Mini 1761: Red Neighborhood - Day 2

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VOTE: Dwlee99
I'm not in that town bloc so obviously it's a scum bloc

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VOTE: Dwlee99
I'm not in that town bloc so obviously it's a scum bloc

You seem a tad worried about this townbloc. What exactly do you feel about it?

why does it seem that way to you?

I'm just assuming Skull's a newbie and he's being friendly with Dwee because he's a friendly face.

why are you pushing an assumption about skull to defend skull FOR skull?

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I don't think you get what I mean by 'push'. I meant that you're advocating for skull by saying he's newbtown.

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Skull you know I am town so why instead of sheeping me are you voting me?

Oh.
UNVOTE: Dwlee99
Misread aristophanes said. I was on a phone, so I couldn't highlight the black text. I just assumed it was unimportant lol.
sigh

Skull you know I am town so why instead of sheeping me are you voting me?

I legitimately thought there was some sort of thing where you can't unvote, so you have to have a vote on someone at all times.

This exchange is weird but I'm not completely sure it's scummy yet.

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^this is what he was talking about @Johnny

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I don't see the concern about how others perceive him, but I do wonder why he took the vote off.

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VOTE: SRMP
absolutely disgusting opener

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also not seeing what you're seeing cirno pls explain

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ricastle wat r u doing fam

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ricastle | insanity | srmp

gg boys scum team solved

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Nos why arent you voting ricastle?

And I care about skull's vote because I need them to help me lynch da scum.

because I'm voting srmp

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ehh, I feel some scumhunting-esque vibes from him

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Yeah, Dwlee's been irritating me pretty badly thus far. I didn't make the leap that it was because he was scum, which was indicative of apathy on my part more than anything.

VOTE: Dwlee99

Did you read this? Make the right choice and VOTE: Ricastle

only cause I scum read him too VOTE: ricastle

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ricastle | insanity | srmp

gg boys scum team solved

Ricastle does seem scummy to me, although I disagree on the other two. (After reading more: not anymore for SRMP)

What exactly about smrp is scummy (at that point in time)?

Spoiler: posts

Meh. My point was Aristophanes specifying that he was sheeping Johnny's vote (ie Sheep: Johnny. Vote Dwlee) was weird compared to just voting Dwlee (ie Vote Dwlee for any real or RVS reason). Could have been a (very weak) indication that he wanted to avoid taking responsibility for his vote.

@Lowell, why are Aristophanes and Johnny town?

Dwlee, again, why is Aristophanes town? Also, at this point your 'townbloc' essentially just means that you already have three town reads. Why is that something hasta

had

to comment compared to anything else in the thread?

p-edit: Garmr might be town. I was thinking that about Skullmaster as well, particularly about post 27.

UNVOTE: whoever

VOTE: insanity

This post is exceptionally bad. Hard to explain why, but it is. That it's hard to explain why is one of the things I don't like about it (be with me here, people!).

Essentially, insanity wants to act as narrator here. She peppers a bunch of non-committal thoughts without investing in anything enough to be challenged on it. Saying "oh hey X might be down... what do you think, y" is the worst kind of post. Have courage.

Also, arist and johnny are town because of the awesome page 1 wagon. That you're so concerned about my townreads (and dwee's) rings alarm bells. Do you think I'm wrong? Tell me why, then. If not, then your reaction is scummy and you sound like someone nervous that they haven't made anyone's happy list yet.

On reading the post, I can indeed see this.
VOTE: insanity
skull does indeed seem noobtown

People who agree with me are cool

also you should get an avatar

Too many people complain about it ;-;

Avatars are for scrubs though.

UNVOTE: insanity

while the post pointed out earlier was bad, I like their posting since then.

opportunism + no scumhunting = scum fam

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same goes for ricastle tbh

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but I will admit, hesitating on insanity because of the posting improvement.

still don't like how srmp voted insanity after he was called out tho.

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a lot of people may be doing it but SRMP is the original G. And he's relentlessly doing it too.

prodge since I havent posted in forever.

this is literally active lurking in the greatest sense in the world.

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you realize insinuations are intentional right ricastle?

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regardless,

That's because your case is very clearly absolute shit.

eww

You're a fool if you honestly think that was alignment-indicative.

Ari didn't insuate that

Yes he did, regardless of wether he intended to or not (he must have done, or his point makes no sense). One insinuation often leads to another. In this instance, not hammering to get townpoints directly implies that it is a play contrary to that of scum in such a situation, which would therefore be

to

hammer.

Awful vote and very vague discussion of reads

You are obviously biased/buddying, so this point is worthless. I also made my reads at that time abundantly clear. There was nothing vague about it, and just saying that isn't going to make it so.

Why aren't you voting Ari, then?

I see you couldn't even think of a way to spin this on me. Is this not a fabrication slip?

oppurtunism

Yes. What of it?

The second part is "I know I haven't mentioned johnny at all this game but you know I think he is actually scummy so yea bye"

Deliberately asinine misinterpretation. Carries nothing and means nothing - you might as well have straight-up ad-homed.

I mean, you're practically scrambling to actually find material to use against me. That certainly doesn't correspond with how constantly desperate you have been for my lynch.

this is the best post you've made so far. Why did it take a wagon to get you to post meaningful content?

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that's a massive logical jump

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that's a massive logical jump

He said he voted ricastle for being useless and not for being scummy so much, which to me seems like he cares more about usefulness than scumminess (as he votes for usefulness more than scumminess)

I might be wrong tho.

pretty sure he interprets inactivity and lack of utility to town as scummy.

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@insanity- you're never going to win this "insanity v. lowell" battle you're trying to set up. doesn't matter how my text-walls you build. no one's going to buy it. might as well quit while you're behind.

this right here doesn't sit right with me.

UNVOTE: Ricastle

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Hi ffery!

The others were a example of buddying

Kay. I accept that it possibly comes from Johnny and Aristo knowing each other IRL.

Johnny's post makes me lean town. I don't think Garmr is insinuating you are scum though. From my understanding, he just thinks that some people have a very fishy basis for townreading you and in the case of Aristophanes, Garmr thinks that he is buddying you.

Preferred lynch: Lowell
Would also support lynching: SRMP, Aristophanes

Ricastle's posts are not great but I am not really seeing his actions as scum motivated. He currently feels like a lazy townie.

mind elaborating on why you would support aristo's lynch?

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Ok so right now

Dwlee > aristo/Johnny > lowell/pasta > insanity/ricastle > smrp

unvoted because lowell made me uncomfortable with the hoity toity posting but I think he's just a haughty person.
VOTE: SMRP

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What is that list, nos? Is it town to scum?

Yes

Suppose im better than NL.

im no PR, so nothing shocking to change your minds.

From my experience going ahead against this has led to a mislynch more often than not.

did anyone ask for a claim? why dis happen? we're days out aren't we?

I'd much rather lynch this, on the other hand.

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

why is 496 scummy?

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@persivul: I voted SRMP the first time for his opener.

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You may have a point about the lack of counterwagon but I wouldn't rule out bussing. Apart from SRMP, your top scunmreads seem to be hasta and Ricastle. None of them are on the SRMP wagon. So, who aren't you trusting?

Whoops, missed this.

The people on the SRMP wagon I was suspecting were Ricastle and Lowell.

In regards to Lowell, I think he's throwing out townreads too easily and too often. I also didn't like the townblock he tried to propose.

You didn't like the townblock or the people inside?

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@srmp you can still post your reads now, if you get here before the mods do.

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ugh

didn't expect both of them to flip town.

Oh, and I missed this page.

L-1 eh?

I'm fine with that I guess.

I didn't like this, it is too noncommittal.

I don't see how this is noncommittal. Just seems like aristo is complacent with the srmp wagon?

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Your power role is what you wasted. It's obvious your shift from garmr looks suspicious to garmrs just stupid town has something to do with a power role and people don't want to say it because they are hoping scum is dumb enough not to picked it up which I doubt. You could of used it better since anyone else wouldn't of used it on me or you could be at least subtle about it by like waiting half the day and faking a reason to town read me and dropping a hint in there. You just sentenced me to death by a night kill after you die and I was enjoying working out this game out. That's why I'm so frustrated you of dropped your results in such a better way.

I really don't like how you assume that the change in his read on you is the result of a power role.

I see garmr's case on aristo and it mostly makes sense, but I'm reluctant to believe that my town read on him was false so I'll wait for a response from him on this case before I decide whether I change my read.

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the lack of resistance on the aristo wagon is frightening.

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the lack of resistance on the aristo wagon is frightening.

Johnny is defending him. Were you expecting the whole rest of the scumteam to come to Ari's aid, or something?

Usually wagons on scum have counter wagons, but there are none here.

the lack of resistance on the aristo wagon is frightening.

So why aren't you resisting it?

I want to, but aristo's attitude isn't helping much towards my townread of him. At this point my only real reason for believing he's town is gut.

I also don't see any possible associatives between aristo and anyone else, something I usually can see between possible scum. I'll re-read D1 with garmr's case in mind and then maybe I'll overturn my decision

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UNVOTE: Ari
I'm not comfortable with the wagon.

Why?

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ugh, after re-reading, I totally see garmr's case here... and from johnny's inconsistencies on aristo from D1 to today, I can see associatives should aristo flip scum...

but I really dislike going against my gut-read of him.. the cognative dissonance rn

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broadly agree with gamrs case
against ari
in 447
will reconsider his smrp point

he and insanity both have reads there

all caugh up
not much to say on the last ~7 pages

the backoff on the ari wagon has me really concerned
VOTE: ari

where'd the scum-read go droog?

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Nosferatu will get a prod in a sec

Sorry for the lack of VCs. I've been busy, but there should be one later today.

not on my watch

@Nos: what's your take on rica? Looked like you were scum reading him yesterday, but you're not voting.

I was scumreading ricastle yesterday, but his posting got better midway, so my read on him has slightly improved.

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yes it is

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not yet.

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Explains it in 863: "i think im losing mafia fever ftm" - in my experience apathy claims come from scum more than town

by this logic, wouldn't Aristophanes be scum as well?

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@persival I can see a scum-team of aristo-droog-??? with droog's votes being distance but I'd rather avoid that line of thought until either of those flip scum as I still town-read aristo.

But until then,

VOTE: Number 1

I don't see many dynamic reads here. Hasta is a persistant scum-read, for two posts, but he frequently votes people other than Hasta while just saying "I like hasta". It seems really "fake it 'til you make it"-esque and seems like it's just saying "just so you know, I'm scum reading hasta". Further on this, there are pushes on hasta, but NOT for hasta's lynch. I can't imagine that you believe hasta to be scum but only vote him once.

ISO in general seems like a lot of hedging and questions with not many apparent follow-ups.

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dwlee pls

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pdodge, I'll offer an opinion after ap euro hw

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I have had a theory since the night phase of day 2 that scum is

ari/dwlee/?

I chucked in these names and these are the results

ari/dwlee/hasta I am starting to have doubts on this one through becuase hasta was first to vote the counter wagon and I don't think scum would of started one at that stage dwlee behavior towards hasta is weird through.

ari/dwlee/(persivul/skull) works well

ari/dwlee/(droog/dr cirno) works well

ari/dwlee/nosf I think this one is extremely unlikely but it can work.

ari/dwlee/numbers I don't think numbers would put all his scum buddies as town reads.

ari/dwlee/lowell is meh no real connection but kinda disappointed that lowell has been ducking all game.


My tracker results may mean jackshit through because scum may have a ninja or I been hitting the wrong scum with the tracks. I also think godfather due to dwlee is a possibility and if it's in the game.

Cop plus tracker means scums going to have some role to counter one of the two. I could be in this to find the god father if he gets cleared. But honestly I don't know.

You think it's more likely that there's a ninja in this setup than that you're wrong about either dwlee or aristo?

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Well if scum took the time to keep aristo alive and you didn't get a tracker result out of him that night you would assume he's a ninja or something which is where I thought you were getting the idea of a ninja from.

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VOTE: Number One

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Between persivul and hasta for me.

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yeah alright. I guess I'm on board. why are you and nos so confident in this, dwlee? frankly this is the least town game I've played in awhile. I've been basically wrong, or worse, useless.

you're pretty confident and you follow through with the intentions of your posts. No weird subterfuge realpolitik business going on in your ISO that I can see.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA