Mini 1794: Gunslingers Ahoy! {Game Over}

Dunnstral · Post Post #4 (isolation #0) » Wed May 11, 2016 12:20 pm

Gunsling: zefiend[/v]

Dunnstral · Post Post #8 (isolation #1) » Wed May 11, 2016 12:32 pm

oh snap my bbcode

is that dwlee or a ripoff

See I could make an unoriginal joke about I am Innocent here but

VOTE: ConvergentConclusion for ignoring me

Dunnstral · Post Post #11 (isolation #2) » Wed May 11, 2016 12:41 pm

Actually

VOTE: BlackStar

Can't stand the thought of looking at that gif all game sorry

Dunnstral · Post Post #19 (isolation #3) » Wed May 11, 2016 1:39 pm

What kind of negative reputation

Dunnstral · Post Post #30 (isolation #4) » Wed May 11, 2016 2:50 pm

How about 3 times?

VOTE: MURDERCAT bye

Dunnstral · Post Post #37 (isolation #5) » Wed May 11, 2016 3:05 pm

In post 35, MURDERCAT wrote:If you want people to vote for me how about you explain how I'm scummy?

Dunnstral · Post Post #38 (isolation #6) » Wed May 11, 2016 3:07 pm

By the way post 35 is the worst post in the game so far

Dunnstral · Post Post #66 (isolation #7) » Wed May 11, 2016 3:49 pm

Is anyone else seeing all these associative tells between blackstar and murdercat

I vote blackstar --> murdercat votes me
Murdercat getting bandwagoned ---> blackstar swoops in and tries to defend murdercat (which was weird)

It would be comical if the game is this easy

Dunnstral · Post Post #69 (isolation #8) » Wed May 11, 2016 3:52 pm

This same question again? LOL

Dunnstral · Post Post #70 (isolation #9) » Wed May 11, 2016 3:52 pm

In post 67, Chumba wrote:Let's worry about associative tells once we get a scum flip ok?

Dunnstral · Post Post #76 (isolation #10) » Wed May 11, 2016 4:04 pm

In post 74, MURDERCAT wrote:Thank you. My vote remains although now it's for the weak jump on to my wagon then disappearing.

...what? Are you talking about me?

Dunnstral · Post Post #80 (isolation #11) » Wed May 11, 2016 4:09 pm

For me, my vote onto you was to create some pressure around 30 (putting you at 4 votes), at this point I didn't really scum read you like accountant had, around post 35 you start looking scummy to me and from then on there is no reason for me to ever unvote you

If you think I tried to "join a bandwagon" off of two rvs votes as a mafia tactic you have another thing coming

You saying I "disappeared" is simply untrue and reaching for any reason to scum read me

Chumba wrote:
In post 70, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 67, Chumba wrote:Let's worry about associative tells once we get a scum flip ok?

Cmon bro. People get wrapped up in these "tells" and it biases them. It's fine if you want to think they are a pair but they could just as easily be coincidence. I mean to be honest even if one of them flipped scum, there's still no gurantee the other is. Sure it looks suspect I'll give you that but it could also be nothing.

Oh I know it's just I'm getting lectured over here

I wasn't seriously saying that BlackStar is mafia, only that he looks scummy by association. I'd actually say it was probably a coincidence anyway and he was just voicing his opinion

Dunnstral · Post Post #81 (isolation #12) » Wed May 11, 2016 4:10 pm

In post 79, MURDERCAT wrote:You and chumba had some relevant commentary that came with your votes. Drunstall disappeared not literally, but from the conversation. He joined the wagon but didn't push me.

You were running town around in circles with the same question for like 30 posts, excuse me for not jumping in and pushing you

Dunnstral · Post Post #84 (isolation #13) » Wed May 11, 2016 4:13 pm

Accountant wrote:
I'd actually say it was probably a coincidence anyway and he was just voicing his opinion
Then why bring it up?

Because it's still there and it's what I noticed when I joined in
And I still want to talk about it, especially in case it becomes relevant later, just not gonna push blackstar for it now

MURDERCAT wrote:Why do you trust accountant to scum hunt for you? You vote for pressure but don't actually put any pressure on?

I'd say a lot of pressure was put on, and I don't ever recall saying I "trusted accountant to scum hunt for me"

Though you've been doing a good job flailing around by yourself

Dunnstral · Post Post #85 (isolation #14) » Wed May 11, 2016 4:14 pm

In post 79, MURDERCAT wrote:Drunstall

Are you shaken up or something?

Dunnstral · Post Post #90 (isolation #15) » Wed May 11, 2016 4:18 pm

In post 87, BlackStar wrote:
In post 66, Dunnstral wrote:Is anyone else seeing all these associative tells between blackstar and murdercat

I vote blackstar --> murdercat votes me
Murdercat getting bandwagoned ---> blackstar swoops in and tries to defend murdercat (which was weird)

It would be comical if the game is this easy
That wasn't really a defense. I just thought it was silly that we were rushing towards a lynch.
I also think it's scummy that you're trying to force an association between me and him before he even gets lynched

I mean I said it was likely a coincidence

Now you're pushing me with MURDERCAT how am I not supposed to get these reads

chill out I'm not even pushing you as scum

yet

Dunnstral · Post Post #91 (isolation #16) » Wed May 11, 2016 4:18 pm

Just use two browsers, sounds a lot easier than logging back in and out, that's how I'd do it

No I'm not an alt before anyone asks

Dunnstral · Post Post #95 (isolation #17) » Wed May 11, 2016 4:23 pm

In post 92, BlackStar wrote:I'm not pushing you yet either.

So what are you doing in the thread right now

don't worry I'm not pushing you yet

Dunnstral · Post Post #102 (isolation #18) » Wed May 11, 2016 4:27 pm

What is PM?

Also I don't necessarily think much in the way of chumba being scum just yet but I did really like your post about him (nice lead)

Dunnstral · Post Post #106 (isolation #19) » Wed May 11, 2016 4:30 pm

In post 104, MURDERCAT wrote:Dunnstral literally did sheep your vote and then didn't do anything after that I don't think I made a big leap there to be honest.

You're right. I saw that you had 3 votes and that accountant called you out on something, so I made a 3rd rvs vote just for you and put a 4th vote onto you for pressure

Since then my vote has become more and more serious as you've flailed around

Dunnstral · Post Post #109 (isolation #20) » Wed May 11, 2016 4:32 pm

LOL...

Dunnstral · Post Post #113 (isolation #21) » Wed May 11, 2016 4:34 pm

Silly for what, voting you early in the game?

And why are you switching to accountant being scum now

MURDERCAT wrote:My point is he voted for pressure and didn't push me directly at all after that.

How many times are you going to say the same thing

Dunnstral · Post Post #122 (isolation #22) » Wed May 11, 2016 4:39 pm

I didn't post for 42 minutes

Dunnstral · Post Post #129 (isolation #23) » Wed May 11, 2016 4:55 pm

I knew he'd come out with a townread on BlackStar with little explanation

I just knew it

Dunnstral · Post Post #130 (isolation #24) » Wed May 11, 2016 4:56 pm

And it's great because BlackStar is the real person who voted and then didn't pressure

I'm not saying he's scummy but he should be from Murdercat's point of view

Dunnstral · Post Post #131 (isolation #25) » Wed May 11, 2016 4:57 pm

Actually I am saying BlackStar is scummy because he is

Dunnstral · Post Post #137 (isolation #26) » Wed May 11, 2016 5:00 pm

In post 134, MURDERCAT wrote:Because there's pressure on a townie, no reason to jump in there.

You're acting like you're about to get lynched, or like BlackStar was stepping in to stop a lynch

Dunnstral · Post Post #149 (isolation #27) » Wed May 11, 2016 5:15 pm

In post 147, Accountant wrote:Dunnstral:

Who is scummier? MURDERCAT or BlackStar? If MURDERCAT dropped dead right now and flipped town, how would your read on BlackStar change?

Definitely Murdercat, and no my read wouldn't change on BlackStar as I can see his actions as individually scummy, rather than just the weakish association link

Dunnstral · Post Post #150 (isolation #28) » Wed May 11, 2016 5:17 pm

In post 148, MURDERCAT wrote:I'm not going to pretend my case is stronger than it is. My initial reasoning was very weak. Sure. It was based on a page of RVS. I disagree with this if you replace poor with weak:
In post 139, ɀefiend wrote:Breaking RVS does not serve as justification for voting with poor reasoning.

Then I found the way he left the discussion after casting a vote suspicious.

Huh? Are you responding to something aimed at something else?

Also you're actually just saying the same thing on repeat now; yes, we know what you think

Dunnstral · Post Post #164 (isolation #29) » Wed May 11, 2016 5:32 pm

In post 153, Accountant wrote:Dunnstral can you explain your read on BlackStar? The only thing I see so far is #130. Is there more to your case?

Not much yet but I actually didn't like post 60, I don't like that he's "getting a bad feeling" from me as if he's getting ready to push on me with murdercat in case the wagon ever headed that way, while still being able to go back and say "it was just a feeling" if nothing happened

Also him being in the thread but not really having an impact

Dunnstral · Post Post #166 (isolation #30) » Wed May 11, 2016 5:33 pm

In post 162, MURDERCAT wrote:I never said they weren't shallow.

Yet you keep on bringing it up

Dunnstral · Post Post #167 (isolation #31) » Wed May 11, 2016 5:34 pm

In post 165, MURDERCAT wrote:those that have jumped on weakly are more likely to be scum such as zefiend

Huh?

Dunnstral · Post Post #173 (isolation #32) » Wed May 11, 2016 5:40 pm

In post 170, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 167, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 165, MURDERCAT wrote:those that have jumped on weakly are more likely to be scum such as zefiend
Huh?
154 looks fake, like he didn't really read what I wrote/have written.

...I don't see anything wrong or "fake" with 154 and you've given another really weak reason to scumread someone

Dunnstral · Post Post #180 (isolation #33) » Wed May 11, 2016 5:53 pm

Here let me start off the new wagon

VOTE: BlackStar

Dunnstral · Post Post #188 (isolation #34) » Wed May 11, 2016 5:58 pm

I also didn't like 177, hence my vote. In fact that whole post felt off (probably because it's mostly wrong)

The thing is he was posturing to do this for a while and I knew it would eventually happen

MURDERCAT wrote:Dunn what is your read on me right now?

Probably mafia to be honest

Dunnstral · Post Post #191 (isolation #35) » Wed May 11, 2016 6:00 pm

In post 183, Accountant wrote: Would still rather vote MURDERCAT because I can make a better choice about BlackStar in the face of a cat flip than I can make a choice about cat in the face of a star flip.

How would Murdercat's role affect your opinion on BlackStar?

Dunnstral · Post Post #193 (isolation #36) » Wed May 11, 2016 6:01 pm

In post 189, Accountant wrote:But if you dropped dead right now my read on BlackStar would shift towards town, very slightly.

If he dropped dead and flipped what
Or just if he died from a dayvig (gunslinger)

Dunnstral · Post Post #199 (isolation #37) » Wed May 11, 2016 6:03 pm

Unrelated but I'm not really getting good feelings from Derek12 either

Just the careful wording of their posts and the content... just not a good feeling about them

Dunnstral · Post Post #202 (isolation #38) » Wed May 11, 2016 6:04 pm

It's also possible BlackStar just majorly overreacted over my suspicion towards them

There's your town motivation

Dunnstral · Post Post #209 (isolation #39) » Wed May 11, 2016 6:07 pm

In post 207, BlackStar wrote:Everyone just seems to listen to whatever Dunnstral says

? lol

Dunnstral · Post Post #212 (isolation #40) » Wed May 11, 2016 6:09 pm

In post 208, Derek12 wrote:
In post 199, Dunnstral wrote:Unrelated but I'm not really getting good feelings from Derek12 either

Just the careful wording of their posts and the content... just not a good feeling about them
Explain the careful wording part?

Just the way you ask questions I guess, I saw it again in post 204

Dunnstral · Post Post #214 (isolation #41) » Wed May 11, 2016 6:09 pm

In post 211, MURDERCAT wrote:Dunn do you think it's weird that qualifier of me being town wasn't in the first post? Like accountant knows I'm town so they forgot to include the "if you're town"? I think I'm overthinking that but I'm wondering if you noticed that too or you were actually just asking.

I'm not sure what you're talking about - Which post?

Dunnstral · Post Post #216 (isolation #42) » Wed May 11, 2016 6:12 pm

What's wrong with post 177? First of all I'm being pretty much demonized in my actions as if I said you're mafia because Murdercat is mafia, and as if I said you were suspicious without reason. The general tone of the post didn't feel like what I'd expect from town either; and if you look back at your previous posts I pointed out the "posturing" that was going on too

Dunnstral · Post Post #218 (isolation #43) » Wed May 11, 2016 6:13 pm

In post 215, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 189, Accountant wrote:
In post 186, MURDERCAT wrote:Accountant if I am town what is your Blackstar read?
Depends on the people on your wagon. But if you dropped dead right now my read on BlackStar would shift towards town, very slightly.

In post 205, Accountant wrote:
In post 193, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 189, Accountant wrote:But if you dropped dead right now my read on BlackStar would shift towards town, very slightly.
If he dropped dead and flipped what
Or just if he died from a dayvig (gunslinger)
Flipped town, to clarify.

In post 206, Accountant wrote:Or revealed as inno child etc. etc. Doesn't matter how he dies.
@Dunn Seems like a weird overcorrection to me?

I don't think so... I think that's reaching

Actually you've been buddying up to me pretty hard ever since I switched my vote off you when you were going hard at me while I was voting you

Dunnstral · Post Post #220 (isolation #44) » Wed May 11, 2016 6:14 pm

In post 217, BlackStar wrote:
In post 216, Dunnstral wrote:What's wrong with post 177? First of all I'm being pretty much demonized in my actions
as if I said you're mafia because Murdercat is mafia, and as if I said you were suspicious without reason.
The general tone of the post didn't feel like what I'd expect from town either; and if you look back at your previous posts I pointed out the "posturing" that was going on too
All of that is true though

I admitted the connection was weak and more of something to look at later, and said that I scumread you individually, apart from the associations

Dunnstral · Post Post #223 (isolation #45) » Wed May 11, 2016 6:17 pm

In post 219, BlackStar wrote:You didn't point out the posturing, but I know which posts you mean. It's hypocritical for you to say that though because you were doing the same thing

Alright fair point. Though from the way you came out and did it it also seemed like you were rushing to defend Murdercat and trying to derail the wagon/doubtcast at me when there was already some form of case against me

What do you think of Murdercat right now?

Pretty sure I pointed out the individual scummy things before you voted me

Dunnstral · Post Post #224 (isolation #46) » Wed May 11, 2016 6:19 pm

In post 221, MURDERCAT wrote:Yeah well now blackstar is voting you and I think he's scummier than you. I only asked you because it seemed like maybe you picked up on it too.

It was the opposite earlier - you thought I was scummy and BlackStar wasn't

Dunnstral · Post Post #234 (isolation #47) » Wed May 11, 2016 6:29 pm

I'll think about this one

Dunnstral · Post Post #241 (isolation #48) » Wed May 11, 2016 6:40 pm

I don't think the vote is weird because you acted weird the whole time the vote was off of you

Dunnstral · Post Post #243 (isolation #49) » Wed May 11, 2016 6:41 pm

UNVOTE: I'll decide where I want to put this again tomorrow, meanwhile I believe Murdercat is at L-3

I know there's a lot of people who haven't even gotten to read the thread and we're ~250 posts in

Dunnstral · Post Post #244 (isolation #50) » Wed May 11, 2016 6:44 pm

I liked Accountant and Zefiend, I feel like they're likely town

Mostly null on derek (regardless of what I said earlier) and I'll have to see with BlackStar

Dunnstral · Post Post #246 (isolation #51) » Wed May 11, 2016 7:02 pm

Because they haven't read the thread yet pretty much

It's just derek voting someone other than Murdercat, and me for now

Dunnstral · Post Post #247 (isolation #52) » Wed May 11, 2016 7:03 pm

Oh and TBG but he might fit into the not having read the thread category

Dunnstral · Post Post #250 (isolation #53) » Wed May 11, 2016 7:24 pm

In post 244, Dunnstral wrote:Mostly null on derek (regardless of what I said earlier)

Though I also said they had careful posting and they explained it with a clinical style

Dunnstral · Post Post #265 (isolation #54) » Wed May 11, 2016 8:27 pm

In post 262, TehBrawlGuy wrote:
In post 187, BlackStar wrote: And I'm always defensive. Go look at any of my past games.
I don't care. Defensiveness is typically a scumtell. Even if your meta is to play defensively (read: badly) as Town, that doesn't mean you dont play more defensively as Scum, which most people do.

So what about Murdercat's defensiveness?

Dunnstral · Post Post #266 (isolation #55) » Wed May 11, 2016 8:30 pm

In post 261, Transcend wrote:Just got home, I skimmed the game when it was at 2 pages while at work. I came back and there's already 11 freakin' pages.

Ayy lmao

Dunnstral · Post Post #274 (isolation #56) » Wed May 11, 2016 10:34 pm

In post 273, chilledtea wrote:Dunn is null.

You'll have to explain this, because I've actually had quite a bit of interaction in the thread to read me off of

Wondering why TBG seems to have skimmed over me as well

Anyway I agree that chumba is definitely null at this point, I think the people saying he's town/mafia are silly/have bad reads/making things up and I'm leaning towards the first two

Dunnstral · Post Post #279 (isolation #57) » Wed May 11, 2016 10:59 pm

That's because me, accountant, mcat all posted a ton
I think this is actually an important point because we pretty much flooded the thread

I will agree wagons are fun is kind of sketchy but the vote itself wasn't really bad

Dunnstral · Post Post #328 (isolation #58) » Thu May 12, 2016 8:45 am

In post 308, Chumba wrote:
In post 243, Dunnstral wrote:UNVOTE: I'll decide where I want to put this again tomorrow, meanwhile I believe Murdercat is at L-3

I know there's a lot of people who haven't even gotten to read the thread and we're ~250 posts in
I find your unvote weird given black isn't voting you anymore. I also don't like how you referenced how close murder is to a lynch. Just comes of as like you are about to make an opportunistic jump back to murder

But I didn't vote murder
I unvoted blackstar

Why do I need to unvote blackstar to jump back to murder? There's no correlation

Dunnstral · Post Post #330 (isolation #59) » Thu May 12, 2016 8:47 am

In post 319, Chumba wrote:The fact you have played on this site since 2011 and said the above really makes me doubt you are town. I can't imagine an experienced Mafia player would ever believe that

I took a look at their post count and it looked like they would have only played around 1 game

Dunnstral · Post Post #331 (isolation #60) » Thu May 12, 2016 8:49 am

Chumba I think you're tunneled on the guy who called you scummy but I'm not thinking he's mafia myself

Dunnstral · Post Post #336 (isolation #61) » Thu May 12, 2016 8:54 am

I mentioned the number of votes on him because there hasn't been a vote count since top of page 2

Despite me voting murdercat it's not like I ever intended him to be lynched within 12 hours of the game starting. I also left a slot open so other people had a chance to vote him when they got here but that didn't really take off

By the way that's yesterday for me

Chumba wrote:
In post 331, Dunnstral wrote:Chumba I think you're tunneled on the guy who called you scummy but I'm not thinking he's mafia myself
It doesn't really matter that he's calling me scummy, he's saying things that just aren't true and if they were directed at somebody else I'd still call him out. Please don't discount my push on him as some sort of omgus because I assure you it's not. I've analyzed his posts and can't really see town motivation for them.

They can be untrue and coming from town though
I'm not really seeing scum motivation

Dunnstral · Post Post #346 (isolation #62) » Thu May 12, 2016 10:12 am

In post 343, MURDERCAT wrote:Center=content I think

MURDERCAT wrote:Center=content I think

This might be one of those times where you don't want to jump in with the answers when a question is directed at someone else

Dunnstral · Post Post #349 (isolation #63) » Thu May 12, 2016 10:32 am

You took your vote off of me before I took mine off of you

Or were you still scumreading me when you took your vote off?

Dunnstral · Post Post #375 (isolation #64) » Thu May 12, 2016 1:21 pm

In post 374, Chumba wrote:
In post 367, TehBrawlGuy wrote:To me, it looked like a lot of you talking to him but not actually doing anything committal. I only see the one post that I would call pushing, your #65, which I admit is a solid post.
I put him to l-2. That's pretty commited if you ask me

Sorry but I have to say the actual vote wasn't "committed" since it was straight out of rvs phase

Not sure what you're trying to say here, I will say that voting him was a good move but to say it took

committment

is just wrong

Dunnstral · Post Post #378 (isolation #65) » Thu May 12, 2016 1:22 pm

In post 371, BlackStar wrote:Why do you keep telling us that things are classic scum moves? Just say that you find it scummy

Who are you to tell him how to speak

Dunnstral · Post Post #403 (isolation #66) » Thu May 12, 2016 2:22 pm

I've cracked the case guys

Dunnstral · Post Post #404 (isolation #67) » Thu May 12, 2016 2:24 pm

It's town vs town and the mafia hasn't posted yet

Dunnstral · Post Post #407 (isolation #68) » Thu May 12, 2016 2:25 pm

I'll be honest I don't really have much to say here , it feels like you guys are arguing past each other which makes it difficult to weigh in on anything

Dunnstral · Post Post #414 (isolation #69) » Thu May 12, 2016 2:36 pm

Why does that post bother you? I'm fine with it

Dunnstral · Post Post #427 (isolation #70) » Thu May 12, 2016 3:56 pm

On the bright side you got that page top

Dunnstral · Post Post #437 (isolation #71) » Thu May 12, 2016 5:48 pm

I think by time-travel he means give opinions on stuff as it's going on, like quoting stuff and giving real-time opinions instead of looking at everything at once and then commenting

Dunnstral · Post Post #440 (isolation #72) » Thu May 12, 2016 6:03 pm

I'm not hard townreading anyone but I've got 4 people as town leans

[Accountant, zefiend, TehBrawlGuy, Chumba]
[Derek12]
[Murdercat, Blackstar, chilledtea]

no read on transcend

Dunnstral · Post Post #443 (isolation #73) » Thu May 12, 2016 6:35 pm

Obviously with 4 posts it's not a very strong read, just a feeling right now

Dunnstral · Post Post #449 (isolation #74) » Thu May 12, 2016 10:09 pm

Probably to sleep

Dunnstral · Post Post #593 (isolation #75) » Fri May 13, 2016 7:18 am

In post 464, Chumba wrote:
In post 437, Dunnstral wrote:I think by time-travel he means give opinions on stuff as it's going on, like quoting stuff and giving real-time opinions instead of looking at everything at once and then commenting
Didn't you tell somebody else not to answer questions for other people? Why did you just do it?

I said there are certain times when you shouldn't; that question isn't alignment indicative

In post 502, Chumba wrote:
In post 488, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Asking for clarification on terminology is hardly the same as asking someone's opinion on something. I used a somewhat common piece of verbage, he's clearly heard it before.
But blackstar was clarifying my typos and Dunn made that comment. Wouldn't that basically be the same thing? I think yes

Come on your "typos" changed the meaning of what you said

Dunnstral · Post Post #594 (isolation #76) » Fri May 13, 2016 7:20 am

By the way BlackStar is town

something something reasoning

Dunnstral · Post Post #601 (isolation #77) » Fri May 13, 2016 7:57 am

What are you starting a case for...

Dunnstral · Post Post #602 (isolation #78) » Fri May 13, 2016 7:58 am

In post 580, Transcend wrote:[Transcend, Chumba, MURDERCAT, Dunnstral, Derek12]
[zefiend]
[BlackStar, TehBrawlGuy]
[chilledtea, Accountant]

How in the world is Derek12 in the top tier

Dunnstral · Post Post #605 (isolation #79) » Fri May 13, 2016 8:23 am

Ok but why are you town reading them like that is what I'm saying

Dunnstral · Post Post #633 (isolation #80) » Fri May 13, 2016 12:20 pm

I'm not seeing why you think transcend is a good vote as I still have no read on them, I do want to move away from BlackStar for now though

VOTE: chilledtea until I'm convinced otherwise

BlackStar wrote:UNVOTE:

Why?

Dunnstral · Post Post #634 (isolation #81) » Fri May 13, 2016 12:21 pm

In post 625, Derek12 wrote:
In post 610, Transcend wrote:
In post 124, Derek12 wrote:I have a hard time reading MURDERCAT. To be blunt, shit like 108 makes it hard for me to distinguish.if.he's scum or just playing poorly now. :3
Ok this is pretty bad.

You managed to pick out the least genuine thing I wrote, wording wise at least. That was one of my poor attempts at imitating Dwlee, around right after I altslipped and stopped caring enough to keep going with it. If you found this genuine, how do you interpret the majority of my posts after that being mostly questions with a pretty different posting style?

Oh this

Nah to be fair your post does look pretty good there so I can see where he's coming from

Dunnstral · Post Post #642 (isolation #82) » Fri May 13, 2016 1:02 pm

In post 635, BlackStar wrote:It doesn't feel necessary anymore. I was willing to get lynched so that the town start grilling members of the scum team. People are already questioning players who weren't active before and there's only 1 vote left on me, so there's no point in self voting anymore

Didn't realize that was a self vote

Dunnstral · Post Post #661 (isolation #83) » Fri May 13, 2016 3:56 pm

In post 659, Accountant wrote:Transcend is not in my lynch pool. Chilledtea is in my lynchpool. BlackStar has to die.

vote chilledtea?

Dunnstral · Post Post #666 (isolation #84) » Fri May 13, 2016 4:24 pm

In post 443, Dunnstral wrote:Obviously with 4 posts it's not a very strong read, just a feeling right now

Dunnstral · Post Post #670 (isolation #85) » Fri May 13, 2016 5:24 pm

When I was reading through I saw it all as town vs town and chumba was just rattled that she got pushed on

Dunnstral · Post Post #672 (isolation #86) » Fri May 13, 2016 5:36 pm

Yes actually, my main reasoning being that I'm not seeing scum motive behind chumba's posts, I do however disagree with them and I think TBG is town, but I'm thinking chumba is town too.

Dunnstral · Post Post #673 (isolation #87) » Fri May 13, 2016 5:38 pm

I voted chilledtea because this is what I'm kind of feeling right now until I get convinced otherwise and I assumed other people would hop on the wagon as they've also kind of threw chilled in the scum pile, but I noticed almost slight resistance to putting chilledtea on the wagon, not from anyone in particular just in general

Dunnstral · Post Post #675 (isolation #88) » Fri May 13, 2016 5:48 pm

Dunnstral · Post Post #678 (isolation #89) » Fri May 13, 2016 6:22 pm

Just a bad feeling, like the way they came in and then came in again later and didn't really have anything substantial to say

At the same time I'm not getting the same vibes from transcend and actually don't have a read on them yet - though I believe they still haven't explained their reads like they said they would ? unless I missed that

I did actually end up reading transcend's past game and he's basically acting completely differently here but in a less trolly kind of way

Dunnstral · Post Post #753 (isolation #90) » Tue May 17, 2016 8:21 am

Hi I'm here

Dunnstral · Post Post #755 (isolation #91) » Tue May 17, 2016 9:31 am

In post 754, Chumba wrote:
vote murder

dont really want to change but there's no chance anyone is going to join a brawl wagon which completely boggles my brain. When people are ready to take this game seriously please lmk.

Dunnstral · Post Post #769 (isolation #92) » Tue May 17, 2016 11:55 am

In post 762, RachMarie wrote: IaI is a townlean, but need more

How'd you get townlean from their posts? I'd say all of their posts are non alignment indicative so far

Dunnstral · Post Post #770 (isolation #93) » Tue May 17, 2016 11:56 am

In post 764, Killthestory wrote:
In post 757, RachMarie wrote:
@mod can we get vote counts periodically? I am trying to read up and have gone through 17 pages without a single vc since the initial OP Also can you update the OP with current replacements, please and thank you

Apologies, I'm busy during the morning and afternoon, so when I went to bed, went to school, and came back, the game absolutely exploded. I'll try to keep up.

I thought you broke your leg

Dunnstral · Post Post #773 (isolation #94) » Tue May 17, 2016 12:04 pm

RachMarie, how did you get chilledtea null but iaminnocent townlean? And how did you read IAI at all

In post 766, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Where did Transcendwagon go.

He's posted damn near no content and never elaborated on his reads after being asked. Regardless of if you think that's scummy, we need more votes than just my own for pressure.

Maybe you should come pressure chilledtea who you also had a bad feeling on?

Dunnstral · Post Post #803 (isolation #95) » Tue May 17, 2016 6:02 pm

Blackstar who are you pushing on

Dunnstral · Post Post #809 (isolation #96) » Tue May 17, 2016 6:13 pm

Honestly no one right now, just thought it was weird you followed my vote onto chilledtea and then you're trying to push on accountant/chumba without voting anyone

Dunnstral · Post Post #819 (isolation #97) » Tue May 17, 2016 6:25 pm

Actually I'm not a fan of chilledtea's newer posts so I can justify keeping my vote here to myself (though it looked like he got cut off by the down time to be fair)

In post 761, RachMarie wrote: Then when the pressure is off of him, he puts his vote on the tea wagon which I am not getting here, I think I want to see more from tea before I peg him. Hes a nullish read for me atm and since hes a low poster, with people wagoning him, makes a good place for a scum to jump on in the middle somewhere.
The tea wagon feels very much like a counter wagon to BlackStar

VOTE: Blackstar

? Missed this the first time, people voting Chilledtea:
Iaminnocent (rvs vote from first page)
Me
BlackStar (he was)
TBG has shown some doubt earlier but never voted

Not sure why you'd say it feels like a counter wagon while also saying you basically think everyone voting chilled is town except for BlackStar himself

Dunnstral · Post Post #820 (isolation #98) » Tue May 17, 2016 6:27 pm

In post 807, BlackStar wrote:Who're you pushing, Dunn?

Why did you even ask me this? Does it matter to you

Dunnstral · Post Post #823 (isolation #99) » Tue May 17, 2016 6:35 pm

In post 815, Accountant wrote:
You are spreading shit. Your reads are way off and you've been death tunneling nonstop for like 15 pages
So am I hyperfocused on one player or sitting back and throwing accusations at everyone opportunistically to see what sticks? You're contradicting yourself.

Honestly you're the first part right now and BlackStar is the second part

Accountant wrote:
In post 818, BlackStar wrote:Do you agree that you're death tunneling?
No.

You kind of are

Dunnstral · Post Post #828 (isolation #100) » Tue May 17, 2016 7:04 pm

In post 798, Transcend wrote:Two things

1. I wasn't able to access this website for a while sorry about that.

2. I just moved into a new apartment and i have no WiFi there so the only way i can post is on mobile.

Site was down for a few days by the way so it wasn't just you

In post 821, TehBrawlGuy wrote:
In post 778, BlackStar wrote:@braw can you quote some stuff from transcend that you found scummy?
There's not really one post I can point to and call scummy. It's more of an overall pattern of posts that I dislike. Hence, I'll just leave his ISO here.

It mainly comes down to these things.

1) How he doesn't push Accoutant. He lists Accountant as his #1 scum read at time when there's no wagon with more than a vote, and other people have indicated suspicion of him, but does actually nothing to pressure him or try to convince anyone to vote him. If he were Town, this is a perfect opportunity to get his preferred lynch candidate's wagon going. If he's Scum, I can see him being too spooked to lead a wagon he knows is a ML, since he's new and hasn't played Scum before, preferring to just drive-by vote a seemingly good candidate and wait for someone else to lead.

2) Before Accountant, his BlackStar vote is awful. His justification is "BlackStar has been very bad and has made a few scummy votes and a few potentially forced lines.", which is one of the most incredibly vague statements I've heard in this game. It leaves him so incredibly open to just wait and see what the Town agrees with and then parrot it back to look townie. I asked him specifically to explain this and a few others circa #250 and he still has not done so.

3) In a more general sense, I don't like how he posts a reads list with only one sentence justification on each player, says he can go into more detail, is asked to go into more detail, and doesn't. It reads as Scum trying to look helpful without being helpful.

4) The general fluffiness of his posts is pretty bad. They're mostly one-sentence filler that don't involve actual scumhunting.

tl;dr I think Transcend is playing the way he would if this were his first Scum game ever. Really passive, safe play attempting to stay out of the spotlight with little content, by avoiding leading or scumhunting.

Alright weighing in on this: I did go back and look at his iso and there were actually some things I didn't like as well:

In post 268, Transcend wrote:Dunn/murder prob TVT. If one is scum it's Dunn. They're not MVM.

In post 580, Transcend wrote:[Transcend, Chumba, MURDERCAT, Dunnstral, Derek12]
[zefiend]
[BlackStar, TehBrawlGuy]
[chilledtea, Accountant]

Again derek12 being at the top of that list feels really weird, also he doesn't really have any reasoning for townreading me here either. Also why is he scumreading chilledtea? Like I know I'm voting him but why is he scumreading him?

On the other hand he had a believeable reason for townreading derek even if I don't necessarily agree with it

Kind of had his vote parked on accountant without doing anything either

Also is it just me or looking back does that reads list come out of nowhere? like the actual post could look like an attempt to be busy

VOTE: Transcend

Dunnstral · Post Post #830 (isolation #101) » Tue May 17, 2016 8:08 pm

Dunnstral · Post Post #833 (isolation #102) » Tue May 17, 2016 8:51 pm

Dunnstral · Post Post #834 (isolation #103) » Tue May 17, 2016 8:58 pm

I feel like every time I vote someone votes end up flying off of it and my vote is meaningless

Also has murdercat been flying under the radar or what's going on

Dunnstral · Post Post #882 (isolation #104) » Wed May 18, 2016 9:13 am

Pretty sure ConvergentConclusion is still in this game and needs to be replaced as well

Dunnstral · Wed May 18, 2016 12:58 pm

Day 1 ends on the 28th, not sure why we're talking about quicklynching someone who's inactive

Dunnstral · Post Post #901 (isolation #106) » Wed May 18, 2016 1:43 pm

In post 891, BlackStar wrote:
In post 890, Dunnstral wrote:Day 1 ends on the 28th, not sure why we're talking about quicklynching someone who's inactive
When did anyone say anything about quick lynching?

In post 892, RachMarie wrote:
In post 890, Dunnstral wrote:Day 1 ends on the 28th, not sure why we're talking about quicklynching someone who's inactive
Not sure since we have not had a vc in several pages, but I believe the biggest wagon was on BlackStar who is active, with a counterwagon on tea who is far less active.

Which one do you think is more likely to give us info?

Which do you think has been more scummy?

I mean I thought we were kind of waiting for everyone to "show up" still

This is the kind of thing I was talking about, why are we talking like we're ready to lynch at all

I'm certainly not

Keeping my vote on Black

Killthestory wrote:
Votecount

ConvergentConclusions is being replaced by KickAssAndGiggle! Transcend has also requested to replace out.

@mod what about zefiend? I think he wanted out too

Dunnstral · Post Post #902 (isolation #107) » Wed May 18, 2016 1:44 pm

I ruined that quote my reply is in the quote basically I said:

I mean I thought we were kind of waiting for everyone to "show up" still

This is the kind of thing I was talking about, why are we talking like we're ready to lynch at all

I'm certainly not

Dunnstral · Post Post #905 (isolation #108) » Wed May 18, 2016 1:55 pm

VOTE: Murdercat

Dunnstral · Post Post #922 (isolation #109) » Wed May 18, 2016 2:55 pm

I'm kind of surprised that TBG is the only one who seemed to care about my vote

Basically Murder has been lying super low ever since the votes have been taken off of him, and all pressure has been removed. That's my opinion and that's why I'm now voting him (also my vote was on transcend which is now a not so good vote)

Not quite sure on BlackStar right now but we've got tons of time and I'd like to explore the option of a murdercat lynch again

Dunnstral · Post Post #923 (isolation #110) » Wed May 18, 2016 2:55 pm

Also did I miss something

Or are you randomly quoting super old posts and asking for answers when they're not relevant

Dunnstral · Post Post #931 (isolation #111) » Wed May 18, 2016 3:19 pm

Wait a second my boy MCAT is town my bad guys

VOTE: RachMarie

Dunnstral · Post Post #936 (isolation #112) » Wed May 18, 2016 3:24 pm

Oh they'll follow all right

Dunnstral · Post Post #941 (isolation #113) » Wed May 18, 2016 3:25 pm

This is the part where TBG reveals he's also scumreading RachMarie and votes with me

Dunnstral · Post Post #943 (isolation #114) » Wed May 18, 2016 3:27 pm

In post 937, Chumba wrote:
In post 928, Accountant wrote:Don't you think that a town who found the cases ridiculous would simply roll their eyes and dismiss the idiot, and go back to actual scumhunting? It's reasonable to spend some time defending yourself, but it's counterproductive if you spend so much time defending yourself that you can't scumhunt properly.
Now that BS has chimed I can respond.

Have you ever played a game of Mafia before? Because if you have you would see players attacking the bad cases way more often then somebody just ignoring it. I can't even remember the last time I've see town just ignore bad cases on them.

Nah I'm always ignoring bad cases that go on for too long

Like the one on chumba, like the one on TBG, like I would have if murder kept going on about me for a longer period of time

Dunnstral · Post Post #946 (isolation #115) » Wed May 18, 2016 3:28 pm

Lol and now as soon as i do that Mcat's got rachmarie at the bottom of his list

It's ok you can vote with me

Dunnstral · Post Post #949 (isolation #116) » Wed May 18, 2016 3:29 pm

I've basically just tuned out BlackStar at this point not even sure what he's saying right now

Dunnstral · Post Post #951 (isolation #117) » Wed May 18, 2016 3:31 pm

In post 948, MURDERCAT wrote:Whatever Dunn I had that before you posted that, look at the times.

I mean I'm seeing a solid 6 minute gap there so not sure what I'm looking for

MURDERCAT wrote:I was working on that for like 5 minutes before you even posted

So you must have reasoning then yes? If you've been working on it for ~10 minutes, can I hear your detailed thoughts on:

BlackStar
Rachmarie
Zefiend

?

Dunnstral · Post Post #956 (isolation #118) » Wed May 18, 2016 3:37 pm

In post 953, BlackStar wrote:
In post 949, Dunnstral wrote:I've basically just tuned out BlackStar at this point not even sure what he's saying right now
Try actually listening. It'll help.

Honestly I've basically disagreed with everything you've said all game, just not sure of your alignment

Dunnstral · Post Post #963 (isolation #119) » Wed May 18, 2016 4:37 pm

RachMarie do you know why I voted you?

Dunnstral · Post Post #969 (isolation #120) » Wed May 18, 2016 4:58 pm

Basically I wasn't a fan of her posts talking about the lurkers and replacements and all - no solid reason there just not liking it

Additionally it kind of feels like she's

defending

chilledtea and not in a good way - I know you guys don't like these associations but it kind of looks like Rach is mafia trying to defend town chilledtea for "town cred" later on

Also this talk about "not wanting to nolynch" when we've got 10 days less is silly and looks like mafia trying to bring up a town point of view

oh and she initially ignored my vote on her

Dunnstral · Post Post #974 (isolation #121) » Wed May 18, 2016 5:43 pm

I don't think even you can explain why you're town my man

But yea it was we'll say half legitimate maybe a town lean

Dunnstral · Post Post #975 (isolation #122) » Wed May 18, 2016 5:44 pm

In post 972, Accountant wrote:Dunnstral I'm not particularly convinced by your case on Rach since I don't see scum motivation behind bringing up stuff like lurkers and nolynch. At worst it's a waste of time but I can see her trying to solve the game.

on't worry I'm convinced enough on my case for the both of us

Dunnstral · Post Post #977 (isolation #123) » Wed May 18, 2016 6:08 pm

You don't know that for sure yet

Dunnstral · Post Post #980 (isolation #124) » Wed May 18, 2016 6:35 pm

In post 978, RachMarie wrote:Just because we have the number of days available to us, does not mean it takes all of them to get it done, there is a balance between quick or derp lynching too early and waiting til the last minute.

And you think when 3 people are getting replaced and we have 10 days left is a good time to lynch?

Dunnstral · Post Post #984 (isolation #125) » Wed May 18, 2016 7:27 pm

In post 981, RachMarie wrote:Not saying lynch today, saying we need to get some consolidation, our votes are all over the place. Right now most of the people are focused ONLY on the low posting or no posting getting replaced slots. Meanwhile we do have posts from Black that are scummy, and posts from mc that are scummy, why are we not looking more at them?

And I'm shifting my vote(s) from someone who just left to you after looking more at them

Not sure what you mean "why aren't we looking more at them" specifically for blackstar since there's definitely a lot of attention on him

Dunnstral · Post Post #987 (isolation #126) » Wed May 18, 2016 8:47 pm

Dunnstral · Post Post #993 (isolation #127) » Wed May 18, 2016 9:29 pm

In post 991, Derek12 wrote:
@Dunnstral:
Sell me on Rach

Alright alright

875 felt like a weird post - seems like she goes beyond what's necessary to try and explain her town read on IAI (and I still think it's weird after seeing that but the read itself isn't why I'm voting her)

The way she's "pushing" BlackStar is by saying we shouldn't lynch inactives - lol? Doesn't actually get direct with Blackstar

I'm getting this feeling like she's trying to be reserved and non-confrontational

Additionally, just the fact that I'm not really seeing her as town makes me more inclined to believe she's straight up mafia.

I said some other stuff about her too earlier, might overlap a bit

Derek12 wrote:Surprisingly little happened over those 13~ or so pages. If there's anything in particular that you want me to talk about, feel free to mention it in case I missed anything.

I'm kind of feeling like I'm not contributing anything

And then I look at what other people are posting and go "oh I'm fine"

Dunnstral · Wed May 18, 2016 10:39 pm

In post 997, Accountant wrote:Dunnstral you seem to be trying to sell Derek on Rach harder than you're trying to sell me on Rach. Why?

What's that supposed to be implying LMAO

No real reason it's just that I got asked again and went ok might as well get derek onboard here

Maybe it's the fact that it was actually possible for derek to have voted rach?

Dunnstral · Thu May 19, 2016 10:30 am

Probably asleep, why did you

need

him for something?

KickAssAndGiggle wrote:
In post 199, Dunnstral wrote:Unrelated but I'm not really getting good feelings from Derek12 either

Just the careful wording of their posts and the content... just not a good feeling about them
This was on page 8...which of Derek's posts on pages 1 - 7 felt careful? I mean...the dude alt slipped, hardly careful.

Good work detective, except Derek himself didn't think it was weird and went on to explain why he would be typing in that way so pretty sure you're just wrong here

Also all those why questions are pretty annoying as I believe it's all been explained or makes sense in the time context

Dunnstral · Thu May 19, 2016 12:48 pm

In post 1066, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Valid point, I probably should be. It didn't cross my mind at the time, since I agreed Tea looked bad in the posts he had, there just wasn't enough to go off of. In hindsight, it does look like a convenient place to park an esay vote.

I actually don't like this coming from TBG

Dunnstral · Thu May 19, 2016 1:23 pm

Reasoning: I don't like that your thoughts now don't seem to align with what you've said in the past, and that you're kind of appealing to KAAG almost

Dunnstral · Thu May 19, 2016 2:09 pm

I'm not "understanding" what happened on page 42 either so if someone could explain it that would be nice

Dunnstral · Thu May 19, 2016 6:24 pm

In post 1084, MURDERCAT wrote:Yeah, it's possible, I just think that on day 1 there's always someone who is "obvious scum" who is actually just town getting jumped on.

Isn't that supposed to be you here

Dunnstral · Fri May 20, 2016 11:46 am

In post 1126, chilledtea wrote:Anyways, if he flips town I would have to look at transcend, IAI, KAAG most likely.

What's the reasoning for looking at them?

Also IAI and KAAG same slot or did you mean you'd look at both iso's

Dunnstral · Fri May 20, 2016 12:31 pm

In post 1129, chilledtea wrote:IAI and KAAG are not the same slot, they are different.

Alright I'm confused then

KAAG is nightmareguant?

and iai is replacing out?

Dunnstral · Fri May 20, 2016 12:40 pm

and zefiend still no replacement?

Man I can't keep track of who's who right now

Dunnstral · Fri May 20, 2016 12:41 pm

transcend no replacement either?

Dunnstral · Fri May 20, 2016 2:33 pm

Dunnstral · Fri May 20, 2016 2:46 pm

Not sure how serious you are and pretty sure the slots town anyway

Dunnstral · Fri May 20, 2016 6:04 pm

He's only read up to post 222 I believe btw

I'm waiting for him to catch up fully before I say anything

Dunnstral · Sat May 21, 2016 9:15 am

VOTE: Pants98

Mafia spotted

Dunnstral · Sun May 22, 2016 9:25 am

In post 1181, TehBrawlGuy wrote:Rach gut reads Scum to me for some reason I can't figure out

In post 941, Dunnstral wrote:This is the part where TBG reveals he's also scumreading RachMarie and votes with me

Dunnstral · Sun May 22, 2016 2:44 pm

Yeah we need someone to shoot RachMarie after pants gets lynched

Dunnstral · Sun May 22, 2016 2:45 pm

By the way we have 3 days left and I'm not really feeling good about where we're at

Dunnstral · Sun May 22, 2016 2:48 pm

Pretty sure brawl's town sorry

Dunnstral · Sun May 22, 2016 9:07 pm

In post 1286, chilledtea wrote:Considering he is taking quite a while to even give his thoughts regarding the game let alone catching up, I don't feel better about his slot.

You think he's more likely to be scum because he's taking a while to catch up?

Dunnstral · Mon May 23, 2016 12:23 pm

In post 1313, KuroiXHF wrote:
In post 993, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 991, Derek12 wrote:
@Dunnstral:
Sell me on Rach
Alright alright

875 felt like a weird post - seems like she goes beyond what's necessary to try and explain her town read on IAI (and I still think it's weird after seeing that but the read itself isn't why I'm voting her)

The way she's "pushing" BlackStar is by saying we shouldn't lynch inactives - lol? Doesn't actually get direct with Blackstar
We shouldn't lynch inactives. We should let them be replaced so we can find scum, not just lynch people who post the least...

I never said I wanted to lynch inactives?

Dunnstral · Mon May 23, 2016 12:24 pm

In post 1332, KuroiXHF wrote:Strong Town: KickassAndGiggle, TehBrawlGuy
Lean Town: Murdercat, Blackstar, Rachmarie, Accountant
Null/Unsorted: I Am Innocent, Pants98
Lean Scum: Chumba, Chilledtea
Strong Scum: Dunnstral, Derek12

VOTE: Derek12

In my quick review, Chumba seems to be more pissed off townie but I'm not prepared to pull him out of scum territory. Derek12 should die.

Not to omgus but am I missing somethign here? How did Derek12 and I end up as Strong Scum here...?

Actually somethings off about this whole reads list to me

Dunnstral · Mon May 23, 2016 12:58 pm

Dunnstral · Mon May 23, 2016 12:59 pm

Wait so we're still looking for a replacement for Transcend right?

Dunnstral · Mon May 23, 2016 1:33 pm

In post 1344, BlackStar wrote:
In post 1343, Dunnstral wrote:Wait so we're still looking for a replacement for Transcend right?
Pants is Transcend's replacement. Right?

Yes

Then he should've updated the vote count in both places

Dunnstral · Mon May 23, 2016 2:20 pm

I think Pirate mollie is town

Kuroi and pants are both scummy to me

Dunnstral · Mon May 23, 2016 2:32 pm

In post 1381, Chumba wrote:
In post 1379, Dunnstral wrote:I think Pirate mollie is town

Kuroi and pants are both scummy to me
Based on what? Haven't seen anything alignment indicative from that slot yet

I'm not sure I want to get into one of these arguments, let's just say we have different ideas on what is alignment indicative

Dunnstral · Mon May 23, 2016 2:37 pm

In post 1387, Chumba wrote:
In post 1384, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1381, Chumba wrote:
In post 1379, Dunnstral wrote:I think Pirate mollie is town

Kuroi and pants are both scummy to me
Based on what? Haven't seen anything alignment indicative from that slot yet
I'm not sure I want to get into one of these arguments, let's just say we have different ideas on what is alignment indicative
Humor me. Cause right now it looks like you are refusing to explain your read with a lame excuse.

Ok. Pirate mollie comes in and basically isn't afraid of anything and is willing to just start talking about everything she sees

Also her tone is good

When pants came in I voted him and he said somethign along the lines of obvious reaction test, I didn't like that very much

The way Kuroi is interpretting things is just weird in general in my opinion but that could just be a personal thing

Dunnstral · Mon May 23, 2016 2:38 pm

By the way still leaning scum on Rachmarie too, gonna say I don't even want to vote between blackstar/murdercat today

Dunnstral · Mon May 23, 2016 2:39 pm

Also the fact that pants said "I'll post an opinion every 10 pages I read"

Just feels like something more likely to come from scum

Dunnstral · Mon May 23, 2016 2:59 pm

In post 1393, Pants98 wrote:
In post 1390, Dunnstral wrote:Also the fact that pants said "I'll post an opinion every 10 pages I read"

Just feels like something more likely to come from scum
How?

Sorry I haven't been active, the past few days have been busier than I anticipated. I will post reads today.

I think mafia are more likely to tell town about how they plan on reading up in order to appear genuine

Dunnstral · Mon May 23, 2016 7:44 pm

Why are you casting doubt on town

Dunnstral · Mon May 23, 2016 7:50 pm

In post 1412, Accountant wrote:
In post 1411, Dunnstral wrote:Why are you casting doubt on town

Dunnstral · Mon May 23, 2016 10:09 pm

More votes on Pants please feeling good about this one

Dunnstral · Mon May 23, 2016 10:17 pm

You know why

No seriously not sure what you're asking there, I've explained

Not sure how you can "barely follow her posts" either

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 9:24 am

In post 1448, pirate mollie wrote:dunnstral - I can't tell if he is scum buddying me or if he just naturally has good sense and sees that I am town. I mean of course I want to believe the latter but I also know that I different playstyle that is hard to grasp sometimes also scum have been buddying me a lot lately which makes me paranoid.

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 10:03 am

If pants gets lynched keep an eye out for people who suddenly started to suspect pants after mollie came in

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 1:35 pm

Still think Rach is scummy

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 1:44 pm

KuroiXHF wrote:
In post 1508, Dunnstral wrote:Still think Rach is scummy
So, what did you think about my read on you?

I can see where you're coming from but it's mostly just a lack on engagement from me this game I think

I think it's weird that you cased me first over derek who you presumably wanted to lynch but that's a personal thing

UNVOTE: by the way

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 1:44 pm

In post 1514, Pants98 wrote:
In post 1511, TehBrawlGuy wrote:You have 15 minutes to tell me you're Town and will be posting actual reads. If you don't, I hammer.
I'm VT.

Give me 24 hours for reads because I have to go now.

Faffing about then leaving again without ever doing anything should just be a policy lynch though to be honest

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 1:45 pm

Like I can see the reasoning for your reads it's just all wrong and doesn't look like you looked at everything

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 1:46 pm

In post 1515, KuroiXHF wrote:Four days is enough to change a wagon, I guess. Who would be interested in switching to Derek?

Probably not to derek, it would need to be really convincing and I don't think the evidence is there

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 1:49 pm

In post 1520, KuroiXHF wrote:Dude, it's more than just a lack of engagement. It's coasting by like you're trying to find India.

Thanks for at least being a decent person about it, though.

That's because the whole thread is blackstar and chumba directing the conversations in a dumb way (sorry)

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 1:50 pm

By the way that unvote was on pants if you haven't gathered, I don't want to hammer him just yet

In fact I think we should be taking a closer look at rachmarie now.

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 1:53 pm

Like within a span of 3 posts she goes from not caring about transcend at all to intent to hammer pants

I'm getting the feeling that this is a mislynch or a bus from rachmarie and I'm actually leaning towards it being a mislynch

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:02 pm

In post 1533, Pants98 wrote:Because I don't hink I can do anything about it.

LMAO he's still here................

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:05 pm

Ok look at the way Rachmarie was pushing on muredrcat and blackstar being two likely scum, suddenly she's ready to hammer pants

Doesn't help that this pants wagon formed up super quick either when nothing seemed to be happening before (and indeed a wagon on transcend never took off)

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:05 pm

Pirate mollie are you townreading rach for meta reasons?

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:07 pm

RachMarie wrote:Read my list Dunn

I had that typed up before the list showed up, still makes sense for the time it was written

Pants98 wrote:Well when do you want me to do it, never?

Why are you still here posting in thread and not contributing, but said you'd give reads in 24 hours...?

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:08 pm

In post 1545, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 1524, Dunnstral wrote:By the way that unvote was on pants if you haven't gathered, I don't want to hammer him just yet

In fact I think we should be taking a closer look at rachmarie now.
oh rly

no matter what you come up with about rach it will NOT make pants look any townier

but thanks for making this easier I guess

Don't give me that I voted pants as soon as he joined in

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:09 pm

I'm wondering how your read developed because halfway through the pants wagon you were still talking about something else

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:10 pm

Honestly that's not even a bad list that rach has

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:14 pm

Ok here is where I'm at right now:

Pirate mollie is town
TBG is town
Chumba is town
Accountant town lean
murdercat around null
kuroi around null now
kaag null even though everyone else seems to super townread him for his catchup
derek12 around null but might be scum by poe
blackstar leaning scum still
chilledtea leaning scum and I can't remember much of what he's said recently
Rachmarie leaning scum
Pants98 leaning scum but starting to think he might be being bandwagoned by mafia - need to check who's voting

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:15 pm

I also want to hear kuroi's case on derek before the pants lynch too

I don't see a downside towards waiting as there seems to be a bunch of information coming in right now mollie

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:17 pm

In post 1501, Killthestory wrote:
Votecount
Pants98
(6/7)
: Dunnstral, KickAssAndGiggle, Blackstar, chilledtea, MURDERCAT, pirate mollie
Blackstar (3/7): Accountant, RachMarie, TehBrawlGuy
TehBrawlGuy (1/7): Chumba
MURDERCAT (1/7): Derek12
Derek12 (1/7): KuroiXHF
Currently not voting (1): Pants98

Time Until Deadline
3 Days, 23 Hours, 35 Minutes [UTC - 6]

and tbh/rach both had intent to hammer

It's pretty much as I expected - very possibly pants is just town and mafia blackstar, chilledtea, rach all on board

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:17 pm

That's l-1 by the way

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:17 pm

Nobody hammer before kuroi explains his read on derek

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:20 pm

All my scum reads are voting pants or intend to. This is a mislynch for sure regardless of how scummy pants is

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:21 pm

In post 1541, Dunnstral wrote:Pirate mollie are you townreading rach for meta reasons?

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:23 pm

In post 1566, Accountant wrote:Just caught up, wanted to do a percentage list but you guys hate that so time to old skool it

BlackStar, KAAG and Chumba are near confirmed town in my eyes, mollie, Dunn and Rach are middling town, Derek is weak town, chilled and murdercat is scumlean, Kuroi is null, TBG is 95% scum.

Since when scumreading tbg? or is this something obvious I overlooked

from your own list look at all the scummy players you have on the pants wagon. That's how you sort the slot.

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:23 pm

Literally all of your scum reads are on board

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:26 pm

In post 1574, Accountant wrote:
In post 1571, Derek12 wrote:Accountant, can you explain your change on TBG.
I think he's scummy

Honestly he's acting a bit weird on this pants wagon

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:29 pm

In post 1575, Accountant wrote:
In post 1573, Dunnstral wrote:Literally all of your scum reads are on board
Who's your suggested lynch candidate? I believe there's a legitimate chance scum is bussing useless teammate.

Ok but his entire team piles onto him at the drop of a hat?

RachMarie wrote:@Dunn

Umm wait you really think as scum I would bus BOTH my scum budz, dude I dont do that, I rarely bus at all and only if I have no choice in it. Most players on site are much better than I am, so yeah not worth the potential town credit to bus in my case.

Also I have never been in a game where all the scum are on the wagon EVER. Scum don't do that they spread the love around so its less likely people will connect them. Scum would push different wagons and try to keep us from lynching at all on D1. Scum do not all pile up on one wagon. I have not seen that, so if you know of a game where all the scum were on the same wagon this close to a lynch please, share with me.

Now you want to see a good scum bus check out Nacho, he hard busses his scum budz like mad, even bussed me and got me lynched when I was the scum PR.

I dont bus much and certainly would not bus someone as active as Black is,

Why are you scum reading tea BTW?

Probably not to the first part.

The second part is very possible as pants is the easiest mislynch in the world if he's town

I've been scumreading chilledtea for a while and nothing he said has really made me reconsider it

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:31 pm

In post 1581, Derek12 wrote:
In post 1573, Dunnstral wrote:Literally all of your scum reads are on board
The thing is, I'm pretty sure almost everyone dislikes the slot at this point.

It just so happens that all the players getting scumread are on board though

I'm against this lynch

Accountant wrote:He's been acting weird all game

I actually thought my vote on Pants was a hammer which is why I revealed my actual read on TBG

Why were you keeping it a secret? I agree that just recently the pants stuff is weird as he's super quick to hammer

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:32 pm

Also why try to hammer while we're still waiting on that derek read, or did you overlook that part? Or do you just not care...

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:32 pm

In post 1587, Accountant wrote:I was keeping it a secret so I could continue to tunnel BlackStar.

!?!?!

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:42 pm

In post 1590, BlackStar wrote:
In post 1516, Dunnstral wrote:
KuroiXHF wrote:
In post 1508, Dunnstral wrote:Still think Rach is scummy
So, what did you think about my read on you?
I can see where you're coming from but it's mostly just a lack on engagement from me this game I think

I think it's weird that you cased me first over derek who you presumably wanted to lynch but that's a personal thing

UNVOTE: by the way
Up until this point you were still on board with the lynch. And I was already on the wagon. So why'd you randomly change your mind

Instead of throwing shade how about actually reading what I wrote....

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:43 pm

Pretty sure nobody is gonna vig chumba btw

Unless you want to out yourself as vig, by going after chumba

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:44 pm

No he's l-1 because I unvoted

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:45 pm

Why does everyone want to quicklynch

This is VERY likely a mislynch on town in my mind

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:47 pm

In post 1596, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 1575, Accountant wrote:
In post 1573, Dunnstral wrote:Literally all of your scum reads are on board
Who's your suggested lynch candidate? I believe there's a legitimate chance scum is bussing useless teammate.
pssst

here is a seekrit to majority lynches

you have to convince scum it is in their best interest to do so (bus)

otherwise they will waffle like bunnyrabbits and hide amongst confused town and never vote their scummate at all or vote them then unvote them when shit gets real or talk about dunn and not say much about pants

You can't be thinking me and pants are both mafia and that I'm sitting here making a spectacle of myself when there's like 3 people who have intent to hammer

Also the fact that I was on pants fast and early when I wouldn't have a reason to as scum

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:47 pm

In post 1595, Accountant wrote:I'm so confused by dunn

he's an unsortable machine, but not in the bad way like pants was

if this was a larger, non-normal game I'd suspect him of traitor or third party or something

What do you mean?

Dunnstral · Tue May 24, 2016 2:53 pm

KuroiXHF wrote:
In post 114, Derek12 wrote:VOTE: BlackStar

Mostly gut right now.

In post 124, Derek12 wrote:I have a hard time reading MURDERCAT. To be blunt, shit like 108 makes it hard for me to distinguish.if.he's scum or just playing poorly now. :3

In post 1604, Dunnstral wrote:Why does everyone want to quicklynch

This is VERY likely a mislynch on town in my mind
I'm kind of weighing my options here.

The lynch was either Blackstar or Pants. Both have been close on one point or another. I don't know why Blackstar was saved, and why Pants was chosen next. This brings two options to mind:

1. Blackstar is scum and scum pushed Pants to save Blackstar.
2. Blackstar is town and managed to save him by going to Pants.
3. Both are town and so we'd be at a loss either way.
4. Both are scum.

If this is Option 4, we'd see bussing, and I haven't. I also don't think Pants is scum, because the transition is way too fast. This leaves Blackstar as scum, or both as town. Either way, I don't feel right about this lynch. Especially since I null-read Pants.

I will hammer, but if it's close to deadline. Four days gives us enough wiggle room.

Why do I not like this post?

Probably the last line at the end to be honest, and the fact that he brings up scenarios

Though on the other hand I'm thiking all the scum might just be on pants right now