MINI 1721 — ✌ — GAME OVER

[Layla]

VOTE: Fro99er

Burn the

witch

numbers!

Also, first!

[Layla]

Ok so I have Bellaphant as town.

I know she hasn't posted anything yet but I think I'll trust my gut on this one.

[Layla]

Ok since I got my first post I'm going to sleep.

I'll see you all in the morning!

(inb4 20 pages)

[Layla]

VOTE: Metal Sonic

Town has no reason to claim scum.

[Layla]

My vote is 100% serious.

[Layla]

Layla is town. MS is the scum on the wagon

Then why aren't you voting MS?

[Layla]

VOTE: Metal Sonic

Town has no reason to claim scum.

Except to catch scum like you!

VOTE: Layla

You may have been joking here but I'm serious.

[Layla]

Not voting Layla is a scumclaim

Dog in a ring!

Then why aren't you voting MS?

Because I'm voting his partner. MS is a weird player, and could very well be town playing like this although I do not currently hold that opinion. Luna is a far more solid D1 shot at scum.

So basically "I find Luna scummier than MS," not "because she is his partner."

@Luna: Do you have any finished games?

[Layla]

Page top!

[Layla]

What do you think of Layla's being serious of her read on you for claiming scum?

And then your own opinion, right?

[Layla]

Pagetop again. I'm getting good at this.

[Layla]

Oh dear 6 posts while I was posting that.

[Layla]

And then your own opinion, right?

My opinion was made clear by voting you.

Not really.
You voted me before I said that it was serious.

[Layla]

Hi Layla! You seem like a nice person. Would you like to talk about stuff?

Sure. I'm voting you for three reasons. Two before I placed it, and one to keep it on you.

[Layla]

For the record, I "claim" scum as town all the time. I see it as null, and more metal making a joke.

...

So you joke around by making town's job harder with unnecessary WIFOM?

[Layla]

I want ric to at least explain his Layla townread because right now it looks to me that Layla does not know how to play scum

I don't think this is scum behaviour, especially not inexperienced scum. Isn't she an alt anyway? I thought I read that somewhere.

Yes sir.

Would you like to elaborate on those reasons?

If I wanted to elaborate I would've when I mentioned the other reasons.

VOTE: Metal Sonic

Town has no reason to claim scum.

Scum has no reason to claim scum too. Have you considered that?

Yes they do. To WIFOM and to be seen as joking town like you're pulling here!

[Layla]

I think you didn't quite get my reasoning then. I explained it better up there fortunately.

P-Edit: it doesn't WIFOM the scum because they already know if town is lying or not? It does nothing to help town and it does nothing to confuse scum.

P-Edit: more like I'm waiting on something to clarify. If it was solid enough I would've explained it with my vote.

P-Edit: maybe, or maybe not!

P-Edit: pretty sure I've been doing more than spamming pagetop but sure undermining is noted. I have Ricastle as town and Luna Fox as slightly leaning town. Since it's been reminded that im an alt I no longer need to withhold any play experience related stuffs.

[Layla]

Oh and look a pagetop again. This must be a good sign.

[Layla]

P-Edit: more like I'm waiting on something to clarify. If it was solid enough I would've explained it with my vote.

Ok, thanks.

You have my words that in due time everything will be explained, probably some time mid d1.

[Layla]

Never said it's on you to clarify.
Also more vague stuff: if I only had the reason I claimed to have for voting you I wouldn't be voting you right now.

[Layla]

Pedit1: it wifoms the scum team into believing whether to push a bad argument and hop on me for "claiming scum" or to ignore it. Your argument about "WIFOM" is circular. Do you have a reasoning that does not contain the bad words "WIFOM"?

I don't think it was a circular logic except for the" wifom" word itself.

Town now has to think if you're joking town or scum pretending to be a joking town for towncred: that's where the exact WIFOM lies.

Scum has no reason to go through that because they already know the answer and act accordingly.

[Layla]

Never said it's on you to clarify.
Also more vague stuff: if I only had the reason I claimed to have for voting you I wouldn't be voting you right now.

OK. Are you secretly my best friend in an alt and think I am scum then?

Or maybe I'm secretly your best friend in all and decided to troll you to make your life harder!

(Fortunately, it's not the case. )

[Layla]

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[Layla]

No, scum have to make the decision whether I am mislynchable or not, and whether to push me.


And your argument is still essentially whether "metal sonic might be town or scum". which, is unsurprisingly, a question that you need to ask about everyone anyway.

If town lied about being scum and scum decides to jump on it well the town gave scums reason to jump on him and with reason. As I said, it does nothing to help town. It helps town as much as how much Slayer's gambit helps town.

Also as I said earlier, if that was my only reason I wouldn't be even voting you.

@108: Was there a particular player you had in mind in accordance with that?

Didn't I already mention two names?

You compared me to them?

I guess now we can never be friends.

[Layla]

Will be back this evening.

Unfortunately I have works to do.

[Layla]

VOTE: VeeGee

They were town in frog mafia and opened with an RVS vote. Why just the Oh hi here?

Because I thought RVS had ended...?

RC is basically confirmed town at this point and should be treated as such.

Withholding information tends to come more from town then scum

I tend to think of the opposite, what makes you think this is the case?

Because when scum withhold information they don't reveal that they're doing so.

Because when scum withhold information they don't reveal that they're doing so.

The act of stating they are withholding info can come as easily from a fake post by scum than a legit post by town, so i don't think so, im of the tendency to think that town should always be open with their thoughts, unless said thoughts benefit scum, and i always abide by this myself.

Yeah, but scum don't often make such posts because it draws negative attention.

Town are more likely to deliberately make anti-town actions because they aren't thinking about how they're viewed in the same manner.

Yeah, but scum don't often make such posts because it draws negative attention.

Town are more likely to deliberately make anti-town actions because they aren't thinking about how they're viewed in the same manner.

I actually think mindsets like this give scum more incentive to do it, but that'd be just jumping into super WIFOMy territory, which im not fond of.
Also I think you're town.

My vote is 100% serious.

hey, how you Bin?

haha

Anyway, Layla confirmed that they were serious with that vote so I would have voted them had 5 more pages not happened since then

why are you guys so active.

I sorta skimread it but it ended with everyone townreading each other basically (that's what I saw); the amount of people doing this makes it mainly town, but I haven't seen any complaints about it, which makes me think that there's a (probably no more than singular, if any) scum in it. Usually there's at least one person (often scum) who's gone "woah why are you townreading people so early" to cast doubt on the town bloc because they're scared of townies allying with each other and this hasn't happened so there's a slight chance there may be scum on there.

I am fully aware that by saying this that makes me said town bloc detractor but I don't really care, the point was in my head so I might as well get it out there.

Looking at VeeGee's (lack of) posts, I'm happy with my RVS becoming semi-serious.

This is not me being happy with Layla either. I am happy on either Layla or VeeGee, but I want pressure on VeeGee before they inevitably replace out.

note this

Oh dear 6 posts while I was posting that.

you're actually an alt of me
i should be able to get a read from this
...

Layla, can you provide reads on other players, and more content, instead of pagetops? It would be nice

ms is being so ms

Ricastle for town!

frogger no

Actually

VOTE: luna fox talk to us!!

this is an ew vote

I'm pretty happy with this townbloc of Layla, Ric, myself, bella so far. I think Davsto is in there too, but not 100% yet.

Metal, VeeGee, Luna, NM, Bins, RC, Dray, ASP all need sorting for various reasons. I will start focusing on that group next.

hey look the note comes back
why did your read on layla change?
but this is not the kind of town bloc you should be comfortable with

RC is basically confirmed town at this point and should be treated as such.

RC
no

VOTE: ricastle

mostly because this is my scum read that i think will cause the most controversy
fight me
so i can get association tells
NOW

Sometimes the vessel is more important than the contents

no literally
ISO her
its like 95% theory and alt stuff

And are you ok with that?

Considering this game just started, I'd like to focus on other stuff.

Singling out Luna for lack of content would be wrong of me. I would be pointing a finger at an individual in a group of like three.

Ricastle has actually pinged me, so have you.

your RC townread is probably less incriminating then the other thrown out townreads here by like a mile.

We're switching over to Little Cup rules for this game.

That leaves Annie and Misdreavus, and oh look Misdreavus is banned so I instantly win.

Thanks for playing guys!

You're cute, i like you ^_^ Do you want to be friends?

Bins, are there any of my posts that you particularly dislike? Just curious.

Bella, what do you make of Fro99er putting you in his townbloc with your only post being a naked vote on Layla?

VOTE: Bellaphant

I'm pretty sure this slot is scum. Nakeed votes, general scum attitude towards the game. Lynch it please!

You're cute, i like you ^_^ Do you want to be friends?

We can be friends!

I might have to lynch you if you're scum though. No hard feelings?

[Layla]

Oops, sorry. I pressed submit instead of preview.

[Layla]

Hello, VeeGee.
Filler image	VOTE: VeeGee They were town in frog mafia and opened with an RVS vote. Why just the Oh hi here? Because I thought RVS had ended...?	What is your definition of the Random Voting Stage?	Filler image

Interaction!
RC is basically confirmed town at this point and should be treated as such.	Withholding information tends to come more from town then scum I tend to think of the opposite, what makes you think this is the case?
Because when scum withhold information they don't reveal that they're doing so.	Because when scum withhold information they don't reveal that they're doing so. The act of stating they are withholding info can come as easily from a fake post by scum than a legit post by town, so i don't think so, im of the tendency to think that town should always be open with their thoughts, unless said thoughts benefit scum, and i always abide by this myself.
Yeah, but scum don't often make such posts because it draws negative attention. Town are more likely to deliberately make anti-town actions because they aren't thinking about how they're viewed in the same manner.	Yeah, but scum don't often make such posts because it draws negative attention. Town are more likely to deliberately make anti-town actions because they aren't thinking about how they're viewed in the same manner. I actually think mindsets like this give scum more incentive to do it, but that'd be just jumping into super WIFOMy territory, which im not fond of. Also I think you're town.
I wish the story continued but it ended without the conclusion.

This is where Layla asks Davsto even though she think he's town!

My vote is 100% serious. hey, how you Bin? haha Anyway, Layla confirmed that they were serious with that vote so I would have voted them had 5 more pages not happened since then why are you guys so active. I sorta skimread it but it ended with everyone townreading each other basically (that's what I saw); the amount of people doing this makes it mainly town, but I haven't seen any complaints about it, which makes me think that there's a (probably no more than singular, if any) scum in it. Usually there's at least one person (often scum) who's gone "woah why are you townreading people so early" to cast doubt on the town bloc because they're scared of townies allying with each other and this hasn't happened so there's a slight chance there may be scum on there. I am fully aware that by saying this that makes me said town bloc detractor but I don't really care, the point was in my head so I might as well get it out there. Looking at VeeGee's (lack of) posts, I'm happy with my RVS becoming semi-serious.

Why did the more pages of content stopped you from voting me? Also, I am townreading you for this post because your worrying about the townbloc looks like it's coming from paranoia rather than insecurity.

Quote Strips are Best Dealt With More Tables
This is not me being happy with Layla either. I am happy on either Layla or VeeGee, but I want pressure on VeeGee before they inevitably replace out. note this I'm pretty happy with this townbloc of Layla, Ric, myself, bella so far. I think Davsto is in there too, but not 100% yet. Metal, VeeGee, Luna, NM, Bins, RC, Dray, ASP all need sorting for various reasons. I will start focusing on that group next. hey look the note comes back why did your read on layla change? but this is not the kind of town bloc you should be comfortable with	Trying to find read inconsistencies are all good and well but don't you think some time and contents were passed between those two posts you quoted? And yet you're wording them as if his read on me changed in a flash, no?
Oh dear 6 posts while I was posting that. you're actually an alt of me	inb4 ban
Layla, can you provide reads on other players, and more content, instead of pagetops? It would be nice ms is being so ms	Describe his play in general to me, as in what he does in games regardless of his alignment.

Here comes the Challenger!
	VOTE: ricastle mostly because this is my scum read that i think will cause the most controversy fight me so i can get association tells NOW	I, Layla, the notorious Samnite of the East, will gladly accept your challenge! With gut is my sword and observance is my scutum!

And some miscelleneous stuffs		And this posts's facepalm reward goes to...
Sometimes the vessel is more important than the contents	Hello. What's your opinion for this game so far?	Bins, are there any of my posts that you particularly dislike? Just curious. Bella, what do you make of Fro99er putting you in his townbloc with your only post being a naked vote on Layla?
your RC townread is probably less incriminating then the other thrown out townreads here by like a mile.	Ooooh! Name and shame! Name and shame!	VOTE: Bellaphant I'm pretty sure this slot is scum. Nakeed votes, general scum attitude towards the game. Lynch it please! You're cute, i like you ^_^ Do you want to be friends? We can be friends! I might have to lynch you if you're scum though. No hard feelings?
We're switching over to Little Cup rules for this game. That leaves Annie and Misdreavus, and oh look Misdreavus is banned so I instantly win. Thanks for playing guys! You're cute, i like you ^_^ Do you want to be friends?	I remember almost marrying RadiantCowbells.

[Layla]

Oh yeah, this is what happens when I have too much time on my hand.

[Layla]

yeah there's no way layla is a bins alt i literally cringed trying to force myself to make a quote wall

If I didn't table that post would've been twice as long.

[Layla]

Code: Select all

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[row]
[header=2]Whatever you say in headers[/header]
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[row]
[cell]This is the first cell[/cell]
[cell]And this is the second one.[/cell]
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[cell=2]And this is merged cell.[/cell]
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Whatever you say in headers
This is the first cell	And this is the second one.
And this is merged cell.

[Layla]

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[Layla]

You remembered!

[Layla]

I didn't really bother hiding my main unless people directly speculated about my main or asked me who my main was and it took 4 games and telling someone "Hi it's me" to be found!
But yeah I actually plan to stick with this account when playing mafia games because playing games with green name have been giving me more stress than it should've.

So yeah, I'm still gonna stick to whatever I was doing in this game.

[Layla]

Ok with that said...

I remember almost marrying RadiantCowbells.

Hi, GIF.

This is all you got from my pretty table?

[Layla]

I'm pretty sure Bins is more shocked than you are.

Oh by the way, the table is how I plan to wall from now on. It takes work but it saves spaces and it's much more readable.

[Layla]

(Also, people will finally get what my signature means instead of silly-guessing like "Oh my god Layla is Zoraster's wife.")

[Layla]

It's too early in the game. I don't like to try to read people at this point in the game.

When I'm feeling something, I'll start pushing something.

For now, I'm just going to do what I'm doing. Just look above you; if it's something that can be stopped, then just try to stop it!

Not even your usual "hey this guy is scum, I swear on it!" lines?
Also if you're talking about me fluffing a bit, I deserve it after taking hours making that table and waiting people to respond.
If you're taking about Luna, then well she's not me.

[Layla]

Well you did use that line but you did that to the IC.

[Layla]

We've all been there, Fro99er.

I've even listed it in the "Facepalm of this post award."

P-Edit: Did you read the part where I challenged you?
P-Edit: You and RC were indirectly talking about me and I didn't see no read on me being discussed. For me, it had no conclusion because I wanted to see how it ends up.
P-Edit: As I said, I had more problem with your wording.

[Layla]

1) Yeah, I'm trying to piece together that right now. My computer/Mafiascum is being all "screw you Bins" and it isn't linking to posts but just the pages, so I'm trying to decipher exactly which posts you're talking about.

Oh by the way, that "gut" word has three posts linked.

3) Wording? Like my "note this"? It wasn't really the time in which the read change, that's why I didn't ask "how did your read change so fast???", it was really just "WHY". Because I didn't really see the switch.

If you say so then there's not much I can do about that I guess.
As much as I'd like to, it's not possible for me to just go into your head and see what your motivation of your wording.

[Layla]

You and RC were indirectly talking about me and I didn't see no read on me being discussed. For me, it had no conclusion because I wanted to see how it ends up.

Oh.
My main point of ending there is that it would end up into WIFOM.
But i still believe that town doesnt have anything to hide, other than their role if any.
So I don't have a townread on you.

So I'm a null read.

Take your time.

[Layla]

Oh by the way, that "gut" word has three posts linked.

wtf I didn't even notice that.

It's still not linking to specific posts.

siiiigh

Post 24, Post 45, Post 54, and Post 183.

You can ISO Ricastle to find those posts easily.

The "observation" leads to We the Purple II game.
The scutum leads to its correponding wiki page.

And I hope you realize why im going to have a hard time giving you a townread.

Why is that? Because I have no idea what you're talking about.

Been where?

Facepalimg/sighing at that Ricastle post. Mostly for trying to question the IC.

[Layla]

I just woke up


A HA!!!!! So Layla really is a guy main hiding behind a girl name!!!!


And s/he really is my

best

friend trolling me!!!

Its name is actually based on this:



Also before I forget yet again:

@RadiantCowbell: It seems like a weird question but what did you have in mind when Metal Sonic requested 1v1 on you?

Also I'm gonna stop posting for now because I'm almost reaching Metal Sonic's posting count and that's never a good sign.

[Layla]

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[Layla]

oops

[Layla]

I can have fun with area tag too

I think dray nth is very scummy

Your vote was on me when you said "Talk" i've already talked, what is your conclusion.

VOTE: draynth

"Reading now"


9 hours later: still reading 6 pages?

[Answer to Post 242]

Sometimes I love my sense of humor.

@RC: Gotcha.

[Layla]

And I was about to unvote him.

[Layla]

Funny i was just about to ask you what were your scumreads.

And I kinda expected you to ask me for one soon.

By the way, I don't have any.
Rather, I don't have "scum" In the tiers of my read list. Right now, it compromises of "town," "talk more, " and "wait a bit/don't feel like voting him right now".

And also since I promised Fro99er, well...
It's kind of an embarrassing reason to say it directly but let's just say that I overread the whole 1v1 thing and took too much interest on it. That's the one of the two reasons that I claimed to have.

[Layla]

You don't need to.

[Layla]

100% confirmed Town

Bellaphant - IC + Mason? Geez what did you do with the setup Marquis?

Townread

Ricastle - This is my bank townread. You will not lynch him and I won't let you lynch him.
Davsto - He looks like the typical town doing typical town things.

Looks town right now but not to the point where they just obvtown like they usually do

Luna Fox - Description has been purposely left blank.
Frogger - Description has been purposely left blank.
Bins - Description has been purposely left blank.

Troublesome bunch

Metal Sonic - I never had a good feeling about him this whole game.
RadiantCowbells - He's here but literally not doing anything with subpar "I don't read early" excuse. Last time I played with town RC he was acting nothing like this.

Et Cetera

Not Mafia - Moo.
A Simple Plan - V/LA
VeeGee - Pretty sure this guy is flaking. If he's scum though MS is probably town.
Draynth - Flake candidate #2

[Layla]

I'm going to be a rebel and not be obvtown like I usually am for giffy.

[Layla]

RadiantCowbells - He's here but literally not doing anything with subpar "I don't read early" excuse. Last time I played with town RC he was acting nothing like this.

I never said I don't read early, I said I don't push for lynches early.

I assure you, I am reading and understanding... everything.

Sorry for confusion.
I wasn't talking about that kind of read as in reading the words on the screen.

[Layla]

Is that something that town can't do?

[Layla]

Maybe my shield mode is kicking in a bit too early but it's because VeeGee hasn't posted it doesn't look unnatural to forget about him at this point no?

(Like I didn't even know few people played this game until I went to namelist.)

[Layla]

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[Layla]

Tbh im not exactly sure what giffy is looking for about me, but i'll just continue playing normally anyway.

If you knew what I was looking for it would my job unnecessarily harder.

Also i swear to god if frogger doesnt answer my questions next time he posts my vote is heading there.

Vote MS with me while you're waiting.
If you don't want to, you're always welcome to tell me why you shouldn't put a vote in him.

Hm. Luna looking a little better. Completely forgot about the double lynch as well. That removes a lot of pressure from the first lynch which is pretty good. In accordance with that,

VOTE: Metal Sonic

Great vote.

[Layla]

And I hope you realize why im going to have a hard time giving you a townread.

This sounds really scummy

is it scummy town or scummy scum, and why?

OK - lunch break

first, I don't know what you mean by scummy town. I voted you because I think what you said is scummy.

Second, the why...two reasons.

1) "have a hard time" changing your read is the lesser of the two evils. I know when I'm town I get super paranoid and change my mind ALL THE TIME, so this is at best confirmation bias or stubbornness, or at worst scum. I've already changed my mind on Layla, and there's a strong change I'll probably change back again. As scum, I'm typically more tunnely. I guess I'm projecting myself onto you, and maybe that's unfair, but I know I'm not the only one who acts that way. Either way, I'm open to changing my read on you based off how you react and continue to play.

2) "giving" someone a town read sounds like it comes from scum, like you need to grant them a townread or something. Scum knows who everyone is in this setup, so it's like you went through the list of townies and said "I'm going to give this one a townread and this one a scum read and this one a null read". As town, usually you just read them, you don't say, "I'm going to give this person x or y read"...that read just develops over time based off what they say and do, and it is what it is. The way you say you are "giving" (or likely not giving in this case) someone a read sounds like the read is forced. Maybe it's just a wording thing, IDK, but that's what I picked up on.

What if I say that post was a referring to a finished game?

[Layla]

What if I say that post was a referring to a finished game?

That could definitely change things. Sounds to me like maybe you fooled town!luna as you!scum in that prior?

Badly.

[Layla]

So how was RC's early play as town in the game you played with him?

[Layla]

I really try not to doublepost but

i feel i need to psychoanalyze how i truly felt about the lynch

What's your read on Ricastle now?

[Layla]

Metal sonics consistent sheeping of fro99er around the beginning rubs me the wrong way, but maybe it's just a joke?

((I'm townreading you, but opposite of your concerns, I am cautious of sheeping your reads... LOL))

P-Edit: it doesn't WIFOM the scum because they already know if town is lying or not? It does nothing to help town and it does nothing to confuse scum.

Why do you refuse to treat claiming scum (in a case where it's pretty blatantly a joke, at that) as a null read

Pedit1: it wifoms the scum team into believing whether to push a bad argument and hop on me for "claiming scum" or to ignore it. Your argument about "WIFOM" is circular. Do you have a reasoning that does not contain the bad words "WIFOM"?

I don't think it was a circular logic except for the" wifom" word itself.

Town now has to think if you're joking town or scum pretending to be a joking town for towncred: that's where the exact WIFOM lies.

Scum has no reason to go through that because they already know the answer and act accordingly.

But why would you give them towncred?

1. The answer to that one is literally in the post that you quoted.
2. Scum loves joking for towncred because it appeals to town in positive way and it's one of the easiest way to get townread. How many games have you played?

Metal Sonic: Slight town lean I'm liking the questioning quite a bit, but there's no actual scumhunting in there

I'm liking the questioning quite a bit, but there's no actual scumhunting in there

Slight town lean

????
Am I reading this correctly?

[Layla]

You weren't answering my questions.

I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION AND WASNT HIDING ANYTHING! I DIDNT ANSWER BECAUSE I WASNT GOING TO FROM MY PHONE BECAUSE ITS TOO HARD! IF YOU WANT TO LYNCH SOMEONE FOR HIDING INFORMATION, LYNCH LAYLA BECAUSE THEY STILL ARE HIDING ONE OF THEIR REASONS FOR VOTING SONIC!

But I already stated all three reasons.

One with my vote
One with the <.<
One with the readlist

[Layla]

TL;DR for you.

1. RC/MS
2. scumclaiming
3. Uneasy feeling/Gut

P-Edit: Is that you twisting your tongue somewhere?

P-Edit: More posts.

[Layla]

I use experience meta, not "Reading through a past game i wasnt part of" meta.

cool...well GIF can back me up on that one.

^
GIF your answer to this?

Hmm?

[Layla]

top?

[Layla]

I still don't know what I needed to prove.

[Layla]

Also I'm gonna read what happened to Fro99er/Luna back there because honestly my bad habit kicked in and skipped those going "lol TvT."

[Layla]

@Yimmy: State your description to your MS read once more please.

[Layla]

Yimmy's reads are all jumbled up.
Hence I asked him how much game he've played.

[Layla]

Ok so I'm serious. What exactly did I needed to prove?
Fro99er overthinking and overexplaining? Because that's basically him every time.

[Layla]

Speaking of Yimmy's read, I don't get his nullread on Fro99er at all.
He's one of the people with most content in this game right now he got a ribbiting nullread.

[Layla]

@Yimmy:

2. Scum loves joking for towncred because it appeals to town in positive way and it's one of the easiest way to get townread. How many games have you played?

Also you don't need to go all out of the way explaining in detail.
I just simply want you to reword your description of your MS read to fix what you erred.

[Layla]

Here, I'll give you a plenty time to catch up and do something before we sacrifice you to the blood god.

Hi, this post is mainly to get rid of my current prod, but I'll try to catch up soon.

I'm just too lazy to do so right now

(expired on 2015-09-29 18:07:39)

[Layla]

I think I need to talk with RC

Ike for president!

gl hf

[Layla]

I remember almost snarkly answering "YOU" and then just decided to purposely not answering that.

[Layla]

Since when the safe vote always meant a mislynch vote?

[Layla]

Ok I expected this sooner but this might even not happen if I don't mention it.

VOTE: Metal Sonic

Town has no reason to claim scum.

Back then I was being Layla.
Now that I claimed my main, do you still believe I believed in this?

[Layla]

@Fro99er

[Layla]

VOTE: Metal Sonic

Town has no reason to claim scum.

This is bullshit logic that assumes that every actions is solely based on it's viability towards achieving a win.

Much of the stuff that most players do is utterly independent of the pursuit of victory; this is a social game.

Even scumbums try to have fun.

Ok I expected this sooner but this might even not happen if I don't mention it.

VOTE: Metal Sonic

Town has no reason to claim scum.

Back then I was being Layla.
Now that I claimed my main, do you still believe I believed in this?

Your timing is impeccable.

[Layla]

That was actually more of a policy reason actually.
And the reasons I've stated is why those actions needs to be policy lynched.

Pushing for silly things like that is how I like to break early RVS time to time.

[Layla]

Break RVS early*

[Layla]

"Policy" rarely hits scum and on the occasions it does there's often strong indicators outside of the policy that the person is scum.

Actually it's 50/50, because of the chance of town doing said move and chance of scum doing said move are equal.

It only looks like it rarely hits scum because well, how many times have you actually seen policy lynch going through successfully?

Exactly.

(fun fact: the last time I started with exact same reason for 'policy' push, the target was scum.)

[Layla]

50/50? Shouldn't that be #scum / #town?

I am speaking of a chance of an individual flipping certain alignment from policy lynching, my point being the action that worth a policy lynch can come from any alignment equally.
You are speaking of a chance of a random lynch.

Why did you keep pushing for metal sonics lynch?

It would be boring to stop at just breaking an RVS. So why not go further and make people take stances and let the wagons form?

[Layla]

The attacking of low postcount players as well as the buddying up, and also a sort of lack of info.

What do you think of the readlist that MS posted?

[Layla]

I asked because your thought process is missing how MS have gotten their townreads, because that readlist says that those "non-posters" are left as a PoE. Your argument of "MS is just attacking non-poster thus scum" doesn't hold if your argument is missing how the way MS has gotten their townreads is bunch of baloney.

[Layla]

That's what the readlist look like but if MS had good reasons for those townreads and non-posters are left as a PoE than your argument will get easily countered with "It's just a coincidence."

[Layla]

But that first requires MS to say so, which they haven't done yet.

No he doesn't need to say anything.
In fact, you probably want to look it up yourself before he says it.

You said you caught up. If my memory is serving correctly (By the way, it is.). MS had some reasons for the townreads.
Your case is incomplete without you analyzing them.

[Layla]

I really try not to doublepost but

i feel i need to psychoanalyze how i truly felt about the lynch

What's your read on Ricastle now?

[Layla]

Oh I forgot to make a post yesterday.

I'll read up after I wake up.

[Layla]

So I saw a wagon on not_mafia and he started to speak out so I was staying at the back and watch what would happen but all he does are some useless questions and place a OMGUS vote on someone who put him on L-1 calling opportunistic.

I think now is the most opportunistic moment to say "Intent to hammer," I believe.

[Layla]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Layla]

Also, that quickhammer by Layla sucked balls. Why is nobody talking about that?

I don't remember quickhammering.

Also consider my activity dead until Sunday.

But I do want to ask this.

What's the reason for VeeGee wagon again?
It could be my memory but I've yet seen a single reason stated except for "sheeping my friend" and "he's scum."

Am I missing something or is there everyone-is-in-a-neighborhood-except-for-me going on again?

(Oh by the way, I'm not exactly townreading VeeGee either and I will gladly give my own reasoning after I hear some stuff.)

[Layla]

Dodging force replace for now

[Layla]

Dav is town.
VeeGee is also town.
Ank is also town.

DGB style!

[Layla]

Would vote MS/Yimmy/Bins

[Layla]

VOTE: Metal Sonic

[Layla]

You on both mislynches you bad!!!

There is no way in hell he'd believe in this.

[Layla]

Would vote MS/Yimmy/Bins

Unless something drastic happens I don't see myself from moving out of this one.

[Layla]

Also, him going after ricastle instead of VeeGee who he was calling scum the entire D1 and even said "one of either Dav and VeeGee are scum" is a weird turn at the least and it kinda leads to "scum killed frogger just to frame Ric".

[Layla]

happily mislynching 2 pple in a row

Dav is town.

VeeGee is also town.
Ank is also town.

DGB style!

I don't remember mislynching 2 people.

[Layla]

Ank
VeeGee
Ricastle

Oh boo hoo
I'm townreading all of your scumreads.

[Layla]

ask me on any reads if you have questions

Let me ask you about your veegee reads

Actually never mind. I still clearly remember your two single reasons you stated for scumreading VeeGee.

1. Having a shallow opinion
2. Saying NM wagon came out of nowhere.

Gee what a case for someone you're scumreading a lot.

[Layla]

ur scumreading me so i give no shits about your reads

It's been 4 months since I've seen such a scrubtalk like this.

I'm in awe.

[Layla]

Trying to look cute won't work on me.

At least start with using a touhou avi perhaps

[Layla]

Oh by the way, I am dead serious that I have no intent to re-evaluate my reads.
My reads are dead set unless I'm proved wrong and right now I'm considering this game solved.

[Layla]

GIF can you quote your reasons on those reads or go into details on them?

Is there something you disagree with?

[Layla]

layla's "my reads are right" on especially vimmy/i w/o paranoia at all are bad

Is there something you disagree with?

[Layla]

I agree. Especially considering she hasn't divulged on any of those reads at all. Care to now, Layla?

Is there something you disagree with?

[Layla]

Also, why wasn't I questioned when I threw out reads like that near the end of D1?

[Layla]

Actually Bins, why are my scumreads w/o paranoia bad considering the way I reach the scumpool in general?
And once you remember the way I get scumreads, you can explain to Ricastle how I reached my scumreads.

This should be fun to watch.

[Layla]

Why are you voting MS?

Oh I guess I can answer this one.

Because I'm not townreading him.

[Layla]

Plus all that terrible D1 stuff that mostly included the half-ass "scumhunting" near the beginning of the Day 1, devolved to useless fluff and his giant catch up post was not amusing at all. His two reasons to scumread VeeGee are too awful that I doubt he himself believes them himself other than a null points. Also his whole push on VeeGee yesterday lacked the usual drive that town MS usually do and did basically nothing other than "lol scum." Plus this unexplainable shift of direction to Ricastle today.

[Layla]

No. I'm asking because I don't have reads on the majority of the playerlist and you're one of the only townreads I have.

Well I just explained one but the rest is _ _ _ .

Also what made you townread me? I forgot to ask this last time.

[Layla]

Oh also unless something says otherwise, if I ever try to get RC lynched please stop me because that would be like 80% policy lynch attempt.

[Layla]

Man since when I became that easy to be read?
I must work more on making people's life harder.

[Layla]

While you're here let's talk about why your vote is not on MS.

[Layla]

Problem is, that doesn't actually make very much sense as scum unless MS knows me well enough to know that pushing me as scum is usually a bad idea, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't.

What

I'd push you in a heartbeat as scum given a chance. I don't know where you're getting that idea.

[Layla]

look at where my vote was at the end of yesterday

irrelevant.

your talk about "oh you didn't push veegee enough" isnt even a scumtell

Never said you didn't push. I said it lacked a drive.

[Layla]

layla's "my reads are right" on especially vimmy/i w/o paranoia at all are bad

Is there something you disagree with?

...........

Go on

[Layla]

I like taking stuff nice and slow unlike you.

[Layla]

Anyway I work today and I have no interest to stay in this thread until more people shows up.

So ciao!

[Layla]

I kinda expected you would focus more on what I said to you right after that as you town.
But you're not town so heh.

[Layla]

Actually Bins, why are my scumreads w/o paranoia bad considering the way I reach the scumpool in general?
And once you remember the way I get scumreads, you can explain to Ricastle how I reached my scumreads.

Is this a complex enough question that needs to go through my snark first to do something about it?

[Layla]

I even dropped the hint somewhere.

It has three letters and it's what I use the most.

[Layla]

i don't sense fear and uncertainty from you at all
and that's a giant red flag

Actually I've never felt uncertainty when it comes down to my townreads since 2014.
Ever. Not until very late game.

[Layla]

Well at least once I was done sorting anyway.

[Layla]

Bellaphant is confirmed town.
Ankamius as scum wouldn't townread as quickly as that because he knows I'll destroy him if he fucks up like that as scum.
Luna Fox is being her usual town self with overdone sarcasm and her usual town self poking.
RadiantCowbells I don't see people disagreeing so I won't bother explaining it again.
Ricastle is my bank townread and I already covered my townread on him in that table wall.
VeeGee is arguably the weakest townread I have but if people are having trouble coming up with a proper reason for scumreading him, then it increases the chances of him being town. I did say in Day 1 that I'm not really townreading him for reason but it's minor enough. Plus I don't think they're scum together and I think MS is scum.

Who does that leave to me?

[Layla]

anyway i act the same in all my games anyway

That's what you think

[Layla]

Plus I don't think they're scum together

They = VeeGee and MS.

[Layla]

no its literally not about that at all

i dont wanna guess about outside events or even bring this into the game
please

Said it better than what I was gonna say

Get that outside-of-game-influence shit out of here.
Nobody cares nor it influences reads in any way.
But I won't accept you using that as an AtE regardless of your intention.

[Layla]

Anyway I feel generous enough to give you a chance to change my mind.

I want you to 1v1 VeeGee seriously.

P-Edit: Deconstructing what? What you said back there was irrelevant to my case because you were completely missing the point and were strawmanning it poorly.

[Layla]

Also do note that I moved out from gut completely at this point.

[Layla]

what the literal fuck do you want me to push when he's lurking his ass shit out of the game and depositing the best of nothing which i can effectively build a strongarm case on

i didnt catch a scumtell

i didnt catch a scumslip

And yet you spent almost entirety of Day 1 on pushing him.
I think that's very telling.

[Layla]

But as I said, I'm willing to give you a chance to change my mind as you said you're just having an off game.
And I want you to push VeeGee seriously. As "lurkfuck" he may be, he still have 49 posts.

[Layla]

Now I gotta get myself ready for work.
Ciao for realz

P-Edit: Hahahahaha
Think of who you've pushed Day 1.
If your VeeGee push was 1/2 of the second your Ank push was 1/64 of the second.

[Layla]

so this is false then?

Still true since the minimal pushing the majority of your post was circlejerking with RC.

[Layla]

Will be back Monday

I want my weekend dedicated to proper relaxing.

[Layla]

And yet it didn't bother you none when I had a solid PoE at Day 1 in hope plus one.

[Layla]

Post 1195: 11:01:17 am
Post 1196: 11:02:51 am

11:02:51 am - 11:01:17 am = 0:01:34

It took Bins 1 minute 34 seconds to read from 1192~1194, reviewed Ankamius and ASP's ISO, and made a vote that is totally not an OMGUS.

Bravo, Bins. You broke the sound barrier.

[Layla]

Odd night sounds sketch but he claimed doc so idgaf
His claim timing was dumb because the attention was shifting away from his lynch.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Yimmy

[Layla]

Join me on Yimmy.

Or lynch vg to save mod a trouble.

[Layla]

I think I'm going to VOTE: Ankamius

MS, who did you protect last night?

Why ank?

VOTE: VG

[Layla]

VOTE: Vimmy

[Layla]

Oh by the way I think what BBm did is null.

[Layla]

If I knew the gamestate will go down to hell like this I shouldn't have outed myself and just troll.

[Layla]

So what do you think about the game reads wise

[Layla]

Oh by the way just letting people know that I gave up on double lynching today long time ago.

This game moves way too slow void of contents for optimal double Iynchting.

[Layla]

Lynching*

[Layla]

Gave up != Don't want.

Double lynch is an awesome thing to have but at the rate this game is going I fear that the double lynch will just net two dead town bodies.

[Layla]

Stuff like this

I don't get why so many people wanted to lynch veegee to save the mod the trouble? IIRC replwcements are really good for town? (If the slot is town)

> Not understanding the current gamestate

I don't get why Luna Wolf is still alive.

> Mindlessly bellowing

is why I don't want to double lynch today.

[Layla]

I don't get why Luna Wolf is still alive.

Actually I'll tell you why Luna is still alive.

Many people are townreading Luna and you haven't done jack to convince them otherwise.

[Layla]

You wanted to know why and I told you why.

It's purely up to you what to do with it.

[Layla]

I'm out.

Bye y'all.