Mini 1733: Jurassic Monkey - game over

[Scorpious]

Sorry for the really late entrance. Weekend start is hard. Reading now..

[Scorpious]

I'm trying a more relaxed playstyle in this game, so will leave my vote unti there's more evidence than a vibe.

is being more relaxed something you have to try harder at for any specific reason? Why wouldn't you be relaxed if you had nothing to hide?

I read Mafiascum quite a bit. Less stressful than playing.

Again. I know this was asked by Fire,but how is playing the game stressful. I have a few ideas in mind but I'd like you to elaborate please..

[Scorpious]

@Archmage,

Do you always use post counts to help formulate reads?

I have to say 146 looks really forced. You don't really say a lot. Am I scummy based on my slow start here?

[Scorpious]

I'm voting you because of the intent behind your aggression, which is to throw shit at the wall a see what sticks. That is scum indicative.

I don't necessarily disagree with this line of thinking.

Diego looks like an easy mislynch target for scum at this point in the game..

[Scorpious]

Looking at Garmr in isolation, there is only 1 piece of actual contribution of content in his 18 posts that isn't directly about me or my vote on him, and that one piece was a meta town read on Fire.

I read it..

In fairness to Garmr. Who have you reference other than him and 3Dice since page 5?

[Scorpious]

I'm glad you've finally realized how little you've mentioned anything else. Since my original point on you, the content you've posted that doesn't involve me includes exactly 3 things: 1) Your old weak meta town read on Fire, 2) Your meta null-read of pistachi0n (it's debatable if this is content), and 3) Pointing out once again the IC (also not precisely content but I'm giving it to you).Tunneling is not inherently scummy but ho boy have you done a great job ignoring the rest of the game.

sorry for 2 posts..

But,are you not doing the same thing you are accusing him of?

[Scorpious]

@scorpious - Glad you're here now. Is there any particular reason you don't have a vote out?

I'd like a few of my questions answered before I feel comfortable with a vote. Since I essentially missed RVS,I'd like it to be meaningful.. just just so I have one out.

[Scorpious]

Post 166 updates my reads of several players. Also, you're asking for 2 and a half pages worth when I'm referring to Garmr's 7 and a half pages worth, and I've still provided more content relating to other things in said time frame.

Fair,but surely you can point out a scummy behavior that doesn't resemble something you have done,even if you have done it to a much lesser extent.

[Scorpious]

I was never a fan of MM4's Diego vote..Actually I'm not a fan of either of his non-RVS votes

Re: the vote on Diego.. Do you have anything on that slot other than a meta on a past game?

Re: the vote on Garmr..172 and 221. in 172 you read a few as scum and said everyone else is town. 221 you quoted one sentence from Garmr and voted him? What else other than that one sentence. Please tell us. I'd like to know your thought progression here..

[Scorpious]

A: This isn't meta? what is the vote based on then?

This is Diego straight out of Open 609.VOTE: Diego

B:I dodn't ask that. I asked what your thought progression was. So using your terms I'll simplify. What happened from 172-221 in your head that made Garmr scum?

[Scorpious]

VOTE: mariomaniac4

[Scorpious]

Scumread on Mario, he's playing lazily.

VOTE: MarioManiac

While I agree on the scum read,this seems very contradictory..

[Scorpious]

I could compromise on Pistachion, they are a null read.

I would much rather lynch mage though.

If those were the two options. I would support a Mage lynch. I can't get over that forced read wall. Yes,he did admit it looked forced,but it was still posted..

I'm not sold on Pistachion

[Scorpious]

Thanks for the B-day words..now to catch up.. still drunk I think

Why did everyone type in duplicate..

[Scorpious]

Someone obviously doesn't know my playstyle.

Can you enlighten us please?

I know my opinions,but I'd like to get it from the horse's mouth since you brought it up.

[Scorpious]

Damn,Alch.. Why?

420

I have to re-read you now.. That post was so uneeded

[Scorpious]

Re-read Alch.. I see nothing..

I would support a Dave lynch today as well,however if he does flip town. I would be seriously worried about Mage.

[Scorpious]

only reason I haven't voted is because I'm not positive of the count..

[Scorpious]

No, information is "There are people voting for Davsto. ICE made a case against him but I don't know how I feel about it".

Analysis is "I don't like this wagon", which is how I am interpreting Mario's post. Mario, please correct me if I am wrong, and that you are actually confused by the wagon as opposed to being against it.

I agree with this..

UNVOTE: mm4
VOTE: Archmage

[Scorpious]

What is that acronym ICE?

[Scorpious]

@Scorpious, If you had been reading, you'd know that IIoA is information instead of analysis, because there was much discussion of Archmage doing this.

Considering how you're VOTING him, that makes me super uneasy.

I understand what the phrase is,just didn't put the acronym together. Dont make it more than a simple question.. Nothing to be uneasy about.

[Scorpious]

Ooh yeah that Scorp wagon is looking really good about now.

I'd like to see you answer 470,

Scorpious

?

haven't been able to shake the scum read on mage ever since I read that read list awhile back.

[Scorpious]

Do you want to lynch me over semantics ICE?

I knew you were going to make a big deal about nothing..

[Scorpious]

I am ready for a lynch right now.
Either Archmage or Davsto pls.

Lets get flip and info and progression.

I'd prefer Mage

I'll support Dave

[Scorpious]

F*ck it..

Intent!!

[Scorpious]

Someone sounds a tad survivalistic, don't you think?

VT. Go on. Do it before you get some suspicion for it, Scorpius.

I get suspicion for everything.. no different..

VOTE: Davsto

[Scorpious]

holy crap Wednesday!?

sorry..

[Scorpious]

Also would like to add the fact like dave, mario was more concerned with me town blocking fire instead of finding other scum points to actually build a case on me.

WTF? I was scumreading you for forcing a townblock because SCUM. WANT. TO. BE. IN. A. TOWNBLOC.
THAT PART OF YOUR CASE ON DAVE IS 100% SHITTY. THE FACT YOU THINK YOU ARE PLAYING WELL BY FAKING A GUILTY ON TOWN AND LETTING THE LYNCH GO THROUGH SHOULD SHOW YOU THAT YOU NEED TO RE-EVALUATE YOUR TELLS.

caps aren't cruise control for cool..

and your vote on me is horrendous..

[Scorpious]

Hey Scorp. Explain your hammer to me?

General reads list?

sure,no time promises but I'm catching up now..

[Scorpious]

3d- very logical thought progression. I don't read as scum.
Alchemist-I like how he seems to be asking questions and being open about answers. IT don't get the vibe he is asking his questions with the intent of slamming someone on their answer. Town
All alone-not enough for me to feel anything.The only indicative thing

could

be activity,or lack thereof. I used to use activity as a read.was always wrong. null
Dav-DEADSCUM
Fire--Where did he go?
Garmr-been scum with him before..Not seeing the same play.Town
ICEninja-really pinged me when he started pushing me on something insignificant. Scum lean
mm4-been reading scum since the game started,.
pistachio- loos like an easy mislynch.. null-town
Syn-I know IC sucks
Archamage-been wary ever since that first "forced" read wall. lean scum
Wanderer-logical progression on me hammering.. Town

these are abridged.. ask for any clarification..

[Scorpious]

Stops scumreading me as soon as I defend Davsto.

Who said I ever stopped scum reading you?

[Scorpious]

This is a nice push Mario,where is it coming from?

[Scorpious]

Is 3dice a nullread or a Townread for you? If it's a Townread could you explain that some more?

Town,I find myself agreeing with his process,Also liked how the early push was handled.

I also like how instead of just dismissing my disagreement with the Pistachio wagon, he referenced her iso..

[Scorpious]

@Scorpius, once again, I'd really like to know why you chose to hammer fifteen minutes after intent.

IDK, seemed like the right thing to do..

VOTE: mm4

[Scorpious]

@Scorpius, once again, I'd really like to know why you chose to hammer fifteen minutes after intent.

IDK, seemed like the right thing to do..

VOTE: mm4

Either that or you saw your buddy was going down and hammered to stop down discussion?

that's also possible..

Just not true..

[Scorpious]

I'm at least ninety percent certain that .

*...Scorpius is scum.

and you are 90% wrong..,

[Scorpious]

Is my hammering the only thing that made you go from this..

I also read town on Scorpius. I like the tenor of his posts so far, though I would like to hear more from him.

To this?

I'm at least ninety percent certain that .

*...Scorpius is scum.

[Scorpious]

At the time of that past, you had made 13 of your current 37 posts. Seems to me like that's enough time to change one's opinion.

I'm aware of the change of opinion..

I'm asking if my hammer was the only thing to change it.. Thank you Mage.. :/

[Scorpious]

Wow,you got all that off semantics? *slow clap*.

[Scorpious]

Good thing Dav flipped scum or I might have to defend myself about a hammer..

[Scorpious]

Good thing Dav flipped scum or I might have to defend myself about a hammer..

See this? Scorpious is literally using Davsto's flip as a justification for the hammer. A townie wouldn't have known how Dav would have flipped when hammering, and thus would have come up with some other justification before doing it. Scum wouldn't have to since they'd already know the flip.

I guess you don't understand sarcasm either :/

[Scorpious]

Semi weekend V/LA.. not totally gone but not making any promises on contributions..

[Scorpious]

ICE,Archamge,all Alone are my scum pool..

VOTE: ICENinja

Stating that you are going to vote me and nothing can change your mind.. not cool..

and since I don't feel like doing this whole thing again.. I'm a commuter..

[Scorpious]

ICE,Archamge,all Alone are my scum pool..

VOTE: ICENinja

Stating that you are going to vote me and nothing can change your mind.. not cool..

and since I don't feel like doing this whole thing again.. I'm a commuter..

Interesting. A difficult role to prove or disprove.

Do you have any other reason for suspecting ICE, All Alone and myself aside from OMGUS? I want to hear your thoughts on the previous lynch, as well as some expanded reasoning on your current scum and town reads.

you'll get it when I have time, just got back.

[Scorpious]

Scorp's claim is fake. Scum claims it all the time since a commuter will never be night killed, so it explains their lingering presence in the game. Also, in my 30ish games, I've seen zero legitimate commuters. They don't really fit in to mini games, PARTICULARLY ones that only have a single night kill faction.

Also, this is straight from the wiki:

Most Commuters cannot Commute each Night. Instead, they generally have Odd-Night or Even-Night modifiers attached.

A straight up commuter in a one-kill has just about zero chance of happening.

Unless we have someone who can support his claim, perhaps a vigilante who attempted to shoot him but failed, this is as good as a scum claim to me. WORST POSSIBLE unlikely case scenario, he's telling the truth, and he's a massive liability to town. He'll never be cleared, since a cop couldn't clear him, and he'll never be night killed, since scum couldn't kill him, AND he's currently voting

me

, so he'd be in lylo with town suspecting him and him not being able to actually read anyone.

Nah, lynch this guy. Dollars to donuts he's scum PR.

As for anyone's case on anyone else, my thoughts on it are irrelevant because we're lynching Scorpious today.

[Scorpious]

ICE is scum
All Alone is scum
Mage is scum

lynch away boys..

[Scorpious]

A good try by Scum.. "We can't kill him at night,so we gotta make sure he's lynched"

[Scorpious]

ok fine,that's my scum pool..

nope, I do not get the impression from my pm that I am restricted.

[Scorpious]

Add Archmage if Scorp ends up being town (

which will happen

).

fixed..

[Scorpious]

Alch
Garmr
3dice
Syndesis
Wanderer

[Scorpious]

Wanderer,I'm afraid my "ignoring you" is a result of me falling too far behind(work...school, all the typical excuses) I have like 25 minutes right now of unadulterated time, if you can put something together. I will respond..

[Scorpious]

RE: Wanderer

Scum reads:
ICE- just reminds me of someone I play with offsite. Tends to veil being scum with long winded posts that really don't say much other than re-iterate the same points over and over.. Somebody mentioned once IIOA or something.. I feel that is going on with ICE

Mage- Seems to me like he's so desperately trying to paint me as scum,however is doing it in a way that he can slide it off when I flip town,because he knows that I am in fact. Not mafia

All Alone- just lazy voting.. Told people to sheep Mage then flips to me with like 10 words..

And yes, All this ramped up after my claim as a NK immune townie..

[Scorpious]

I was suspicious of Mage early on,ICE to an extent as well.. All alone is probably based in a little omgus,but more so the sudden vote.

[Scorpious]

For the record, I've been on to Scorp since day 1. I didn't even really need to dig all that deep or do much in the way of extra work to come to the conclusion that he's scum after his early vote on Archmage.

you should do more work..

[Scorpious]

@Wanderer

726 by AA is pretty weak too..

[Scorpious]

@Mage

First off.. Well written. You're obviously educated. I like that.

Second,I hope you didnt put off anything important to write all that up. I'd hate to know you missed a test,or a kids soccer game,or yoga for something that is ultimately so wrong.

I almost feel bad that that I am not scum.

[Scorpious]

seriously just do it..use my flip for info.. I think I'm done..

[Scorpious]

Not discouraged really,just have to figure our how not to look like scum all the time.

[Scorpious]

I look forward to our next game together ICE.

[Scorpious]

I can't wait til I'm scum and have all this glorious meta .

[Scorpious]

Can you elaborate?

@Syn
Re;ICE
He's all in on me based on my "fake" claim. He's leaving himself an out so he can say something like. "Wow,That role is so uncommon. How was I supposed to know any better"?

Re: All Alone

The genral style is lazy. There is no thought progression on how they got to me.. Just a plop on the easy wagon. You can be lazy when you KNOW who town is..

[Scorpious]

@Scorpious; What about the fact ICE was in Davsto for most of D1, and was the first one to push him?

I don't know,could be a bus gone wrong,or just a sell-out. I was scum in a past game where my partner just sold me up the river on D1,and never looked back..

[Scorpious]

Now that's just making something that happened fit your read.

No... That's my thought process. If I'm going to answer questions,I'm going to do it my way,not in a way to appease anyone. Did I say this is exactly what happened? Nope..

Did I address the point as a possibility.. Yes. Don't misrep me.. Thank you

[Scorpious]

Since Scorpious is no longer at L-1:

VOTE: Scorpious

yeah,cause I act so differently at L-1...

[Scorpious]

Yeah, maybe I'm wifoming this too hard, but unlimited commuter seems like a really out-there claim

in general

. Enough that I'm kind of hesitant about this lynch.

Scorpious has claimed "2-shot weak doctor" as scum in a mini normal. I feel like he's the type to make outlandish fakeclaims that draw exactly this sort of reaction.

I was proud of that one.. Almost had them too..

If you would read more you would see how sold out I was by my scum partner

[Scorpious]

might be a little more v/la ish this eekend.. moving

[Scorpious]

@Scorpious - Can you post a final reads list?

On the off chance he flips town, a reads list could be useful.

I'm fine with hammer.

nah,I tried..I'm just back from V/LA. IT will give me more opportunity to catch up in my other games..

Good luck town..You'll need it :/

[Scorpious]

told you I feel and am pretty sure scum is within ICE,Mage,and All alone..

[Scorpious]

Scorp isn't doing much, Archmage is the one who asked for time to catch up and now has.

Go for it Synd.

[Scorpious]

And now it's time for the big reveal!!!

Spoiler:

Nope!!! PM still says town..