Mini 1737: Bringer Mafia [Mafia Win]

[RadiantCowbells]

/confirm

I was disappointed by the lack of fudge brownies.

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VOTE: Accountant

She took 3 days to lynch last game, let's get this started now.

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I like my RVS vote atm.

PS : I'm sorry for my English , As I'm not one ...

I'm sorry for my fake boobs.

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CV

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Yes, I think Accountant's antitown=scum pushing is absolute nonsense and she's as fake as her gender.

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if you are scum again I will bus you

fixed that for you.

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K Vedith I'm going to need you to provide an example of a game where you're scum.

asap

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No, Accountant is actually a girl masquerading as a guy masquerading as a girl. She said she was a guy so person(s) would stop calling her cute.

can confirm.

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Alright this is literally confirmed scum.

VOTE: Fraggernaut

[RadiantCowbells]

Don't leave me hanging in a city so dead
help up so high on such a breakable thread
you were all the things I thought I knew
and I thought we could be

You were everything everything that I wanted
We were meant to be supposed to be but we lost it
All of my memories so close to me just fade away

All this time you were pretending
so much for my happy ending
so much for my happy ending

[RadiantCowbells]

Seriously 6 pages and this game is completely worthless.

Slandy really needs to start posting.

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Accountant, WTF is up with your antitown=scum shtick?

Like, even if you're way newer to mafia than I thought you were, you still have literally an entire game of precedent to suggest that someone being anti-town can be both town and useful.

You don't feel like scum so quit it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Avril Lavigne?



More like April Ravine.

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You heard me maggot.

Enjoy your lynch, scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

this is how the day 1 ends
too bad that you couldn't see
see the lynch that lynch could be
there is more than meets the eye
I see the scum that is inside
he's just a scum
and I'm just a town
can I make it any more obvious

Then replace out if you don't like it.

And let you live? please.

[RadiantCowbells]

well they say the skys the limit
And to me thats really true
But my friend you have seen nothing
Just wait until I get through

Because I'm bad

[RadiantCowbells]

#RC hype train

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That's really all you have to add, Patient?

I would love to hear their case & logic (If there is any) behind why I'm "literally confirmed scum" when they've yet to answer the question I've posed towards them. This should be pretty good with how wrong they are.

Why would I care what questions scum ask me?

[RadiantCowbells]

You shouldn't townread me this early in a game.

You may live to regret it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Good.

*inhales*

It would be unfortunate if I had to destroy you.

*exhales*

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Join me, and together, we can rule this galaxy as father and son.

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I honestly don't understand what's with this whole pocket thing.

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Also Radiant good luck getting me lynched

So you're neither saying that you're town nor that I'm scum for pushing on you.

Good to know!

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Aww you're salty, how adorable.

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Fragger, one question.

What is your read on Accountant and why?

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I'm saying nothing until I get a response.

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Hey Fragger, you literally just said you wanted people to engage with you. I'm engaging with you.

What is your read on Accountant and why?

[RadiantCowbells]

You seem to be frustrated & are now trying to backpeddle slowly off this wagon to save face. You've been reaching for quite a bit of this game. I've gave you real information,

you just are so close minded that you can't read between the lines or just plain out refuse to even attempt to see my view of logic.

You can talk to me all you want. I've answered questions you've posed. Seems pretty counter-productive not to want to

talk to other town

.

These statements both underline the fact that Fraggernaut is townreading Accountant.

Fraggernaut instead claimed to scumread her, most likely because he expected that I'd be interested in pushing a wagon there.

This is scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

And see guys, that's how you ask a fucking question.

you dont fucking pile on with a ton of non alignment indicative nonsense and do fucking nothing with it

learn something today.

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Because I said town would want to talk to other town which only benefits my win-con as town? Since Accountant clearly stated she was done talking about it; she doesn't want to talk to me (town) which makes her scum. Nice try at spinning it though Radiant. Anything else you want to try to mis-rep?

Calling yourself other town means you're other than someone, in this context Accountant. You slipped, your scumgame is awful, bye.

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It's funny because the worst vote on you was FrozenAngel's and she's the only person you didn't call out for it.

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Wow you're quite a donkey.

There's no need for this sort of personal attack even if you feel upset.

Whose upset? I'm actually pretty flabbergasted that someone with as many games played could be this bad at town. I don't buy it which can only mean that I was probably wrong on one between Bullet, All Alone & yourself. There's no way someone with this much experience is this bad as town. The world I'm living in has to be Radiant/Accountant with a outside of Bullet or All Alone.

I was pretty clearly referring to this post.

You throw out lots of big shit that you don't really understand.

[RadiantCowbells]

The vitriolic backlash against the Fragger wagon should stand as testament to the fact that he's scum.

stop being idiots and lynch him.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hmm. Feels a bit reachy.

Fraggernaut has been scum-reading nearly everyone interacting with him: from the people on his wagon, and the players town-reading him (suspecting being "pocketed"). This shouts paranoid-townie to me. For me he only wins scum-points for not engaging with players 'outside his focus'.

I fully agree he's scumreading everyone else that's reading him, however it should be evident that at that point he was townreading Accountant. Town!Fragger, even if paranoid about the wagon, would have diverted suspicion to one of the two people voting him that he was scumreading (All Alone / Bullet), which would have merited a townread; however he didn't and instead decided that he was willing to lean scum on Accountant because he assumed I was interested in pushing the wagon.

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Then continues posting rubbish until #224, asking him about Accountant. In general he’s just IIOAing.

This is flat out a lie.

I wonder if Bullet was scum trying to distance but then the wagon went farther than he wanted it to.

[RadiantCowbells]

Says the scum

The dead sea is the saltiest water body in the world
besides your tears.

RadiantCowbells' 'you-are-confirmed-scum-playstyle' is so far null to me - but if Fraggernaut did flip scum, based on results, then yes, RadiantCowbells truly is more likely to be "helpful"/town (with serious town-cred in the bank).

Have you read a single one of my scum games? I bus religiously. I got the cop inno lynched over me because I lynched both my partners the first two days.

This is how you lose.

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And yes, I know what IIOA is and I know that I have not engaged in any sort of speculation whatsoever.

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Exhaustive list of people cuter than Annie:

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I note that I may be blind but have not seen a crumb at all.

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It makes it so much better cause they actually think they're right.

This literally proves exactly what I was saying, thanks.

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I can't really get motivated to post anything when Accountant's basically taking the words out of my mouth.

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VOTE: PatientZer0

There's no way this is town right now.

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I'm also pretty sure the way he attacked the PatientZer0 wagon without really addressing any of the people makes Fragger scum as well, but I think that Patient scumflip confirms Fragger way harder than vice versa so this is what I'm going to vote today.

[RadiantCowbells]

Accountant's still town, FrozenAngel is probably town as well. Pretty sure AA is as well.

Bulletproof's readlist was weird as fuck and I get the definite impression that he's trying to keep all push options available.

Slandaar is usually fucking obvious town by this point and this game he's not, but I've actually never seen Slandy's scum game so I'm not sure whether I should be thinking about him yet.

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Bulletproof's case on me is basically a huge misrepresentation considering that I never IIOA'd and while I had a lot of non game related posts at the time I actually had quite a bit more content than most players, and his Fragger case is generic and just accuses him of AtEing and OMGUSing without explaining why either of them are scummy. Then the AA case basically says that he's town and then became scum for lurking and a vague reference to scum meta without (again) explaining why he's scum for it, and now AA has had a ton of content and he's still a scumread.

That's absolute shit.

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But yeah I'm sticking with PatientZer0 because I'm pretty damn sure they scum slipped.

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And I'd just like to call Accountant out for lying and saying that she's a he. I've seen the pictures, she's a girl.

Very confirmed.

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I agree with the first two, but your tells on vedith actually make me feel like you could be mafia trying to crap on vedith for reasons that are not valid enough.

I like 125, it's solid


Well i have read over and commented on what I thought to be worth anything, in the end I could maybe see accountant being mafia, but idk. I'm getting a stronger maf vibe from Bullet with his accusation of people being mafia because they have no content in what they were saying... which is very very hypocritical. VOTE: BulletNLynchproof

99 can be found here

As I have mentioned, he has posted not much of substance for the first half of the game. Then when i pointed it out, he starts participating in the game, actively engaging in Fragger's and Accountants posts. Though the fact that this was after the prompt made me feel like he could be scum and "covered his mistake" by starting to seemingly scumhunt. Null for now.

Basically BP calls Vedith scummy for lurking and less so because he picked up the alignment and then Patient calls him out for "crapping on vedith for reasons that are not valid enough" for calling him null for inactivity when Patient himself was up to this inactive, then calls BP out for "having no content in what they were saying" WHEN HE LITERALLY JUST ADDRESSED HIS CONTENT. There's also the huge defensiveness inherent in him calling out BP for pushing on Vedith for something he himself is doing.

It's like he had one response then changed shit but forgot to change the whole post.

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I'm also pretty sure the way

PatientZer0

attacked the

Fraggernau

t wagon without really addressing any of the people makes Fragger scum as well, but I think that Patient scumflip confirms Fragger way harder than vice versa so this is what I'm going to vote today.

[RadiantCowbells]

There is consensus on me wanting to eat oatmeal though.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, there is a consensus on Focus Blast's 70% accuracy being complete and utter cancer.

It makes me sick to my stomach.

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Like, I flat out will not use Mega Zam or MMY simply because I'm completely fucking fed up with games being thrown over stupid focus blast misses.

I want to run Victini just to Victory Star the accuracy up, christ.

I still want to lynch Fraggernaut. But if you people don't want to lynch Fragger(why?!), I think we should go for Blocky, Fuzzy(mayybe) or Slandaar.

I'm still fully down for a Slandaar lynch but I want to see what happens here.

I note that you did not express any support for a P0 lynch.

Wow, I got IIOA and shitposting messed up. I had been assuming they were the same, but the difference is that IIOA is talking facts about the game without analysis, while shitposting is posting non-game related stuff *cough song cough*

That entire post and that's what you chose to respond to?

Who/What is Focus Blast?

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/ ... ast_(move)

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Add a ) to the link.

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And I don't think that BlockyMan is scum, I think he's just incredibly salty town who is rattled over things that can't be discussed at this time.

Back pedaling faster then Michael Jackson in a thriller video.

Absolutely 0 backpedalling in that post, thank you very much.

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I'm also pretty sure the way

PatientZer0

attacked the

Fraggernau

t wagon without really addressing any of the people makes Fragger scum as well, but I think that Patient scumflip confirms Fragger way harder than vice versa so this is what I'm going to vote today.

I slept 0 hours because of my cough.

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We posted at the exact same time so I didn't get the option to change my post.

funny.

[RadiantCowbells]

That post is literally not about you at all.

And please don't fucking text and drive yo. Phone down and respond when you get back.

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I am scumreading Slandy actually, except for the fact that his opening post was incredibly towny.

But it's nowhere near as strong a wagon as P0 or yourself.

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He can try to make an opening post like that every game, but pulling something like that off casually isn't nearly as easy as it seems.

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I'm scumreading him but not sure if I should be thinking about lynching him right now, yes.

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I scumread him D1/D2 in the game with Titus's god tier throw but then he became obvious town D3.

I figure if Slandy's town it will become obvious at some point and I can lynch him later if that doesn't happen.

I'm not about to start pushing someone who is actually useful as town because they're lurking D1.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=62114

I note that I call it Titus's god tier throw because that's probably the easiest shorthand for it but that was loss was in a large part my fault for being antagonistic.

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Why don't you like it, BP?

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That quote reads null to me, especially when FRAGGERMAFIANAUT is still alive.

This implies that he's at least somewhat right that the quote is scummy.

Why is this the case?

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Eh, that's not wrong. If you're worried about how that reflects on my own alignment you can note that I said virtually the exact same thing in the Titus game.

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RadiantCowbells rides in on a wrecking-ball calling Fraggernaut "confirmed scum" for a post he didn't even understand (post 138). RadiantCowbells has nothing to stand on to call Fraggernaut "scum" out-right. Is this a reaction test, or a townie who has a disregard of the consequences of his actions? - we shall see. Well, this is where the Fraggernaut wagon begins, there were 8 other mini-wagons at this time. Everyone is so far buying RadiantCowbells vote as arrogance, and not a wagon they want to jump on.

You're a fucking nimrod.

Or maybe you're just scum trying to indirectly defend your buddy. Either way, you can fuck right off.

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

test

[RadiantCowbells]

Whether or not I am a "fucking nimrod" is insignificant for this game. You should only be concerned of my alignment. All this name-calling, song lyrics, and "confirmed scum" playstyle means nothing unless you get results.

Do you want to see results?

You'll see some fucking results, thanks.

[RadiantCowbells]

I already found scum you twat.

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Probably a town aligned twat but I'm not sorting you right now.

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I don't care what Soze likes, thanks.

I strongly disagree Accountant.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm surprised that after 1716 Vedith put me as his #1 townread.

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Well its just oposite of your approch so far. Is'nt it RC? what is different about Slandy from Frag and Patient ?

Slandaar is useful.

RC, why do you think PatientZer0 is scum?

Little has changed on this front.

His accusation that I'm being salty mirrors the same accusation I made regarding Blocky and I think he saw it and thought it was ridiculous towny and decided to emulate it without understanding the context behind it.

It's extremely weak when he does it.

What are your thoughts on All Alone and Frozen?

AA is still obvtown, I'm less sure about my Frozen read.

I hate all the Anakin Skywalker "in my view" crap from the last page and I'm pretty sure she's not a person who talks like that as town.

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Accountant's still town, FrozenAngel is probably town as well. Pretty sure AA is as well.

Bulletproof's readlist was weird as fuck and I get the definite impression that he's trying to keep all push options available.

Slandaar is usually fucking obvious town by this point and this game he's not, but I've actually never seen Slandy's scum game so I'm not sure whether I should be thinking about him yet.

so actually I did explicitly state it, funnily enough.

What if I didn't though?

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Holy fuck has anyone else noticed that in spite of BP claiming a scumread on Fragger ALL HE HAS DONE this game is make reachy pushes on every single person that's been pushing the wagon, aka myself, Accountant, and AA?

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Alright, you're off the hook for now Patient.

VOTE: BulletNLynchproof

I'm pretty sure that we've basically nailed the scumteam already and it's like a few days in.

[RadiantCowbells]

True that you're townreading that one person, but also true that you're taking an undue interest in the people on and around the Fraggernaut wagon while not pushing him even though he's your claimed scumread.

[RadiantCowbells]

Correct, you're failing to address Fraggernaut, one of your claimed "major scumreads", at all but have taken the time to sort and mostly scumread everyone on his wagon.

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Why is the the one you're selectively ignoring?

You're not pushing me but you're making really shitty efforts to call me out on stuff. Why aren't you doing the same for Fragger?

[RadiantCowbells]

Maybe you should have actually read either of my cases on P0 or BP&LP

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what the heck, Radiant isnt getting lynched anytime soon, might as well go with SR number 2. No one put him at L-1, its too early for that.
VOTE: BulletNLynchProof

I REALLY DONT LIKE HOW RADIANT HOPPED ON THE BIGGEST WAGON, AND I REEEEALLY WANT RADIANT GONE

I'm willing to policy lynch this slot fwiw.

[RadiantCowbells]

Friends can vote friends, yo.

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Accountant, if you're going to pretend to be a guy you could at least change your pronoun.

[RadiantCowbells]

Annie

Wait, what?

[RadiantCowbells]

aka, my old avatar.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yu ansa tha shet cahfuhry or I'll fokin rek u m8 i sware on me mum

[RadiantCowbells]

We need more Annie fan art, thanks.

[RadiantCowbells]

I note the complete absence of annie Annie fan art and will start being very upset soon.

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Also I'd like to point out that most of the people voting me don't post Annie fan art. I think there is probably one scum in the non-fan art posters voting me. There HAS to be something up with that.

Do you have no desire in explaining your town/scum reads with any coherence or reason?

I gave a reason for Zero scum read.
The question you asked is "what made them town?".
I think that you need to realise that nothing made them town, but I decided that the other 3 were scum.
Am I wrong? Maybe

Regardless, I'm going with that for now.

If 'not posting Annie fan art made them town', which pile are they in then now? Scum-lean, null-scum-lean, null?

TheFuzzylogic99
Slandaar
BulletNLynchproof

OK, you are scum-reading PatientZer0 based on the fact he is posting Annie fan art the same way he posted Annie fan art in a previous game where you were town and he was scum (?)... you are scum-reading Fraggernaut because you think he is buddying up to you to help you post Annie fan art (?)...

Tell me more about BlockyMan.

Will post actual Annie fan art later.

[RadiantCowbells]

Or we could all post Annie fan art.

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Or some Majora's Mask fan art.

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I'm not really feeling the Bulletproof lynch anymore.

Still really want to do VOTE: PatientZer0

[RadiantCowbells]

fuck off mate.

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AA is town and that's an awful wagon, fyi.

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No, this is P0 seeing Vedith as an easy target and acting appropriately.

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K, so this is why when someone "softs a PR" you don't just completely derp scatter onto crap wagons.

It's really unfathomably insane the silly scattershot mentality whereby everyone just vanished, and started pushing on me/Accountant/AA no less because we weren't stupid enough to fall for awful scum play.

we lynch patientzer0 tomorrow. if he's not already your first choice you shouldn't be trying to help town decide.

VOTE: Fraggernaut
also, FA could easily be scum. she's been weird as hell today.

[RadiantCowbells]

I have no particular interest in lynching Vedith, besides to try to preserve my sanity.

Show me where I retracted it.

UNVOTE: Fragger

Oh, that's interesting. So are you in fact a cop?

[RadiantCowbells]

What about the fact that Expedience never said anything when we were at the point of massclaiming then he gets revealed by Blocky and doesn't really say anything about it?

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Expedience could easily be a scum PR, probably roleblocker because he would have known that Vedith is bullshitting about the guilty, and I get a feeling that he is.

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Why are you crying that things are unlikely but not fucking claiming anything.

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fuck it, I hope fragger turns town so we can kill Vedith VOTE: Fragger

hammering someone while saying you hpoe they'll turn town, then setting up another lynch.

right.

[RadiantCowbells]

Fragger presumably, considering you just hammered him?

[RadiantCowbells]

You know I get a sick feeling that P0 knows that this flip is town.

If it does end up flipping town, we are literally fucking jamming a lynch so far down his ass that he'll be able to taste rope.

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Dude. FRAGGER HASN'T FLIPPED.

Why the fuck are you talking like he's confirmed town?

[RadiantCowbells]

Jesus christ why are you alive.

[RadiantCowbells]

You know I really wish FA wasn't obvious town because I wan to lynch her so fucking badly right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

I get the feeling based on P0's reaction that this was town.

I'm starting to see why the lynch all liars mantra which I never espoused has its value.

A game of mafia with 13 people who play like me or like Vedith would be absolute cancer.

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Neither Expedience nor Blocky are proven town.

In fact, I'm pretty damn sure one of them is town, probably Expedience because I don't at all see Blocky just flinging out his visit for no reason.

[RadiantCowbells]

only one*

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I do not at all find it likely that it was an exaggerated attempt to clear the players because we still have several nights to go and there's very little chance that suspicion would not be aroused by neither claimed PR being offed.

[RadiantCowbells]

God fucking damnit you are probably right. If fragger turns town then who the fuck is the mafia......
Expedience=proven
blocky=proven
vedith=proven

Rc
FA
Soze
Accountant
errant
AA
Can anybody else find a reason for somebody else to be proven? Unless they are the mafia squad which isn't going to happen.

fake.

[RadiantCowbells]

Mafia could have watcher in a setup with a doc, easily, or Blocky could in fact have been a tracker.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah like Expedience's claim just becomes more and more absurd.

1) He claimed JOAT with a cop shot and believed that Vedith could be cop.
2) He claimed to have docced Accountant the night after he got a cop inno on someone else, as opposed to doccing either his cop inno or the claimed PR.
3) He's claiming to have a doc shot when there's already a flipped doctor.
4) There are 4 confirmed FULL PRs in the setup, and Expedience is claiming JOAT on top of that. That would make for 5 full PRs.

The nail on the coffin is that when Blocky outed him he barely reacted. A real town PR would be hella pissed off by that, not just brushing it off like he hopes that it gets forgotten.

P0 could still easily be scum but today we're lynching this.

VOTE: Expedience

[RadiantCowbells]

thats make no sense...

Why you claimed that specific time last day?
when we already had a lynch?

And sir why you didn't use your vig shot last night to prove your a JOAT ?

JOATs don't always have a vig shot, that's just one of the common designs.

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And yeah, there's no way that there's 5 town PRs in the setup.

I was leaning towards Blocky being the scum but with him flipped I'm pretty close to positive that Expedience is scum here.

wow, is this after you find vedith not guilty? when you believe he is actually town?

guys we have a scum here!

Yeah, I can't imagine a cop being so vague about someone that they have an inno on.

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Like, the one thing I can't understand is how none of his teammates thought to point out that claiming doc with one flipped is a fucking horrible move.

What? There are 3 confirmed PRs, I'm claiming the fourth...

This is correct, but it doesn't incline me to believe the claim any more.

I was a bit upset that he revealed me, but I'm not the type of person who shows their anger.

Upset at scum? Upset implies that he's town who did you wrong, not scum playing to their win condition.

Because they wouldn't kill one of their own. I believed Blocky was scum.

You thought scum watcher publicly outed your identity and you weren't moved to say anything about it yesterday?

[RadiantCowbells]

In fact I can't stop getting caught up on this.

Why would neither of his partners tell him to fucking claim anything BESIDES the PR that's already flipped.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think I actually still want to do Patient today, but the Expedience push onto Patient goes way back and I'm getting cold feet about it.

I can definitely see EP as scum because of how he was pushing us away from Expedience in such an indirect way but idk because even though he was lurking I largely townread him earlier in the game.

FA, why do you specifically think that Keyser is scum as opposed to just being bad town who helped scum?

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Also, great Expedience wagon <3

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh and this is being crossposted but this is the first I've seen of it and it's fucking awesome.

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Dude the lyrics are fucking legit, the Voldemort is god tier, and the trumpet HP theme just carries the whole goddamn song.

[RadiantCowbells]

They're supposed to be, it's harry potter.

What are you expecting?

[RadiantCowbells]

I notice that Keyster didn't address any of my points to him in #1191

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright fuck it I need to reread because I have no idea what I want to do atm.

[RadiantCowbells]

Holy shit dude yeah this is scum.

VOTE: ErrantParabola

[RadiantCowbells]

Could you explain Angel? And is there anything else about All Alone other than meta that justifies him as scum?

I can indeed.

I can't think of a good reason for a townie not to RVS but I can think of a good reason for scum to do so.

It sounds to have some kind of paradox?

PS : I'm sorry for my English , As I'm not one ...

I found this to be very good and observant.

Regarding All Alone: No.

This is the first and only time he talks with EP, and all he does is agree to explain his scumread on FA, which he never does. He also switches that over to a townread, also with no explanation besides the fact that the gamestate shifted (this is about when I figured out that FA was town.)

Then after the expedience switch in, he makes a huge wall and all has has to say about EP is this.

Errantparabola slid under my radar a bit while I was reading the thread. His few posts give me town feelings.

He never addresses him again, and just continues to push onto Patientzero.

I note that the PatientZero push from Expedience occurs over a period of several days and is very mutual in a way that makes me think that it was not a bus and PatientZero is probably town.

If anything is an attempt at misdirection it's the "docced Accountant" thing because I can't see why he'd claim doc like that unless he was planning to be lynched. After that quickhammer charade plus the fact that I get the feeling that Expedience was expecting to be lynched there I could see Accountant being scum here as well. But EP is definitely scum so we'll do that first.

From EP's side, when we're discussing Blocky and Expedience he says

Why are we lynching inside the PR pool

which considering that scum were planning to NK Blocky at this point is probably a calculated push to make sure pressure doesn't go on Expedience, especially considering that this is about when I was starting to get suspicious of the massive amount of full PRs.

Hold up. I just missed a whole day.
Catch up when i get home in about two hours.

And yeah, this is all he said yesterday. Just made a token effort to say hold up and stall out the game.

I'm pretty sure my vote doesn't change here, last scum is probably Keyser but I could definitely see Accountant being scum here.

[RadiantCowbells]

I do note that Accountant was pushing the lynch in the direction of EP though.

[RadiantCowbells]

I also don't see Accountant being so flagrantly stupid as to leave me alive to this late in the game.

Yeah, pretty sure we're looking at EP/Keyser here, particularly considering he's going into some nonsense VCA and trying to revive the P0 wagon.

[RadiantCowbells]

As I said its a very important vote today. I won't join in era wagon when he might just be an inactive fellow. I have my stronger reads.

Did you fucking not even read 1203? No one's voting EP because he's lurking, we're voting him because he has associatives out the ass and he's scummy as all shit.

[RadiantCowbells]

Dude, FA, what are telling me to listen about?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, EP is basically confirmed scum at this point.

You want to wait for him to claim or post or do whatever fine, no one's making you vote, but there's absolutely no reason for us not to put him to L-1 right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean am I literally 100% beyond a doubt mod informed sure that the guy's scum? no.

But like he's fucking scum. I'll literally fucking mail you a ham sandwich if I'm wrong here.

[RadiantCowbells]

No one's rushing you, FYI.

If you want to try to get something out of EP I can wait.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, that's not what intent to hammer means FYI.

Intent to hammers means that you're going to hammer and you're waiting to see if someone has any claims to make that are relevant.

I'm pretty much done case building at this point, so we can chill out till EP shows up.

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually, I'm probably the designated NK so I want to think this through a bit more.

VOTE: Unvote

No lyncheroonies yet.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah whatever.

VOTE: EP

Lynch Keyser tomorrow and if it's not him hit up Accountant. I'm pretty close to positive that P0 is town at this point.

I really don't see P0 as scum reacting so viscerally to a bus by his partner, I'd expect him to be way more subdued in his reaction and I just generally don't get the feeling from either of their play that it was a bus.

FA/P0 town you can take it to the bank.

[RadiantCowbells]

Keyser/Accountant in that order please.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hi, Shiro!

I'm thinking this is Accountant here since he's been powerlynching and his reads are super static but I'm not really sure about the P0 now Shiro slot either.

What are your reads here?

[RadiantCowbells]

Just curious, FA, what do you think?

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean, the fact that neither Shiro nor FA has voted Keyser to start a quick hammer with both of them there is pretty reassuring that this isn't town on town.

I'm going to reread both slots again and we'll figure this out.

[RadiantCowbells]

Uh, I'm scumreading Accountant because of a few things.

1) He strikes me as the type to be sufficiently ego driven to have left me alive to get one over on me for beating him in our last game together.
2) He's been like super fast rushing the lynches. This one's no exception.
3) His hammer on the last scum to have flipped was absolutely bizarre.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, you're confirmed as not being scum with Shiro because if you were and you voted Keyser your partner would be able to instantly hammer for a scum win.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, that Accountant vote actually cleaned things up quite a bit.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well no, because one of those partners in those pairings could vote and their partner would quickhammer.

And no one seems to be motioning nor does the direction of conversation seem to indicate a quickhammer is imminent.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean myself, you, and Shiro are all here.

So if there wasn't scum between Keyser and Accountant there would have been a quickhammer already.

So I'm pretty happy with this.

VOTE: Keyser Soze

[RadiantCowbells]

Both of them, most likely.

I smell a bus.

[RadiantCowbells]

I note that Shiro didn't hammer here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Last LyLo I played with Accountant he basically did the same thing.

I have a good feeling.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean think about it this way.

The other option is that FA is scum with Accountant, considering you just confirmed yourself as not scumpartnered with anyone besides Keyser.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well, FA didn't quickhammer either so there we have it!

Confirmed scum time!

[qutoe]so I'm asking as a newbie if someone just vote right now the game is finished even if someone unvote afterward?

if that's true I don't see why accou voted someone if she knew a 2-scum team just can hammer her target[/quote]

Hypothetically, if Keyser was town and got lynched the game would be over, yes.

Unless there's only 1 scum remaining or town has some sort of PR that can win the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Those quote tags though.

[RadiantCowbells]

I answered your question, yo.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not even sure what your question is.

Yes, lynch mechanics dictate that if 3 votes were on someone at 5 way LyLo they would be lynched.

If they were town, the game would be over.

Since when can people unvote after a hammer is finalized?

[RadiantCowbells]

Keyser, the only way that you could be town would require me and Accountant to both be scum, fyi, given that neither other party quickhammered.

[RadiantCowbells]

FA, you could at least give intent to hammer.

Unless you're actually scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

In what way could my questions be construed as leading?

I'm still pretty confident this flips scum tbh just because I've been pretty sure FA is town but I'm not sure what's up.

[RadiantCowbells]

A shrub?

[RadiantCowbells]

Well geez are you a fern?

[RadiantCowbells]

yes please!

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll boil the kettle and make tea.

[RadiantCowbells]

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh, yeah.

I can see how you'd think that.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well-played mafia. Deserved winners.

If you're not scum, who do you think the scum are?

[RadiantCowbells]

Shiro, would you hate me and get rid of your Annie avi if I was mafia here?

[RadiantCowbells]

Thanks!

Sorry that you didn't get to do much for town, but like you said I'm fairly sure that by the point you replaced in both myself and FA were both 1) scum and 2) widely regarded as town.

Thanks for doing the otherwise thankless task of replacing into a game that was already swung very far in scum's favour and making your best efforts!

Always great playing with you.

Same goes to everyone else! Especially FA and Expedience my partners, you were both absolutely fantastic out there and even though we lynched you Expedience you made the bus look fantastic and gave us both boatloads of towncred.

Sorry 4 scum bum though

[RadiantCowbells]

No, Accountant girl can confirm.

[RadiantCowbells]

You still trust me after all the lying I did in this game?

:O

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, this setup is theoretically pretty town sided.

[RadiantCowbells]

Annie. Annie. Annie. Annie. Annie.
Annie. Annie. Annie. Annie. Annie.
Annie. Annie. Annie. Annie. Annie.
Annie. Annie. Annie. Annie. Annie.
Annie. Annie. Annie. Annie. Annie.