Mini 1752: Back to December (Game Over)

[curiouskarmadog]

So I have found myself without a computer. Which means most of my posting for the next week (or two) will be short as I am doing this by phone. I have not read yet will do so later tonight.

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Just eye balling this page. Lots of long posts for day 3, this should be interesting

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I mean page 3

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vote MattP

Marq dead? Matt votes Llama (because he should have been killed?).

Marq had your number in the last game we played together....possibly scared for a repeat.

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what EXACTLY do you not "understand" about my post?

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When I'm scum I don't say anything because I'm scared shitless. Look up my meta of the last year. It's not WIFOMy, it's like an actual serious phobia, I wouldn't be posting content if I were scum

I don't like this either. You seem too defensive.

Unvote

Too defensive? So what?

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Scum tend to be more defensive because they have something to hide.

bullshit. that is also like saying over reacting is scummy. which is also bullshit.

vote Elyse.

I have seen scum use this way too many times to push bad wagons OR meaningless reason to get on/stay on a wagon. there is no way you really believe this. have you ever seen town be "too defensive"? the whole term itself is subjective.

this is your first scum.

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, and I think the level of guardedness I feel from him is a bit unnecessary given

note to self: this is also bad....i just dont know if it is being new bad...or being scum bad.

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At this point I could believe Rask as newb-town.

curious, how do you define a "newb"(says the old man asking the "goon")

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Matt is a strong player I wouldn't expect to be so defensive.

I am a strong player and I am "defensive" all the time.

have you ever seen town be "too defensive"? the whole term itself is subjective.

also noting the fact you did not address the above statement.

does anybody want to high five me now for catching scum, or should we just wait a bit? Either way, I will keep my hand warm.

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well dammit, might have spoke to soon...maybe

He took basically no stances,.

this is actually a good point if not a true analysis of the post.

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I have some solid townreads considering it's only page 5

who cares, the best scum look town.

I want to hear about those solid scum reads.

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I've played with Matt before and I haven't seen him be defensive.

I also thought the second part was rhetorical. Yes I have seen town be too defensive. It varies on a player by player basis. For Matt it's scummy to me.

okay we can go down the vortex.

what about MattP's post(s) was too defensive? As I said, it is a subjective statement that scum tend to mend to their will. Sell me on this. Better yet, share me those games that you have played with him before where you have developed this opinion of him.

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When I'm scum I don't say anything because I'm scared shitless. Look up my meta of the last year. It's not WIFOMy, it's like an actual serious phobia, I wouldn't be posting content if I were scum

I thought this post was very defensive. It seemed like he had this defense ready and brought it out unnecessarily early, especially since no one was really calling him scum for any specific reason.

I've played with him here:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=61784

going to check this out time permitting.

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He took basically no stances,.

this is actually a good point if not a true analysis of the post.

Can you explain what you mean by this? If the analysis isn't true, isn't it mistaken at best and misleading at worst?

it was weird wording. bottom line, is that I think it is a good/fair point. I brought it up because i felt/feel that Elyse is scummy, but this was a good analysis of that post.

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Just doesn't sit well. First off, there is truth there: NEW scum tend to be more defensive. People who are bad at scum tend to be more defensive. If you get caught lying easily, it's definitely a trend. In total, I think it's a flimsy-at-best reason to vote Elyse. CKD picked a difference in theory as the baseline for a vote. Yeah he's correct, but I still don't see it warranting this response.

no there is NO TRUTH here. it is a crap attack. Over defensive? Do you think matt was being over defensive? IF Matt is scum, would you label him typically bad at being scum? I saw an attacked that I felt was scummy, what response WAS warranted?

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Just doesn't sit well. First off, there is truth there: NEW scum tend to be more defensive. People who are bad at scum tend to be more defensive. If you get caught lying easily, it's definitely a trend. In total, I think it's a flimsy-at-best reason to vote Elyse. CKD picked a difference in theory as the baseline for a vote. Yeah he's correct, but I still don't see it warranting this response.

no there is NO TRUTH here. it is a crap attack. Over defensive? Do you think matt was being over defensive? IF Matt is scum, would you label him typically bad at being scum? I saw an attacked that I felt was scummy, what response WAS warranted?

FURTHERMORE (now I think about it).

if you feel like my vote wasnt warranted, what do you think that says about MY alignment?

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also probably out of pocket this weekend.

unvote

for now.

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I think it was a bad vote. While it will help in a future case, I'm not going to say you're scum because of it,

Answer the rest of the questions please.

Also curious why you didn't do it in this post.

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Will update tomorrow

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You should've pressed it as false logic as opposed to voting outright.

you still did not answer all the questions, mainly about Matt...you avoided them twice now..noted.

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Elyse, what benefit do I gain from buddying you? You'd be the easiest lynch to dump on if I was scum because frankly buddying you wouldn't really get me that far.

okay you been around for awhile...this is a ridiculous statement.

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okay expressing my desire to hammer.

AJ claim.

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Well I have seen scum claim doctor many times. But without a counter claim we don't lynch Aj. If he really is a doc he will die tonight.

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Lol I just read p Kelly's post. When I am not on my phone I am going to check out those links. If that is true then yeah I am fine with an Aj lynch.

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You realize the purpose of that is to still die but have drawn a counter claim whereas I'm the SOLE DOCTOR who's not going to draw a counter claim.

Or you can save me the time. As scum do you claim doc frequently?

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What about the posta jelly posted?

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Metas are grand

I will look for myself when I get time.

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Aj can you explain to me (again?) why pj is scum?

Aj have you ever as scum defended a townie who was the leading wagon?

Ocean wind, you ask Aj a bunch of questions in 175 and then vote him (which I guess is okay). He answered the questions but you do not appear to acknowledge this. What were the purpose of the questions and what do you think of this answers?

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I think AJ is probably scum.

I am no longer feeling Elyse.

going to reread TKoE and Rask again.....

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@CKD; Do you have any gut reads yet? I'm noticing a lack of those from you.

nothing strong...though, right now the lack of a PC is hurting. I would not have signed up for this game if I would have known the motherboard on my new PC was going to die. as it stands the bulk of my post have been by phone (with the exception of this one, using wife's laptop). But I guess this is really neither here nor there.

Something about TKoE's last post didnt sit right with me. The "golly gee scum, do something scummy" seems.....off? Like when someone who is scum is feeling self conscientious and they want to put forward again that they are town without anyone asking. By talking to "scum", it is a subtle reminder "hey guys, I am town".

anyway. this is weak. it is only a slight ping.

going to read the rest of his posts...and going to read Rask (again) since he is the other wagon....and while I am thinking about, going to look over MattP again.


like I said, my biggest read (not really gut though) is AJ.

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ugh

just reading over my issue with AJ

I REALLY think he is scum.....

the fact that he dropped that "what could I gain from defending town (as scum)" line and the fact he avoided my questions about matt.....just looks scummy.

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SO, cant quote the post, but you say that the wagon on AJ is based on an awkward play style over scumminess.

give me an example of what you think we are thinking is scummy when it is actually an awkward playstyle.

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vote xtoxm

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The old bones are aching.

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UNVOTE: Aj The Epic
VOTE: LlamaFluff

First time this game I'm feeling really good about a scumread.

I agree with most of what llama said in 304. Am I scummy too?

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Reading through, current top suspects for me are Llamafluff are TKoE. The latter mostly because of lack of content. I'm going to try and elaborate on both tomorrow but that's where I'd like the lynch today to be.

Who has provided more content in this game me or TKoE?

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Actually as I think about it.

unvote, vote oceanwind

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You know what is really going to blow your mind?

I think oceanwind and Aj are scum together. (Make sure this is on my tombstone tomorrow).

Say what now, how can that be?

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I see questions for me. will answer when I am not on phone.

funny how OW is curious about my Xtoxm vote AFTER I vote him.

will go ahead and hammer AJ this weekend if needed, but would rather OW.

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I was curious before you switched to me as I mentioned in Post 306. Why would it have mattered even if I didn't?

but it took me voting you to ask me about it. why?

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I've also become suspicious of CKD with his oddball votes on me and Ocean, and general lack of desire to bring this day to a pro-town conclusion.

dont know what you tell you, my lack of a reliable computer right now is severely inhibiting my play. voting on my gut as a read it.

your wording is strange here though...pro-town conclusion?

I am not in to the Llama lynch. I am sure once Alchemist hammers and if he flips scum, I will be eating these words. But I think he is going to flip town.

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I can also hammer. I am fine with this lynch.

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Unless of course we want to surge on OW

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unvote vote tkoe

Don't believe claim.

Though I don't believe AJ's either

Also still on phone quoting/posting is a chore. Am reading though.

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Omg I need to get to a computer today.

Ow and Aj for scum.

For whoever asked my OW case is based in his interaction with Aj (who I think is scum). He denies one exists but coming into today his scum "reads" were Aj and myself. Aj a claimed doc that wasn't killed last night. But he chooses to vote me over Aj? Bullshit.

I will try to post more if I can get in front of my wife's laptop. I don't know what the current vote is but consider it on Aj.

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It probably will not until tomorrow (laptop)

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You bussed who again?

Also you know where you can stick that pass right? Why would I care to convince you of anything?

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Also Captain Slips you seem pretty confident you and I will be around tomorrow. Why is that?

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Also bottom line. That hammer means jack. As scum I would have hammered him too. Also someone had said they would have hammered so.... What you be red to look at is doesn't make since given what is on the table that I a scum vs OW. Look at his actions versus what he is saying. If Aj flips scum and we are still here, this is your remaining scum

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God I hate this fucking phone. I hope you get the gist of what I a saying

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Also Captain Slips you seem pretty confident you and I will be around tomorrow. Why is that?

Yeah thought you would ignore this.

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What questions?
Give me the post number

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Also Captain Slips you seem pretty confident you and I will be around tomorrow. Why is that?

Yeah thought you would ignore this.

I ignored it because it was a pointless question. You'll be alive because you are either mafia or anti-town. I'll likely be alive because either mafia would want us to get distracted as a TvT or because you think killing me would paint a target on your back.

Now answer my questions.

Lol I just read this again

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I am on my fucking phone asshat. I said I would post more when I can get to a computer. If you REALLY a wanted answer why did you put someone at -1. More bullshit from you. Aj will hang today what is the hurry? Did I all of the sudden stop looking like scum to you? Actions > words.

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How mad are you I caught you so early?

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I am on my fucking phone asshat. I said I would post more when I can get to a computer. If you REALLY a wanted answer why did you put someone at -1. More bullshit from you. Aj will hang today what is the hurry? Did I all of the sudden stop looking like scum to you? Actions > words.

I changed my mind about wanting an answer. It's clear that you have no intention of answering so I've made up my mind to lynch Aj The Epic, then lynch you.

Phone posting is not an excuse when you could have answered the questions instead of posting what you just did. Instead of answering, you decide to complain about being on a phone, talk about something else, and call me an asshat.

You are welcome to answer (if you want), but I gave you enough chances to convince me that you are town. You blew them all.

Okay everyone sees these lies right? I have only said 2-3 times today I will post more when I get in front an actual computer. I think that might happen tomorrow.

This guy is scum.

" I think you are scum but want you to convince me you are town"
"I think person x is scum. Person claimed doc but didn't get naked, but I am going to vote person y"
" answer my questions"....(okay, Ned to get in front of a computer) " I am going to vote person x putting him at -1"

He is not actually doing what he says he is doing. Look at the actions. Aj will die today. Why vote NOW? Don't you want to see if I will answer your question. This scumbag is not scum hunting.

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Naked= nked

God damn I hate playing this game through aphone

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Those are not answers. How did you manage to post those on a phone but couldn't answer my questions?

Sorry, not convinced. You can hang tomorrow.

What part of I am on my fucking phone are you not getting? It is a pain in the ass to navigate this sight in my phone. I imagine your questions will require me to look back at shit. You keep trying throw shit in the fan. For the third fucking time when I get in front of a god dn computer I will look at the post. Of course I don't think you really want me to answer anything. You just want to keep saying I wont. That fits the picture your scummy ass is trying to paint.

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I think he's not answering my questions on purpose in order to create a distraction about them. It won't take long or necessitate a computer to explain "I voted Xtoxm because ___," I voted OceanWind early in the game because _____."

Does anyone else believe this?

It fucking does. It will require to go back and quote multiple posts in the same post. Quoting this one post is a fucking pain. Though I can answe xtoxm now it was gut. Now I will have to back and see what triggered said but. B

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@OW
Why is Alchemist town?

Play around TKoE lynch. Llamafluff was nearly hammered but he stayed to switch. That's the sort of the thing scum find hard to do because if you nearly have a mislynch set in stone, you don't want to give it away. It was at a time where he would know that if he switched, TKoE was really going to get lynched.

That and I thought his reason for townreading me was pretty accurate and the timing as well.

Do you disagree or you just wanted to get my reasoning out there?

I thought he was scummy early in the day and I think his latest post was terribly scummy. I'm willing to lynch him for that alone.

I wouldn't put that much stock into not hammering Llama because anyone who hammered him at that point would be putting themselves in a shitty position.

Why is me hammering llama different than me hammering tkoe?

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I thought ckd was town before because his reads changed naturally but I'm not sold on that read. He's mostly just there for me. Could be scum, could not be. Sorry that's a shitty read. :/

Explain exactly which read is shitty and why.

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I imagine your questions will require me to look back at shit.

You could have said this the first time and saved a lot of useless arguments. You have time so get to it when you can.

Also, re-read the thread again.

I feel like I did.

And again if you really think I am scum as you want everyone to believe why are you urging me to reread the thread? It doesn't make since.

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misread it. Thought you were saying my read was shirty.

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And shitty

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omg
still on phone. now with snow coming, worked is slammed.
i realize this is sounding like a broken record. most of my reads have been gut.
was right when I called tkoe out for "scum do something scummy comment". pretty sure i am right about AJ and OW.

at any rate. I also realize I could be a distraction.

vote AJ

yeah yeah, i get I didnt get to answer anything. but really i doubt anything I say will sway OW. he is either scum or tunneling.

not going to have time to really post anything anytime soon.

I hope by me hammering the game is over.

or

I am killed tonight (doubtful).

or

I am investigated and vindicated as town (hopeful)

or

OW is investigated and proven to be scum (fuck that would be wonderful).

at any rate. let the trolling begin.

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Thanks for game.

Sorry for issues with posting and this phone. Was hoping I could still play this game without providing my normal amount of input. Still didn't do to bad was right about the things that seemed scummy about Aj and tkoe. But wrong about OW. This is life.