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Frozen Angel · Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:38 pm

In post 1530, Titus wrote:Don't give a shit. The fakeclaiming is distracting.

Frozen Angel · Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:38 pm

In post 1536, Titus wrote:Don't care if FA dies.

Frozen Angel · Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:41 pm

In post 1551, RadiantCowbells wrote:Well, the truth is that if you're NOT about to claim cop I'd autolynch you for instantly knowing that my claim is fake.

I knew your claim was fake. And No I'm not about to claim something I'm not.

Frozen Angel · Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:41 pm

I'm something else.

and its really easy to calculate

Frozen Angel · Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:48 pm

In post 1555, RadiantCowbells wrote:If it's so easy to calculate maybe scum are many smarters than me and have already figured it out.

I won't explain my role and help the scum role fishing by my claim.

I have information about your role. That's the reason I'm refusing to hard claim.

I won't hint about it anymore. and I will sincerely refuse to talk about it from now on.

Frozen Angel · Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:48 pm

In post 1556, RadiantCowbells wrote:I must note however, FA, that your writing has improved significantly since you arrived to site.

English?

Frozen Angel · Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:54 pm

In post 1560, Titus wrote:
In post 1549, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 1530, Titus wrote:Don't give a shit. The fakeclaiming is distracting.

You want to help, find a reaction today other than guilties on me to engage on.

why should I exclude you?

Frozen Angel · Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:59 pm

In post 1562, RadiantCowbells wrote:So you're claiming neapolitan?

or not. I said I won't talk about it anymore.

RadiantCowbells wrote:I mean, role cop would have no way of knowing that I'm town.

Unless you're claiming role cop and you just didn't realize I could be nilla maf as well?

I said I don't know your town. check my ISO ...

Frozen Angel · Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:02 pm

In post 1567, Titus wrote:
In post 1565, RadiantCowbells wrote:Okay, I'm taking that as a role cop claim and will leave you alone now.

These last few posts are blatant rolefishing and terrible.

+

Acryon - RC are my top scum reads atm.

Frozen Angel · Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:02 pm

In post 1584, RadiantCowbells wrote:Whatevs.

I'm ascetic.

FA can't have a report on me.

Her entire everything is bunk.

She's scum.

VOTE: FA

why you fucking role claimed.........

whyyyyyy

I was trying to avoid this. I WAS REALLY TRYING TO AVOID A ROLE CLAIM BECAUSE OF MY STUPID MISTAKE.

I'm a vanilla town. I already said all my results because I have none. I knew you were acting base on my meta read on you. I was drunk when I soft claimed. I LITERALLY screwed up everything in this game.

You have every right to lynch me atm.I'm really sorry town.

Frozen Angel · Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:03 pm

I will self hammer

Frozen Angel · Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:05 pm

and cry for the rest of the day ...

Frozen Angel · Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:09 pm

because you were trying to solve me out. I really couldn't see a town motivation for that

Frozen Angel · Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:09 pm

In post 1601, RolePlay25 wrote:So um

If you are town

I want to know why anyone was complaining my play was anti-town on day 1.

Like apparently the level of town play around here involves setting yourself on fire and running in a giant circle

yeah I totally screwed up today

in VERY HIGH LEVEL.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 12:55 am

In post 1609, acryon wrote:their mother

are you insulting?

Because I feel insulted.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:01 am

In post 1609, acryon wrote:everyone and their mother are fake-claiming as town

when we bring our mothers in sentense when we want to insult people ...

like "you and your mother are both dumb" and sentences like that

forget it. cultural differences...

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:03 am

In post 1618, RadiantCowbells wrote:hey hey frozen angel

your mom.

my mom what?

pedit : about what?!!

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:11 am

In post 1184, RadiantCowbells wrote:Cop here, guilty Titus.

I considered trying to push it without claiming but I feel like there's no way that's going to happen with how consistently people ignore my reads, so there you have it.

In post 1186, RadiantCowbells wrote:Sorry.

Night game lynches always suck.

In post 1188, RadiantCowbells wrote:Goodbye <3

In post 1189, RadiantCowbells wrote:Also, did you seriously describe my hammer as "creepy"?

That's awesome.

In post 1190, RadiantCowbells wrote:No one is to L-1 Titus and enable her selfhammer until I have shared the rest of my reads.

In post 1191, RadiantCowbells wrote:No, like legit.

Anyone who places an L-1 is going to be instalynched tomorrow.

In post 1193, RadiantCowbells wrote:Are you expecting a response to that?

In post 1195, RadiantCowbells wrote:I mean, let's say that I WAS reaction testing, which Titus's terrible rxn proves otherwise.

Why would I admit it already before I got any of the reactions I was testing for?

Seems kind of counter productive.

I looked at your claim just about 30 minutes or something.

By my knowledge about how your playing as scum I knew its not it at all. But there was a kind of dishonesty triggering me off. Specially the post you requested for not putting her in L1. that was really odd. I never saw you sharing a wall post - like ever. you requested time for that?

and I couldn't beleive you as cop would have gone on titus last day when there was so many better options for investigate.

and I couldn't believe there is a cop - roleblocker - doctor in town side. What could have been in the mafia side to balance this?

so I tried to test you for that.

and your answer confirmed that your town in my mind. so I trusted you with voting titus.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:16 am

acryon was triggering me down whole daylong. he reminds me of Sir bastion in this game : http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=63853

about Titus I really think she couldn't really do anything to defend against your cop claim. seems like a desperate town trying to reason you about the consciousness of your action.

RP is townish based on his reaction to people who wanted me to Hard claim.

Cow is slight scum lean because of his shadowing atm. he wants to test town temper and decide what to do based on that.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:25 am

I'll wagon with RC.

not because he is threatening me.

But because he is my strongest town read atm

UNVOTE: Acryon

tell me more about Titus.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:32 am

Unofficial vote count. I think we need it :

RadiantCowbells - Titus, golden
Frozen Angel - acryon , bji
RolePlay - malakittens
bji - TheCow
golden009 - MarioManiac
Titus - RadiantCowbell

Not Voting: Diego1487 , RolePlay

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 2:33 am

I don't mind to put pressure on Titus.

VOTE: Titus

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:29 am

In post 1675, acryon wrote:Because frankly it was a very stupid thing to do and its hard to believe two people would do something so stupid and anti-town consecutively. I would rather believe one of you is scum than believe my town has two people in it willing to do that (in which case we are screwed anyway).

I admitted my mistake. I know I did a mistake. the thing your suggesting is a policy lynch (screwed anyway) .

But I'm town. a Frustrated town who doesn't know what else she can do atm.

pedit : my town flip will bring what massive value?

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:38 am

And I'm like 100% convinced about RC being town atm.

I'm like the easiest mislynch who can happen here.

that being said. I'm kind of eager to point acryon as a possible scum. I don't know why RC is town reading him constantly.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:46 am

I WAS DRUNK

I do that only about two or three times a year. and I'm really ashamed of it atm...

I think I did that to take the bullet at night or something ... when I saw my posts later tomorrow my face got black like raspberries. I knew I screwed up this game. And I already said sorry

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:49 am

In post 1695, acryon wrote:Sorry that question was actually directed at FA.

I answered it

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:54 am

In post 1699, acryon wrote:I don't buy this. Your thoughts and posts were very similar in coherence to the rest of the game. And if you drink and play mafia to the point that you are fakeclaiming roles, you should stop doing that because it's an actual detriment to the game.

I'm town regardless what you think about the fake claim. and that's the definition of a policy lynch. and in this case will lead to a mis lynch.

I wan't that drunk to misbehave :/ I was enough drunk to do a shitty fake claim without thinking it through ...

and I already said sorry. If your town I need to accept my apology. I'm kind of in a massive pain atm.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 3:57 am

In post 1701, Titus wrote:Not even. That would be me.

I am not eager to point out scum.

Can someone be town and post in this shitshow? I got two townreads. Need like 5.

what do you think about me?

I think RC is town regardless of your alignment. I think RP is town regardless of both alignments. and I have a very bad feeling about acryon.

what are your reads titus?

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:08 am

In post 1707, acryon wrote:How is this the definition of a policy lynch? The only way it's a policy lynch is that it's my policy to lynch the player most likely to flip scum. If you're town, then I accept your apology but hope you won't do it again. Although I don't think you're town so the apology doesn't mean anything.

The only reason for lynching me was the lie.

policy lynch : A Policy Lynch is one that is done for arbitrary reasons.Most commonly, it describes the lynch of a player who is not found to be particularly scummy, but because the player's bad play will hurt the town later on.

Lynch All Liars is a longstanding mantra in the mafiascum.net community. Quite simply, most Townies have no reason to lie about their actions, motivations, or roles.

this is not why your voting me atm?

and I'm town. and I'm sorry from all the town for what I did.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:13 am

In post 1718, acryon wrote:How is that the only reason for lynching you? My vote was on you for most of yesterday, and you have just looked even worse today. When did I ever say I was lynching you based on LaL?

I don't care. all your reasons are bullshit.

last day you wanted to lynch me because RP tunneled me. was there another reason?

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:17 am

In post 1724, acryon wrote:
In post 1722, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 1718, acryon wrote:How is that the only reason for lynching you? My vote was on you for most of yesterday, and you have just looked even worse today. When did I ever say I was lynching you based on LaL?

I don't care. all your reasons are bullshit.

last day you wanted to lynch me because RP tunneled me. was there another reason?

That and you've done nothing but make things more confusing for town, your fakeclaim being the cherry on top. Townies don't make things confusing for town.

@Titus: Join me on FA?

so your two reasons are these :

1 - Rp tunneled me yesterday
2 - my fake claim confused town (translate : I lied ) (translate : policy lynch)

You know ? You even convinced me with that logic.

GET OVER YOURSELF

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:25 am

In post 1725, Frozen Angel wrote:1 - Rp tunneled me yesterday

RC is tunneling titus right now. This proves titus is scum?

I really can't see why RC is town reading you atm.

RC I NEED AN ANSWER

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:29 am

In post 1727, Titus wrote:this problem

what problem?!

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:33 am

In post 1729, Titus wrote:Fake claiming, gambiting, obstructionism

1st : I already said i'm sorry for fake claim

2nd : gambiting ? excuse me?!

3rd : what obstructionism?!!! what the hell are you talking about?!!!

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:36 am

In post 1731, Titus wrote:Fake claiming is a gambit. The fact you didn't know this or where you were going makes it worse. The fake claims obstruct natural scum hunting and are obstructionist.

I wasn't thinking it through because I was drunk.

This all are about the fake claim -> my lie -> your suggesting my policy lynch.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:49 am

whats your case on bji ?

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 4:49 am

and what do you think about acryon?

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:38 am

If I'm going to be lynched today that's fine ... But at least confess its a policy lynch. because its not something else. A policy lynch which will lead to a mis lynch.

@MM I never claimed anything anywhere. I was trying to avoid a role claim and take the night bullet. RC claim just destroyed it. THERE WAS NO TURNING BACK FROM THAT FAKE SOFT CLAIM.

I never used my fake claim to town read RC. I mean I did but I took it back the next morning

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:48 am

In post 1745, MarioManiac4 wrote:FA.
There was turning back.
You managed to turn back after it was proven you had the report. You could have said ANYTHING. ANYTHING would have been better than misleading the town. You could have called it a reaction test (lying is bad but that doesn't give false information) , you could have admitted you used your scumhunting to find he was town.
Your play here rings of Fraggernaut in Bringer Mafia.
let's see what was said there, can't remember.

BUT I couldn't. I refused to hard claim or doing anything to mislead the town. I said just move on but they focused. What could I have done? saying it was a reaction testing? I was doomed and it was a clear lie!

And no. my soft claim wasn't intentional. don't even compare me to that

I decided to stop talking about it until its necessary to avoid a hard claim. Which unlucky me , RC claimed the only one thing who could screw it up ...

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:49 am

I did a mistake here and I accept that.

He did a mistake there and yeah he doomed the town.

I think I did that as well and the only fu... thing to say atm is Sorry.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:54 am

Stop making a relation between me and RC lynches.

we are two different separate people and there is no guarantee to find scum between us based on LAL. The probability thing your bringing up is completely flawed

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:59 am

In post 1754, acryon wrote:
In post 1753, Frozen Angel wrote:Stop making a relation between me and RC lynches.

we are two different separate people and there is no guarantee to find scum between us based on LAL. The probability thing your bringing up is completely flawed

I am not basing it on LAL, and I am not saying there is a guarantee. What I am saying is that it is incredibly likely that one of you is scum. And the way you acted during and following your claim with the unclaim and everything just looked much worse. Additionally, I think an alive-RC makes things less confusing than an alive-FA.

In post 1725, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 1724, acryon wrote:
In post 1722, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 1718, acryon wrote:How is that the only reason for lynching you? My vote was on you for most of yesterday, and you have just looked even worse today. When did I ever say I was lynching you based on LaL?

I don't care. all your reasons are bullshit.

last day you wanted to lynch me because RP tunneled me. was there another reason?

That and you've done nothing but make things more confusing for town, your fakeclaim being the cherry on top. Townies don't make things confusing for town.

@Titus: Join me on FA?

so your two reasons are these :

1 - Rp tunneled me yesterday
2 - my fake claim confused town (translate : I lied ) (translate : policy lynch)

You know ? You even convinced me with that logic.

GET OVER YOURSELF

ITS NOT INCREDIBLY LIKELY. its just as probable as for any other two pairs.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:06 am

In post 1756, acryon wrote:
In post 1755, Frozen Angel wrote:
ITS NOT INCREDIBLY LIKELY. its just as probable as for any other two pairs.

It is not. If we are looking at just the set of people we have with 0 information, then of course it's the same, but this isn't just a statistic game and you know that. You have both done things that are actively anti-town, but your responses in general have been worse and there is less damage if we are wrong about you, so it goes to you.

This is scum. VOTE: Acryon

I really can't see you as town. your reason for this is "WE have no information about others so scum must be between you two"

Whats the meaning of scum hunting then?

why my response in general was been worse? why you think lynching someone you say its a probable mis lynch is "less damage" and therefor justified?

if you want to lynch me you need better reasons than those two you already provided. the fact you can't even think about finding scum and just want to lynch between me and RC is another thing I must add to your scum case.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:16 am

- you said its not a static game and you have less information about others so you think one of us must be scum because of that. You said its very very likely.

although I agree with the first part but its not town motivated to just accept that the slots you have more information about are more likly scum. I might be a littel overreacting becuase I know I'm not scum and I'm town reading RC. I don't know.

- But you never provided proof about it. LAL and RP tunnel are your reasons. first is suggesting a policy lynch , second is absurd so you have nothing make me a probable scum lynch.

- No I'm not kidding. your not scum hunting. you never did in this whole damn game. your talking about probabilities and right choices based on the information everyone else brings for you. your distanced and your just assuming things the way you want them too.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:19 am

Do you have any other reason beside those two?

and whats your current read on RP ?

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:19 am

and no you never answered anything EVER

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:22 am

@MM I just forgot one of my reasons : If I hard claimed immediately (being a VT) I was the dead body of lylo. best option for me was the night kill.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:25 am

I can't stay being ignored. YOUR TORTURING ME. I never repeated anything. YOU never answered it. Your RP tunnel reason is based on scum reading RP. my lie is no alignment indicative. do you have anything make ma probable scum? Because I'm not scum and I really have no idea what the hell are you implying here.

although I'm sure your scum atm.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:29 am

In post 1766, acryon wrote:Like I said before FA, I simply can't accept that you softclaimed because you were drunk. If that were true, then it's essentially you playing against your wincon (sober or not) and this game is screwed anyway. So my only choice is to ignore that point on principle, and move forward with what we have, which I believe points to you being scum.

THE FU.. THIS IS POLICY LYNCHING. I really don't care to be lynched today because I screwed it up. BUT I'm concerned why your not calling it a policy lynch.

I DID SOMETHING THAT I'M ASHAMED OF RIGHT NOW. you want to do your shit? do it! I really don't care.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:32 am

CRAP

I told town a lie. your simply lynching me because I lied. That's a policy lynch .

Remember you did the policy lynch not me... town loose is on you because you chose to stay blind (if you're one of it) , not me.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:44 am

In post 1770, acryon wrote:If people are just saying and doing whatever when they are drunk, do you not see how that destroys the whole purpose of the game? How can you read anyone if that is a viable excuse?

Are you punishing me for that? I said I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. I'm really really really sorry. But it has no relation to the situation at hand.

I did something. believe it or not it was a true fact. if you can find a scum slip I will gladly die. if you just want to lynch me because of the fake claim your an idiot who is policy lynching. (if your town)

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:49 am

I meant there is nothing against me and there is really nothing against me.

I'm a vanilla townie. and sorry town for this mess.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:50 am

the point is I'm not scum so there is no scum slip to be found!

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:52 am

I know people are waiting eager in the shadows to just jump on my wagon atm.

its my first mislynch and I really deserve it. so I have nothing to argue about

But town please pay attention about the people who are jumping on my wagon. and the try of Arcyon to role fish me

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:54 am

ok then finish me off..

I'm really really under turture atm

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 7:55 am

I'm a frustrated vanilla town. at least you will respect my emotions in next games...

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:03 am

In post 1782, Titus wrote:@FA will you vote BJI?

I have some troubles with that slot.

if you say your case against him and let me compare them with my reads, ... yes I might. he is in my scum lean category

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:04 am

the fact that if you find a scum slip about someone (anyone) you can suggest to lynch that is a data for lynching me?

or the fact your not buying that I'm frustrated-town atm ?

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:06 am

my lynch is dumb because I'm town and there is nothing scummy about me. only a lie which makes my lynch a policy lynch.

And yes. I fucking screwed this game up. I really deserve the lynch at some point. but it won't change the fact that I'm a VT

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:09 am

In post 1789, MarioManiac4 wrote:
In post 1786, Frozen Angel wrote:the fact that if you find a scum slip about someone (anyone) you can suggest to lynch that is a data for lynching me?

or the fact your not buying that I'm frustrated-town atm ?

data:
a set of information describing the contents, format, and structure of a database and the relationship between its elements, used to control access to and manipulation of the database.

basically, in this scenario, data is information that leads to a player's guilt, i would think. i genuinely believe that it's a scumslip and your changing viewpoint about your lynch makes it hard to view you as town.

sorry if i'm being rude.

ha?!! why are you playing with words? I explained all the three lines. answer why you think they have paradox.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:22 am

In post 1792, MarioManiac4 wrote:FA, how am I playing with words? You asked me a question and I answered it. I don't believe your explanation for the scumslip, I don't believe you would rather be lynched later, possibly when it's lylo, than now (which is likely also thought out).

your lynching me now because I can't be lynched later?!!!!!

seriously?!!

what the hell!

first it wasn't my answer. I explained all 3 line of yours.

Frozen Angel wrote:the fact that if you find a scum slip about someone (anyone) you can suggest to lynch that is a data for lynching me?

or the fact your not buying that I'm frustrated-town atm ?

Frozen Angel wrote:my lynch is dumb because I'm town and there is nothing scummy about me. only a lie which makes my lynch a policy lynch.

And yes. I fucking screwed this game up. I really deserve the lynch at some point. but it won't change the fact that I'm a VT

if your mentioning the third line. I said a lie and I'm ashamed of it. you can't see that?

I never changed my view point about the lynch.

point 1 : we must lynch whoever scum sliped and I didn't
point 2 : any one who thinks a policy lynch is an option here is dumb
point 3 : I'm really ashamed about my lie. and i can see why town wants to lynch me because of that.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:23 am

In post 1793, Frozen Angel wrote:I said a lie

I see people wants to play with words so I clarify : I'm talking about the fake claim

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:34 am

In post 1796, MarioManiac4 wrote:ugh.
i'll let you read over that one more time and see what's wrong with it.
i need to try and keep my cool right now.

PEDIT: AND WHAT THE HELL MAKES YOU THINK THIS IS LYNCH ALL LIARS?

there is nothing wrong with my 3 points unless if its a language barrier. the 3 points your mentioning (that I explained my meanings) don't have paradoxes. and their all true.

I want to see your uncool version. I'm town and I'm fighting for it. your reasoning for lynching me is absurd.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:54 am

@Rp I really cant see myself arguing with this. I will vote if Acryon answers why not L1 ...

@MM you said X was my scum slip. I said I meant Y and Y is not a scum slip. your just playing with my vocab to show that as X but its not and I really can't see X as a scum slip specially if it means the same as Y!

so lets stop playing with this bullshit.

tell me what was the exact scum slip and I will gladly answer it again.

@Acryon why not L1 ?

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 8:55 am

He already role claimed like twice.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:00 am

VOTE: RC

I wanted to hear Acryon's reason and I can't accept that.

Its his wagon. you think he will quick hammer? or anyone else will lol-hammer? so what? he already role claimed. others have time to speak.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:01 am

that's L1 ^^^^^

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:03 am

quick hammer himself?!!! if he is town ?!

I don't .

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:05 am

RC is not that kind of players. he has no hesitation in quick hammering others. but he won't quick hammer himself if he is town and he can get out of this mess.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:09 am

3 finished games 6 ongoing games ...

nearly all my mafia games so far

no But I think I know him that much.

Frozen Angel · Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:12 am

Titus was town after all. RC was the role cop and ascitic (explains his role fishing on me)

At this point I'm sure about Acryon being scum ...

no one?!!! anyone?!!!!

VOTE: Acryon

Frozen Angel · Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:18 am

RC is a he

Frozen Angel · Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:25 am

Frozen Angel · Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:13 am

I'm FUCKING town.

That's the greatest hole in your reason bji.

I'm sure Acryon is scum atm and I'm leaning on you being his partner.

Frozen Angel · Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:31 am

I have valid reasons to believe Acryon is scum. He tried to just wagon me in day1 and finish it. He really tried hard to role fish in day 2. REALLY REALLY hard. He really tried to imply one of me and RC are scum just because of the fake claims. and he tried to show there are more reasons.

I won't change my vote today at all. consider it fixed on Acryon.

About you and RP I think I really hate all your ISO when I'm looking at that. Your conspiracy theory about me and RP being scum in day 1 make me think the way Acryon accepted that means your his partner. plus last day you were the shared scum read of all the town firmed dead players. and plus you never even commented about anything Acryon related.

that being said I think your scum

and don't you dare call this omgus ...

Frozen Angel · Sat Dec 26, 2015 5:13 pm

In post 1903, Dwlee99 wrote:So we're not going to listen or even take into consideration ANYTHING RC said??

He said I'm town, and I am. trust me and help me lynch this scumbag . we lynch Acryon (because he was wrong about titus) then we go after bji or others.

Frozen Angel · Sat Dec 26, 2015 5:49 pm

In post 1901, Frozen Angel wrote:I have valid reasons to believe Acryon is scum. He tried to just wagon me in day1 and finish it. He really tried hard to role fish in day 2. REALLY REALLY hard. He really tried to imply one of me and RC are scum just because of the fake claims. and he tried to show there are more reasons.

^^^ nooo! he might be right about his other reads. but Acryon is scum

Frozen Angel · Sat Dec 26, 2015 5:53 pm

what do you feel then?

Frozen Angel · Sat Dec 26, 2015 5:57 pm

can we lynch Acryon first ?

I CAN SEE THE SCUM WITHIN

Frozen Angel · Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:43 pm

MM your reads on Acryon ?

Frozen Angel · Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:52 pm

In post 1915, MarioManiac4 wrote:I don't think your case on arc is good.
You're saying he's scum for role fish ing when IIRC you had already drawn the NK. Trying hard to lynch you isn't scummy, I'm town and I've done that with golden.

that a quiet misrepresention of what happened. I soft claimed something. he pushed for the Claim. the only town reason for that is when you were the town pR who knew it couldn't been a valid claim - which explains RC push.

Acryon couldn't had any valid reason for the things he did in day 2.

He tried to imply that there is surely 1 scum between me and RC - which was a logical fallacy.

Frozen Angel · Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:29 am

That was the worst defense I ever heard about someone else in all my games so far.

Frozen Angel · Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:38 am

first there is something we call WIFOM. why town PR's don't mass claim for fun every game?

second he kept push and push that lead to RC full claim. was the beneficial for town?

third are you sirious about the logical fallacy thing? its scum tool to manipulate town. and you just wanna ignore it? and you wanted to lynch because of the lie? give me a break!

Frozen Angel · Sun Dec 27, 2015 1:55 am

1 - I wanted the NK. that's something town can't understand. its scum WIFOM. why should a town player wants to think about scums night kill?

2 -

siriously?! It was obvious his push will end up with a claim. He did that to reach a claim.

3 - I can see the logic of RC lynch. I can't see the logic he used to show there is surly one scum between me and RC. His awkward play day 2 wasn't town aligned. I can't accept that.

Know I'm considering an MM lynch as well.

Frozen Angel · Sun Dec 27, 2015 2:00 am

In post 1920, MarioManiac4 wrote:After fakeclaiming, don't fakeclaim again

and when I talked about the RC lynch ?! I was talking about before that.

Frozen Angel · Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:15 am

In post 1928, MarioManiac4 wrote:Arc. Bji. Someone just come in and talk and make sense.
Going to do the best I can on mobile to look at FA's reads and seeing if the OMGUS was always there.

This is the best thing you can say about Acryon? when I called him scum becuase of his vote on me?! why are you misrepresenting me?

Frozen Angel · Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:19 am

In post 1931, acryon wrote:We are mostly screwed at this point anyway, but today is hopefully going to consist of: FA not talking because she is killing town if she is town and us lynching Mario.

Get out of here.

Frozen Angel · Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:20 am

Your seriously trying so hard to make them ignore me don't you?

after this I'm nearly sure about a MM-Acryon scum team.

Frozen Angel · Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:54 am

In post 1935, acryon wrote:
In post 1934, Frozen Angel wrote:Your seriously trying so hard to make them ignore me don't you?

after this I'm nearly sure about a MM-Acryon scum team.

Yes I am because a lot of your nonsense has killed this town, regardless of alignment. At a minimum, you have provided a pile of noise that makes it easy for scum to stay hush and impossible for town to sift.

I did 1 mistake. and ONLY one mistake - Your actions killed the town not mine.

Frozen Angel · Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:55 am

and whatever I did wasn't nonsense. Anything else you wanna contribute about your scum team?

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:08 am

scum is playing with themselves. more town votes please.

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:08 am

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:09 am

VOTE Acryon. IF HE wasn't scum I won't play mafia ever ever again.

HE IS 200% Mafia

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 29, 2015 8:23 am

Ok I think I love playing more than that but he is still 200% mafia!

help me lynch him plz

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:40 am

In post 1948, MarioManiac4 wrote:Why would I when you are accusing me of being extremely likely Mafia if arc is and I'm Town?
Do you have any other theories outside MM/arc?

yeah arc himself.

I'm not sure about you yet but arc is definetly scum

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:41 am

cow vote with me

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:56 am

How.Do.You.Not.Vote.Acryon.
Obvious scum who tried to screw the town many times?

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 29, 2015 11:09 am

I'm not talking about him being optimal. I'm talking about him being manipulative , using logical fallacies , hiding behind someone else to vote and a clear role fishing.

HE is SCUM

Frozen Angel · Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:28 pm

I'm seriously disappointed in this town. all the posts I see are from the ones who I think are probable scums and dweele.

I was reading both Super and Acryon as scums then and yeah I found its very probable to both of them being scum. I just made a mistake about what super was trying to hide. (I said I'm sure your nervous and you have something to hide - like several times)

and I posted my reasons TODAY why are you going back to day 1? he DEFINETLY role fished in day 2. he DEFINITELY just hide behind you to get a lynch done. and he DEFINITELY started to use logical fallacies to show me and RC both scums.

Frozen Angel · Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:07 am

yeah blame me for RC second fake claim which made us lynch him. You can easily do that bji.

I wasn't expecting RC to be asectic , I didn't knew such a role even exists. so yeah I think I could just keep it silent. RC had a good reason to push me , Acryon had no damn reason.

Role fishing don't exist *shrugs* ... look how our PR's are dead and tell me that again.

In post 1969, acryon wrote:To be frank, I think this game is near unwinnable for town. A townie quickhammers a PR D1, then scum randomly gets a second PR, then another PR does a weird gambit and gets himself lynched and then on top of that he only got a green check in a game where it seems quite possible the scum have a godfather. A good bit of the deck being stacked against us and town being stupid. All that being said, I can understand the frustration and disinterest of town at this point, but we need participation if we want any chance.

yeah Its a really win situation for you with all these inactives.

Frozen Angel · Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:20 am

I don't want Acryon who is obviously scum anywhere in this game so my case is pretty much more convincing

Frozen Angel · Wed Dec 30, 2015 5:50 am

bji I never claimed that I have information about RC not being cop. I explained it before last day to RC.

I never said my fake claim had any positive side. I'm fucking ashamed of it if you can't see. you want more ?

about Acryon Its not because he pressured me to complete my claim. Its because he pressured to get a full claim from RC

Frozen Angel · Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:12 am

He fucking pressured me to get me cc'd or counter claimed. IT WAS FUCKING OBVIOUS. what the hell are you talking about?

He didn't expect that I would claim VT. He thought he can lynch 1 of me/RC and kill the other at night.

Frozen Angel · Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:20 am

He wanted to know If I'm a cop or its RC or its Titus. why you think titus died last night? because RC was a role cop and he claimed that there something about titus.

Frozen Angel · Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:34 am

I literally don't care about what RC claimed about his results in night. I'm sure his result was titus as vanilla. RC TURNED TO BE A ROLE COP AND HE STARTED LAST DAY PUSHING TITUS. YEAH I'M SURE SCUM THOUGHT TITUS IS SOME PR THING or why should they kill the one who RC was wagoning so hard before his death?

I don't feel to talk about the obvious scum again. you can read his ISO since the start. he tried to stay away from danger. He just wagoned me for no damn reason in day 1 (hiding behind you) He started his day 2 by pushing me and RC to solve town PR's . ITS NOT TOWN MINDSET TO DO THAT. that will only kill town PR's. he tried to justify that by saying things like "one of them must be scum" and "I know your dead at night anyway, so full claim please" It was obvious one of me and RC is not really a town investigator and He wanted to solve that.

Why should he want to solve that?! helping scum? yeah. He is scum.

His last day was I like to vote FA more but yeah RC thing is not bad. He was just ordering mislynches. The fact he didn't pushed me today is another funny things. HE WAS SURE ONE OF ME / RC WAS SCUM LAST DAY. what changed since then?

I'm town and that's scum who tried to organize mislynches.

Frozen Angel · Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:48 am

Please tell me your reads on Acryon MM

Frozen Angel · Wed Dec 30, 2015 6:53 am

You want my read on who? Ask me I'm right here

Frozen Angel · Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:27 am

Rp was pretty like town

bji can be a scary scum

I think mala was town

Acryon is definetly scum

Dweele looks like town

Cow is null

you are null (slightly town) - but I'm looking you carefully because you were RC read

and golden had sone nothing townie in this whole game so yeah scum lean

Frozen Angel · Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:39 am

golden posts has no content. cow has no post! there is a difference here

Frozen Angel · Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:39 am

and consider me 1 1ing acryon.

Frozen Angel · Wed Dec 30, 2015 7:39 am

Acryon is definetly scum

Frozen Angel · Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:02 am

He must die

Frozen Angel · Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:03 am

I must think about his possible associative. I'll post later tomorrow. ...

Frozen Angel · Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:59 am

Frozen Angel · Thu Dec 31, 2015 6:00 am

or its just because of new year eve? ahhhhh

:/

Frozen Angel · Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:25 am

yay! we will have more towns around here!

Frozen Angel · Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:25 am

and probably mafia will show themselves!

Frozen Angel · Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:38 am

Acryon

read day 3 , I explained it.

Frozen Angel · Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:41 am

and also hello

stealing cute *shiro* gif's

Frozen Angel · Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:42 am

In post 2040, Aquanim wrote:the Titus shot might be worth thinking about but no obvious reason anyone in particular would shoot her comes to mind

well a rolecop flip after he fake claimed twice and busying titus whole day long , I was thinking about Titus as a pr (town or mafia) myself after RC flip. Why shouldn't mafia be?

Who would you lynch today besides Acryon and why (remembering there are 3 scum)? Please don't make an associative case.
Also I'd like a more detailed opinion on Mario.

ok I was thinking about it and I wanted more active people to decide that. Can I have more time to think about it? I'm still not sure. I want to analyze newcomers catch up.

about mario his awkward buss on golden took my eye. he never contributed in any arguments about PR claims so far. Can be a distanced opportunistic scum . who was actively supporting that there is one scum between me and RC last day - first voting me then when he found an even better place for killing a town PR just went there. so yeah I'm scumreading him definetly

Spoiler: Since you asked for not looking associatives!

whats your reads?

Frozen Angel · Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:06 am

In post 2043, MarioManiac4 wrote:FEE FI FO FUM, YOU BETTER RUN AND HIDE
I SMELL THE BLOOD OF AN OBVIOUS CONTRADICTION

that was 3 /4 days ago! I'm fucking rereading the thread! answer the case on you instead of making NOISE

Frozen Angel · Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:13 am

ok sorry.

that was 3 /4 days ago! I'm rereading the thread for a while! answer the case on you instead of making NOISE about me being contradicted

Frozen Angel · Sat Jan 02, 2016 4:12 am

MarioManiac4 wrote:
In post 2041, Frozen Angel wrote:
about mario his awkward buss on golden took my eye. he never contributed in any arguments about PR claims so far. Can be a distanced opportunistic scum . who was actively supporting that there is one scum between me and RC last day - first voting me then when he found an even better place for killing a town PR just went there. so yeah I'm scumreading him definetly

Spoiler: Since you asked for not looking associatives!
He defended Acryon so awkward today!

1. But how can it be a bus when I'm town?
2. Why should I? SC was lynched while I was away iirc, Keyser was nightkilled, and I thought RC was cop then sighed and went onto better pastures.
3. Except I never said there was a scum in [FA, RC]. Quote me.
4. I was scumreading you after you claimed VT, and pushed RC because RP made sense.

1- I meant wagoning - I'm mistaking these two words a lot - I did that already a lot in my all games sorry
2- You weren't there when he claimed he fake claimed cop and he is asestic? You were litterally silent and distansed from RC and me when the whole thing was happening. Beneficial for scum who see two possible town PR's fighting
3- ok :

In post 1831, MarioManiac4 wrote:
In post 1830, TheCow wrote:Titus, who's RC scum with?

[you, golden, frozen]

and the fact you were trying to imply that I scum slipped .
4 - You weren't scum reading me after RC claim :

In post 1831, MarioManiac4 wrote:frozen- the lynch is pointing in this direction away. FA is obviously emotional in this game and I don't feel like it's a scumfake but my thoughts is it's like cop and miller. rc claims ascetic, fa retracts because it's known that it can't be true. convenient for sure. it was apparently because of a strong townread on rc. anyone could say that and i don't feel like town frozen would do that for so long just to make a townread seem town?

You were just trying to find reasons to just vote one of us. - scum mindset - and you used the imaginary scum slip to vote me , then RP logic to redirect it to RC

Frozen Angel · Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:51 am

1 - You literally tunneled him till today (last day changed to me and RC) and now your going on cow for an awkward reason. I can't think that tunneling was healthy.

2 - Seriously you couldn't believe that? oh w8 nobody said anything beside me. why on earth you stayed silent when RC attacked me for not being sure about his cop claim? why you never said that in defense of me? why you never stated you don't beleive his claim? yeah I saw you jumped on the wagon of titus when you "weren't sure" about RC claim - just to follow. You were dishonest here, its obvious...

3 - ah ok.
and now I just didn't scum slipped anymore? give me a break. You knew you were just playing with words there, when you got no support and RC wagon appeared you gladly dropped it completely.

4 - The hell! its contradiction isn't it?

In post 2050, MarioManiac4 wrote:4. I was scumreading you after you claimed VT, and pushed RC because RP made sense.

In post 2054, MarioManiac4 wrote:No. I was scumreading you. I said why. You're not backing up your statements.

this is a scum slip. ^^^^

and back to my Imaginary slip - yeah it was pretty much playing with words.

5 - nah?! I just announced it , didn't I?

6 - I called you scum buddy of acryon? I just pointed out a relation. "Are you his scum buddy?" ?

7 - mis lynch sure! He is definitely 100% surely scum. If your that sure that I'm setting up a mislynch why are you voting others?

I'm town anyway and you know it. admit brother ... don't waste my time

8 - My case against you is not your defense of Acryon. Don't mirep me."lolololol" see I can laugh too.

Frozen Angel · Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:57 am

ok I'm considering MM as a lynch atm (whoever asked before). but prefer acryon

Frozen Angel · Sun Jan 03, 2016 3:45 am

In post 2068, MarioManiac4 wrote:The FA slot? "lol newb, u scum bro"

never call me a newbie again. or scum for this shitty reason. go check my wiki page for more details.

and please don't make me angrier - or I will burn this thread ...

Frozen Angel · Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:12 am

ah ok. same goes to TC

Frozen Angel · Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:23 pm

Lynch that obvious scum -> Acryon

Frozen Angel · Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:27 am

In post 2114, acryon wrote:I do want to be clear that I'm not not scum reading FA anymore. But it's abundantly clear that her extremely poor play has led people to believe she is town, and it's kind of tough to argue against hanlon's razor.

I literally don't care what you think of my play.

I'm happy that I found scum in this game

@BJI I don't care ! My case against scum is completly simple! I will just prododge till this scum get lynched! I already explained my case against him like 1000 times.

Frozen Angel · Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:27 am

In post 2114, acryon wrote:I do want to be clear that I'm not not scum reading FA anymore. But it's abundantly clear that her extremely poor play has led people to believe she is town, and it's kind of tough to argue against hanlon's razor.

I literally don't care what you think of my play.

I'm happy that I found scum in this game

@BJI I don't care ! My case against scum is completly simple! I will just prododge till this scum get lynched! I already explained my case against him like 1000 times.

Frozen Angel · Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:38 am

Look how he wants to Ignore me for lylo to easily mislynch me there?!

He Just Can'T Be Town!

Frozen Angel · Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:57 am

I will show bad play after acryon flip.

MM and cow slot are likely the other scums. or it can be you bji. Dweele and RP slot are town.

Frozen Angel · Tue Jan 05, 2016 6:57 am

and I have obviously nothing about golden. if MM is scum golden is likely town.

Frozen Angel · Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:04 am

In post 2131, acryon wrote:
In post 2129, Frozen Angel wrote:I will show bad play after acryon flip.

MM and cow slot are likely the other scums. or it can be you bji. Dweele and RP slot are town.

I'll humor you FA. Why are Dwlee and RP town?

becuase you are definetly scum

and I know its not the way dweele playing scum

and RP was obviously town in day 1 and in day 2

Frozen Angel · Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:25 am

In post 2134, acryon wrote:How do you know the way dwlee plays scum? Considering dwlee had to ask you to link games of yours to him, I'm guessing it's not much.

I can't talk about it. sorry. I might reveal info about ongoing games.

count that a gut read.

Frozen Angel · Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:25 am

In post 2134, acryon wrote:How do you know the way dwlee plays scum? Considering dwlee had to ask you to link games of yours to him, I'm guessing it's not much.

I can't talk about it. sorry. I might reveal info about ongoing games.

count that a gut read.

Frozen Angel · Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:30 am

call that a bad read. I have strong scum read on you and strong town read on RP so I think this is enough for now.

Frozen Angel · Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:40 am

In post 2141, acryon wrote:Can someone help me out by pointing me to what FA has actually done this game outside of acting defensive, fakeclaiming and pushing me? Can someone point me to her scumhunting?

You suddenly started pushing me ! Nice! I as waiting when this will happen after what I accused you off!

Frozen Angel · Tue Jan 05, 2016 7:50 am

In post 2143, MarioManiac4 wrote:Your case on arcyon is; "He pushed me and rc for fakeclaiming. Not my town mindset. Therefore, arc is scum."

This is my case against him?! you ever read my posts?! lol

Your scumread on me was after I pushed you (and when you didn't know my arc read it dissapeared briefly).

Actually I was town reading you then, I started scumreading you middle of today and I revealed it when Aqua asked me.

hmmm?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO ?

are you fucking insulting me?

Frozen Angel · Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:13 pm

In post 2145, Aquanim wrote:Do you have previous experience with Dwlee? If it's not an ongoing game can I see it?

can't , ongoing!

Frozen Angel · Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:12 am

In post 2153, acryon wrote:I sincerely hope that means we will get some more in-depth commentary from you, because coming in and saying two people are town (especially two that have done close to nothing for the game in terms of scumhunting) doesn't sit well with me.

VOTE ACRYON PLEASE

Frozen Angel · Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:33 am

Please read my day 3 posts all again. lots of questions been asked an I answered them all

Frozen Angel · Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:34 am

Spoiler: The case

In post 1757, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 1756, acryon wrote:
In post 1755, Frozen Angel wrote:
ITS NOT INCREDIBLY LIKELY. its just as probable as for any other two pairs.

It is not. If we are looking at just the set of people we have with 0 information, then of course it's the same, but this isn't just a statistic game and you know that. You have both done things that are actively anti-town, but your responses in general have been worse and there is less damage if we are wrong about you, so it goes to you.

This is scum. VOTE: Acryon

I really can't see you as town. your reason for this is "WE have no information about others so scum must be between you two" Whats the meaning of scum hunting then?

why my response in general was been worse? why you think lynching someone you say its a probable mis lynch is "less damage" and therefor justified?

if you want to lynch me you need better reasons than those two you already provided. the fact you can't even think about finding scum and just want to lynch between me and RC is another thing I must add to your scum case.

In post 1759, Frozen Angel wrote:- you said its not a static game and you have less information about others so you think one of us must be scum because of that. You said its very very likely.

although I agree with the first part but its not town motivated to just accept that the slots you have more information about are more likly scum. I might be a littel overreacting becuase I know I'm not scum and I'm town reading RC. I don't know.

- But you never provided proof about it. LAL and RP tunnel are your reasons. first is suggesting a policy lynch , second is absurd so you have nothing make me a probable scum lynch.

- No I'm not kidding. your not scum hunting. you never did in this whole damn game. your talking about probabilities and right choices based on the information everyone else brings for you. your distanced and your just assuming things the way you want them too.

In post 1767, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 1766, acryon wrote:Like I said before FA, I simply can't accept that you softclaimed because you were drunk. If that were true, then it's essentially you playing against your wincon (sober or not) and this game is screwed anyway. So my only choice is to ignore that point on principle, and move forward with what we have, which I believe points to you being scum.

THE FU.. THIS IS POLICY LYNCHING. I really don't care to be lynched today because I screwed it up. BUT I'm concerned why your not calling it a policy lynch.

I DID SOMETHING THAT I'M ASHAMED OF RIGHT NOW. you want to do your shit? do it! I really don't care.

In post 1901, Frozen Angel wrote:I have valid reasons to believe Acryon is scum. He tried to just wagon me in day1 and finish it. He really tried hard to role fish in day 2. REALLY REALLY hard. He really tried to imply one of me and RC are scum just because of the fake claims. and he tried to show there are more reasons.

I won't change my vote today at all. consider it fixed on Acryon.

About you and RP I think I really hate all your ISO when I'm looking at that. Your conspiracy theory about me and RP being scum in day 1 make me think the way Acryon accepted that means your his partner. plus last day you were the shared scum read of all the town firmed dead players. and plus you never even commented about anything Acryon related.

that being said I think your scum

and don't you dare call this omgus ...

In post 1916, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 1915, MarioManiac4 wrote:I don't think your case on arc is good.
You're saying he's scum for role fish ing when IIRC you had already drawn the NK. Trying hard to lynch you isn't scummy, I'm town and I've done that with golden.

that a quiet misrepresention of what happened. I soft claimed something. he pushed for the Claim. the only town reason for that is when you were the town pR who knew it couldn't been a valid claim - which explains RC push.

Acryon couldn't had any valid reason for the things he did in day 2.

He tried to imply that there is surely 1 scum between me and RC - which was a logical fallacy.

In post 1921, Frozen Angel wrote:1 - I wanted the NK. that's something town can't understand. its scum WIFOM. why should a town player wants to think about scums night kill?

2 - siriously?! It was obvious his push will end up with a claim. He did that to reach a claim.

3 - I can see the logic of RC lynch. I can't see the logic he used to show there is surly one scum between me and RC. His awkward play day 2 wasn't town aligned. I can't accept that.

Know I'm considering an MM lynch as well.

In post 1967, Frozen Angel wrote:I'm seriously disappointed in this town. all the posts I see are from the ones who I think are probable scums and dweele.

I was reading both Super and Acryon as scums then and yeah I found its very probable to both of them being scum. I just made a mistake about what super was trying to hide. (I said I'm sure your nervous and you have something to hide - like several times)

and I posted my reasons TODAY why are you going back to day 1? he DEFINETLY role fished in day 2. he DEFINITELY just hide behind you to get a lynch done. and he DEFINITELY started to use logical fallacies to show me and RC both scums.

In post 1982, Frozen Angel wrote:I literally don't care about what RC claimed about his results in night. I'm sure his result was titus as vanilla. RC TURNED TO BE A ROLE COP AND HE STARTED LAST DAY PUSHING TITUS. YEAH I'M SURE SCUM THOUGHT TITUS IS SOME PR THING or why should they kill the one who RC was wagoning so hard before his death?

I don't feel to talk about the obvious scum again. you can read his ISO since the start. he tried to stay away from danger. He just wagoned me for no damn reason in day 1 (hiding behind you) He started his day 2 by pushing me and RC to solve town PR's . ITS NOT TOWN MINDSET TO DO THAT. that will only kill town PR's. he tried to justify that by saying things like "one of them must be scum" and "I know your dead at night anyway, so full claim please" It was obvious one of me and RC is not really a town investigator and He wanted to solve that.

Why should he want to solve that?! helping scum? yeah. He is scum.

His last day was I like to vote FA more but yeah RC thing is not bad. He was just ordering mislynches. The fact he didn't pushed me today is another funny things. HE WAS SURE ONE OF ME / RC WAS SCUM LAST DAY. what changed since then?

I'm town and that's scum who tried to organize mislynches.

Frozen Angel · Wed Jan 06, 2016 6:35 am

In post 2123, Frozen Angel wrote:Look how he wants to Ignore me for lylo to easily mislynch me there?!

He Just Can'T Be Town!

In post 2142, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2141, acryon wrote:Can someone help me out by pointing me to what FA has actually done this game outside of acting defensive, fakeclaiming and pushing me? Can someone point me to her scumhunting?

You suddenly started pushing me ! Nice! I as waiting when this will happen after what I accused you off!

and this ^^

Frozen Angel · Wed Jan 06, 2016 7:52 am

Frozen Angel · Wed Jan 06, 2016 7:53 am

He was using a logical fallacy - and a policy lynch and general hatred about lynching the liers to show me and RC the only two viable options that forced both of us to claim. he tried to wagon me and changed it to RC right after RP said his case.

Frozen Angel · Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:14 am

yes totally!

and he just wagoned me in day 1 based on bji's conspiracy theory and today he suddenly stopped scumreading me until he asked for it and he started pushing at me a bit later than that.

Frozen Angel · Wed Jan 06, 2016 8:16 am

I'm scum's best option to be in lylo. town can be easily manipulated to lynch me because of my fake claim ...

Frozen Angel · Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:53 am

all of these scummy no alignment indicative together means he is scum.

your hesitation its not townish

Frozen Angel · Wed Jan 06, 2016 9:28 pm

In post 2171, Marcrell wrote:Why make this post? If it's true or any good analysis it assists scum in making decisions, if it's bad then it still lacks much value, and if you're scum it looks really like a way of putting people into the mindframe that you're a mislynch and goign to vote you is too risky because scum could easily manipulate us to vote that spot. Do not like this post.

Its what Acryon and other scums were planning that suddenly everyone dropped scumreading me in start of day 3 ....

Its kind of obvious ...

and I'm not scum

siriously this is how you wanna accuse me of being one? I do not like your posts!

start scum hunting if your town.

Frozen Angel · Thu Jan 07, 2016 2:56 am

In post 2173, acryon wrote:When did I ever stop scumreading you? Unlike you, I understand when a tunnel is bad for town and look at others. There is more than one scum in this game. Your nonsensical pushing with no results ruined a lot of D2 and currently a lot of D3.

I'm open to finding your partners

wanna help me?
ok MM is likely the first one isn't he?

Frozen Angel · Thu Jan 07, 2016 6:58 am

No! But your not acting like town!

He is scum so if your town you Must vote him to play toward your wincon. unless your not town! which we must reanalize that later ...

Frozen Angel · Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:03 am

In post 2177, acryon wrote:Are you kidding me? It's only playing against his wincon if he thinks I'm scum and doesn't vote for me. Do you truly believe anyone is going to follow along with this nonsense? Please move on from this and do some other scumhunting if you are town.

Your scum! don't be silly

and I did other scum hunting

pedit : but there is no world in which arc is town! But.You.Do!

Frozen Angel · Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:07 am

In post 2180, MarioManiac4 wrote:Let's say arc is scum.
Do you think we'll LYNCH him today? Or are you simply wasting your vote, not wanting to be on a lynch?

or we can lynch you

my second scum read

agreed?

Frozen Angel · Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:08 am

In post 2183, MarioManiac4 wrote:
In post 2181, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2180, MarioManiac4 wrote:Let's say arc is scum.
Do you think we'll LYNCH him today? Or are you simply wasting your vote, not wanting to be on a lynch?

or we can lynch you

my second scum read

agreed?

Try and do that if you're able.
You're not.

VOTE: MM you asked for it

Frozen Angel · Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:10 am

arrrrgh

but he is scum!

VOTE: Acryon

Frozen Angel · Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:18 am

In post 2182, acryon wrote:Do you really not see how the way you are playing and tunneling on me is anti-town? Multiple pages and countless posts of your's have been wasted spouting things that are misinformed, ignorant, or even patently false. Instead of being able to read the game, people are forced to read your drivel. I don't actually care if you think I am scum, but filling up the thread with your terrible arguments does nothing but make it easier for scum to hide.

See ?! The point is I was never been sure about my read ever! Multiple pages and countless (which are countable btw, go work on your math) are me trying to show evidence of you being scum and everyone just ignored them. I'm asking town To grant me 1 favor and lynch you with me. And your scum. you must care to be lynched

Don't pretend otherwise!

Frozen Angel · Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:24 am

Ok lynch me then lynch acryon I don't care and I really don't like to be the lylo mislynch

my reads after him are

MM
Marcell
BJI

in this order. I guarantee aqua and dweelle are town and mala seems like town

VOTE: Frozen Angel This will help town I guess

Frozen Angel · Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:31 am

If it will help town to win its not

Frozen Angel · Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:37 am

I won't be lylo mislynch ...

and you are confirmed scum don't be silly

I'm playing toard my wincon - town's why are you hesitated to lynch the one who you claimed your scum reading MORE than everyone else??

Ha? Caught you!

VOTE: Acryon

Frozen Angel · Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:39 am

You know I'm town. You know how much my list is accurate and you know that my death means people will follow me on my reads!

and you panicked ...

Nice one

Frozen Angel · Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:40 am

Just lynch this scum please!

MM you better start bussing your partner. that might help you later!

pedit : yay! confused scum!

Frozen Angel · Thu Jan 07, 2016 7:43 am

I'm the new meta!

lynch this scum please! this page is a scum claim ...

pedit : lol , sure you do scum!

Frozen Angel · Thu Jan 07, 2016 6:38 pm

In post 2202, Aquanim wrote:
@Frozen Angel
TheCow tried to lynch you day 2:

In post 1373, TheCow wrote:VOTE: fa
lets go b o i s

In post 1376, TheCow wrote:FA is totally obviously scum, can we bw please?

What is your read on TheCow's slot?

Marcell is not in cow slot?

In post 2188, Frozen Angel wrote:Ok lynch me then lynch acryon I don't care and I really don't like to be the lylo mislynch

my reads after him are

MM
Marcell
BJI

in this order. I guarantee aqua and dweelle are town and mala seems like town

VOTE: Frozen Angel This will help town I guess

I think I answered already. If I'm going to tell you who is the scum team I say Acryon , MM and Marcell

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:16 am

In post 2213, bji wrote:I agree with others that FA's play is hard to categorize. Her play seems sincere (town) but is also combative and nonproductive (anti-town). On the whole though although I have had reservations about particular actions (interactions with RolePlay slot and fake claiming), I have a town read on her.

yeah my play is completly toward my town wincon. thx for criticizing.

Acryon is scum so we lynch him

If I'm going to be lylo mislynch just finish me off.

its 1 v 1

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:44 am

No I read that wholesome. I commented about what was important.

pedit : lol. no not at all. I'm gonna troll this shit till I get confirmation with your flip. I know your scum mate. stop it.

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:46 am

Well i'm null about Mala and Dire(golden)

Aqu seems town becuase of RP. I have no doubt he was town.

MM seems scummy

you seems scummy

dwelle is like his town self.

and I have nothing to answer to scums so yeah! that was the important part.

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:48 am

I literally explained my reads like 1000 times already! I don't feel the need to explain them again bji

and Acryon

stop it! My reputation can't be even touched by your stupid try!

pedit : My play is not Anti Town. I'm saying I'm playing toward my wincon. Is it anti town to lynch scum? I think not!

so lets get over this shit

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:51 am

In post 2221, acryon wrote:Please guys can we just hang FA. There's a decent chance of scum (I believe it's quite high, although I feel others have to admit it's at least decent), and if she's not, we at least have a much easier time scumhunting for our few days of LyLo.

you mean much more chance to mislynch someone? like dweele? or mala? or cow(if your mate is bji) ?

nah I think not

I'm happy with a today lynch on me. just to avoid getting mis lynched in lylo but if town promise me to look over your ISO and my points about you.

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:54 am

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:55 am

so you say I'm scum and I'm asking to hang myself pretty much like me

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:56 am

and you never even voted me when I self voted.

oh god you have so much contradictions. why other town members can't see this!

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 7:59 am

In post 2227, acryon wrote:
In post 2225, Frozen Angel wrote:so you say I'm scum and I'm asking to hang myself pretty much like me

Do I really have to explain why that's not a valid defense? "Oh hey guys I'm willing to lynch myself I can't be scum!"

Do I have to repeat why I'm scumreading you again?

and why I want to be lynched? to avoid being lynched in lylo? It was so damn obvious why you stopped pushing me in the first part of today. Its completly the perfect plan for scums to save me for lylo and lynch me there. Its like I can see your scum thread that's "yeah! lets not lynch Fa till Lylo! we can lynch her then! she is the perfect bait for the town!"

Your obviously scum at this point. there is not even space to talk about it!

pedit : LOL

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:08 am

In post 2230, acryon wrote:You never accept being lynched as town. It makes no sense and it's playing against your win-con. This is common sense in the game of mafia. "I'm the perfect LyLo bait so I'm going to self-vote and have you guys lynch me now". Please read that and tell me how it's not insane.

see! the point Is no one will lynch me today. Even you were afraid to come to vote me because I'm kind of obviously town. I made noise to ruin your evil plan about saving me till lylo and I succeeded. The lynch is on you or on me. Its definitely confirmation bias from now on!

I never played against my wincon. My wincon is to make town winners. and If my lynch will help town to do so , yeah I will gladly introduce myself as a lynch candidate!

And I won't ever let myself (with that fake claim) to live till lylo if scum can advertise that I'm scum (like what you finally started to do)

@bji you don't know me at all. if your town , you will be surprised after my flip. which I really doubt at this point if you are.

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:08 am

In post 2234, acryon wrote:Look, I want her lynched because I think she is scum. But she is
also
the best lynch if we are unsure of who is scum, which I think it's safe to say we are pretty lost on. The only reason I am even mentioning this second idea is because for some reason people continue to write off her anti-town play because she is emotional.
Emotion is not an alignment tell
.

I'm null if you refer to emotions yes...

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:10 am

In post 2237, acryon wrote:
In post 2235, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2230, acryon wrote:You never accept being lynched as town. It makes no sense and it's playing against your win-con. This is common sense in the game of mafia. "I'm the perfect LyLo bait so I'm going to self-vote and have you guys lynch me now". Please read that and tell me how it's not insane.

see! the point Is no one will lynch me today. Even you were afraid to come to vote me because I'm kind of obviously town. I made noise to ruin your evil plan about saving me till lylo and I succeeded. The lynch is on you or on me. Its definitely confirmation bias from now on!

I never played against my wincon. My wincon is to make town winners. and If my lynch will help town to do so , yeah I will gladly introduce myself as a lynch candidate!

And I won't ever let myself (with that fake claim) to live till lylo if scum can advertise that I'm scum (like what you finally started to do)

Come on people... This post.

Come on people!

This scum!

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:17 am

it won't sum up in 3 sentenses!

why should I repeat it again? I recently answered it to dweele ...

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:21 am

In post 2241, acryon wrote:
In post 2239, MarioManiac4 wrote:@Aquanim; Arc has missed no reasons for FA!scum. Yet on the other hand, I feel like scum wouldn't want to so brazenly offer themselves up in a 1v1. Currently nullish.
@Frozen Angel; I'll sort-of redirect Aqua's question for you. Can you sum up the case on arc in three sentences?

That's the problem. Your reason for feeling nullish is WIFOM. Her actual play is as anti-town as you can get, and any reasons for defense are either emotion or WIFOM, both of which are BS.

1 - My play is completly town motivated (not anti town at all) - stop nagging ...
2 - my emotional play is my playstyle as both town and scum - its simply my personality - so yes its null
3 - I never defended myself of any accusations you made - because you simply didn't accused me about anything - your just nagging that I'm playing anti town and bringing up my fake claim - which I don't like to answer at all. because i answered them all in full detail already.

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:24 am

In post 2242, MarioManiac4 wrote:
In post 2240, Frozen Angel wrote: it won't sum up in 3 sentenses!

why should I repeat it again? I recently answered it to dweele ...

OK. Can you sum up the best points in three sentences?

post 2159 till post 2168

I hate summarizing.

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:34 am

Yeah i feel I'm insulted by scum here ...

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:41 am

The contradiction is in his day 2 posts about the false dilemma he put there that one of me or RC should be scum and the way he started day 3 completly trying to make sure town will ignore me and when he got caught about it he started to ask questions. when I self voted he got confused because he couldn't vote me (my flip would make my reads more valuable ) so he just tried to calm me down instead. then he started to call me "anti town" and voted me now...

yeah completly dishonest - contradicted play from him. definitely scummy. he can't support his false dilemma or back up his reads. he is scum

pedit : Lol as I said I'm the new meta .

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 8:46 am

In post 2251, acryon wrote:
In post 2250, Frozen Angel wrote:The contradiction is in his day 2 posts about the false dilemma he put there that one of me or RC should be scum and the way he started day 3 completly trying to make sure town will ignore me and when he got caught about it he started to ask questions. when I self voted he got confused because he couldn't vote me (my flip would make my reads more valuable ) so he just tried to calm me down instead. then he started to call me "anti town" and voted me now....

Yep. This is what happened...

Yep this is exactly what happened!

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:10 am

In post 2253, bji wrote:This I can actually agree with! Her read on Dwlee based on supposed meta is very unconvincing and also not well defended, to the point that it seems insincere (I don't remember what she said about RC's meta and honestly trying to search for it in ISO is just not something I want to spend time doing right now).

I can't talk about it

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:19 am

In post 2255, bji wrote:
In post 2250, Frozen Angel wrote:The contradiction is in his day 2 posts about the false dilemma he put there that one of me or RC should be scum and the way he started day 3 completly trying to make sure town will ignore me and when he got caught about it he started to ask questions. when I self voted he got confused because he couldn't vote me (my flip would make my reads more valuable ) so he just tried to calm me down instead. then he started to call me "anti town" and voted me now...

Three points:

1. Why would he try to put out a false dilemma about either you or RC being scum, if he wasn't willing to go after either one of you when the other flipped town? He started Day 3 with a town read on you.

2. Is it really your position that Acryon was waiting for you to self-vote before pretending to "resolve his confusion" and place his vote back on you? If so, why would he waste his "false dilemma" assertion by calling you town before coming back to wagon you? I just don't see how you're ascribing any rational action to Acryon at all, scum or town.

3. If you believe that your flipped reads are valuable to scum, why would you want to give them those reads by being lynched today? You've defended your self-vote with the argument that you think that your lynch today could be better for town, but doesn't that contradict with what you've just said here about your flipped reads being valuable to scum?

pedit: if you can't talk about it, you shouldn't have mentioned it at all.

1 - he put a false dilemma on 2 people who claimed to pr haunt. the PR is dead. the other one is the master bait of lylo.

2 - He never wasted it. he just tried to make town ignore me for a while till lylo.

3 - The point Is I wanted to screw scum team play that wanted to push me in a safety point for now. I'm not supporting a lynch on my slot since its a mislynch. But if town is not motivated to lynch the obvious scum , it should lynch me before lylo. me in lylo is like a miller in lylo. I'm not sure how town thinks about my fake claim atm but its extremely dangerous to be the mislynch in lylo instead of today.

4 - because you asked about my reads. I gave them. I can't support it because our only games are ongoing. so yeah I won't talk about it. you can count that as a gut read.

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 9:49 am

Well about the second point , MM was one of the people who thought I scum slipped last day. and he just completly ignored me in the first portion of today. so yeah as i pointed him out he is my second strong scum read. I'm not sure about the third part, that's why i thought MM tried to buss cow.Marcell seems fairly scummy for being the third partner solo.

Well after all the drama and accusations that being made "why your not scum reading me anymore?" and all the "I'm still 100% sure your scum" responses he just can't stop from voting me anymore.

ok I'll try to ISO him and find town points but I must admit that's really hard!

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 10:14 am

In post 2259, acryon wrote:She attempted to misrepresent the importance of me/SC connection to her case, which is scummy.

I specifically said that I'm scum reading you two

solo

in day 1. and If one of you flip scum I won't hesitate to lynch the other. don't misrep please.

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 10:29 am

In post 1017, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 1013, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 1011, Frozen Angel wrote:Can you please do me a favor and open Acryon ISO and read it for me? Then can you please search "Super" name in his ISO (for searching Supercool).

and then come back here and tell me what do you see there?

This doesn't work all the time.
Take one lynch at a time.
Have you opened up everyone else's ISO and searched supercool898's name?

supercool898's name keeps popping up... but I don't see as many votes on his name
"supercool898" is constantly being used as a substitute for the word "scum".
He is not confirmed scum the last time I checked.

that wasn't the same thing they brought up about me and RP ?

I know it won't prove anything. but look at both of them individually , then together ....

Supercool role fish. Acryon bandwagon. Supercool jump on me base of nothing. Acryon Jump on me behind someone else. I ask Acryon why,Supercool answers it. people asks about Supercools behavior , Acryon answers them. Super cool never had a strong scum read. Acryon never had a strong scum read.

If I'm wrong about both of them being scum together I'm sure I'm right about at least one of them.

acryon wrote:
In post 1011, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 1010, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm voting scum yo. I don't know what everyone else is on.

Can you please do me a favor and open Acryon ISO and read it for me? Then can you please search "Super" name in his ISO (for searching Supercool).

and then come back here and tell me what do you see there?

Maybe you should have done better research popping into this game, because if you did it would be clear I defended
your
slot more than I ever defended sueprcool.

I said you defended him? I'm saying you two never had any kind of direct interactions.

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:07 am

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:09 am

your accusing me of scumrading you basedon SC.

well i have some news! I wasn't! I was completly solo scumreading you and solo scumreading him

and I was believing there is a kind of weird connection between two slots .

More misrepresentation.

pedit : scum wishes ...

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:30 am

In post 2267, acryon wrote:The only reason to leave me open anyway in case SC flipped town was to try and lynch me later.

lol

I never left you! NEVER

ALL my Iso is full of hatred and rage against the scum!

Frozen Angel · Fri Jan 08, 2016 5:57 pm

In post 2275, Dierfire wrote:@Frozen
If I promise to lynch Acryon over you in LYLO, will you consider moving your vote somewhere else today?

I'm considering MM and I'm not sure about the third target ...

yeah

Frozen Angel · Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:36 am

I will reread mala ISO again tonight. I must sort this out.

Frozen Angel · Sat Jan 09, 2016 6:10 pm

In post 2286, Marcrell wrote:What exactly is the "third partner solo"? I thought it was one or the other, partnered or alone.

I find most situations of intense tunneling between two people to be TvT, but I'm less sure on this one. Getting different vibes from it. One of FA or Acryon might be scum. Not positive but I'm warming up to the idea. If it's Acryon I'd wager Mario might be as well.

I think I already explained why acryon wan't holding his case on me.

YES he is scum

and Yes MM is kind of for sure his partner ...

Frozen Angel · Sat Jan 09, 2016 10:22 pm

I feel its Acryon , MM , Marcell

I don't like to vote mala , But I will reread her as soon as possible

Frozen Angel · Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:30 am

In post 2292, Malakittens wrote:
In post 2290, Frozen Angel wrote:I feel its Acryon , MM , Marcell

I don't like to vote mala , But I will reread her as soon as possible

This wouldn't make sense? At least MM and Marcell.

It makes complete sense. dear. if its right , MM pushed cow to show himself and Acryon town and they wanted to win the game like buddy-buddy

mala why your voting Marcell ? any particular reason ?

I didn't find the time the review you and the cow (Marcell) yet

Frozen Angel · Sun Jan 10, 2016 2:33 am

In post 2296, Aquanim wrote:and by "Marcell" myself, Mala and Jake all meant "Marcrell"

lol

didn't notice it before!

Frozen Angel · Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:34 am

In post 2310, acryon wrote:This is disappointing I don't
hate
a marcrell lynch, but the problem is that even if FA is town, scum is going to leave both of us alive to LyLo and then we will just straight lose. I have the ability to believe that FA is town for the sake of not just losing the game due to my hardheadedness (though I certainly don't believe that now); I'm not sure FA has that ability for me which is bad for town.

So I suppose since you all are completely unwilling to lynch FA at this point, I will back off for the time being. Consider this a plead to you FA to let your issues with me go for now because it's only going to hurt town at this juncture.

no issues brother

I have a case on you

Frozen Angel · Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:43 am

In post 2315, Aquanim wrote:Almost every slot remaining is a low activity slot in this game...

and if you were to make a decision based on current activity, I'm not sure how leaving the lurkiest slot alive and lynching an active one is supposed to be helpful for town, either.

Do you think Mala has a mafia role PM or not?

Aqua why we can't lynch MM or Acryon today?

with all the theories - cases I brought up ?

Frozen Angel · Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:38 pm

I'm still insisting in Acryon or MM lynch ...

after reading mala recent posts I feel she is likely to flip town

If not those two I think Marcel is y next choice but I'm not sure becuase of mm tunnel ... maybe the direfire(golden) is the third mafia?... still looking for evidense

Frozen Angel · Mon Jan 11, 2016 10:45 pm

SO VOTE HIM WITH ME