Mini 1763 - Game OV

[Lapsa]

late to the party, didn't receive mafiascum emails for some reason

[Lapsa]

Lapsa I haven't forgotten your atrocious gambit that got me killed.
I can't recall any games where I was PR and a town member got me killed like that.
I 've got my eye on you.

it was your distrust that initiated it - you missed tryinging

had had scum neighborizers in 2 consequitive games and that odd modifier made shit way too confusing

[Lapsa]

kain -> soap
garm -> lapsa
rc -> boonskies
lemon -> kain
soap -> fuckyou
mario -> soap
perf -> katsu
fuckyou -> kain
mario -> kain
kain -> mario
perf -> lapsa
garm -> lapsa
rc -> lapsa
iron -> mario
soap -> iron
kain -> soap

3 kain: lemon fuckyou mario
2 lapsa: garm perf =garm rc
1 soap: -kain -mario kain
1 mario: -kain iron
1 iron: soap
0 boonskies: -rc
0 fuckyou: -soap
0 katsu: -perf

[Lapsa]

VOTE: KainTepes

[Lapsa]

because i am AGGRESSIVE

what do you find aggressive in your own behavior?

[Lapsa]

@KainTepes my guess is that FM means forum mafia

[Lapsa]

@iron what do you think about mario?

[Lapsa]

kain -> soap
garm -> lapsa
rc -> boonskies
lemon -> kain
soap -> fuckyou
mario -> soap
perf -> katsu
fuckyou -> kain
mario -> kain
kain -> mario
perf -> lapsa
garm -> lapsa
rc -> lapsa
iron -> mario
katsu -> lapsa
soap -> iron
kain -> soap
lapsa -> kain

4 kain: lemon fuckyou mario lapsa
4 lapsa: garm perf =garm rc katsu
1 soap: -kain -mario kain
1 mario: -kain iron
1 iron: soap
0 boonskies: -rc
0 fuckyou: -soap
0 katsu: -perf

[Lapsa]

@kain yes

[Lapsa]

@kain vote is sufficient and you are ignoring me

[Lapsa]

because i am AGGRESSIVE

what do you find aggressive in your own behavior?

@kain you didn't answer to my question

[Lapsa]

@kain that's an awful answer with an unclear addressee. how is that aggressive?

[Lapsa]

his d1 80 vote on Soap for no valid reason, was scummy

seems like an attempt at buddying soap

VOTE: SOAPBAR

EVIL PLAYER

idea resonates well with his entrance and bullshit about aggressively hunting evil doers

[Lapsa]

I didn't miss anything

you did. my obvious hint that i'm desperate to figure out who's your recruit

[Lapsa]

where the fuck are you pulling "buddy attempt" from.

perf's critique of kain's vote is an indirect defence of soap

[Lapsa]

there's way too much douchebaggery and that's hurting town

most guilty: katsu, boon, kain, rc

[Lapsa]

WHY?

how could i know?

trying to hide PR, "clever" scumhunting techniques, scum confusion

[Lapsa]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[Lapsa]

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

I loathe you utterly to the depth of my person.

asdf qwerty

[Lapsa]

I guess we'll just agree to disagree as clearly you believe fake claims are an oh-so-fabulous strategy for us to win against scum.

i don't believe that. town fake claims are dangerous. it didn't work out well

but i disagree that it was a total failure and that it was all my fault

[Lapsa]

without explanation

there's way too much douchebaggery and that's hurting town

[Lapsa]

What is douchebaggery, I searched mafiascum wiki and could not find it???

douchebaggery

[Lapsa]

????????????????????????????
??????????????????????????????????

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lapsa]

I dont understand so are you calling me a douchebaggery or are you calling Cowbaells douchebaggery????

i don't understand what you don't understand about calling and being understood in this misunderstanding. could you explain?

[Lapsa]

don't try to trick me!!! I know your sentence doesnt make sense, so are you calling me or RadiantCowballs douchebaggery??

i'm trying not to trick your sentence. it senses makes a lot. why are you not answering me?

[Lapsa]

@garm

depends on lot of things. even in circus game that move had a chance to end up being brilliant

speaking of kain - perhaps so. although i would expect faster adaptation

about boon - that's kind a his regular play. heavy lurking and a lot of bullshit.

fun fact: Titus refused to replace in a game because it had boonskies in it. i don't blame her
fun fact #2: boonskies likes to instahammer when there's an opportunity

well - at the moment i'm not feeling scumvibes out of perf.
although your perspective seems kind a sensible and genuine - i'm gonna fence sit on perf

[Lapsa]

it wouldn't

you forgot that i had no clue about 1 shot modifier.
i'm including that into equation

and i'm speaking about scenario when fake claim goes through covertly.
which means - you wouldn't be mislynched but i would eventually take a bullet for you

[Lapsa]

lapsa if you don't unvote me I will vote you and literally never unvote you for the remainder of the game until one of us dies.

this includes lylo.

that's an omgus. do so if you suppose that's gonna help town

[Lapsa]

@boon could you tell me about katsu a bit? seems like you know each other

[Lapsa]

understand understand the concept of love

[Lapsa]

I don't at all like the way that Lapsa backed off from me because of this.

I think he was trying to look bold but is now trying to get the pressure away.

here's a problem:
by saying factually incorrect allegations and making it seem as if that's intentional you are taking no responsibility over whatsoever

in this case - i haven't backed off from you

and i do agree with Kain on #251

another example:
your bullshit about dayvigging (#150, #154, #156) can be interpreted as vig crumb.
i can see that as asking for immunity over nothing as scum fake claiming vig is fairly easy to pull off

@rc is that bold enough?

[Lapsa]

So I'm moving onto your scum list, but I should still vote Performer?
Strange how I can be both scum-aligned and town-aligned at the same time.

^ i'm not seeing that

[Lapsa]

i find perf !mafia interaction weird

perf, for the first time i'm getting scumvibes out of you

[Lapsa]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Lapsa]

I don't believe I've played with you? Have I?

yes, you have

[Lapsa]

lemon, i liked your reaction

my vote on !mafia is for same reasons i voted rc

haven't done much about perf !mafia interaction yet apart from commenting on it

[Lapsa]

@Lapsa what specifically do you find weird about Not_Mafia and my interaction?

in my mind - town perf is very paranoid. i'm not seeing that

!mafia (i'm gonna call him foo) seems fairly disinterested in game

his #277 feels empty - random quotes is what i see

on #281 foo is defending you

you aren't familiar with foo yet seem to be uncannily friendly (e.g. #278)
+ bullshit about bulletproof claim

[Lapsa]

@perf i find your reaction tests stupid. problem is that i can't say same about you

[Lapsa]

prodding ChaosOmega

[Lapsa]

@soap because they are actively scumhunting or wanna pretend masons

[Lapsa]

VOTE: FA_Q2

i like performer bit better. that's about it

[Lapsa]

i'm ok with that

VOTE: iraonavp

here's a good discriminator:

@Lapsa what specifically do you find weird about Not_Mafia and my interaction?

Me neither really, when I look back at it.

[Lapsa]

Garmr's a bad vote.

furthering town-aligned wincon

[Lapsa]

yes. post 441

is

furthering town-aligned wincon.

awww... how sweet of you

[Lapsa]

@idiot, you should place a vote

[Lapsa]

Lapsa lynch might just be because I really don't want to be in a game with Kain and Lapsa alive. Oi...

don't you worry, i'm gonna be brutally aggressive on him

[Lapsa]

6 iron: garm mario irch lapsa perf fuckyou

L-1

4 fuckyou: foo lemon lapsa iron
3 perf: katsu boon soap
1 mario: kain

[Lapsa]

sorry...

6 iron: garm mario irch lapsa perf fuckyou

L-1

3 fuckyou: foo lemon iron
3 perf: katsu boon soap
1 mario: kain

[Lapsa]

51.531637281%

one such post was more than enough

as it seems to me - you are accusing irch for overcomplicating his language and figures to deliberately fake credibility
^ i find that to be a valid point

problem is that irch has been consistent with his rigidness and that can be more of a personal trait than actual game manipulation

combined with fact that you have jumpvoted around twice in such a quick succession makes your defense to look appalling

@iron do you scumread irch and what are your other reads?

[Lapsa]

hi clown

[Lapsa]

hi clown

Lapsa, thoughts?

about clown?

we played a game together awhile ago

about slot - uncertain. had town vibes from lemon and clown hasn't screwed it yet

[Lapsa]

Lapsa, thoughts?

and i partly agree about

boon

normally i don't get town vibes from boon.
(apart from his today's aggression on me)

but that's a stupid argument to chase.
need to dig deeper on that fella


rest of clown reads aligns with mine too


about

ircher

- most peculiar thing is rc replacing out.
i find that to be town indicative as if rc was genuinely frustrated.
less probable version would be rc+boon scum team

but then again - ircher has put some fair amount of work building that reads list.
there's couple of points i disagree with, but it seems legit

i'm struggling to see scum intent on giving readslist away - there was no pressure and it wasn't certain that iron mislynch would go through.
although ircher did appear as if he's trying to distance himself from lunchwagon.
then again - could be that most leading wagons were mislynches anyway so it didn't matter where exactly pressure got applied.
then again - town would avoid no-lynch no matter what so exposing himself was unnecessary



about

kain

: 30s phase is a new knowledge to me. strenghtens townread

clown's remark of him being a thor alt is bit odd.
seems targetted to me because of alt-bullshit in game we played together.
i guess that would be funny though


and now i'm getting sentimental - i miss fucking around with thor

[Lapsa]

placement on Irao, stance on it, and FA.

would argue it's better than yours

[Lapsa]

it is,

kain

boon

you pseudo-voted iron and then hammered him
(ircher, where da fuck is your pounding? oh right, that was bullshit all along)

and it's actually a bad thing you didn't vote for fuckyou.
for a scum - it's irrational to pressure somebody and then NK

either you are bad at trying to frame me or just farming reactions.
for now - gonna settle with 2nd option

[Lapsa]

That's the extent of your rebuttal to Boon?

what's

that

?

And droog missed me on his reads list for some reason, as did you.

you missed everybody

[Lapsa]

sheeping irch

VOTE: Katsuki

[Lapsa]

I can't tell if you are being genuine or are scum buddying to me. You do realize your on my "next to lynch" list, right?

you seem to enjoy desolation

UNVOTE:

[Lapsa]

Yup, not genuine

bite me

[Lapsa]

I'm convinced about Lapsa now

same stupid shit paranoia from last game

go ahead and fuck up this game.
just try not to blame me again this time

on the bright side - i suppose that's a towntell

[Lapsa]

Gah. I'm so torn. Performer voting Lapsa messes all my reads up.

your reads are garbage

[Lapsa]

VOTE: Lapsa
Esp. after that buddy attempt

sideline jabs...

MOTHERFUCKING SIDELINE JABS

half of playerbase lurks and that's your biggest problem, perf?

i have answered all your fucking questions to my best ability

and what's that shit about constant turnaround posts?
how dare you ask me for reads when everything you have exposed is just a piece of shit, weakass push on me?

and then you just backstab me by placing a vote and asking others to sheep you

is that how town works together? screw you

that's your paycheck - i'm boycotting this bullshit.
won't place a single vote - appareantly that's just scum buddying

will occasionally prod-dodge by posting:

.

ain't giving rat's ass, do whatever you want - ruin this game.
you want to make a lynch bait out of me - here you go

[Lapsa]

one last thing -

soapbar is scum

double bind that shit and don't lynch him yet

[Lapsa]

atrocious timing

from my perspective - mario is bussing soapbar

a solid scumread from now on

[Lapsa]

+ charade on extremely important subject

[Lapsa]

100% scum soapbar
99.99% scum mario

and 3rd* musketeer is to be found here:

Not_Mafia
KainTepes

Katsuki

very unlikely - here:

Garmr
Boonskiies
droog

Ircher
Performer

* assuming there's 3 ofc

[Lapsa]

I changed your mind

impressive

[Lapsa]

kain,

if

you are town

i want you to stop feeding mario

(and soapbar too)

don't reply to him

at the moment you are harmful

feel free to lurk

[Lapsa]

Now, I'm being serious here:
Why should I believe you are town?
If you can provide a logical, thought-out reason based on facts, then I may be inclined to join your Mario wagon.

tbh, i'm not asking you to sheep me

i'm not so sure that i want mario lynched

scenarios:
1. lapsa lynch -> ? NK -> soap lynch tomorrow
2. soap lynch -> lapsa NK -> ? lynch
3. mario lynch -> ? NK -> ? lynch + scum running out of time
4. ? lynch -> ? NK -> ? lynch + scum running out of time

i suppose mario lynch would be acceptable but i think town would lose tempo.
so at the moment i'm prefering 4th scenario and just enjoying shit fest

and stop asking serious questions.
it will look as if you are townreading me

[Lapsa]

Not_Mafia
KainTepes

Katsuki

sorry kain. i don't believe you are brain dead

KainTepes
Not_Mafia

Katsuki

[Lapsa]

and about lapsa's 'tempo'

i believe you doubt whole conundrum i've created

but just in case you honestly find specifically tempo idea puzzling:

the idea is that mario scum flip would progress game in such a state that it's easier for remaining scum to lie

so today is very important - town has a chance to gather loads of information to corner scum later on

coolest thing for town would be to beat the claim out of mario

^ although he would probably just give up and get lynched

if that's the approach town wants to go - pressuring mario should be done asap so there's enough room to back off

soap claim would be awesome too,
but that's town bluffing - soap can afford to ignore that and just trade his lynch for NK on me

[Lapsa]

VOTE: Katsuki

you are weakest out of my scumreads, katsu, but i definitely want you to speak up

in failure to do so - i won't mind your lynch

[Lapsa]

So as the biggest wagon, I would bus Soap immediately after the first suspicion.
Also, why should anyone treat your reads as better as any other? I can tell you right now you're wrong on at least one player.
And despite being certain on two scum you decide to do nothing and let them fly by?
No. Your Town POV makes no sense.
VOTE: Lapsa

i'm not a fan talking to scum.
but since we do need to fuck you up...

So as the biggest wagon, I would bus Soap immediately after the first suspicion

true. if there were such a situation with main wagon on you and second on soap

but there isn't

and that is precisely the reason you revealed yourself.
that's the first instinct - to immediately bus soap

uh oh - there's no wagon, got to start one... Q: why? A: [insert_some_bullshit_about_KainTepes_here]

and that's after i explicitly said that i'm against lynching soap.
there is NO town intent for your #599. it's just a scumslip

Also, why should anyone treat your reads as better as any other?

for starters - because i've indirectly claimed PR

ain't you afraid to lynch town PR?
your vote on me looks even more anti-town than your short-lived pressure on soap

and i've been fairly consistent whole game.
e.g. - perf had trouble coming up with anything better than "sideline jabs"

And despite being certain on two scum you decide to do nothing and let them fly by?

^ well go ahead and try doing so. that's the beauty of this - it's you who's getting strangled, i'm chill

No. Your Town POV makes no sense.

^ it certainly does. soap is confirmed scum and you are actively fighting for him

[Lapsa]

^ "for your #598"

[Lapsa]

and one thing I don't do as scum is sheep the biggest wagon onto a buddy.

what da fuck are you talking about?

there was NO wagon on soap when i posted #594

you are just juggling kain d1 wagon and theoretical soap wagon for coverup

News flash: I didn't care if you wanted to lynch Soapbar. What mattered was that I did.
And my d1 case on KT wasn't bullshit. Wrong, probably. But not BS

mixing stuff once again. you claim not caring about soap lynch yet in next sentence you claim caring about

something

rest is beating dead horse on kain once again

[Lapsa]

caring -> doing

not that it's of utmost importance though

[Lapsa]

the idea is that mario scum flip would progress game in such a state that it's easier for remaining scum to lie

droog, and that's because there's more of them as counterintuitive that might sound

scumteam is forced to act but are struggling to figure out which one appeals more to the masses and should be designated to fake the good guy.

their moves must be made in unison and weight of themselves is crushing ability to navigate through the mess
== hence more vulnerable

that's the reason i'm hesitant lynching mario

[Lapsa]

So as the biggest wagon, I would bus Soap immediately after the first suspicion.

I misworded the first part. I dislike bussing as scum, and one thing I don't do as scum is sheep the biggest wagon onto a buddy.

VOTE: Soapbar
For seeing 4 wagons and not voting on one.

is this the wagon you are talking about?
the one in which you would never sheep x to your scumbuddy soap?

first of all, you are factually incorrect.
it was not "biggest wagon" - you made it biggest

and, holy crap, dude - proportions are laughable.
that's RVS, post #10, four 1vote wagons and 2vote soap wagon

that looks to be designed as a coverup more than anything.
and how coincidental that you brought this up

you even got included an excuse to unvote in that post - that you are just advocating for building wagons

is that what you base your defence upon? seriously?

[Lapsa]

And my d1 case on KT wasn't bullshit. Wrong, probably. But not BS.

and then you continue as if you were talking about bussing kain.

huh? wtf?

does that imply that kain is your scumbuddy?
is that what you are trying to say?

mario, you should explain your point more thoroughly

[Lapsa]

also where the fuck did this Soapbar is conf scum thing come from.

I wanted to get to that but I was too busy misreading Mario's post.

you've been misreading for quite awhile

would like to emphasize how silent you are

[Lapsa]

No, I'm saying that if you say that "Omg soapbar is scum" my immediate first instinct as scum wouldn't be to bus. It'd be to just ignore, or dismiss, it.

great, dodge my questions

ignore or dismiss you say?

trust me - it looks suspicious as fuck that you and soap both lurk for days and then suddenly explode thread with diarrhea about RVS kain wagon,

completely ignoring way more important stuff like iron mislynch, fuckyou NK, wagon on me, my claim on soap

then why da fuck do you ignore/dismiss my claim? don't you find that important?
couldn't i be scum fake claiming? how about speculations about town fake claim? ANY kind of reaction to that?
why are you still stuck in RVS despite that it's day2, we got 2 flips and there's so much stuff going on?

ummmmmmmm. I have some news. The universe doesn't revolve around you.
I didn't care if YOU wanted to lynch Soapbar at that point, because you had nothing to do with my case on him.
and rest is saying it wasn't total bs which you said it was. zzzzzzz misrep like literally everything else in this excuse for a "case" zzzzzzz.

it does revolve around me

you hadn't pressured soap since d1 RVS and then suddenly he's scum because [whatever_bullshit_about_kain]

there is no other sensible explanation for your sudden activity boom on page 25 than to believe it's related to my claim

this one's a fucking gem:

And my d1 case on KT wasn't bullshit. Wrong, probably. But not BS.

and then you continue as if you were talking about bussing kain.

huh? wtf?

does that imply that kain is your scumbuddy?
is that what you are trying to say?

mario, you should explain your point more thoroughly

no, i'm saying it's completely wrong to paint it as scum bullshitting.

my dear scum friend...

it's not your RVS kain megacase (omg, kain, y u no wagoning?) what i call "scum bullshitting"

what i do call scum bullshitting is your sudden explosion on page 25, your insistence on bringing this kain topic in foreground

THAT is what i call scum bullshitting. a charade to spam thread into oblivion because who da hell wants to think about village idiot KAINTEPEZZZZZZ

[Lapsa]

Lynch Lapsa, and if Lapsa isn't scum....lynch Performer or myself because, but Lapsa WILL flip scum.

no boon, i won't flip scum.
gonna assume that you are faking your scumread.
careful though - you risk lynching town PR

and i will bring you up a notch:

Boonskiies
Garmr
Performer
droog

Ircher

so much this. yet when town is right, scum is pissed.

if you think i'm pissed at you, you are wrong. i was tiny bit angry on perf because of his stupid ass sideline jabs.
i really think he should know me better. rest is business as usual

i did hope to fly under radar, but it seemed i wouldn't make this day through so i just claimed my results (with which i got lucky. fun fact - wanted to target irch at first).
that way scumreads on me are put to work in town interests

right after soap`s friendly pro-town "how about replacing out?" post. temptation was irresistible

[Lapsa]

town can be wrong. i don't pretend to like vca.

you pretend that you ignored/dismissed my claim

scum control the nightkill. so we can't base much meaningfullness from that.

^ something sober for a change. good job!

and you claim pr. if you have a guilty on soapbar, i think you would've just said that outright.

and what do you base that upon?

you obviously don't know me but perhaps there's anything in mafia theory on why that should be done immediately?

and yes, you could be scum fakeclaiming. or you could be truthful town.

what a fucking waste of space you are

also: "No. Your Town POV makes no sense."

If you believe my case is bullshit, respond to it.

and i do in case you haven't noticed

Also, here's a reason for the activity burst: I had something to say.

yes. you were forced to bus your scumbuddy and spam thread in order to dillute perceived importance of my claim

And I don't remember bringing KT into this apart from questioning Soap about his stance on him. You've misunderstood me plenty of times.

this one's actually correct

in your discussion with soap, soap brought that up on #601. to create a smokescreen

in your discussion with me, you did that indirectly by mixing things on #635

i already pointed that out:

what da fuck are you talking about?

there was NO wagon on soap when i posted #594

you are just juggling kain d1 wagon and theoretical soap wagon for coverup

[Lapsa]

So you are claiming a guilty on Soap?
i don't mind the odds of getting a scum within two days even if lapsa is scum.

hi5 scumbro - off you go

[Lapsa]

Why are we green?

those are my townreads

but i do think there's slight chance for scum to hide amongst them so i'm sorting them starting with scummiest

at the moment you got 6th place, boon

1. scumlord soap
2. mario

^ those reads won't change. those guys are scum by my book

best candidates for 3rd slot:

3. kain
4. foobar
5. katsu

[Lapsa]

at the moment i would estimate that soap plans to lurk this day and mario to dodge everything

scenarios:
1. lapsa lynch -> ? NK -> soap lynch tomorrow
2. soap lynch -> lapsa NK -> ? lynch
3. mario lynch -> ? NK -> ? lynch + scum running out of time
4. ? lynch -> ? NK -> ? lynch + scum running out of time

forgot to mention another one, worst case:
5. ? lynch -> lapsa NK -> ? lynch

i think that could be direction where game is heading.
aka soap is getting sacrificed with a slight chance to manipulate town enough and avoid lynch tomorrow
^ will mercilessly scorch post-game if that goes through

current votes:

3 lapsa: perf irch mario
2 mario: kain garm
2 katsu: droog Lapsa
1 perf: katsu

2 - soap foobar

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Also, I'm town reading NM.

^ well done. might not buy same trick again

so what has changed is:
1. i'm much more inclined to believe kain is 3rd scum
2. scumread on katsu has weakened
3. foobar has climbed into townread territory
4. perf's townread has weakened

next comes question on how to progress game further

NB: town is also in a tricky situation - there must be more PR`s

one fancy idea to hack this problem would be for me to express acceptance of lurking for designated decoys.
i'm still being publicly scumread so there's enough room to back off out of that saying that no one takes me seriously anyway

"feel free to lurk" list:
garm
droog
irch
perf
katsu
kain

@boon, i want you to interact with soap and mario

ask them for full reads lists - that's the minimum

you got reasoning - there's a chance i might be saying truth.
mario himself admitted that

in case @boon gets ignored, next guy will do the same

if there's 8 ignored 'hey mario/soap, what are your reads?', they will crumble tomorrow no matter what

and i suspect that soap is more likely to slip

[Lapsa]

when mario and soap will give their reads lists, i think that next priority targets are katsu and perf (V/LA is not an excuse)

[Lapsa]

reads list, boon! ^_^

[Lapsa]

godspeed on your quest, brave knight

[Lapsa]

Lapsa, you are claiming Cop with a guilty on me, correct?

i claim scum on you. phishing cockblocked, move along

[Lapsa]

14. 659 - I am interested in knowing why Lapsa townreads me so much. It's kinda unusual, but I don't see too much town motive in doing so. Also, why'd ya wanna target me for your ability if you townread me so much?

you should feel ashamed about forgetting sonic



well, i didn't townread you "so much".
townread has become fairly stable only during day2.
mostly from your actions since i claimed soap!scum

you can find some more bits on #558

i still think that rc replacing out is a towntell.
you can also see that on #558 i have expressed some doubt

on why i didn't target you...

first of all - you were my most fragile read. having such reads has paralyzing effect.
2nd reason is that your reads seemed off just enough that i thought - in case you were town, you are unlikely to be killed and night results wouldn't be totally wasted.
third reason is that i found you heavily influential during end of the day1 and was afraid of scum totally controlling this game

[Lapsa]

damn it. wrote on why i wanted to target you instead of why i didn't

[Lapsa]

from what i recall thinking aka 'why i didn't target you'...

mostly because of rc replacing out

and because there were townreads on you from my townreads.
i think it was boon. garm too iirc

[Lapsa]

and that huge reads list ofc.
why da fuck scum would bother giving it out?

and more on why i did want to:
- i found your push on me bad. felt like you misrepresented me (<-- too lazy for exact quotes atm)
- you scumread me yet voted for iron

perhaps some more stuff i don't care much about anymore and have already forgotten

[Lapsa]

Personally, I wouldn't find RC's replace out towny; RC is really, **really** angry at Boon after Mini 1755.

emotions are hard to fake

i suppose scum rc would just slit boon`s throat during the night

and just from empiric evidence (think SilverWolf) - i've seen several pissed off players replacing out and flipping town

[Lapsa]

So, how bout we pressure Katsu to stop prod dodging then see about lynching {Mario, Soap, Boon, Katsu}

well, since my failsafe decoys are up i guess i'm free to talk...

problem is that i suspect katsu might be PR

11. More prod-dodging by Katsuki in 623 not to mention -- He twisted Lapsa's words to say it was ok for HIM to lurk when it was directed at Kein.

i interpreted #623 as a subtle begging for permission to lurk

but yeah, count me in. as a matter of fact - my vote is already on him

then again - i don't want to be distracted too much on cornering mario/soap

at the moment - both agendas are equally important in my mind

[Lapsa]

on -> from

damn england, i'm half asleep

[Lapsa]

{Mario, Soap, Boon, Katsu}

i'm not a fan of boon lynch but i can play along.
he's much more town than katsu and kain

[Lapsa]

@lapsa

Are going to lynch soap today since you claimed a pr.

well, i'm certainly not in a rush. he's in limbo

there is such a possibility but i haven't decided yet

[Lapsa]

Oh, yeah. Don't use RC's replace out as alignment indicative, though.

well... i'm glad that i did

[Lapsa]

I disagree one the emotions being hard to fake.

ok, let me explain it more precisely...

emotions are easy to fake but it's easy to measure their intensity

when intensity gets disproportionally huge, emotions become selfvalidating

speaking of rc case...

it was another game. by replacing out - rc gains nothing in neither game

[Lapsa]

this would be the worst fishing attempt ever in the history of fishing if i actually was.
I was simply trying to better grasp the situation at hand before doing anything I'll regret. no need to be rude.

pathetic indeed

[Lapsa]

ok.
Lapsa, your case basically boils down to me scumreading lapsa after you softed a guilty. There are two things wrong with this;
1. I didn't actually see the soft.
2. If I did as town, I would have voted Soapbar.

but you did vote

and i don't believe that's because of perf vote

and i believe these one's are also a phishing attempt:

The chance both scum and serial killer

what do you mean, SERIAL KILLER,, how do you know there is a SERIAL KILLER in this game,,??

this.

you are scum mario. nothing you do makes me doubt my read on you

[Lapsa]

I think this is a stupid idea and scum will probably jump on it.

well yeah. issue is that those votes aren't serious enough.
it's kind a predefined that lynch ain't going through

but we got something out of it.
katsu chose to continue active lurking.
good news is that he ain't really touching anything else

[Lapsa]

because i wouldn't lie

powerful argumentation

it's not. correct. it's about his attitude on kaintepes.

To be more specific, he let the "most obvious newbtown of all time" go through suspicion in-thread and just used him as a point against Performer.

and i don't believe that either + #627

3. the first is dismissing the chance of an sk. the second is kt. the third is me pointing out the guilty to boon.
no fishing there!

there's a lot of informative roles

by mentioning serial killer and scum nokilling, you throw in a wildcard,
hoping that i would slip and somehow reveal type of results my ability returns

it's just as pathetic as soap's attempt. and no one else is doing that (apart from kain perhaps)

[Lapsa]

and using the tempo to make sure nobody finds out.

i like this one. it's as if you are using my guns against myself

one of examples why i value you more than soap as a player

[Lapsa]

and i never mentioned ANYTHING about scum nokilling.

lies

The chance both scum and serial killer nokilled N1 is minimal so we can assume that is out of the question.

[Lapsa]

oh lol.
i meant killing fa_q2.

still phishing

i made sure the sk could not be a wildcard and i never mentioned ANYTHING about

scum nokilling

killing fuckyou

.

you upcased ANYTHING.
what's the importance of never mentioning killing fuckyou?

[Lapsa]

Things are spiraling out of control.....

meh. i feel comfy

Ok, my plan: Pressure Katsu into stop prod dodging then lynch Soap & go from there

i doubt katsu will do anything else

and no, by lynching soap town loses double bind on him

it's wisest to lynch mario today

i'm just stalling to build momentum to:
- make town less paranoid
- emphasize that soap keeps lurking despite expressing willingness not to
- secure mario lynch by showing how anti-town he is
- look for remaining scum

[Lapsa]

To be honest, he probably just fell behind in keeping up with the thread, and can't really post anything of actual note because he doesn't know what's going on. That's not alignment indicative, though.

oh come on... stop defending katsu

to ease your mind:
UNVOTE:

[Lapsa]

HOW CAN I CONTRIBUTE?????? I DONT KNOW WHAT ELSE OTHER THAN VOTING MARIO

you could make a wall post (long post with lots of details)

read game from beginning and write down on what do you think about game.
what do you assume players are trying to do

write down what are your reads (including townreads) and reasoning why you read players in one way or another

from A-Z, in natural language, without any bullshitting and scumhunting attempts

there's chance that:
- you are scum who's faking being total newbie (droog immediately mentioned possibility that you could be someone's 2nd account)
- you are town and scum is abusing you

at the moment town is struggling to assess how smart/dumb you are

if you are town and open up yourself enough that town gets convinced you are just newbie,
town won't be forced to lynch you anymore

and yeah - keep your vote on mario

[Lapsa]

SO, I SHOULD MAKE LONG POST??? OKAY I WILL DO THAT..................... i have short attention span so i am SORRY if I AM SLOW,, or if my post gets CONFUSING,,

no one's judging on who you are as a person

just read the game, quote interesting stuff and write down what exactly you are thinking about them

for an example - see irchers post

[Lapsa]

am i doint this right??

kinda

there are missing players.
and try to be more specific why exactly you read each player one way or another

[Lapsa]

i did not miss out, i included EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's no missing players, @Lapsa

indeed. my bad

[Lapsa]

YOU SEEM LESS SCUMMY BUT I CANNOT FORGET THE TIME WHEN RADIANT COWBALLS TRIED TO ONLY FOCUS ON LAPSA,, IT LOOKS LIKE A EXCUSE, AND WHEN I ACCUSED HIM HE DID NOT TALK TO ME,, THEN LATER HE REPLACED OUT,, I DID NOT LIKE IT

try writing reasons for your reads like that for every player

[Lapsa]

That's a readlist which is good too imo.

irch, i'm puzzled now, maybe you could help

- kain looks more genuine as newb town
- foobar unvoted me when i was on L1
- katsu ain't ashamed of lurking and hasn't done anything explicitly scummy

assuming my theory on mario+soap team is correct, who do you think would be their scumbuddy?

[Lapsa]

good job kain, thanks

finally read some of your posts on other threads

i think it's safe to assume you are town

[Lapsa]

DO YOU AGREE WITH ME,, ON MY BELIEFS ABOUT WHO IS THE EVIL PLAYER AND WHO IS INNOCENT?? I know you SUSPECT Mario and Soapbar but what about Radiant Cow and Performer,,

correction - i'm sure about mario and soap

i'm townreading rc->ircher - so i don't agree on that one

i'm unsure about performer at the moment

Also why you suddenly changed your mind?? I find sudden changes very strange??

because i don't think you are faking the way you act.
reading how you behave elsewhere helps to validate that

and much of my scumread on you has to do with my other reads - i just didn't have better suspects

[Lapsa]

irch, #769

[Lapsa]

If you don't mind I'd like to know when exactly you made the softclaim.

one last thing -

soapbar is scum

double bind that shit and don't lynch him yet

not sure how "soft" that is. but yeah, this one's first time i posted about my results

[Lapsa]

VOTE: MarioManiac4

[Lapsa]

For a moment, I thought you were truth claiming a guilty on Soap but if that was the case, we'd have lynched him by now.
I bet you fake claim in your scum games too? Lol.

my dear perf, i'm not liking this

and 5th spot on mario wagon is quite juicy

[Lapsa]

you could at least try to explain why

i made sure the sk could not be a wildcard and i never mentioned ANYTHING about

scum nokilling

killing fuckyou

.

you upcased ANYTHING.
what's the importance of never mentioning killing fuckyou?

[Lapsa]

UNVOTE:

@mario what are your reads?

[Lapsa]

@mario could you do your wagon analysis?

[Lapsa]

@garm what are your reads?

[Lapsa]

If we do not lynch Soapbar today, I 100% refuse to take Lapsa as conf town.

mario, why such stubborness?

don't you agree that's a viable path to take?

what exactly lies beneath 'i 100% refuse to take Lapsa as conf town' ?

is that == lapsa conf scum?

would you change your mind in case soap flips scum later on?

[Lapsa]

i don't know, perf

garm`s attitude towards me has been different than prev game (i remember "drunken" posting), but that prev game might be the cause to that

i townread lemon, that's a thing

[Lapsa]

another thing i have forgot to mention

soap played with fuckyou previously - explains the NK

[Lapsa]

world #1

soap

is scum

mario

is scum (my day2 case on him)

mario interaction with performer seems suspicious

scum candidates:

performer
katsu
foobar

main issue with this world is that i find too many players null/scum besides mario/soap

maybe we are dealing with 4scum team, hard to tell

and mario has become increasingly town

--------

world #2

soap

is scum

mario

is town

perf

is town

scum candidates:

garm
katsu
foobar
droog

this world is starting to seem more probable

Iirc, I've noticed a pattern with Garmr:
-ira voted me>Garmr naked-voted ira
-Mario voted Lapsa>Garmr naked-voted Mario

There's something odd about that pattern.

i do find it suspicious too and garm's defence seems underwhelming:

I was scum reading ira since post 263 and his sudden shift from me to you was what pushed his scummyness because he scum read me for pushing on you and defended you earlier.

With mario It is just gut and had nothing to do with lapsa.

--------

common denominator:

soap

is scum

irch boon kain

are town

katsu foobar

scum candidates

[Lapsa]

So it should be obvious I am town.

but it's not

[Lapsa]

To say mario and performer our both scum if one is scum and how they both are town if ones town is also fucking stupid I just went over over how they can't both be scum together from soaps posts. Yes they can be town together but I don't think they could be scum together.

as i said, world #1 looks more and more improbable

one of the reasons is that mario-perf interaction makes little sense

[Lapsa]

Has anyone seen Lapsa?

i have

[Lapsa]

.

[Lapsa]

good luck, townies

[Lapsa]

.

[Lapsa]

mario is likely to be town

[Lapsa]

it's the same as the one I used to call out Skybird, who happened to be Mafia Role Cop.

i happen to think that's not the same

[Lapsa]

Let's see if anyone else spots it first, I don't want to spoil the fun!

that's impossible

[Lapsa]

[Lapsa]

evolved

[Lapsa]

bringer, who's scum?

[Lapsa]

to be fair - i'm not a fan of this cult nonsense

cults are not normal on mafiascum - so there's definitely not a cult in this game

should that be taken as a hint for appalling town communication?
as if town acts like culstists with their 3rd party agenda?

is that a secret-handshake, silent promise to sheep each other?

another option is that whole this mess is a hint for mason existence.
those are allowed in normal games

then again, afaik masons can't recruit - lately bunch of "new masoncultists" have jumped onto this crazy train.
maybe just out of boredom?

and it's noteworthy how KainTepes targeted all of this is
(I AM KAIN TEPES!!! ; cow avatars).

what's the meaning behind that?

all i do know - game seems to be stagnating big time

[Lapsa]

thank you

you don't think there's any scum left?

[Lapsa]

Yeah, 1 scum in a game is standard.
The mod(s) trolling us by continuing this game.

So obvious by everyone else.

is that your strategy? to peer pressure everyone who asks you for your reads?

[Lapsa]

i'm sorry, was just asking who do you think is scum

[Lapsa]

yeah, star wars reference was awesome. i love it so much

[Lapsa]

Welcome lapsa

pisskop, i never received dead thread link

[Lapsa]

Also @Lapsa

dude
did you actually check Soapbar or were you faking a guilty?

If you did, then going forward - please reveal your full role and mention your action you did and who you did it on. Otherwise others will scumread you , thinking you lied.

Mentioning that you were investigative and got a guilty on Soap, then the next day you claimed to have checked someone who died - skeptics who don't easily trust others, will need more than that.

It's always a good move, if you found someone to be guilty, to full claim your role. 1 town for 1 scum is worth it.

i obviously did check soap

soap got lynched. that's job done. mild scumread on PR is a good thing, perf

lied about mario to hide odd role modifier. btw, here's a crumb:

and that

odd modifier

made shit way too confusing

you had 1-shot mod in prev game. there's not too much oddness to that. thought you might figure it out

i was wrong thinking that one of not_mafia/garm has to be scum, gave too much credit to Kain Tepes

apart from that - my reads were quite spot on

took participation only in day1 mislynch

[Lapsa]

and I didn't even get close to getting suspected

i did suspect you. especially after perf died. too much PR wannabes