Mini 1769: Ice Cream Mafia - Game over!

[Titus]

Ok I am here.

[Titus]

Keysor, I am feeling lazy.

Who is scum?

[Titus]

Keysor, I am feeling lazy.

Who is scum?

why ask keyser as opposed to anybody else?

Ask the lead wagon what they want is a good idea to get into a game.

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Y'all have bigger egos than me.

That is all.

Three popular wagons.

TTH, where are you in this?

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VOTE: TTH

Because iydugxutsyffxichuhxugxyc

Will hammer whatever lynch the group decides. It'll hit town. That's the shitty site meta though.

[Titus]

UNVOTE: TTH

VC please

[Titus]

Titus's posting style was much more protown in the previous game I played with her where she was town.

Is it the lurking?
That's all I've noticed here that feels different from her norm.

Yup. Well I haven't given a single decent or supported read. So yeah, I'd say my style is different.

I came in with like 2 days till deadline. Even if I read the entire thread and told you exactly who was scum, I wouldn't get the votes.

I'll just start tomorrow if I'm not dead and hammer anything required to get a lynch.

K thnx bye.

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Yup. Well I haven't given a single decent or supported read. So yeah, I'd say my style is different.

That's part and parcel of the lurk - you haven't done anything because you haven't posted anything, not even reactions to wagons that exist.

Yup.

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If I had to, but I have never self hammered as town and hope this game will not need to be the first.

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You've read the thread, which makes one of us.

If you don't have a gut feel, just do the opposite of what your scumread wants.

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How old are you?

You creepy fuck. Can we please leave race/age/gender out of discussion. Let's just play the game. Share your reads please.

Asking age isn't creepy. Brains develop as we age.

[Titus]

If Guy is scum, Archer is likely a partner.

Unvote of Guy near deadline, pushing nothing. Huge red flag.

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Ircher is Archer. Autocorrect.

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No. I am not saying anyone is scum.

I am saying if Guy is you are too. That is all.

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If Guy is scum, Archer is likely a partner.

Unvote of Guy near deadline, pushing nothing. Huge red flag.

WTF is archer?

Ircher is scum with keyser. He's just prepping for a late bus

If we had all the time in the world, would you go for an Ircher wagon?

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@Aqua

- If it wouldn't be too much trouble, could I have a readlist, so I know where everyone is currently standing?

Actually, I want one from everyone who hasn't provided one in the last 2 days,p,

Nah, it's pretty clear why I suspect you're scum if Guy is.

I am not reading up unless I have to, meaning 6 6 split.

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Scum flail detected.

I was asking Guy if he'd wagon you. Given deadline, I am not lynching you today. Your unvote was bad. Revoting when I called you out was meh.

Back to lurkerdom.

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You should totally verify what your scumbuddies post in scum chat coaching you has merit. Lols.

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Of course.

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Boonskiies, do you and Guy have a penchant for compasses with the letter G in the middle?

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Titus and Ircher should do something with their votes.

Voting Guy looks like a great option.

I am hammering. I need massive or Ircher to vote.

Why didn't you say massive needs to do something with his?

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Ircher vote Keysor. Thanks to Boonskiies outburst I really don't want to vote Guy.

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It does. :-p

Deal with it.

I almost want to NL.

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Either kynch Guy or I'm pressing an associative case against you, regardless of flip of Guy

I will win.

Right now I wanna no lynch.

I think Keyser's town and Guy is town but I am not 100% on Keysor.

Ircher Slandaar scum is where I am at.

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BTW, Guy is a mason.

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Well you'll just have to find out.

I am not going to hammer him.

Vote Keysor or we no lynch.

You could also vote Slandaar.

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If you don't like it, you should stop voting the mason.

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But you're scum here. Pretty obvious when you flailed about the associative case I suggested which had a faulty premise.

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Is he a mason with you?

You're going to have to shoot Guy. I am not confirming who is Guy's mason buddy.

VOTE: Ircher

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Yup Slandaar Ircher confirmed.

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Keysor, vote Ircher with me. Maybe there's still time.

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Keysor, let me worry about pulling Miracles.

Just vote scum. Stop voting the mason. Masons set up false positives all the time.

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20 hours.

VC is that you're at L minus 2, Guy is at L minus 1. Massive and I are voting Ircher making him L minus 5.

I am claiming Guy is a mason. It's hard. He's not on but if we have any hope of a scum lynch, it had to be done.

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Keysor, vote Ircher.

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I cannot see Keysor as scum without Ircher. I think Keysor's town butvI can't rule out the possibility given Ircher and Keysor refuse to vote each other for ridiculous reasons and Ircher trying to argue I am scum for revealing Guy is a mason.

I just strongly think it's Ircher Slandaar with a strong shot of pops being the third (but I don't feel confident enough in pop scum to want to lynch there).

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Or discrediting the obvious conclusion.

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Like I said, not opposed to hammering Keysor but much more confident in Ircher. I am hoping to draw the town from Guy's wagon to Ircher or Keysor but preferably Ircher.

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I cannot see Keysor as scum without Ircher. I think Keysor's town butvI can't rule out the possibility given Ircher and Keysor refuse to vote each other for ridiculous reasons and Ircher trying to argue I am scum for revealing Guy is a mason.

I just strongly think it's Ircher Slandaar with a strong shot of pops being the third (but I don't feel confident enough in pop scum to want to lynch there).

Also, when did the Slandaar case come up. I never saw you attack Aqua for townreading Slandaar, so why me?

Why me? Fry me.

I am not suspecting you are scum solely BC you allegedly townread Slandaar.

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It'll get made if 1) Keysor flips town or 2) I am alive tomorrow. Not exactly freaking out about it.

You're pretty transparently going through the obvscum playbook (refusing to vote VT at deadline), trying to lynch mason, why me fry me flail, etc etc.

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Your unvote of Guy was pretty bad too.

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It'll get made if 1) Keysor flips town or 2) I am alive tomorrow. Not exactly freaking out about it.

You're pretty transparently going through the obvscum playbook (refusing to vote VT at deadline), trying to lynch mason, why me fry me flail, etc etc.

This case is poor

1. Why should I vote a VT?
2. I did not say I was tryong to lynch mason. I merely said I thought you were lying. Huge difference.
3. I refer you to Micro 590. Not alignment indicative.

1. You should vote a VT claim because it's better than no lynching unless a) you're scum and know that Keysor is town or b) Keysor is your partner.
2. Bullshit. You were trying to lynch Guy and insinuated that I'd make up my feelings to do it.
3. Refer me to whatever you want. Why me? Fry me. Wins.
4. Unvote and revote on guy is pathetic.

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Keysor's claim that he needed to read yet was caught up enough to see the mason claim is also :/

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Ircher, the problem here is that you're more concerned with your perception than what is right for town.

You put a vote while saying it's for deadline purposes.

But you're concerned about how you're perceived more than the result.

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Ircher, the problem here is that you're more concerned with your perception than what is right for town.

You put a vote while saying it's for deadline purposes.

But you're concerned about how you're perceived more than the result.

Depends on player meta. In my case, not alignment indicative

Yes it is. That means at best you play pro yourself and not pro town as town. Unless you know Keysor is town via mod confirmed or obvious, you should be willing to vote him.

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Also, @Hypocrite
Why are you voting me if you think I should vote KS? A wagon is unlikely to form this close to deadline. And if it did, I would FoS everyone on it.

This right here is another Why me fry me post.

I don't think you'd be objecting if pops had a sudden wagon would you?

You're not even trying to lynch scum anymore. If you're favoring lynching scum, you could at least make a symbolic gesture of voting your scumread. You will not because you're not town.

I will hammer Keysor if I must. People who I am townreading very vocally think he's scum. I just happen to disagree.

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It's obvious to me. Hence, 97%. Anything higher is a conf town read for me.

The only way you should be reaching this level of certainty is if Keysor claimed a mod confirmable role. He has not.

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Yes, vote the person who you think might be claiming mason with Guy. *eyeroll*

How about voting your scumreads? Instead, when I push you to vote, you vote your biggest detractor and not your scumread.

You aren't about catching scum. You're about your own confidence.

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Titus, what makes you think I'm a mason?

I don't think it's wise to answer that. You know why.

[Titus]

Ok

Do you think there is a chance of an Ircher lynch this late in the day?

Yes.

[Titus]

You are a scumread. Also, you never confirmed you were a mason with Guy....

I don't answer questions from rolefishing scum darling.

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@Guy
If we lynch Keyser today, then would you be willing to lynch Titus tomorrow? Or at least taking a second/third look at him?

He's basically trying to hunt your mason partner another way Guy.

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How is THAT pr fishing????

Whoever Guy says he might be willing to lynch = probably not his mason
Guy says he'd never been willing to lynch me = probably his mason buddy

Pretty blatantly obvious there.

[Titus]

How is THAT pr fishing????

Whoever Guy says he might be willing to lynch = probably not his mason
Guy says he'd never been willing to lynch me = probably his mason buddy

Pretty blatantly obvious there.

Couldn't you make that argument about just about anything Ircher said to or asked of Guy at this point?

No. If Ircher asked for direct reads, then it would be fishing. Asking about a particular comment and getting his thoughts would not be. Same with casing someone.

But if he's asking about "would you vote XYZ" the only purpose that would serve is narrowing down mason buddies.

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i'm at guy> ircher >no lynch > keyser

Great vote Ircher then.

I'm not voting Guy.

[Titus]

Titus is scum.

*pats you* Nope.

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You're being extremely anti-town for no discernable reason

Hardly.

I wouldn't stop the VCA analysis if I wasn't convinced that Guy was a mason.

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Guy is most assuredly not a mason.

You are likely wrong there.

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You're being extremely anti-town for no discernable reason

Hardly.

I wouldn't stop the VCA analysis if I wasn't convinced that Guy was a mason.

What vote count analysis?

You should not pretend to actually be an expert on my meta if you don't know the answer to this.

It's on day 3+ with a scumflip looking at the votes and seeing who is likely town and working backwards. It's a Titusonian hallmark.

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Titus, if Guy actually is a mason I will self vote tomorrow because that's apparently how bad at this game I've gotten.

That would be stupid. No need to compound errors with more errors.I'm pretty certain you're town since your apathy comment I had you pegged as town.

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You should not pretend to actually be an expert on my meta if you don't know the answer to this.

It's on day 3+

with a scumflip

looking at the votes and seeing who is likely town and working backwards. It's a Titusonian hallmark.

I know what vote count analysis is.

I've never claimed to be an expert on your meta. I'd have to read your games... *shudders*

Further, in what sense are your present actions stopping you from doing such a thing on day 3?

Namely, we lynch Guy we don't get a scumflip. Second, larger wagons are usually more influential in wagon analysis. Knowing Keyser and Guy's alignments (in the absence of reading the thread at all) knows exactly how scum spent a lot of time Day 1. Their alignments suggest where scum

likely

are.

[Titus]

We need two of Thor/Slandaar/Keyser. This alone is doable. The only people with their heels dug in are you and Titus.

Go to the moon with me. Why might that be?

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Contributing in deadline crunch is weird

Wierd is me.

I'm not letting a mason get lynched though, so I would fight for my scumread. If I thought Guy had a zero percent chance of being lynched, I'd hammer whatever.

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We need two of Thor/Slandaar/Keyser. This alone is doable. The only people with their heels dug in are you and Titus.

Go to the moon with me. Why might that be?

Because you're both being spectacularly anti town.

If it's because either of you are masons you've done a bang up job in making your interactions as un-mason-like as possible. I can't believe that.

I've voted my mason buddy before, with the intention of the lynch never happening. The proof comes in the pudding. A mason buddy will raise hell when their mason buddy gets lynched. That's protown.

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Then you don't need it.

Just vote Ircher and get on with it.

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Just from assessing behavior on Guys end it's so implausible he's a mason.

Because you think it's not what you'd do? Well newsflash the site meta of the site is lying = town, and just general total fuck over town for your own reads is lauded as the best. People get wagoned for trying or "pressure newbies for reactions because old people are useful" and just all around piles of shit that land on town unless a select few are leading. So expecting logical play is quite frankly not going to ever be found. You just stop the fellow masons from being lynched and lynch scum.

You took a back seat. I did what had to be done to save the masons. #noregrets.

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Do you have a drink that wouldn't actually harm anything if I would drink it while trying for kids? No...

I miss Drunk Titus.

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I am headed to sleep too. Although I occasionally get insomnia. So if we get a Keysor vote..

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Yeah, well Guy had the opportunity to hardclaim. All he had to do was say yes, he's a mason and he didn't. Guy should be pissed here. He isn't.

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Yes, it does

You've already outed your role. It makes no diff if you are x-shot or full for nk purposes, scum kill you anyway cuz you'd be a conf. townie

I'm going to let you explain to me why just the modifier is what would make me a confirmed townie. Because at the moment, scum is the only one who should care too much about that, as they have to find out if I'm a threat to them with power or not. Please somebody else pick up on why Ircher is scum.

Preach to the choir.

My apologies. I thought you and SirCakez were masons. I was trying to imply I was the mason buddy but not confirm or deny so that scum would shoot me after we lynched Ircher.

Kinda sucked because my read was wrong.

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Yes, it does

You've already outed your role. It makes no diff if you are x-shot or full for nk purposes, scum kill you anyway cuz you'd be a conf. townie

Yes it does.

It tells scum (if they have a blocker) whether they block or just kill Boonskiies.

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True... But if he's dead, he's dead.

Or they block him and shoot elsewhere.

Or shoot him and block elsewhere.

What action they pick depends on that information. No reason to reveal it either.

Then there's the whole can scum kill obvtown or not if they lack a blocker.

This question is 100% anti-town.

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Yes, it does

You've already outed your role. It makes no diff if you are x-shot or full for nk purposes, scum kill you anyway cuz you'd be a conf. townie

I'm going to let you explain to me why just the modifier is what would make me a confirmed townie. Because at the moment, scum is the only one who should care too much about that, as they have to find out if I'm a threat to them with power or not. Please somebody else pick up on why Ircher is scum.

Preach to the choir.

My apologies. I thought you and SirCakez were masons. I was trying to imply I was the mason buddy but not confirm or deny so that scum would shoot me after we lynched Ircher.

Kinda sucked because my read was wrong.

You do realize that that caused me to revote Guy, right?

Guy's antitown behavior & you not sharing info made me really think you were fakeclaiming & Guy was using the momentum to keep him alive.

If Guy even dismissed the claim directly & claimed VT, I would've been 10x less likely to want to lynch him.

*eyeroll*

You are scum who tried to lynch a mason. Zero fucks given. He is responsible too but scum got greedy and unlucky.

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Excuse you, but did you stop for a sec and realize that I actually thought the claim was possible? Now, show me that wasn't genuine but rather faked.

Like I'm going to convince you to claim scum.

I'd need a cop guilty for that. :S

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You want me to have any possibility of seeing you as town Ircher?

Stop bitching about me accurately scumreading you and go find scum. You don't need 10 posts of whine about how "shitty" the case against you is. It just screams caught scum to me.

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Because I'm giving Boonskiies room to work with what he says.

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Intent to vote Thor, with reservations...

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VOTE: BBT

Hiiii come and play with me BBT.

[Titus]

@Boon, way to ruin my attempt to do anything. I voted BBT to see who would jump on but you throwing your weight around like this completely ruined that. I disdain consensus wagons. I was hoping to see Thor defenders reach out to me so I could scumhunt them.

Unvote

Do we need a hammer?

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I wasn't about to vote a scumread for my test Ircher. Scum aren't going to unvote Thor to bus a buddy.

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I recommend jailing Boon. As much as I want Ircher dead, force scum to give info.

VOTE: Thor

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KT and Keysor need to die.

VOTE: KT

~Titus

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With the way Kein claimed & considering his playstyle, I could see no reason besides Kein having a role such as Cop for him to do so. If he had a weaker role such as Voyeur, I wouldn't think he would seem quite as excited about the role.

KT and Keysor need to die.

VOTE: KT

~Titus

That's L-2;

No quicklynches today

So you're seriously trying to suddenly suggest town have a cop and a GS after opening voting KT?

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I wanna lynch Ircher Keysor and Kain today.

I see nothing in here that changes that.

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I wanna lynch Ircher Keysor and Kain today.

I see nothing in here that changes that.

And your reads make zero sense.

Really, if you're town, these reads should make pretty good sense to you.

Keysor's on it because Thor wanted it and is dead and confirmed town.
You're on it for being a general scumfuck which has been covered ad nauseum.
Kain has a partial CC. I'm starting to waiver a bit on that, but he's probably scum.

~Titus

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@Ircher, VCA pre scum flip should not be done unless unavoidable as well.

~Titus

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@Ircher, VCA pre scum flip should not be done unless unavoidable as well.

~Titus

Why can't I use VC anakysis.

In this case, I'm ignoring associations. but rather looking at what wagons the scum let people fight over then used PoE to narrow it down to 4 suspects.

And how do you know which ones are the ones scum "let people" fight over versus the ones that are actually on scum?

VCA is best used to clear people, not to force through scum reads.

The closest thing you could get to a VCA is that the Keysor wagon is almost all flipped town or obvtown and that's a little sketchy by methodology.

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@Ircher, VCA pre scum flip should not be done unless unavoidable as well.

~Titus

Why can't I use VC anakysis.

In this case, I'm ignoring associations. but rather looking at what wagons the scum let people fight over then used PoE to narrow it down to 4 suspects.

And how do you know which ones are the ones scum "let people" fight over versus the ones that are actually on scum?

VCA is best used to clear people, not to force through scum reads.

The closest thing you could get to a VCA is that the Keysor wagon is almost all flipped town or obvtown and that's a little sketchy by methodology.

Yo Ircher!

[Titus]

VOTE: Ircher

Answer the question and read my posts.

Bye.

[Titus]

Why are/were there votes on KainTepes (no counter claim) he's

our cop

isn't he? (...yet to prove the validity of that claim).

The cc is the guy we lynched yesterday because Boon faked a gambit. :/

Although telling is the fact I am being wagoned and people pretending my reads don't exist only after I voted Ircher.

It doesn't matter if scum night killed or mislynched Thor. They silenced him. That is unless you want to argue a Thor wagon was all town?

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I'm back, going back to D2, Thor's wagon:

Intent to vote Thor,

with reservations...

Titus had reservations on the D1 wagon's on GuyFawkes/me - it feels to me like she knew all three would/will flip town.


I did not like the timing of this random vote:

VOTE: BBT

Hiiii come and play with me BBT.

I did not like BlueBloodedToffee introduction into the game.
I liked his thorough catch-up.
His posts since that catch-up have been minimal and focused to lynch GuyFawkes/Thor with minimum effort. I.e he has contributed to the miss-lynches but not fully expressed his support/thoughts regarding them.
BlueBloodedToffee is back in my uncomfortable pile.

I wanna lynch Ircher Keysor and Kain today.

Can you explain this.

VOTE: Titus

1) Or the so called gambit was shitty at best and I didn't feel it and I am the town with a brain.

2) You don't like me testing the wagons and trying to save town. Well gee, wonder why?

3) Already did.

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VOTE: Titus

I think I'm good.

This has definitely turned out to be my worst town game of all time; that's saying a lot.

This is my worst town game ever.....

Let me vote the person who tells me that and has told me that repeatedly.

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I think I am still good with my reads. Massive obvtowned.

I am going to be voting the biggest of my scumreads unless someone obvscums.