Mini Normal 1797 Probably Not Actually Normal Mafia [GG]

[snoe]

Also; Kappy, Necro, Sick,

snoe

& Inspector: Do I know any of you by another name??

Not me, unless we know each other IRL and never talk about Mafia. Very unlikely ...

i have a feeling this is going to be one of those 100+ pages games soo uhh

2 questions for everyone:
1: why did you choose ur username?

it's derived from my real name. "nose" would have been a possibility

2: how many times did you play as scum so far? estimate if you played too much scum ur like scumlord

played scum once and town once - this is only my 3rd game, so expect me to suck

Also:
To me, the game is def still in the RVS half of the spectrum still, but heading the other way pretty quickly.
And Kappy's quasi-PL was bad.

[snoe]

Ok... So how would you like to vote or contribute the game right now?

Sick makes a reasonable point/prod - I do need to get off the sideline - with a helping of unnecessary passive-aggression. Townish. I get town from his overall approach, too, Nadiah's post 102 notwithstanding.

Also - Kappy is trying to get a rise out of KTS, and I don't think it's for fun.
VOTE: Kappy

Also - we have no guidance on game structure besides 6/7 and 1 or more VT, correct? Could be any roles, maybe even newly invented ones? (Mafia Copy Editor: night action is to specify up to 10 posts for deletion.)
This is my first game outside RTRome, so I'm looking for advice on how deep to dive into the wiki's roles section. (Like, should I worry about Insane Cops and stuff?) Thanks

[snoe]

you wat. 'hes trying to figure out if someone is scum; omg he must be scum'. where is your logic?

Yeah, I wasn't quite clear. I saw Kappy trying to "get a rise" out of KTS more than just a scumhunting reaction. The egging on, mocking grammar etc. looked like trying to provoke a blowup. KTS, Kappy, and I just finished a game where KTS got wrongly scumread by many after going off a bit. Thought Kappy might've been going for something clever in getting the ball rolling on KTS.
Don't know how much you all are relying on that little dynamic between the two of them in scumreading KTS, but I see Kappy as scummy for making the play.

[snoe]

BTW, yes I am a doublevoter.

This is apparently a thing, now that I look it up! I had no idea. I thought it was the mod nodding off. He did say that we were responsible for keeping track of vote counts, not responsible for errors, etc.

Still thinking about what that means as far as Kappy's alignment. But definitely
UNVOTE: Kappy

[snoe]

Need to look over things again - in the meantime:
1) Kappy: KTS annoys people a lot; don't let that be your

only

reason to vote him
2) Anyone who wants to throw out game-theory stuff about the double-voter role, do ... if it's safe to do so

[snoe]

VOTE: Kappy

Late entrance to game + parking RVS vote on KTS for too long, then moving your vote to obv!town is just not satisfactory. I know it's not a solid case, but it's the best I could come up with.

stop

fucking

voting dramonic it's idiotic.

I don't believe in swearing, anyone who swears is a bitch.

To me, Kappy sounds like scum, or someone who really likes living on the edge/playing with fire/russian roulette/pick your poison.

[snoe]

kappy wagon is meh

your meh is meh, meh frehnd

[snoe]

VOTE: kappy

hmm
UNVOTE:
VOTE: snoe

The thinking-out-loud part in 211 doesn't seem right to me. Not OMGUSing the vote for me - if Dwlee changed his mind about Kappy, it makes sense, because I was still leaning scum on Kappy at that point.

But the "hmm" and about-face seem forced.

[snoe]

Trying to decide on Sick.

Nahdia (multiple posts) and Cooldog (mainly post 335) make decent points. Dramonic, KTS, Firebringer, and NotMaf - having trouble making out their reasoning. Which is not unusual in this game and for this player (me).

Open to pro/con Sick arguments if anyone wants to make them?

PS: Sorry I haven't been posting/contributing more - busy week, and this game is ... different. A little bit of a "Tower of Babel" vibe, if that makes sense.

[snoe]

What initiative does a town member have to defend a player that is soft town-null? There is none.

This whole post is so antithetical to my own beliefs. (based on limited experience.) I think that defending someone, even if you're not 100% on their alignment, can sometimes make sense. Don't scum join wagons? Doesn't pushing back against wagons, pointing out weak arguments, help if the wagon is wrong?

I get that it's CoolDog's approach, and maybe it works, but I just disagree on the principle.

[snoe]

Well its kts

Egg-motherfucking-zactly.

[snoe]

Entire ISO, RQS, doubtcasting a doublevoter and a paltry defense of obvscum

That is, indeed her entire ISO. It was bad

before

the flips.
VOTE: Necrogirl

[snoe]

Everyone, I'm working for next 4 hours. Really sorry, but I can't catch up and vote etc until 4-5 hours from now.

[snoe]

Okay, I do see i am outed as MC's partner. Here's the crumb:

Where was I?

Dwlee99 - 207 Is this a joke? I’ve at least one of your games dwlee, I but I can’t tell if this is a joke. If not this post is terrible

211 This is bad too dwlee

snoe

- 230

M

aybe

a

s

cum

o

beying?

N

ot believing he is just now seeing the double vote.

necro - 240 so bad, necro and dwlee are scum together

snoe - weird back and forth on kappy 243

cooldog - 250 thank you

inspector - 285 I don’t think it’s fake

snoe - 338 agree with this

cooldog - 343 mm I'm feeling you cooldog

blah blah blah ok

time to look at the wagon, then a reads lists.

[snoe]

Back later

[snoe]

working on it

[snoe]

I need time. Back Saturday y'all. Relax and get your stories straight

[snoe]

What MC said. Thoughts from Fire, CoolDog, Dramonic?

[snoe]

Waiting on snoe's input now.

Looking things over

[snoe]

VOTE: dramonic

[snoe]

You should literally be fine lynching anyone but yourself.

OMG, R? FFS. SMH.

[snoe]

No, Im not fine lynching the remaining mafia..

Okay, I'll bite. Why is dram the remaining mafia?

[snoe]

Yup.

[snoe]

There are enough unknown variables in the setup to make DwLee's analysis worthless even if he WERE town.

[snoe]

Dwlee, why were you so casual about hammering yesterday but so nervous now?

YUP

[snoe]

I'm not going to say "yup" again, but ... please claim, Dramonic.

[snoe]

Dwlee, why were you so casual about hammering yesterday but so nervous now?

Cause rn lynching the wrong scum makes us losem

Ok, but elaborate on why Dramonic is Mafia, not WW.
Not using votes on you as the only reason. MC and I do not know you're town, the way you say you do.

[snoe]

Actually, never mind. Just vote Dramonic. Don't put out more info for scum to use.

[snoe]

Yes

[snoe]

If you're town - any of you - this is a Hail Mary situation. If you're not in Dramonic's faction, this is also a good move. So do it.

[snoe]

See you all tomorrow, maybe!

[snoe]

It'll be about 5-6 hours before I have significant time, but I read MC's plan in the Madon thread and it sounds good to me

[snoe]

VOTE: nahdia fingers crossed.

[snoe]

Good game, y'all! Definitely learned a lot about more complex setups like this one. Thanks for replacing in and working so hard, MC!

[snoe]

part of me wants to say i got robbed because i feel like the masons didn't even read this day and i think some of my points were pretty strong.

Your points

were

strong, but remember we had day talk - I did read through today before hammering, but the lack of a strong role-specific crumb really clinched it for me.