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[RadiantCowbells]

The fuck are you doing this game adenine?

VOTE: Adenine

There's literally no chance this is town Adenine at all. lynch it now.

wtf is this ConMan wagon and why is everyone assuming there's an SK?

[RadiantCowbells]

Well, you're right that Adenine is scum.

KTK is probably town though given my past experience with him.

[RadiantCowbells]

which is pretty much exactly what you said last time you were scum; you didn't disagree that you were scum you just called me scum and said you weren't getting lynched.

I might not be able to get you lynched but I'm certainly not sidetracking your wagon at all this time.

[RadiantCowbells]

he's not going to die and flip scum if you don't vote him.

[RadiantCowbells]

mafia. you're playing completely absentee and just letting whatever lynch go through.

I'd expect SK to be taking a proactive role in trying to lynch scum today.

[RadiantCowbells]

If your point is that Vedith's "let's hunt the SK specifically" shpiel is terrible, then I agree.

But I could see that from town, scum, or even SK so it's null besides being unimpressive reasoning.

[RadiantCowbells]

You know that's a really weird question for Adenine to ask and it brings to mind scum caught for the wrong reasons; ie he thinks he's been scumread as one faction when he's the other.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, see the thing is that if CMM was scum then there's not enough impetus on the wagon for scum not to be able to start another wagon.

The fact that people are just content on letting it happen without anyone really trying to do anything else nor scum trying to solidify themselves as scum reading ConMan for towncred later shows me that scum are happy with this wagon; it's town.

quit being fucking absentee and do something.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh, and the only one who DID try to start something else, albeit in an extremely lazy and insincere way? Adenine.

So on the off chance that ConMan IS scum, then we're still almost certainly looking at Adenine scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'd say that scum would be unlikely to push the ConMan wagon in any concerted way, rather they'd just let apathy stall the game out and let town do the lynch themselves.

There may be scum on the wagon, but I wouldn't expect there to be more than 1, 2 at most.

[RadiantCowbells]

ehh fucking masons.

I'll go figure something else out but this game is so low activity that I don't really have any other reads.

I was scumreading Veidth but I don't think that he'd be so cheeky as to try to put pressure on a mason claim as scum.

VOTE: Performer

[RadiantCowbells]

I think that every game I've played with a mason team I've immediately started scumreading one of them.

self-confirmed town roles play themselves in a way that drives me crazy.

[RadiantCowbells]

Performer's last was pretty OK though so I'm going to see about muffin.

VOTE: Muffin

[RadiantCowbells]

wtb effort.

[RadiantCowbells]

Another town autolosing to apathy, yay!

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright, this is scum.

VOTE: Vedith

He's relying on his fake apathy to let him jump on whatever wagons form, stayed on ConMan, tried to continue pushing Adenine through, etc.

No one who is apathetic enough to just jump form wagon to wagon would be taking the time to cast doubt on a Mason claim. This whole devil may care thing is forced as fuck.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Evvenomous

I've been thinking more and more about the banana hammer specifically.

Oh shit did I just fucking hammer him?!

That was not intended I am sorry...

OK yep, that was a hammer I'm sorry

Oh, right, forgot this wasn't 5 to lynch, Jesus I feel incredibly stupid

This line of quotes doesn't follow the situation. He was posting like he was following his stream thought but there's several things out of place for that. The ?! and ellipses in the first / second sentences belies a completeness of thought which is out of place for what he's posting, the train of thought between the second and third is in the wrong order and the thing just looks way too polished for the situation.

I don't like him in general aside from this, but this set of posts is just wrong.

[RadiantCowbells]

There's a reason I don't often explain my reads, but there's a few people in this game who have seen me in action enough to give me street cred regardless of how different my explanations are from the mafiascum norm.

[RadiantCowbells]

I phrased that poorly, I wasn't bothered by the logic of your explanation (it more or less is similar to what I'd just posted), just the fact that you gave one at all

Implying that I don't normally give reasons for my vote or that I don't normally have reasons for my vote?

[RadiantCowbells]

Nothing here addresses how adorable Annie is.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ev's scum 100%.

I find it suspicious as fuck how many people said they wanted an EV lynch but won't vote him with me.

[RadiantCowbells]

If that was your theory, that explains why I'm voting town and you're voting scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

let's just pretend i'm neither drunk nor extremely tired and that post never happened, mmk?

[RadiantCowbells]

Returned to check on the game, Evv still hasn't replied to my 413. Now he's replacing out.

Also, welcome, catboi. What causes you to think I’m an alt?

Keeping my vote on

Muffin

Inan.

This is scum with EV.

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay, go for it... Because he is trying to distance himself, or do you see something else?

I saw it in his eyes.

[RadiantCowbells]

then fucking vote EV

[RadiantCowbells]

this is why you were still trying to vote Shinobi when I was committed to Jean and then had to ask me why I was confirmed town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, the series of posts that I actually took the time to drudge up *could not* have come from town.

there is a 0% chance of it, back in the day I'd be claiming cop with a guilty right here.

[RadiantCowbells]

this is why you were still trying to vote Shinobi when I was committed to Jean and then had to ask me why I was confirmed town.

Not gonna get guilt tripped because I missed on a day 1 read in another game, nya. (also I never asked you why you were confirmed town, I was freaking dead)

Like, the series of posts that I actually took the time to drudge up *could not* have come from town.

there is a 0% chance of it, back in the day I'd be claiming cop with a guilty right here.

I hated them too, don't get me wrong

you hated them, I'm telling you the guy's confirmed scum and my word is somewhat reliable.

why is he not getting lynched?

[RadiantCowbells]

in addition, the wording seems realistic to me. It's a little awkward, but he freaks out about possibly hammering on accident, apologizes, then checks to see if he possibly didn't mess up.

It's not just awkward, the thought process is plain wrong. He did not think what he is saying he thought in the order he posted it.

The only situation under which he could be town is if he hammered intentionally and lied about it.

I'm telling you the dude is scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, I haven't played with you before but the fact that I'm jumping up and down for this guy with a bunch of people who know that my reads are pretty reliable and nothing is happening should literally confirm him as scum on its own.

[RadiantCowbells]

In fact, Catboi might be scum for the way he made a case for Cavane scum partially predicated on EV scum but is pulling at every single straw to avoid supporting the lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

No one else cares about this game clearly so just let me pick the vote and lynch EV.

Like, Performer's not terrible but it's such a colossal waste when you have confirmed scum right here.

[RadiantCowbells]

The purpose was to pretend that it was an accident and not a calculated maneuver.

[RadiantCowbells]

Because they're the same damn slot and there's no difference.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hi I'm Fuzzylogic99 and someone is calling me confirmed scum and I'm going to sit here and pretend that it's not happening.

[RadiantCowbells]

I didn't ask you to do anything.

I just asked others to lynch you

If you were town your priority would be sorting me or changing my mind right now. You wouldn't just be sitting there ignoring someone screaming to lynch you.

[RadiantCowbells]

I remain positive that the Fuzzylogic slot is scum.

However, we need a lynch and I'm not altogether opposed to a Performer lynch.

VOTE: Performer

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: FuzzyLogc

It's MyLo and there's no SK to cross kill anymore so I'm not lynching outside of this, period.

[RadiantCowbells]

The real question is whether Vedith would try to bus his partner while I'm voting his other partner.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well, y'know, if we lynched Fuzzy yesterday, Performer might have killed another scum.

I think it should be pretty clear that Fuzzy's scum at this point given how difficult it was to get that going and how fast Performer went down.

[RadiantCowbells]

I note that you're not currently voting Fuzzylogic.

[RadiantCowbells]

You seem like you can be written in the form a/b where a, b belong to the set of integers.

[RadiantCowbells]

We aren't massclaiming, just lynch FuzzyLogic.

[RadiantCowbells]

The lack of any traction for my wagon on MyLo should be taken as confirmation that Fuzzy's scum, fyi.

[RadiantCowbells]

it being dead-assed would make it fucking easy for scum to jump on a town wagon.

[RadiantCowbells]

How does a SK flip make me town?

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean he's all over the map and seems pretty content to just let the game stall lout without either pushing me as scum or trying to change my vote.

I also don't think Cavane's last post was remotely believable either, so that gives us 2 scum, with one of Vedith or CDB as the last scum most likely.

[RadiantCowbells]

don't believe in yourself. believe in me who believes in myself.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, let's see that Performer-wagon. Inanity, RadiantCowbells, ChannelDelibird , Cavane, Vedith, Catboi. Who's the scum there? According to Inanity, the scum team could have jumped on this wagon one after the other. (The fact he was townreading Cavane contradicts this.) In my opinion, the whole team couldn't have been there; only one or two of them – because, there was no real counter-wagon at that point.

This is completely arbitrary and is terrible logic, FTR

VCA is some of the absolute worst snake oil that continues to get peddled by people

seriously adenine just stop and vote Fuzzy.

[RadiantCowbells]

ya, CDB is at best a useless fuck and at worst scum.

why is fuzzy still alive agian?

[RadiantCowbells]

So basically you just want me to let confirmed scum off the hook and jump onto a wagon based on few people townreading as opposed to a ton of people scumreading.

Why do you not want to lynch Fuzzy?

[RadiantCowbells]

*yawn*

[RadiantCowbells]

You said that you are scum reading CdB for other reasons....can you explain.

CdB
How do I know you are not just lurking scum?

wtf is this shit lynch it now

catboi the fuck are you doing

[RadiantCowbells]

How the hell do we only have one vote on Fuzzy atm?

[RadiantCowbells]

Catboi, I note that you still haven't voted FuzzyLogic.

[RadiantCowbells]

holy shit adenine just leave your vote on fuzzy while you're gone christ.

[RadiantCowbells]

Adenine is ruining my life.

[RadiantCowbells]

my view is I don't give a fuck I'm not lynching anyone besides Fuzzy today.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: FuzzyLogic

Vedith is next, then maybe Catboi.

[RadiantCowbells]

Mario, revote.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't even want to talk to you people, jesus., we can massclaim if you want just fucking vote fuzzy.

[RadiantCowbells]

In that case, I think we're lynching Vedith today.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh right, you're Cavane's slot.

Tomorrow's lynch should be in the neighbourhood 100%, even if I'm not alive to make it happen, fyi.

We're doing Fuzzy now though.

[RadiantCowbells]

"two sets of masons"

no, with legit masons in the game I can 100% guarantee you that there is at least one scum in the neighbourhood, and there could possibly be even 2, though I would suspect that scum would have killed the last neighbour if that was the case.

Also, that wasn't a legitimate slip. that 'error' was clearly forced and the triple question mark is fake as fuck there.

[RadiantCowbells]

In fact yeah

VOTE: Unvote

All neighbours will claim and we lynch in that pool for now.

[RadiantCowbells]

Who is the neighbourizer and why am I not in it?

[RadiantCowbells]

K so fuzzy's reaction was pretty terrible and it's pretty clear that he was aware of the neighbourhood so I'm still good lynching him first.

VOTE: Fuzzy

[RadiantCowbells]

No one is to hammer until I've given final thoughts on tomorrow's lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm doubting the neighbourizer itself was scum. Cavane is town.

We're still definitely looking at one, maybe two scums between Catboi and Vedith. MM's town, I'm town, Dierfire is town, so basically it's 3 pick 2 in CDB/Catboi/Vedith plus Fuzzy.

[RadiantCowbells]

How does neighbour chat look?

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, I'm getting a strong feeling that Catboi is scum in the neighbourhood.

It's possible that Vedith is as well? but I'm thinking it's Fuzzy/CDB/Catboi right now.

Vedith's snide comment about me leading struck me as likely coming from town.

[RadiantCowbells]

wait there are two sets of masons???

This is a weird set up? I guess maybe this was to equalize the SK role. I really don't see any reason to see why you would lie. Doing so would either out you as a liar or your two scum buddies/ I think you are telling the truth


Dire
Do you think me and Mario are scum buddies.

My read on CMM was based on the theory he was town bc he got ran up on day 1. This usually happens to town. I did not read his ISo or do any real research. Basically I was being lazy. After doing some research I realize that my conclusion was wrong. I did not think he was scum at that point but was asmiting that it was a possibility.My reads evolved.

Can you explain to me why I am scum over Mario who has yet made a case... and has done nothing but try to emotional manipulate the town al game.

The mason line, I think, was an engineered slip, plus the whole post is so awkward and forced and doesn't really address either Neighbours or Masons in any real way.

Like, if he thought they were masons he'd change tack in some way, if he thought they were neighbours he'd address it, he sort of hedges the claim like he wants to be able to have credible deniability either way.

The knowledge of the neighbourhood is definitely not new information for him, in other words.

I'm positive there is scum in the neighbourhood.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, Catboi kept expressing a desire to lynch Fuzzy slot a long time ago but until I started shifting my focus towards him somewhat it's been impossible to get him to support it in any way.

[RadiantCowbells]

You better fucking not vote him Vedith.

[RadiantCowbells]

let's play truth or dare

I dare you to stop obstructing town and vote Fuzzy.

[RadiantCowbells]

K, so either all 3 of us are scum or Fuzzy is scum.

I'd suggest not hammering so I can sort through what I want to leave as my final directive for tomorrow's lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright, so if I die I'd say #1 lynch priority is Catboi.

I can see CDB as town who has completely checked out and I can see Vedith as stubborn ass town but I don't really see Catboi being town anymore.

I remain fully convinced that MM and Dier are town.

Go ahead and hammer.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am not sure Vedith is town.

I'm positive Fuzzy is scum, but I could see it being any 3p2 of Vedith/Catboi/CDB and I haven't really started digging into associatives yet because I've been trying to get Fuzzy lynched.

[RadiantCowbells]

Dierfire being essentially confirmed town makes me think that we've actually got a pretty good shot at winning this.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you don't argue with me at all then I speedlynch you tomorrow.

You expressed support for a Fuzzy lynch literally eons ago and it's taken until now to get you to support the wagon.

What gives?

[RadiantCowbells]

Catboi was expressing doubts about what in the neighbourhooD?

[RadiantCowbells]

yeah fuck off fuzzy

[RadiantCowbells]

Dierfire, is there any direct conversation between Vedith and Catboi that makes you specifically think they're not likely to be scum together?

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh shit and I just remember, back when Catboi was tunneling the Cavane slot there was at least one person in the neighbourhood with you right?

[RadiantCowbells]

Can you get me into the neighbourhood so I can read it over?

[RadiantCowbells]

Well, at least Vedith claimed a somewhat townread on Fuzzy.

Catboi kept saying that he wanted a Fuzzy lynch but was absolutely refusing to get involved.

[RadiantCowbells]

The one thing holding me back from calling Catboi confirmed scum right now is that he was the one person outside of the townblock who wasn't trying to maneuver into a mario lynch.

Vedith, Fuzzy, CDB were all trying to make that happen.

It's possible that scum were afraid to try to start something and were hoping that a town would make the first vote but I don't understand why Cat's been so standoffish about the fuzzy lynch.

I want to read neighbour chat badly.

[RadiantCowbells]

I can see him as scum and I can see him as town. Same goes for CDB.

I don't really see Catboi town, period.

[RadiantCowbells]

If I live to tomorrow and get access to neighbour chat I'll make final judgement, otherwise I'll leave it to Dierfire who has access to it right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

Catboi and I have both posted now so we've got a guaranteed scum between Vedith and MM4 I'm pretty sure.

I'm going to reread neighbour chat and figure stuff out.

[RadiantCowbells]

I really don't understand why I'm the only one who thinks that MM is town.

[RadiantCowbells]

mm4's town

I spent the entire night phase making a case for dier as scum in the nieghborhood. Would've probably voted him

Interesting.

[RadiantCowbells]

The neighbourhood chat inclines me to believe that Catboi is town and Vedith is scum with CDB.

I remain fully convinced that MM is town.

I'm going to vote Vedith once I've decided for sure who I want you guys to lynch tomorrow.

[RadiantCowbells]

There's also a possibility that Catboi sees this as an opportunity to bus his partner for a strong standing tomorrow.

I'm pretty sure about Vedith but I want CDB to talk.

[RadiantCowbells]

Catboi, why did you suddenly swing on MM?

[RadiantCowbells]

nvm you didn't.

I'm tired.

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright, I'm going to give Catboi the benefit of the doubt because if scum had led onto MM4 they'd have gotten that lynch, guaranteed, but he never supported it.

Tomorrow you guys should lynch CDB.

VOTE: Vedith

[RadiantCowbells]

His push on Dierfire last night seemed genuine as well, and Vedith sort of just shrugged it off.

[RadiantCowbells]

Do you have anything to say about that hammer?

[RadiantCowbells]

I think you guys had that anyway to be honest but thanks!

[RadiantCowbells]

[RadiantCowbells]

Modding games is a gigantic pain in the ass and I see it, particularly in the normal queue, as more of a public service than anything.