, this is a strong wagon.

Should we lynch FFS at some point, and he be scum, Chaos will be essentally cleared. I also really like his posting and have a strong townread thgere.


At pg 28 and I still see no reason not to vote Stool, so Imma do that.
VOTE: Stool

Titus, I saw in a recent post that I was a scumspect for you. I assume this to be based on RC's stuff, yes?
Do you have any thoughts, differing or otherwise, now that I am here?
I am getting a townvibe off of you thus far and am curious on your thoughts.
Also, I see an "obvtown" read on Stool. I assume I'll get to that, but would you care to sum that up? As I said above, still scumreading them.

@Everyone

I see the main wagons right now are on Titus and Monkey. Can someone present me with cases on the two of them please?
I'll fiish my catchup tomorrow, but it's 1:30qm and I had some drinks and need sleep, so something to reference would be really neat.
If it comes between them, I would rather a Monkey lynch over Titus feom what I've read thus far.

[Aristophanes]

Ari Stool claimed one shot tracker.

We've got a little over a day. Where's everybody's head? I'll be so super salty if we no lynch.

He tracked me, said I didn't target anyone

Correct, I did not target anyone last night

Gotcha
UNVOTE:
I'll finish reading D2 in a few hours.

[Aristophanes]

On my way out the door, but I just finished catching up. This is my

Intent to hammer Monkey

in a few hours when I get home.

I can post my thoughts before I do if you guys like, but in short:
Stool is scummy but willing to let him live due to the claim.
I don't see Titus' case on Omega. Omega reads town, and Titus is still a lean in that direction.
Also, Titus, I think you're alright as a person and apologize for my predecessor's oral diarrhea. I honestly look forward to playing with you.

Metal is town, which is really nice. Power house over here.

I have my scumspects and will analyse them during the night. Expect some stuff come D3. No point stating them now.

Anyway, I g2g.

@Mod: are we still waiting for a replace on Marvin? It's been five days on him now...

I will do my best to find a replacement for him. Please understand that it's not easy to replace half a playerlist.

Cheet, you are a champ and it sucks that you've had to do so much replacing. We still love you though!

[Aristophanes]

Titus, sheep me. Johnny, you too. Aristophanes and someone else and we have a lynch.

VOTE: FSS
The only reason I backed off of them yesterday was due to the claim. Everything they did was scummy otherwise and, being a 1-shot, we're not losing anything huge if we're wrong.
Also, Johnny being the target just feels wrong to me. The reasoning for it is far more scum than town motivated.

[Aristophanes]

Please kill lists, eh?
I'd have to go with ASP, Direfire, Titus.

Fitz, why does Johnny land on your list?
Titus, why no interest in ASP?

[Aristophanes]

Alright, so I reISO'd everyone and I stand by my Lynch-List.

Metal is town. If anyone wants to fight me on that, come at me, because he's about as town as anyone can get.

Johnny reads as Town-Johnny. Maybe he's a little gung-ho on sheeping Metal, but that's not out of character if he has such a strong townread.

ASP seemed to stay away from a hard read on FSS while lightly disliking the wagon. Also, in 125 he listed Jester, Davs, and Johnny as for sure containing a scum withing the three. He then never voted them nor really pushed any suspicions on them. This looks to me like he tossed a scummate's name in with two town in order to give himself some flex room, either to look back and go "told ya so" or "well, I said one of the three" depending how it went.

Titus was so sure Stool was obvtown and voted him really begrudgingly. Their push for Chaos was weird as many had her as a strong townread. They then died that night. I could believe Titus was trying to save their last scummate, thus hardpushing that their claim makes them obvtown. That and the potential wine of "Why would I kill Omega? I was scumreading them!" make me raise an eyebrow. The only thing that has me hesitating is that I know Titus is better than to defend a scummate so overtly.

Direfire hasn't really done anything since replacing in. They asked me a couple times for reads, soft-defended FSS, and tried to push Sonic upon arrival. This is their only vote to date and it happened right in the middle of the FSS wagon. They're the best candidate for scum I can see.

Fitz was so anti-Stool I can't see them being scummates. If so, that was some ruthless insistence on their being lynched when it really wasn't necessary. Other than that he's been well rounded in asking questions and thorough with his answers.

So, I'm going to change my list order: Direfire, ASP, Titus.

VOTE: Direfire

[Aristophanes]

Metal, how does Direfire dying lead you to believe we have an SK?
Why would it make Johnny your prime suspect?

Titus, looking forward to it.

[Aristophanes]

Johnny, why are you sidelining so hard in all of this as if waiting for someone else to make the choice for you?
I really don't like that.

Fitz, Any thoughts on Metal v Titus?
I find it unlikely that Johnny will be the lynch today, as Johnny isn't going to vote himself, and Titus/Metal are adamant that the other is scum.
Of the two, who is the last scum?
Either that or make a proper case on Johnny, because a "coinflip" is poor and is allowing you to not contribute, which is very unhelpful.

I'm going to reread this Titus v Metal again and Iso. I had Metal as almost conftown for the last while and I feel like Titus is trying to cut off town's head right now. But once again, I can't see why ScumTitus would go after such a hard target.
I'll have a vote in my next post.

[Aristophanes]

I spent the day sorting another game and didn't get to this. My apologies!

I mean I'm convinced town has won, Ari. You're not scum, Metal's not scum, and Fitz... Eh? If we lynch Titus today and she's somehow not scum I'll put my thinking cap on but for right now I'm cool with just letting Titus/Sonic have sex in the corner until we kill Titus out of annoyance.

^^Ewww

@Titus,
Is the "Ewww" at the prospect of you and Sonic in the corner or the fact that Johnny is waiting to do anything until tomorrow (should today not and the game)?

[Aristophanes]

I just reread and ISO'd and I cannot believe Metal is scum. If so, GG man! Titus, on the other hand, has been scummy at many various points in the game.

I think we just won this, guys!

VOTE: Titus

[Aristophanes]

Hey I get to read a Sonic ISO now. No voting pls.

Ditto.

We have plenty of time to sort this. No need to vote just yet.

[Aristophanes]

Yeah, I was trying to sort what might have happened night 4 and am at a loss.
I wish he were here to ask. If he had made it clearer yesterday we could have a conftown today which would make things so much simpler.

I'm going to update his VCA colouring and see if we can derive anything from it.
Isos to follow soon after.

[Aristophanes]

Updated VCA

Spoiler: Source Votecounts (minor fix)

VC1.01

Jake From State Farm

[1] -

Davsto

Davsto

[1] -

Direfire

JohnnyFarrar

[1] -

monkey saint

monkey saint

[1] -

Metal Sonic

Aristophanes

[1] -

free stool sample

free stool sample

[1] -

A simple plan

A simple plan

[4] - Havingfitz,

Lynx the antithesis

, JohnnyFarrar,

chaosomega

Not Voting

[3] -

Jake From State Farm

, Aristophanes,

Titus

[]

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day One will end on (expired on 2015-08-30 19:00:00)

[]

VC1.02

Davsto

[3] -

Dierfire

,

free stool sample

,

Jake From State Farm

monkey saint

[1] - Aristophanes

A simple plan

[5] - Havingfitz,

Lynx the antithesis

, JohnnyFarrar,

chaosomega

,

Davsto

Lynx the antithesis

[1] -

monkey saint

Not Voting

[3] -

A simple plan

,

Metal Sonic

,

Titus

[]

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day One will end on (expired on 2015-08-30 19:00:00)

[]

@Mod could you by any chance change the colour of that font? It's barely visible when using the dark forum theme.

[]Trueee. Updating OP. New mod colour is #804000. Sorry for lack of mod presence, been having a "time" this week.[]

VC1.03

Davsto

[3] -

Dierfire

,

free stool sample

,

Jake From State Farm

monkey saint

[1] - Aristophanes

A simple plan

[4] - Havingfitz,

chaosomega

,

Davsto

, JohnnyFarrar

Lynx the antithesis

[1] -

monkey saint

Not Voting

[4] -

A simple plan

,

Metal Sonic

,

Lynx the antithesis

,

Titus

[]

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day One will end on (expired on 2015-08-30 19:00:00)

[]

VC1.04

Davsto

[4] -

Dierfire

,

free stool sample

,

Jake From State Farm

, Aristophanes

A simple plan

[3] - Havingfitz,

chaosomega

, JohnnyFarrar

Lynx the antithesis

[1] -

monkey saint

Aristophanes

[1] -

Davsto

Not Voting

[4] -

A simple plan

,

Metal Sonic

,

Lynx the antithesis

,

Titus

[]

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day One will end on (expired on 2015-08-30 19:00:00)

[]

@mod also do you know how long Emc will be VLA?

[]

August 21.

[]

@mod AM I DEAD?

[]

Don't think so.

[]

VC1.05

Davsto

[5] -

Dierfire

, Aristophanes,

chaosomega

,

Metal Sonic

,

Lynx the antithesis

A simple plan

[2] - Havingfitz, JohnnyFarrar

Lynx the antithesis

[2] -

free stool sample

,

monkey saint

Aristophanes

[1] -

Davsto

Not Voting

[4] -

A simple plan

,

Jake From State Farm

,

Titus

[]

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day One will end on (expired on 2015-08-30 19:00:00)

[]

[]Please put votes on a separate line! If it's in the middle of a block of text it makes it much more likely that I might miss it.[]

VC1.06

Davsto

[4] - Aristophanes,

chaosomega

,

Metal Sonic

,

Lynx the antithesis

A simple plan

[1] - Havingfitz

Lynx the antithesis

[4] -

free stool sample

,

monkey saint

, JohnnyFarrar,

Davsto

Not Voting

[4] -

A simple plan

,

Jake From State Farm

,

Dierfire

Titus

[]

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day One will end on (expired on 2015-08-30 19:00:00)

[]

VC1.07

Davsto

[5] - Aristophanes,

chaosomega

,

Metal Sonic

,

Lynx the antithesis

,

Dierfire

Lynx the antithesis

[4] -

free stool sample

,

monkey saint

, JohnnyFarrar,

Davsto

Not Voting

[4] -

A simple plan

, havingfitz,

Jake From State Farm

,

Titus

[]

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day One will end on (expired on 2015-08-30 19:00:00)

[]

VC1.08

Davsto

[6] - Aristophanes,

chaosomega

,

Metal Sonic

,

Lynx the antithesis

,

Dierfire

, havingfitz

Lynx the antithesis

[3] -

free stool sample

, JohnnyFarrar,

Davsto

havingfitz

[1] -

Jake From State Farm

Dierfire

[1] -

monkey saint

Not Voting

[2] -

A simple plan

,

Titus

[]

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day One will end on (expired on 2015-08-30 19:00:00)

[]

VC1.09

Davsto

[6] - Aristophanes,

chaosomega

,

Metal Sonic

,

Lynx the antithesis

,

Dierfire

, havingfitz

Lynx the antithesis

[3] -

free stool sample

, JohnnyFarrar,

Davsto

havingfitz

[1] -

Jake From State Farm

Dierfire

[1] -

monkey saint

Not Voting

[2] -

A simple plan

,

Titus

[]

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Day One will end on (expired on 2015-08-30 19:00:00)

[]

VC1.10

Davsto

[7] - Aristophanes,

chaosomega

,

Metal Sonic

,

Lynx the antithesis

,

Dierfire

, havingfitz,

free stool sample

Lynx the antithesis

[2] - JohnnyFarrar,

Davsto

havingfitz

[1] -

Jake From State Farm

Dierfire

[1] -

monkey saint

Not Voting

[2] -

A simple plan

,

Titus

[]

Hammer has been reached on

Davsto

.
Flip coming shortly.

[]

VC2.01

free stool sample

[4] -

chaosomega

, havingfitz,

Dierfire

, JohnnyFarrar

Aristophanes

[1] -

monkey saint

havingfitz

[2] -

free stool sample

,

Metal Sonic

Titus

[1] - Aristophanes

Not Voting

[3] -

A simple plan

,

Lynx the antithesis

,

Titus

[]

Day Two has begun and will end on (expired on 2015-09-13 13:00:00)
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

[]

[]

Dierfire

has been prodded.[]

VC2.02

free stool sample

[5] -

chaosomega

, havingfitz,

Dierfire

, JohnnyFarrar, Aristophanes

Aristophanes

[2] -

monkey saint

,

Titus

havingfitz

[1] -

Metal Sonic

Dierfire

[1] -

free stool sample

Not Voting

[2] -

A simple plan

,

Lynx the antithesis

[]

Day Two has begun and will end on (expired on 2015-09-13 13:00:00)
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

[]

VC2.03

free stool sample

[3] -

chaosomega

, havingfitz,

Dierfire

Aristophanes

[1] -

Titus

Dierfire

[2] -

free stool sample

,

monkey saint

Titus

[2] -

Metal Sonic

, Aristophanes

havingfitz

[1] -

A simple plan

monkey saint

[1] -

Lynx the antithesis

Not Voting

[1] - JohnnyFarrar

[]

Day Two has begun and will end on (expired on 2015-09-13 13:00:00)
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

[]

VC2.04

free stool sample

[3] -

chaosomega

,

Dierfire

, havingfitz

Aristophanes

[1] -

Titus

Titus

[2] - Aristophanes, JohnnyFarrar

havingfitz

[4] -

A simple plan

,

monkey saint

,

Metal Sonic

,

free stool sample

monkey saint

[1] -

Lynx the antithesis

[]

Day Two has begun and will end on (expired on 2015-09-13 13:00:00)
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

[]

[]Aristophanes replaces in for Aristophanes thank you muchly Aristophanes for being a nifty human person and stuff![]

VC2.05

free stool sample

[1] -

Dierfire

Aristophanes

[1] -

monkey saint

Titus

[4] - Aristophanes,

chaosomega

,

free stool sample

, JohnnyFarrar

havingfitz

[1] -

Metal Sonic

monkey saint

[3] -

A simple plan

,

Lynx the antithesis

, havingfitz

No Vote

[1] -

Titus

[]

Day Two has begun and will end on (expired on 2015-09-13 13:00:00)
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

[]

VC2.06

free stool sample

[2] -

Dierfire

, Aristophanes

Aristophanes

[1] -

monkey saint

Titus

[2] -

chaosomega

,

free stool sample

monkey saint

[5] -

A simple plan

,

Lynx the antithesis

, havingfitz,

Metal Sonic

, JohnnyFarrar

chaosomega

[1] -

Titus

[]

Day Two has begun and will end on (expired on 2015-09-15 13:00:00)
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

[]

VC2.07

free stool sample

[2] -

Dierfire

, Aristophanes

Titus

[2] -

chaosomega

,

monkey saint

monkey saint

[6] -

A simple plan

,

Lynx the antithesis

, havingfitz,

Metal Sonic

, JohnnyFarrar,

free stool sample

chaosomega

[1] -

Titus

[]

Hammer has been reached on

monkey saint

.
Flip coming shortly.

[]

VC3.01

free stool sample

[5] -

Metal Sonic

, Aristophanes, havingfitz,

Titus

,

Lynx the antithesis

havingfitz

[1] -

free stool sample

Metal Sonic

[1] -

Dierfire

Not Voting

[2] -

A simple plan

, JohnnyFarrar

[]

Flip coming soon!

[]

VC4.01

A simple plan

[2] -

Metal Sonic

, havingfitz

Dierfire

[3] - Aristophanes,

Titus

, JohnnyFarrar

Not Voting

[2] -

A simple plan

,

Dierfire

[]With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.
Day four will end in (expired on 2015-10-06 23:00:00)[]

VC4.02

A simple plan

[4] -

Metal Sonic

, havingfitz,

Dierfire

, JohnnyFarrar

Dierfire

[2] - Aristophanes,

Titus

Titus

[1] -

A simple plan

[]Hammer has been reached. Flip coming shortly![]

Sorry everyone. As Johnny mentioned, been without internet last two days.
q.q

VC5.01

JohnnyFarrar

[1] - havingfitz

Metal Sonic

[1] -

Titus

Titus

[1] -

Metal Sonic

Not Voting

[2] - Aristophanes, JohnnyFarrar

Day Five has begun and will end on (expired on 2015-10-13 10:00:00)
With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.
Softprodding peoples who're coming off VLA.

VC5.02

JohnnyFarrar

[1] - havingfitz

Metal Sonic

[1] -

Titus

Titus

[3] -

Metal Sonic

, JohnnyFarrar, Aristophanes

Sorry for delayed hammer, flip coming in nowtimes.

[Aristophanes]

Thanksgiving dinner tonight, so I may not be on until late today/tomorrow.

[Aristophanes]

I did my Isos last night but I didn't get a chance to post them between festivities, so here's the summation of my thoughts.

In the VCA, Johnny is only on one scum wagon ever, and that was FSS in D2.
He was only on it for a short time and unvoted when he claimed, which is pretty legit, but them he pursued whatever looked like the next easiest wagon, Titus.
In D1 he was on every counterwagon to Davs at any time it looked like it might gain enough steam.
In D3 he "wasn't feeling an FSS wagon" and tried to deflect it onto Titus again.

His votes have been overly opportunistic in timing and he hasn't put in much effort at all since the rest of his team was lynched. He just took his almost universal townread and slinked into the shadows.
When called out for this by Fitz, rather than defend himself, he took it to a personal level to discredit Fitz.

His hammer on ASP called back to a D1 read, almost as if to say "come on guys, I've had this read all game" as a defense when ASP flipped town.

D5 in the TvT between Titus and Sonic he sidelined so hard it's actually ridiculous. He just sat back and watched, barely even mentioning anything game related, as if not wanting to interfere in it.

I see zero town motivation to any of this. This here is our scum.


If we look at Fitz in the VCA, he was late on Davsto and early on FSS, which is possible scum bussing. He does, however, push for FSS' lynch far harder than I would expect any teammate to do. I mean, if you're pushing hard enough to make people think you have a guilty on scum, that's a fucking hard push! Scum tend not to bus like that. They'd rather let someone else start the wagon super hard and sheep early on, but with individual confidence. Which was admittedly what he did on D3, but that didn't feel like a bus to me.

In days 4 & 5 he was far more of a presence than Johnny was, not just waiting for a wagon to hammer, but making his own stance and sticking to it. He gets huge points for being on Johnny despite the Metal/Titus argument. I wish he'd been there and pushing it a little more, as he did seem to use it to avoid the main conversation, but that's about all I've got against him.

Johnny has to be the final scum. If not, You've duped me again Fitz.
I swore I wouldn't let a repeat of A Game of Pokes happen. If you've done it again, then I really have to get better at sorting you!

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

[Aristophanes]

Now where is Cheet!!!

I need to know this flip ASAP!!!

[Aristophanes]

Thank you for your support, Aristophanes and fitz. I'll buy you guys a coffee from the cafe later

Metal, where are our Coffees?

I've been looking forward to this! XD

[Aristophanes]

So, you're not scum then?

[Aristophanes]

God dammit!
GG then Fitz!

[Aristophanes]

Man I hope you're lying. Ari as scum is the fun answer. Using lazy as a scum tell with me? You know me! I'm lazy all the time :C

Yeah, I realize that now. You know how bad I am at Meta-ing, no matter how many games I play with them.
And come one, you've seen scumAri. I'm a horrible actor!
=(

[Aristophanes]

Like, I don't even remotely understand how you guys could have let Fitz live this long.

Hey, you're the one who thought he was a Cop!
Sorry I came in and let scum win, but you would've kept him around too.

[Aristophanes]

Easy for you to say, and in retrospect I can clearly see that!
But that's what hindsight does.

I bet it wouldn't have been that easy were you in the game yourself still!
Once you know someone is scum, making those connections is far easier than when they are unconfirmed.

[Aristophanes]

You two fucks. Fucking stone cold push at the beginning there, Bells. We had no chance. Ari I'm gonna punch you next time I see you for that acting.

[Aristophanes]

I am smiling now though dammit

That was the goal!

Sorry I had to string you along like that, but how could I not??

Davs, live and learn, right!
I used to be the worst, most obvious scum ever.
It takes many games, but you'll get the hang of it!

[Aristophanes]

I'm kinda sad about not joining in the whole "lol fitz was scum" but I wasn't sure if the whole "posting after death but when the ending hammer has happened" thing was allowed or not. I'll keep this in mind next time, since it seems like it's acceptable.

Depends on the Mod I think. In theory there could have been a role to prevent this, like an unlynchable or something, but the chances are slim.

General etiquette is not to, but RC, thank you, that was too much fun! XD

Johnny, I invite Cheet to open the Chat

[Aristophanes]

Did Metal not Cop anyone N4?

[Aristophanes]

Nope.
Titus also didn't use her gunsmith shot or claim her actual role.
c:

Right! I noticed she didn't claim, but I don't see why she wouldn't use it.

Interesting.

[Aristophanes]

Davsto, I think it's just you left to proclaim the Scumthread open for business!

[Aristophanes]

In future games I might give out night start notifications.
I do think people should be expected to check the game once every 2-3 days but I can see how the lack of notification may have contributed to town's loss here.

Arguably, though even when inactive and on V/la I always check in every once in a while just to make sure. Maybe that's just me though.

Cheet, even though you were busy, you did a fine job here.
I always enjoy your games!

[Aristophanes]

<3

I also just wanted to say that it's hilarious how this basically turned out the exact same way as my last normal game..

P-Edit: Oh you.

What are the chances, eh!

[Aristophanes]

(That was Sweet Dreams, right?)

[Aristophanes]

also everyone pre-in for my first modded game Pun Mafia only two pre-in spaces left!!!

(Self promotion ftw)

Been there, done that

Johnny, Love you! <3
Never change!

[Aristophanes]

And thanks guys!
This is my best scum showing ever and I hope I can continue the trend!

[Aristophanes]

Seriously though fuck this game now I want to play more Mafia.

Were such good influences, now aren't we

[Aristophanes]

If you think it'll jeep up, I'd say yo go for it! The long days here are what drain me traditionally, but if it gets going well, I see no reason not to