Mini 1763 - Game OV

[iraonavp]

VOTE: MarioManiac4

[iraonavp]

Hmm. It appears I forgot about iraonavp.
I looked him up and fortunately there's meta on him as well as other players in that game, who're in this game:
forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64581

Indeed so. This is why I strongly believe that Soapbar is town-aligned in this game.

[iraonavp]

So we can't be buddies?

[iraonavp]

Hmm. It appears I forgot about iraonavp.
I looked him up and fortunately there's meta on him as well as other players in that game, who're in this game:
forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64581

Indeed so. This is why I strongly believe that Soapbar is town-aligned in this game.

Can you offer a bit of insight into this? What kind of meta is it that makes you think 3 pages of nothing looks strongly town-sided?

It's a feeling which may be difficult to quantify, but still a strong one. He sounds completely different here to how he sounded in the other game.

[iraonavp]

I think Kain's reaction was scummy, so I'll keep my vote on him.

VOTE: MarioManiac Jumping on vote trend is suspicious, it is a common tell in TOS and you fell right into it!!

After panicking, OMGUS's the player. Note that when I talked about wagoning earlier he didn't find it suspicious. But when I vote him?

So you are all trying to lynch me now?? But I am town,

Flailing and AtE in the same post. Clearly distressed. I think this level of defensiveness probably comes from mafia

I have a lot of time now but people post slow and vote anyhow, any way why is jumping on vote trend not a tell here?? It is a MAJOR tell in TOS,

Because of things like this. It's quite easy to get reactions out of a wagon, which gets the game going.

I prefer the KT wagon to anything else so far.

KainTepes seems like a very inexperienced player. Do you have knowledge of his alignment?

[iraonavp]

ANSWER MY QUESTION...! A "FEELING" IS NOT AN ANSWER. WHAT DID HE DO TO MAKE YOU THINK HE IS TOWN?? EVIL PLAYERS CAN STILL FAKE PRETENDING TO BE GOOD...

He seems a lot more relaxed in this game. I don't think he's scum-aligned pretending to be town-aligned, since I've previously witnessed him doing this!

[iraonavp]

I am NOT inexperienced I have 1000 GAMES ON TOS

Inexperienced on this site was what I meant.

[iraonavp]

NO.

FRIENDS ARE FOR THE WEAK.

IF YOU WISH TO SURVIVE YOU MUST. LYNCH. EVERYONE

Why do people think soapbar is town when he post like that??

KainTepes, what about this post do you think is making "people" read Soapbar as town-aligned?

Nobody other than you even commented on the post you quoted.

[iraonavp]

Oh, you didn't meant to quote that post. I failed to connect that somehow, never mind!

[iraonavp]

VOTE: SOAPBAR

EVIL PLAYER

I'm sure he was joking, just how you were joking when you made posts like this.

[iraonavp]

He is the wagon I like the most though, since he's the only actual substantial wagon at this point, so my vote stays where it is.

Would you say that you agree with the arguments raised by MarioManiac4 in 79?

[iraonavp]

No, don't claim your role yet. Only do that if you're at L-1 and someone says they intend to hammer you.

[iraonavp]

I think his "case" on KainTepes was too forceful and had a lot of buzzwords. There was some meh RVS gut stuff that I saw which made me vote for him initially.

[iraonavp]

do you all think i am too loud... should i stop posting...?? ):

The all caps was a bit obnoxious, but I don't mind if you post a lot!

[iraonavp]

Hmm. It appears I forgot about iraonavp.
I looked him up and fortunately there's meta on him as well as other players in that game, who're in this game:
forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=64581

Indeed so. This is why I strongly believe that Soapbar is town-aligned in this game.

Can you offer a bit of insight into this? What kind of meta is it that makes you think 3 pages of nothing looks strongly town-sided?

It's a feeling which may be difficult to quantify, but still a strong one. He sounds completely different here to how he sounded in the other game.

I don't like this. In Mini 1747, which is the game I assume you're referring to as it's his only scum game that I could find, he had this to say:

VOTE: Swordsworth

Swordsworth, FA_Q2, Hawk Scum team GG WP boys

I know it isn't much, but you can clearly see the similarities in his post style from game to game. Plus, this is the only post that Soapbar made before actual cases started being built. I'm not saying I think he's scum, he posted like this in his town games too, just that you can't base a town read in RVS off of something like this, especially when it's

also something he does as scum.

The rest of Soapbar's play in that game felt rather stiff (see the very next post in his 1747 ISO!), but here he's engaging in conversation in a way that feels markedly more fluid.

And there's still a gut-ish aspect of how I'm reading Soapbar as confirmed town-aligned which I haven't adequately expressed, so it's not like that's the only reason.

Is there something wrong here, though? Do you think either Soapbar or I are scum-aligned?

[iraonavp]

so as long as i dont use capital letters i can post a lot without being hated??

Precisely!

[iraonavp]

I think his "case" on KainTepes was too forceful and had a lot of buzzwords. There was some meh RVS gut stuff that I saw which made me vote for him initially.

ummm... how was it forceful? i'll give you that it's not the best. but i'm not sure how it's "forceful". you're saying "oh he used "buzzwords" aka words which must be indicative of scum in the first place to be used as a buzzword."
Buzzwords are paradoxes.

Okay, if it makes you feel better then maybe I caught you for the wrong reasons!

[iraonavp]

his d1 80 vote on Soap for no valid reason, was scummy

Perhaps it was a poor vote, but how is it scummy?

[iraonavp]

Are you feeling okay, RadiantCowbells?

[iraonavp]

I transitioned. I always inherently find you scum and vote you early. I don't like Irao's vibe. The posts seem like a 'trying to post-trying not to take a side' kind of deal, which is enforced by him voting Mario who is like the easiest person to vote for no reason on this entire site.

I've taken a side on Soapbar and MarioManiac4, so I don't think that's a fair statement.

You mention Mario being very easy to vote for no reason, I am unaware of this and find him to look scum-aligned. In the context of your experience with him, do you think his behavior so far has been null?

[iraonavp]

Okay, if it makes you feel better then maybe I caught you for the wrong reasons!

What is this? Can you outline a little better how you feel about MarioManiac? The only case you seem to have on him is "The Kain wagon is bad and you should feel bad, stop using buzzwords." Why didn't you respond properly to his defence?

My vote didn't have a very concrete basis to start with, so I'm not too concerned at this point about whether or not MarioManiac is an innocent victim of buzzword abuse. I mostly voted MarioManiac because I felt he was scum, and maybe I'm not entirely sure why I felt that.

[iraonavp]

>says i have knowledge of his alignment. keep in mind this implies he thinks we're mafia together

About this, I did think you were mafia together for a bit. But I soon realized that this probably wasn't so, that's why I didn't bring it up again.

[iraonavp]

InsidiousLemons, are you satisfied with the current position of your vote?

[iraonavp]

- using an enormous amount of gel to spike the hair porcupine style

Kinda this one?

[iraonavp]

I guess we'll just agree to disagree as clearly you believe fake claims are an oh-so-fabulous strategy for us to win against scum.

i don't believe that. town fake claims are dangerous. it didn't work out well

but i disagree that it was a total failure and that it was all my fault

Depends on the claim tbh I can see a bullet proof claim as not that bad if they are widely town read/confirmed town if they are vanilla.


Honestly don't have much on a scum read but I have a strong feeling kain is town. His acting how you would in a tos game in a tos game claiming allows you to win faster since there is no vanilla town. Everything he says comes along as honest and not understanding. The fact he is eager to claim now probably indicates he is town and scum I think he would be very hesitant to do so according to tos meta.


I think boon is acting weird his says he finds me inherently scummy yet he votes me and says he doesn't find me scummy after a couple of post when I pretty much did jack shit between that transition. It's not really scummy just weird.

Performer comes off as incredibly scummy. What I noticed is his habit to push his own version into things. Like my original vote on lapsa he was saying was that because of last game. Then 146 was him trying to put anyone on the same wagon after him in a bad light even through it was rvs. I think his going for low hanging fruit with his vote on kain and boon.

VOTE: Performer

That's a silly reason to suspect Boonskiies, I think he probably read the thread between those posts, or he just changed his mind. I don't see why that's more likely to come from a scum-aligned player.

I don't get the Performer wagon in general, I think Performer is okay. But meh.

In general, this post feels forced and scummy. Most of your posts do really. I think that your strong town-aligned read on KainTepes is poorly backed up and you're just throwing town-aligned reads on town-aligned players who play strangely. I've done this before when I was scum-aligned. You can say "oh kain is town, performer is scum for pushing obvtown kain". I personally wasn't sure what alignment KainTepes is and I think most of his behavior is null. But when you flip scum-aligned, I'll be sure that KainTepes is town-aligned.

VOTE: Garmr

[iraonavp]

So I'm moving onto your scum list, but I should still vote Performer? Strange how I can be both scum-aligned and town-aligned at the same time.

[iraonavp]

I'll catch up tomorrow.

[iraonavp]

So I'm moving onto your scum list, but I should still vote Performer?
Strange how I can be both scum-aligned and town-aligned at the same time.

^ i'm not seeing that

Me neither really, when I look back at it.

honestly i cant say any wagon has much merit yet. the only reasons given for performer were by garmr and i don't think his point is any good; low-hanging fruit is a bad scumtell because nothing rules these players out from being scum and you're just saying people have to think they're town. performer covered the first point already.
id says he doesnt like earlygame inactivity which i dont really think is a tell.
ill let boon respond to #175 but i dont think its a good reason either.
performer's vote was to do with no-reason vote, again not a good reason.

basically i'm going to be That Guy who sits in the corner and criticizes wagons till either i or somebody else finds something scummy.

Doing this is anti-town, at the very least put your vote somewhere.

You can even vote me if you want. That's marginally better than not voting.

[iraonavp]

FA_Q2's last few posts are awful

I agree.

[iraonavp]

FA_Q2's last few posts are awful

I agree.

Again, because?

They're awful posts.

[iraonavp]

Maybe my vote is in the wrong place, Performer.

VOTE: Performer

[iraonavp]

UNVOTE: performer

VOTE: Ironavp

"Ironavp" is not a player in this game! Hint: try "iraonavp".

[iraonavp]

BUT MARIO I GET ANGRY WHEN PEOPLE SCUMREAD ME WHEN I AM OBVIOUSLY TOWN.... IT MAKES ME ANGRY BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE A PERSONAL ATTACK

Why do you think you are obviously town-aligned?

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Performer

[iraonavp]

Oh wait, I was already voting him. Nevermind.

[iraonavp]

FA "why are you scumreading me??" Q2 did this the last game I played with him, when he was town-aligned. So I don't feel so great about lynching him.

[iraonavp]

I feel like irons vote was the scummiest of them through and it's that slot that's made me paranoid that performer will flip town.

VOTE: Garmr

It's safe again, don't worry.

[iraonavp]

To add to the suspicion, since Feb 26th of irao's vote on me, he has yet to give valid reasoning for voting me
Though I haven't gotten a scum feeling from his ISO, his empty vote definitely raises eyebrows

I was voting you because you're scum-aligned, and voting scum-aligned players furthers my town-aligned wincon.

[iraonavp]

6. In 125, Iran thinks MM's case was too forceful. -

Don't like the vibe of this post. Seems like scum trying to get towncred off Kein. -

Null-Scum-Indicative

So only you can "get ""towncred""" off Kain?

17. In 260 by Iran, Iran finds Garn scummy for making posts that feel "forced and scummy". He goes on to question Gamr's strong townread of Kein, saying it is poorly backed up & overall, attempt to get towncred by buddying. -

I completely disagree. Quite the opposite of forced, Garn's posts have seen thought out and logical this game, even if I don't always concur with them. Furthermore, your argument about Kein and buddying is rather invalid. While Kein could be very clever scum, it's way more likely he's noobtown or even VI town. He is engaged and trying to solve the game; while he can be obnoxious with his caps at times, I no longer get scum vibes from his posts. Kein is the kind of person who'll prob. last to LyLo cuz of his inexperience at mafiascum. While he seems a bit of a VI as I stated earlier, we are in no rush to "policy" lynch him yet (so we have better shots at LyLo); I could be wrong --> We may see his potential later. Anyway, back on topic, there are quite a few good reasons to think Kein istown by this point, so it seems it's you who is trying to mislead players. -

Very Scum Indicative

1. In 435 by Ihcre, Ihcre finds iraonavp scummy for making posts that are "[buzzwords]". He goes on to disagree with iraonavp to an excessive extent, saying it is poorly backed up & overall, attempt to get a mislynch by pushing a town member. -

I completely disagree. Quite the opposite of scummy, iraonavp's posts have seen thought out and logical this game, and I always concur with them. Furthermore, your argument about iraonavp and being scum-aligned is rather invalid. While iraonavp could be very clever scum, it's way more likely he's obvtown or even slight town. He is engaged and trying to solve the game; while he can be obnoxious with his inactivity at times, I no longer get scum vibes from his posts. Iraonavp is the kind of person who'll prob. die n1 cuz of his experience at mafiascum. While he seems a bit of an obvtown as I stated earlier, we are in no rush to mislynch him yet (so we have better shots at LyLo); I could be wrong --> We may see him survive to d2. Anyway, back on topic, there are quite a few good reasons to think iraonavp istown by this point, so it seems it's you who is trying to mislead players. -

Very Scum Indicative

[iraonavp]

VOTE: FA_Q2

[iraonavp]

I was

51.531637281%

sure FA_Q2 is scum-aligned from how he was awkwardly whiteknighting me, and then look at how quickly he decides to vote me. Now that's changed to a

79.412597513%

read.

I was even voting him before at some point so this is hardly a new thing.

[iraonavp]

I feel like I'm being ignored.....

The deadline damn near passed and ira was the only lynch possible at this point baring a flash wagon which certainly would not have been better. I seems very odd that you are upset boon hammers within 3 hours of going into a no lynch.

It's because he knows that I'm a mislynch.

Fortunately, I was just a VT.