Mini 1782 Game Over

[Jake from State Farm]

/confirm

[Jake from State Farm]

No, RC, Jake is obvtown.

Flattery will get you everywhere

[Jake from State Farm]

Pregame is over I guess.

vote rc

Cause if he's scum he's gonna fool everyone and probably win by getting a cop/gunsmith clear lynched. If he's town well RC is never town.

[Jake from State Farm]

Oh guess pregame isn't yet. I should not read at a red light lol

[Jake from State Farm]

is there anything about RC alarming you

or just the fact he is always scum?

Haven't read any posts yet so idk. I just dislike RC

[Jake from State Farm]

Why the hell is pregame so damn long?

[Jake from State Farm]

TIME UNTIL GAME START

(expired on 2016-04-04 17:30:00)).

Why?

[Jake from State Farm]

{Maverick, JFSF, Roshar}

I'm not dumb thank you

[Jake from State Farm]

Why are you asking people to do anything when the game hasn't started yet?

[Jake from State Farm]

Why is anyone doing anything since the game hasn't started? 8 pages of useless posts

[Jake from State Farm]

Eh I'm too busy to worry about pre game. It isn't arrogance

[Jake from State Farm]

Who the hell wants a long day 1? Day 1s are too long as it is. 7 days max. 5 is ideal

[Jake from State Farm]

Nos is pm?

[Jake from State Farm]

jake what is stopping you to intract with people?

Already answered this sort of. Plus I'm interacting sort of

[Jake from State Farm]

The game will have started plus hopefully I won't be busy like I was this past weekend. Weekends are usually bad for me anyway

[Jake from State Farm]

Then the game hasn't started...

When the title said pregame I didn't really pay attention to anything cause 1. It was pregame and I assumed people were just going to post random bs and 2. I was busy. Had a race on Saturday and all kinds of errands yesterday.

Once I realized people were actually playing during pregame I was sort of confuse by it. I've got better use of my time. I'm also annoyed by this long ass pregame.

When the game starts and my vote actually counts I'll pay attention. You can't get honest reactions from people if they know the votes on them don't matter.

Like we could literally lynch somebody in theory during pregame and their reactions wouldn't give me any info cause they know they can't be lynched so all this voting and shit is pointless.

[Jake from State Farm]

You lynch people to reaction test? now we're talking!

Lynching people is fun

[Jake from State Farm]

he s sensitive , weird and emotional. but thats definitely useful to town if he is one.

thats a meta ofc

RC isn't sensitive. An asshole maybe but not sensitive.

[Jake from State Farm]

Played with him enough to get a good read on him

[Jake from State Farm]

What does it matter? The game hasn't started yet so what else is there to do?

[Jake from State Farm]

Don't insult vote like that. He's not a tool. You'll hurt his feelings

[Jake from State Farm]

We aren't playing a game about who knows him better though. We are having a discussion. I can go back to not paying attention if you'd prefer.

Later

[Jake from State Farm]

I get up, I get down

Get up get get get down
9 1 1 is a joke in yo town

[Jake from State Farm]

Pregame isn't the same thing as twilight silly rabbit. Not even close.

[Jake from State Farm]

Refresh my memory what chainsawy means?

[Jake from State Farm]

That wasn't my reason for not engaging pregame. Learn to read better

[Jake from State Farm]

Eh I'm too busy to worry about pre game. It isn't arrogance

[Jake from State Farm]

But yes those posts you quoted are also reasons why I wasn't enguaging. I just kept popping in waiting for the game to start and didn't realize the mod implemented a mandatory 3 day pregame. I wasn't paying attention to posts cause Friday- Sunday was busy for me

[Jake from State Farm]

You really should stop that.

[Jake from State Farm]

Do you have any reads you'll feel like pushing when D1 starts in an hour or two?

This directed to me?

[Jake from State Farm]

When the day starts I'll be reposting my original vote that I didn't realize didn't count cause we were in pregame.

[Jake from State Farm]

You really should stop that.

why? Its 1 post in 25 posts of each page.

It's annoying

[Jake from State Farm]

When the day starts I'll be reposting my original vote that I didn't realize didn't count cause we were in pregame.

what is your case against RC? "He is never town" ?

Pregame is over I guess.

vote rc

Cause if he's scum he's gonna fool everyone and probably win by getting a cop/gunsmith clear lynched. If he's town well RC is never town.

[Jake from State Farm]

@Frozen you're constant pointing out things you find weird but never commenting on them is really annoying. You've been doing that to RC for a while now too. What is your read on him?



@Jakefromstatefarm, while voting isn't counted, the suspicions and votes will likely carry on to D1.

That's great if that's what people want to do. Id rather wait til we are actually playing the game to formulate opinions on people.

[Jake from State Farm]

vote RC

Cause if he's scum he's gonna fool everyone and probably win by getting a cop/gunsmith clear lynched. If he's town well RC is never town.

[Jake from State Farm]

vote RC

Cause if he's scum he's gonna fool everyone and probably win by getting a cop/gunsmith clear lynched. If he's town well RC is never town.

lmao

I amuse you? I make you laugh?

[Jake from State Farm]

I am playing mhsmith

@roshar - posts like what? And what am I asking for exactly?

Game started. I'm playing now

[Jake from State Farm]

Btw reads list suck. Please nobody else do them.

[Jake from State Farm]

Posts with no content. You effectively put the spot light on yourself by refusing to participate in pre-game, giving us the idea that you'd act differently once the game started. But, no you still post nothing relevant to the game. Did you not read through the past 15 pages b/c they were pre-game?

So, how does this work? You start analyzing posts only after the game starts?

Don't know how I put the spotlight on myself, I'm playing the game. The game just started and I did post something relevant and I am acting differently because I posted a serious vote. I'm not going to stop making jokes when I see something that I can joke about though and if you are thinking I'm going to start right away with content filled posts I'm sad to say you'll be disappointed.

To your other questions. No I didn't read the pages and I probably won't because they are posts made before the game started and imo irrelevant.

[Jake from State Farm]

The lack of scum-hunting right off the bat didn't bother me so much as the bloated number of "I'm not trying, here's why I'm not trying" posts. It's a bit of a vote whip, I'll admit, but right now I think he NEEDS that whip. If he impresses me with his content, I'll unvote.

I'm not here to impress you. I have no desire to impress you and your vote on me isn't going to make me change how I play. You want to policy lynch me for not playing to your standards go right ahead.

[Jake from State Farm]

@Jake Adamant refusal to contribute put you under the spotlight. You said out you wouldn't because you don't see the point if you can't vote, because no real pressure can be applied. The assumption was made, that once you could vote, you'd start using your vote to apply pressure. The argument becomes pointless though, once you say you haven't read the past 15 pages. Because assuming you actually didn't, you have no content with which you can apply a serious vote.

I don't understand why you wouldn't read the past 15 pages, esp if you are looking for allegiances, but I'll give your space to play in the way you say you do. We still have 14 days left. All in all, I don't like the apathy displayed.

And finally, when you say RC is a serious vote, what do you mean?

1. Idk if I would call it adamant refusal. You already know I don't care about the "spotlight" so why mention it now?

2.yea the assumption was made that once I could vote, I would do so and I have. Look how things worked out.

3. Why does it become pointless? Why can't I place a serious vote and not have read pre-game? That's a stupid assumption to make.

4. I don't need to have read the past 15 pages to place a serious vote. I placed a serious vote and didn't read the past 15 pages so I kind of just proved its possible. Side note, just cause I didn't read every single post during pre-game doesn't mean I didn't read stuff. I was obviously posting/responding to people during pregame which means I had to read stuff during pregame.

5. Who said I'm looking for allegiances? Idk even what that means. I'm looking for scum and I'm perfectly able to do that without reading pregame.

6. Don't really care if you like the apathy displayed. I'm not here to appease you or anyone else for that matter.

7. It means it's a serious vote. Meaning I seriously want him lynched cause I think he could be scum

[Jake from State Farm]

Its not a matter of appeasing us . Its a matter of can I relate to this person. Can I clear them. This isn't a one player game where it's like screw you all, I do my thing. People will try to read you. I don't know why this surprises you.
Allegiances. Town or scum. We look for both.
Assuming you hadn't read pregame, placing a vote on RC right after day begins would be considered a random vote.

I never said you put yourself in the spot light intentionally.

yeah I guess since you don't know me you don't really know any better but that's exactly how I play. It is a one player game where I am like screw you all I do my own thing. I don't look for town, I only look for scum.

assuming I hadn't read game my vote could be considered a random vote, because that is what people do at the beginning of each game. It was how I planned to start the game as soon as I saw RC was playing but everything in that statement is true based on my experiences which makes my vote serious. Some people may write it off as a grudge vote which would be a valid assumption as well, but imo he has no useful skills that is worthy keeping around if he is town and if he is scum you definitely want him gone ASAP. This is the guy who double bussed his mafia partners hard and convinced town to lynch a gunsmith clear (or maybe it was a cop) to win the game as scum. he is very manipulative and impossible to read as either alignment. He should absolutely be the lynch today and until I see posts from other people that make me think they may be a better lynch. I like my vote where it is at. I don't really think anything said pre-game is going to change my mind but if you disagree please feel free to provide me links or quotes of posts I should consider.

I won't ignore any case that is made on somebody, so if somebody wants to actually make one to convince me to change my vote I'll be here waiting with baited breath.

[Jake from State Farm]

I like Roshar and Jake more.

My null town lean on RC is now a null scum lean.

Lowell is not the town lowell I know.

Why do you like me and roshar?

[Jake from State Farm]

what do you think about anyone else other than RC?

Not liking roshar personally but that's just gut. No other reads atm

[Jake from State Farm]

Are you seriously asking for people to not provide information to the rest of us? If you don't like them, you can decide not to read them, but getting people's views and reasons is pretty much the only way to convince the rest of the game of your argument.

I think you kind of misinterpreted me. I'm not asking people to not provide information but I am asking them to not provide it in the format of a reads list. People can relay their thoughts on others without making a reads list. List reads give scum info about who they should NK and who they should leave alive to let town mislynch. If you find people scummy you can relay that info without a list read. If you find people town, good for you. Don't share that info unless somebody asks you (which imo nobody should do). No need to share who you think is town, that's not the point of the game.

[Jake from State Farm]

there is an indication I am looking for scum. I placed a vote on somebody I think is scum and said my vote was serious. See how that works?

[Jake from State Farm]

Are you looking for scum in this game

yes I am

[Jake from State Farm]

I understood your vote on RC as a policy lynch situation

ok

[Jake from State Farm]

am I wrong?

you are all wrong.

Once the game started my vote was going to be on RC no matter what happened because that was who I was going to use my "rvs" vote on, although it wasn't going to be for a random reason but for a very specific reason.

My vote is staying on him however because the posts that i did happen to read of his make me think he is scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

seems pretty policy to me?

I'd suggest working on your reading comprehension...

My vote is staying on him however

because the posts that i did happen to read of his make me think he is scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

Anything in particular jump out at you on this front?

Nothing in particular really, just a vibe I am getting from his posts. just feels fake to me

Telling us what posts you think are scummy, and why you think they're scummy, is more helpful than the blanket statement.

Thanks for telling me what you feel is helpful. I didn't ask you for your opinion though

Was that the post that pinged you? Or did you re-read earlier posts to find things that jumped out at you as being scummy?

No that wasn't the post that pinged me, it wasn't one post that pinged me btw. No I did not re-read anything. I think you need to work on your reading comprehension also because I covered this already here

Side note, just cause I didn't read every single post during pre-game doesn't mean I didn't read stuff.

Scum are going to NK for whatever reasons they want

Thanks captain obvious...
I am not going to discuss my stance on list reads anymore though. I don't like them and I don't think any town aligned player should post them. if you disagree with me fine but people have previously tried and failed to change my opinion and it's not going to happen no matter how much somebody disagrees with me. So basically agree to disagree about read lists and let's move on

giving scum more chances to get caught BS'ing

I can honestly say I have never seen scum get caught BS'ing explaining why they thought somebody who was town was actually town. Usually it's when they say why somebody is scum who isn't scum. I don't care who anyone thinks is town, i only care about who thinks who is scum and why they are scum. That is what anyone scumhunting should care about imo.

Can you point me to an earlier game of yours where you've made similar statements?

I can't remember any off the top of my head but I there are multiple games where it's been discussed. You are free to search through my games and look for yourself, I am not going to waste my time

[Jake from State Farm]

2) what looks off wrt my jake push? I'm trying to get him to actually say what he's reading, and talk about what his theory is. Also, that theory looked really odd to me, so I'm trying to better understand him.

No that isn't really what you are doing at all.

[Jake from State Farm]

For jake I'm trying to sort him. I'm finding his non transparency frustrating. I'm also kind of wondering if he's just VI tbh.

I am not a vi thank you very much. if you were ACTUALLY trying to sort me you wouldn't be bothering me with my opinion of list reads. you also wouldn't be bothering me with what posts I have and haven't read even after I already said I read posts during pre-game.

You are trying to make yourself useful by asking questions that already have been answered or that don't really matter.

you wanted games where I talk about list reads, well the MS search function isn't perfect but this should make your job easier - http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?s ... r_id=19874
Just a quick skim I see at least 6 games where I mention my dislike of list reads. I am sure at least 1 of those 6 I was town and at least 1 i was scum.

now tell me how my stance on list reads help you figure out my alignment? I'll go ahead and answer that for you actually because the answer is is blatantly obvious. THEY DON'T.

My stance on list reads is a down to my core personal opinion that I maintain regardless of my alignment.

so you want to try and "scum hunt" me? do better

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: mhsmith

and people question my scum hunting techniques

[Jake from State Farm]

wondering why mhsmith didn't offer to meta dive me?

[Jake from State Farm]

Mh, why did you decide to change your opinion on votes/voting?

[Jake from State Farm]

So you sacrifice your personal play style to vote me to motivate me to play better cause I annoy you?

Btw this makes me think you think I'm town. If I were scum, or you thought I was scum, My play couldn't be annoying you. It would be pinging your scum dar and you would be calling me scum.

So mh thinks/knows I'm town. That was productive.

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't see at all where you had covered this before I asked

That's why I said something about your reading comprehension cause I did and I quoted it again in that post you responded to. Are you not reading my posts are you just cherry picking what you read?

[Jake from State Farm]

Because it's a super easy question for you to answer yourself without a meta dive. Either you represent this position in other games, or you don't. Why would I need/want to meta dive you for that?

So was the question to nos...

[Jake from State Farm]

Because if it's a position you don't normally advocate, it would look suspicious and I'd want to know why. I found your theory odd, and was trying to get a sense of if you honestly believed it. That's me actually trying to figure you out.

Have you ever played the game of Mafia before? If yes have you ever been Mafia or SK or some sort of 3rd party?

Cause if you have you would realize how stupid this post is.

[Jake from State Farm]

Which questions were already answered? And which questions don't matter, and why?

The answer to both questions is almost every question you have asked me so far. If you want specifics I'll need to get to a computer tonight.

[Jake from State Farm]

Just like this game isn't like any of the RC games I've played with him either as jfsf or secret alts. It's different from both town and scum games

[Jake from State Farm]

If you wanted clarity from me you handeled it all wrong.

[Jake from State Farm]

If you wanted clarity from me you handeled it all wrong.

Possibly. I don't really agree, but at the least I eventually got some answers.

Had you asked me direct questions about my vote to begin with instead of voting me to "motivate me to do better" you would have saved time. You would have also stayed off my radar and wouldn't have revealed yourself as scum.

Thanks I appreciate scum making it easy for me

[Jake from State Farm]

I refuse to believe a town aligned player who says he likes to be slow with his vote suddenly throws that out the window to vote somebody to "motivate" them to do/play better. That really makes no sense to me. I have to go back and see if you were sheeping somebody else's arguments. I felt like you were.

[Jake from State Farm]

Post game remind me to ask you a question about post 505 ok shadow?

[Jake from State Farm]

Fair enough. I have those days myself

[Jake from State Farm]

@loop. If you can't figure it out it's beyond your capabilities so no I won't be explaining them. its pretty obvious though.

[Jake from State Farm]

I mean, fine. I don't know what you're trying to achieve and I don't see the problem with being open if it is obvious.

If the play was to park on a quasi-random vote to try and lure out scum, I'd ask how legitimate your vote was on RC and whether we're to read that as your feelings or part of the technique. If not, then it's not obvious to me.

My vote on RC was serious, as serious as you can be on early day 1. I'm suspicious of him still but now I'm more suspicious of somebody else.

[Jake from State Farm]

What's going on here, Jake? And why/how do you differentiate the mhsmith you've seen here from a particularly argumentative town!mhsmith?

What's going on is when I placed my vote on RC I used the original statement I had planned to use during Rvs, but it was still a serious vote because I was suspicious of him.

I don't think I have ever played with mh before so I can't answer your question. I just don't see his motives being town hence the vote

[Jake from State Farm]

@mh. You say I'm not opening up but that isn't true. I've provided now 2 people I'm suspicious of. That's being pretty open. If you don't think I'm scum, why are you focusing so much attention on me? If you think I'm scum, why aren't you voting me? If I'm null then why are you focusing on just me? Earlier you said you haven't been able to figure RC out, yet I don't see you trying to figure him out. If you have stronger scum reads why are you not pressuring them?

I get it, I apparently annoy you for some reason, for what reason I have no idea. I've already done more in this game than most of the other players because I have 2 scum reads and have voted both of them.

You vote me right after the game started because I made a joke, you wanted to know when I was going to start providing content but the game had just started. That's an unrealistic expectation from you. If you were town
Imo you would have had a little more patience. This showed a little bit of opportunistic behavior especially since you said yourself you like to be slow with your votes. Looked like greedy scum to me.

Second, you mention I had a lot of posts that had no content but that's not true at all. You can't expect people to post pregame, it's optional and refusal to play pregame isn't alignment indicative.

Third, I find your unvote on me came due to pressure you were receiving from multiple players (nos/mav).

Fourth, you decided to come back to questioning me right after Nos starts questioning me asking me very similar questions as him.

All of this leads me to believe you aren't genuine in your actions and you are probably scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

What?

[Jake from State Farm]

If you have point related to game why you want to w8 till end game?

It's not necessarily related to the game per se. Plus I need to know his alignment first.

[Jake from State Farm]

If you have point related to game why you want to w8 till end game?

It's not necessarily related to the game per se. Plus I need to know his alignment first.

I'm curios

what is it going to be if he flips town?

what is it going to be if he flips scum?

Won't ask anything if he's scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

He being shadow.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm not afraid of RC. Not sure where you got that from.

[Jake from State Farm]

So do you think he made a bad town play there that you wanna comment on?

Why does it matter?

[Jake from State Farm]

I've actually detailed why I'm voting mh.

Why do so many people have problem reading in this game?

P.edit - which posts do you want to know about? The one from shadow? I dont like it

[Jake from State Farm]

@mh. You say I'm not opening up but that isn't true. I've provided now 2 people I'm suspicious of. That's being pretty open. If you don't think I'm scum, why are you focusing so much attention on me? If you think I'm scum, why aren't you voting me? If I'm null then why are you focusing on just me? Earlier you said you haven't been able to figure RC out, yet I don't see you trying to figure him out. If you have stronger scum reads why are you not pressuring them?

I get it, I apparently annoy you for some reason, for what reason I have no idea. I've already done more in this game than most of the other players because I have 2 scum reads and have voted both of them.

You vote me right after the game started because I made a joke, you wanted to know when I was going to start providing content but the game had just started. That's an unrealistic expectation from you. If you were town
Imo you would have had a little more patience. This showed a little bit of opportunistic behavior especially since you said yourself you like to be slow with your votes. Looked like greedy scum to me.

Second, you mention I had a lot of posts that had no content but that's not true at all. You can't expect people to post pregame, it's optional and refusal to play pregame isn't alignment indicative.

Third, I find your unvote on me came due to pressure you were receiving from multiple players (nos/mav).

Fourth, you decided to come back to questioning me right after Nos starts questioning me asking me very similar questions as him.

All of this leads me to believe you aren't genuine in your actions and you are probably scum.

Hey Maverick. Did you seriously not see this post?

[Jake from State Farm]

P.edit - which posts do you want to know about? The one from shadow? I dont like it

I precisely want to know why.

Precisely it's pointless. It isn't helping progress the game. The tone implies that he's town reading RC but is wanting him to do better or improve his play. If he's town he shouldn't be worried about trying to get people to play better, nobody should imo. People play their way. You either like it or don't but trying to get people to change is stupid. If he found it scummy that's something else but still don't try to get people to change.

If he's town he should be looking for scum. If he's suspicious of RC, that's not the questions he should be asking. So is that precise enough?

[Jake from State Farm]

yeah

that will do

So since everyone things pregame was so important, important enough to care about me not participating in it. What did you get out of pre-game? Why didn't you place a serious vote once the day started based on pregame stuff?

[Jake from State Farm]

Shadow, same question I asked frozen. What did you get out of pregame?

[Jake from State Farm]

Thank you. Any particular posts pregame I should read?

[Jake from State Farm]

yeah

that will do

So since everyone things pregame was so important, important enough to care about me not participating in it. What did you get out of pre-game? Why didn't you place a serious vote once the day started based on pregame stuff?

i dont like the way you try to show that phase was seprate from now.

im pushing my reads and my vote on nos is sirious though.

They are though and your vote is serious but it isn't based on anything pregame.

So I answered your question, why are you not answering mine?

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't think, I know because the reason you gave for voting Nos was directly in response nos said AFTER the game started.

[Jake from State Farm]

Pregame you seemed to not like shadow and roshar and wanted more from nos. game starts you vote nos for him making a mountain out of a molehill or something like that.

If you were using pregame after the game started, I would think you would have voted one of the people you were suspicious of and not the one you needed more from. Just my opinion though.

[Jake from State Farm]

You should develop your reads, but you should also pressure the people you were scum reading. Your vote seems misplaced.

@maverick - i don't really plan on responding with the exception of... You disagree with me. Oh wel

[Jake from State Farm]

or I could be town who doesn't care who you vote for

[Jake from State Farm]

Why are you worried about what I'm doing? I work at my own pace. Maybe I don't necessarily want him lynched RIGHT NOW. Maybe I want to like around and figure out her people out. You know like what I've been doing with frozen?

Go read my post about people shouldn't be trying to change the way people's play. It's very relevant right now since that's what you are trying to do with me.

[Jake from State Farm]

or I could be town who doesn't care who you vote for

The issue is that you should care. It doesn't matter if you're right or wrong if you can't get people to agree with you. If you have a case, make it.

No I shouldn't care. Seriously people stop telling me what I should and shouldn't do and should and shouldn't care about. Mind your own fucking business

[Jake from State Farm]

I know how this game is played. I know what needs to be done to get somebody lynched. I'm not a newb.

P.edit - I don't care who you actually vote for but I'm trying to figure out why you would ignore scum reads and vote somebody for something that wasn't scummy. Your actions don't make sense and I'm seeing how you do explaining yourself.

P.edit x 2 - I'm not

[Jake from State Farm]

So besides the mountain out of molehill comment why are you scum reading him? What specifically did he post between him being null and your vote on him that made him scum to you.

[Jake from State Farm]

Third, I find your unvote on me came due to pressure you were receiving from multiple players (nos/mav). This is misrepresentation. I never put any pressure on mh to remove his vote at all.

Sorry I did want to respond to this. I never said people were pressuring him to remove his vote.

[Jake from State Farm]

thats the point he was posting nothing and suddenly all he was posting was about something bs and according to him later on : not alignment indicative

Hmm ok.

[Jake from State Farm]

I can live with that.

Why the quotes?

[Jake from State Farm]

Pressure =/= pressure to unvote. I never said he was pressured to unvote. That could easily make you look like you are trying to twist my words to make me look like a liar.

At the time mhsmith was voting me, you and nos were basically talking about acum active lurking and not wanting to draw attention to themselves and that's not what I was doing. It was because of both of you he unvoted.

That looks like he felt pressure in some way and decided to unvote since 2 people were basically saying the same thing. Now if he wasn't feeling pressure and just changed him mind, who knows but it looked to me like he felt pressure.

[Jake from State Farm]

Does that mean accurate? If yes thanks.

[Jake from State Farm]

I haven't lied or misrepresented anything thank you very much. I don't care if I get lynched but don't you dare question my integrity and falsely accuse me of things that just aren't true

[Jake from State Farm]

I amuse you? I make you laugh?

Do you happen to have an estimate for when you're going to start playing? Or will we be getting another 30 or so posts that are variations of "sorry guys it's just too early for me to be playing serious"? At least our other high-volume posters are mixing in content with the silliness. Will this help motivate you to start playing?

VOTE: Jake from state farm

More seriously, this is a LOT of posts to basically not be providing any actual content. If it's a scum plan to just look busy, it's a bad one because of how obviously ineffective it is, but sometimes scum simply don't have anything to say so they continue to speak without saying anything.


Other early reads:

Maverick: seems to be taking the game seriously. Asks questions of wide variety of posters, puts his opinions down on the thread, seems to be genuinely interested in sorting people. Obviously scum can fake this, but it doesn't feel fake to me. Town lean.

FA: Obviously a decent number of the posts were just random crap, but there was enough substance in here that I'm feeling good about her right now. Seems genuinely curious about sorting people, and consistently engages in a variety of discussions with a goal of pushing or sorting people. Town lean.

APF: I'm having a hard time sorting him because I can't tell when he's being serious and when he's just BS'ing / reaction testing / lazy (the discussion about 29 seems misguided in that regard because it felt like intentional BS to me). It feels like he's been more serious lately. I still think his reasoning in his vote for me was weak (and the vote / unvote / revote was odd, especially unvoting me because I "agreed" with his post on RC), but early votes tend to be on the weak side unless you've got really dumb scum or something. Null for now but it'd be nice to see a bit more seriousness so that I can actually read him.

Roshar: I'd agree that a decent number of her posts were more theory/mechanics than substance, but I'm not sure that this really stands out in this board (so far). I'm not going to vote her just because her theory stands at odds with people on the board. There's also a level of aggression I'm seeing lately that seems towny. Overall null, with maybe a really small town lean, and I'll +1 on Maverick liking her lately.

RC: I really don't have a sense of him right now. The temper flare-up around 164 was odd, but I'm not sure it's AI. Ditto all the talk about his meta.

Nos: Maverick was correct to point out the lack of content in her posts. Naked voting me as a "ok here now I'm providing content" was really weird. Possibly scummy but seems as likely to just be lazy or reactive than necessarily scummy. Lean scum but largely TBD depending on her content.

Clumsy/FL/Kain/Lowell: meh.

I was exaggerating when I said wall. I just found it odd that you would vote someone because they didn't leap out of the gate with scumhunting, when they clearly previously stated that they didn't find the pre-game to have proper reactions. It just seems like gunning for easy pickings to me.

The lack of scum-hunting right off the bat didn't bother me so much as the bloated number of "I'm not trying, here's why I'm not trying" posts. It's a bit of a vote whip, I'll admit, but right now I think he NEEDS that whip. If he impresses me with his content, I'll unvote.

PS While we're talking about vote reasons, why did you vote me? Is it fair for me to suspect that you did it as a response to maverick's prompt to start doing stuff? Or was there a more tangible reason involved?

I also recall asking why I was town in Lowell's opinion too.

Ninja'd: Would still like to know what motivated it given that I really hadn't spoken much at that point.

Ninja-ja'd: I have to roll with Nos on that one. Whilst I'd like her to participate with more posts like the #368 you quoted, I can't help but want to know why you think that's scummy. I don't appreciate how Jake is acting, but playing so blatently anti-town just isn't something I can see scum doing so early into D1.

I don't care about getting lynched, but I do care about being called a liar when I didn't lie. The facts remain mh voted me and shortly after that you and nos in one way or another said things directed at him about how my actions weren't scummy

Here are your posts

I don't appreciate how Jake is acting, but playing so blatently anti-town just isn't something I can see scum doing so early into D1.

I think the point of active lurking is to coast without drawing attention to yourself. Jake is doing plenty of that.

Btw it was this very post mhsmith quoted when he unvoted me.

Nos - voted Mhsmith and later went on to say

I was exaggerating when I said wall. I just found it odd that you would vote someone because they didn't leap out of the gate with scumhunting, when they clearly previously stated that they didn't find the pre-game to have proper reactions. It just seems like gunning for easy pickings to me.

I also think you're gunning for low-hanging fruit with jake, which is why I haven't moved it.

and the one that I liked the best

what's the proposed scum agenda behind jake's actions?

based on your readlist you had a better case on me than jake

SO 1 player is voting him, another is also questioning his voting me. That very looked like pressure to me and he backed off because of the two of your posts. The fact that he actually quoted one of your posts actually prove it imo.

oh and fyi, stop accusing people of being defensive like it actually means something. It doesn't. Town and scum both can be defensive.

Done. Also deleted the subsequent post asking me to do so.
~Ircher

[Jake from State Farm]

SO 1 player is voting him, another is also questioning his voting me. That very looked like pressure to me and he backed off because of the two of your posts. The fact that he actually quoted one of your posts actually prove it imo.

oh and fyi, stop accusing people of being defensive like it actually means something. It doesn't. Town and scum both can be defensive.

Does a player voting him not count as applying pressure, yet he feels pressure? You're focusing on pedantic arguments to support your weak read on smith.

And yes, both can be defensive. However you're being defensive to the point of not pushing a read of yours (probably because you know it's weak as hell and you've been called on it) which comes across as backpedalling scum, not town.

Where's the retraction of the liar accusation? Surely after I just proved you wrong I'm due an apology or retraction of some sort.

I'm not even being defensive and yes the reason I'm not pushing for his lynch is exactly because I know I don't have enough on him to convince others. That doesn't make my scum read on him any less legit. I think he's scum and I'll leave my vote on him and in the meantime I'm looking elsewhere. If he says more stuff I find scummy, I'll add that to my list and once I feel I can make a proper push I'll make one. I'm not back pedaling either but you have proven you don't are about what's true or not considering you didn't concede that I didn't actually lie.

Good day sir

[Jake from State Farm]

oh and fyi, stop accusing people of being defensive like it actually means something. It doesn't. Town and scum both can be defensive.

They can but your reaction / I don't care about getting lynched and your sudden hippocratic push on me "becuase I didn't start the day phase voting the same persons I called scum in pregame" is scummy as shit

i think you mean to imply I'm being a hypocrite. Well I'm not.

Me not thinking pregame was important has nothing to do with the people who acted like it was. You were one of those people given you were participating in it. I asked you a very simple question, and that question seemed to make you stumble a little because you refused to answer it and when you eventually did your response didn't make much sense to me. Now you vote me and try to imply I'm a hypocrite?

[Jake from State Farm]

I didn't lie. Nos and you were pressuring him from my viewpoint. I even provided quotes to support that. So I didn't lie. I'd appreciate it if you retract that accusation now please

[Jake from State Farm]

Other things that are false.

1. That I'm hunting for town cred
2. I've backtracked / back peddled.
3. I'm making pedantic arguments
4. I've gotten worked up about you thinking I'm scum
5. That I'm appealing to emotion

What do I think of you? Null leaning scummy. The more you lie about me the scummier you become.

My reads on others don't really matter at this point because that's basically forcing me into doing list reads which I don't do.

I will say I had a town read on one person, but based off their responses to my questions I'm not so sure anymore.

[Jake from State Farm]

I stand by what I've said. I will not be retracting.

Then if you are town I'll be adding you to my blacklist as a player who has no integrity or respect for the game of Mafia.

[Jake from State Farm]

I didn't acted like its important.

I know its important.

Its the fucking same day phase which I used to develop my reads.

the fact your asking people to stop telling you why your exclusivley playing close / refuse to get out reads / vote others when your asking me to do the same thing is the hypocratic action of yours

So you know it's important but decided to ignore it all and vote somebody else for a bad reason? Tsk tsk

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm asking people to stop telling me how to play. I'm not telling you how to play. If I was doing that your argument that I was a hypocrite would make more sense. All I did was question why you ignored your pregame reads and you had trouble with it.

[Jake from State Farm]

I will pressure whoever I want to whenever I want to

Good for you. Nobody said you couldn't.

[Jake from State Farm]

I will scumread whoever is scummy and I don't fucking care if you think my vote is misplaced.

Ok

[Jake from State Farm]

Why are you so worked up?

[Jake from State Farm]

According to Jake, I have 'No respect for the game of Mafia' Brilliant. From my perspective, everything I have alleged is true, and now you're pissed. For the record I couldn't care less if I'm on your 'blacklist'. That's another AtE - if he feigns anger at being called a liar, he's going to come across more towny, surely? If I weren't so sold already on my read I'd probably fall for it and move on but given your experience I'm happy to look at that as a calculated move from scum that isn't coming off.

I proved I didn't lie. Like with actual quotes that show what I'm saying wasn't a lie. If you ignore that and still call me a liar and you aren't scum then yes you have no respect and no integrity. If you haven't figured it out I'm very big on integrity. People don't like me, that I've accepted. It's not just this game. It's my reactionary play style people have issues with. I don't play well with others. But what I do care about is the game of Mafia. It has rules and integrity. Call me scummy for something, I don't care but attack my integrity and that I do care about.

I didn't lie

[Jake from State Farm]

Lie is abuse of others trust.

don't telling the truth or even giving out false info in a mafia game is not a lie as its happening in the game borders.

No one is attacking your integrity Jake.

Sorry. When somebody accuses me of lying and I prove I wasn't and still accuses me of lying. That's a direct attack on my integrity.

[Jake from State Farm]

This is the kind of thing that comes across as lying in the thread.

I don't know what lying Maverick is referring to about smith, maybe I missed it. Maverick, can you confirm?

I'd also still like to know if Jake's vote on RC was serious or if it was part of gambit. It will help me analyse his play.

it can't be called lying if everything was the truth.

Yes my vote on RC was serious.

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake has presented conflicting motivations in thread. He said pregame was useless (post 198) and that he was busy (post 201) and then when he was called on saying the thread was useless (post 272) he said it was because he's busy and didn't acknowledge the actual foundation for the comment (post 269.)

How can it be conflicting if both are true? Pregame is useless but I was also busy. See how that works? They aren't conflicting, they are complementary

[Jake from State Farm]

K nos let's make a deal.

You actually make an effort in this game and if you have good reasons to TR shadow and scum read whoever I'll vote them with you.

Shouldn't you be making more of an effort yourself before asking others to make an effort? Just sayin...

[Jake from State Farm]

Not sure what to make of smith's post. On the surface it looks like he actually put some effort into writing it. Being a newb player that's something im not used to seeing. Smith are you by chance an alt account?

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't think nos will flip scum. His push seems like a policy because again we have a player who isn't conforming to the norm

[Jake from State Farm]

The person I'm most worried about right now is frozen. She doesn't seem to care who gets lynched. Voted me and nos for bad reasoning and both just happened to be the larger wagons. Still did nothing towards the 2 scum reads she had pregame and have basically abandoned them for reasons I still can't get a straight answer for.

[Jake from State Farm]

vote frozen

[Jake from State Farm]

You waited a long time to made that move

I was expecting you to do that 2 days ago .........

2 days ago you weren't even on my radar.

[Jake from State Farm]

I started interacting with you yesterday and it was yesterday that you said stuff that I found questionable.

[Jake from State Farm]

Only reason why I changed my vote to
You because of the effort smith put in on his post. That looks townish to me so now I'm less sure of him especially since my reasoning wasn't that strong to begin with

[Jake from State Farm]

A False dilemma pushing ?

There are some logical fallacies you need to consider as well

Your questions are basically all loaded questions. Your saying your voting me becuase you think someone else is town which is a sick logical fallacy. Your hard tunneling RC. Your pregame refusal to play was Relativist Fallacy.

I will go case by case later.

Zzzzzz

[Jake from State Farm]

This case by case thing looks like a blatant effort to provide content. The fact that you mentioned you used it in another game where it works for you also makes it seem like you are trying to replicate your town meta.

In other words it looks fake and I find it scummy.

[Jake from State Farm]

im sure people are going to have problems comprehending what I'm trying to say.

If FA were town imo she would have just started doing this stuff instead she basically says "hey guys I'm going to start doing this really awesome thing I did in another game, I was town and I had great reads for it "

Announcing it makes it seem like the motives aren't genuone.

[Jake from State Farm]

This case by case thing looks like a blatant effort to provide content. The fact that you mentioned you used it in another game where it works for you also makes it seem like you are trying to replicate your town meta.

In other words it looks fake and I find it scummy.

I wan't producing content or explaining my reads. whats your problem with me doing so right now? I don't have a town or scum meta. all my games are completly unique and Identical. be my guest on trying to understand it. I know you shall fail and be my 23rd person in list who tried that.

Like I said my problem isn't that you are doing it. It's the way you did it and also the timing seems off.

[Jake from State Farm]

Fruit. You voted me cause you said it looked like I'm not scum hunting but that's obviously not true so why else are you scum reading me

[Jake from State Farm]

@FA. I'm not bad anything. Thank you

[Jake from State Farm]

Idk anything about logical fallacies and I already explained I'm not being hypocritical. I do know that scum is more likely to discredit people by falsely accusing them of logical fallacies.

What I've done is stay true to myself and call out things as I see them. If you want to twist my actions into something they actually aren't that's on you.

[Jake from State Farm]

A False dilemma pushing ?

There are some logical fallacies you need to consider as well

Your questions are basically all loaded questions. Your saying your voting me becuase you think someone else is town which is a sick logical fallacy. Your hard tunneling RC. Your pregame refusal to play was Relativist Fallacy.

I will go case by case later.

Let's disect this post shall we?

1. The questions asking you to explain your reasoning aren't loaded questions. They were an attempt to get to understand your logic and motives. Only somebody who's got something to hide imo would think they were loaded questions. If you answer them truthfully (which I don't feel you have) you have nothing to worry about.

You have ignored your 2 pregame scum reads. You said pregame was important. Instead of focusing on those people you attack nos for making a mountain out of a molehill? That literally makes no sense. It certainly isn't protown imo.

2. I'm not voting you cause I think somebody else is town. That's just outright untrue. I'm voting you because I think you are likely scum because your actions don't look like they come from a town mindset. I did change my vote because I'm unsure of mhsmith, but I don't think he's town. Not yet anyway. So this fallacy accusation is just plain bulllshit.

3. I wasn't hard tunneling RC and haven't hard tunneled RC. You want to see hard tunneling from me I can show you examples. This isn't close to hard tunneling

4. My pregame refusal to play isn't any sort of fallacy. Now you are really grasping at straws. My refusal to play has nothing to do with anything. Nobody was obligated to do anything but make 1 post. The game doesn't start until it starts so people just wasted their time talking.

Now you want to talk about someone being a hypocrite? I'd say that's you.


You said pregame was important yet you ignore your pregame reads. THAT darling, is an accurate example of being a hypocrite. If pregame was important to you, you would have started the game pressuring the scum reads you had.

So as my favorite wrestler used to say

Take those logical fallacy accusations. Shine em up REAL NICE. turn them sumbitches sideways and shove them up your roody poo candy ass.

IF YOU SMELLLLLLLLLLL WHAT JAKE FROM STATE FARM

IS

COOKIN

:drops mic:

[Jake from State Farm]

Idk anything about logical fallacies and I already explained I'm not being hypocritical. I do know that scum is more likely to discredit people by falsely accusing them of logical fallacies.

What I've done is stay true to myself and call out things as I see them. If you want to twist my actions into something they actually aren't that's on you.

Calling all the accusations on you falcy is not a very good way to respond them

There's your response scum.

And if you don't like it. I've got 2 words for you.

[Jake from State Farm]

I will answer that after I posted your case which I will do that last thing tonight

I don't need you to respond
I don't even want you to respond
Cause I don't care about your response.

Your response will only be for the sake of making yourself look better to others. Remember how I said you haven't seen my tunnel mode yet?

We'll be prepared cause tunnel mode is in full effect. My vote is staying on you until you die or I do. Everything you say can and will be used against you in the the court of Jake.

[Jake from State Farm]

Doubtful you flip town.

I just read your roshar posts and you ended it with null (leaning scummy) but he was a scum read pregame. I see nothing in your posts that really explain why you lowered your read on him. I also don't see anything that explains why you chose to ignore him once the game started. Is he your scum buddy?

[Jake from State Farm]

Spoiler:

...maverick is town.

Whilst I shan't dispute this, I'd like to know how you came to this conclusion based on three pretty contentless posts from myself. I'm thinking it's a reaction test? If so, to what end?

I'm not a massive fan of APF's #29 It's very forced and reactionary which simply doesn't need to be the case on page two in pre-game. Hilariously defensive with a voteless OMGUS essentially. Roshar summed it up pretty well in the next post with this, which was my thoughts pretty much upon reading.

But you're hard-defending.

What I don't like about Roshar's thoughts on Policy lynches isn't that she disagrees with them, (I disagree with the concept of Policy lynches anyway) but that she wouldn't policy lynch straight away, she'd save them for D2 'in case we have no leads'. It looks like trying to to the nice thing, but comes across as 'we're saving that lynch for later' which simply appears scum-motivated to me. This brings us to her #32 in which she kind of dispels the above, but doesn't really close the case. Lynching an 'unreadable' player D2 in any case is quite likely either scum-motivated or bad play. How you can suggest that you won't have stronger reads than 'unreadable' D2 doesn't sit well with me, and the whole debacle seemed to ignore the posts so far from APF and RC especially. I'm not getting a massively strong read from this in pre-game since it seems more of a theoretical debate than a serious push on a PL D2 due to the lack of game-specific context throughout, but not only does it appear to me as scum-motivated, I also totally wanted to wade in and give my 2 pennies on Policy Lynches. (They're bad.)

If it makes you feel better I really really do want you to be on my side this game.

The terminology in this alarms me. 'My side', not 'Town' or something like that. Don't like this at all.

I also dislike This post 'If he's town and this is actually his scumhunting then I think town is better off without him anyway.' Going on about how being certain in reads is a scumtell, but for several pages as far as I can follow APF appears to be RC's strongest scumread based on a style of play more than anything. I don't like it either and players trying to call the game early especially in such a manner as APF did irritates me, but it just seems very forced and aloof to me.

So far, I don't like Roshar's play - it looks the most scum-motivated of the bunch and so I'll

Pre-Game FOS: Roshar

. This is followed by RC, APF and then everyone else is pretty null to me right now.

First Wall of the game, get in. *Punches air in delight*

^nice post

pretty much summed up my pov.

I'm still not sure if RC push on me makes him scum though. I know him better than any of you if thats a thing to consider . and his stubbornness and exaggerating his reads is a normal thing for him. I will w8 to see some signs that show me he is town or scum. he done neither.

This looks like you want maverick on your side and also don't really want to tangle with RC because you know he's town and he's a worse person to tangle with than I am when he's on his game.

You have made many mentions that RC isn't playing like RC yet you avoid directly pressuring him. I think RC scares you.

[Jake from State Farm]

Doubtful you flip town.

I just read your roshar posts and you ended it with null (leaning scummy) but he was a scum read pregame. I see nothing in your posts that really explain why you lowered your read on him. I also don't see anything that explains why you chose to ignore him once the game started. Is he your scum buddy?

The burden of proof is on the accuser.

Then its our argument about play styles and personality and omgus credibility as scum tells which make me rethink about your age comment mentioned before uprised my read on you from a scum read to a null one.

Can't prove anything without a flip. So let's lynch you and find out shall we?

[Jake from State Farm]

There's no way anyone can prove anything in a game of Mafia. Cmon you've played this game long enough to know that. Only way to get 100% proof is cop guilty and even then that's not confirmable proof.

[Jake from State Farm]

I can provide evidence to give people reason to doubt you. I've already proved that you are the true hypocrite. I'm also showing other questionable actions coming from you like your refusal to directly pressure RC.

[Jake from State Farm]

What I don't like about Roshar's thoughts on Policy lynches isn't that she disagrees with them, (I disagree with the concept of Policy lynches anyway) but that she wouldn't policy lynch straight away, she'd save them for D2 'in case we have no leads'. It looks like trying to to the nice thing, but comes across as 'we're saving that lynch for later' which simply appears scum-motivated to me. This brings us to her #32 in which she kind of dispels the above, but doesn't really close the case. Lynching an 'unreadable' player D2 in any case is quite likely either scum-motivated or bad play. How you can suggest that you won't have stronger reads than 'unreadable' D2 doesn't sit well with me, and the whole debacle seemed to ignore the posts so far from APF and RC especially. I'm not getting a massively strong read from this in pre-game since it seems more of a theoretical debate than a serious push on a PL D2 due to the lack of game-specific context throughout, but not only does it appear to me as scum-motivated, I also totally wanted to wade in and give my 2 pennies on Policy Lynches. (They're bad.)

This is a part your post don't have. you didn't evaluate anything about her and just said "I don't see anything in there I would call scummy" which is shit becuase your not even evaluated her as town for yourself and basically making a shield against the pressure against her.

This post by FA is weird. It looks like he's attacking maverick's post 150 but this is the same post that FA liked.

Am I reading this wrong? This looks like a criticism vs maverick right?

[Jake from State Farm]

Has anyone pressured the person they were scum reading during pregame? I can't tell but so far I haven't see anyone. Which would sort of prove my theory correct.

[Jake from State Farm]

Wrong. If you are scum reading somebody or multiple some bodies during pregame, you would vote/pressure them once the game starts.

If you ignore those people, that means there was no point in pregame cause those reads you developed didn't matter once the game began.

[Jake from State Farm]

Are you kidding me?

This is not at all what I said there. i said the part mav post had about roshar wasn't in the shadowz post = shadowz didn't evaluate anything about Roshar when he made that comment.

WTF are you after?

That's why I asked if I misunderstood.

I'm after the truth. I'm after your head on a platter.

[Jake from State Farm]

The game is already started ...

we can't just vote

The game is already started ...

we can't just vote

This is the post I was looking for. You said the game started we just couldn't vote. This implies that if you could vote your vote would count. Now when you said that you weren't voting anyone but once the game started you were scum reading 2 people.

If the votes count when the day starts I don't get why you wouldn't pressure the people you were already scum reading, since now you could because you know. They would actually count.

Did you not want to actually vote them when it mattered? That's what it looks like to me

[Jake from State Farm]

Are you kidding me?

This is not at all what I said there. i said the part mav post had about roshar wasn't in the shadowz post = shadowz didn't evaluate anything about Roshar when he made that comment.

WTF are you after?

That's why I asked if I misunderstood.

I'm after the truth. I'm after your head on a platter.

If your after the truth then ask question.

my head on the platter is against town wincon . are you playing against town wincon? Your hard tunneling attitude is a very frustrating mate.

1. Good cause you falsely accused me of hard tunneling somebody when it wasn't true, so now you find out first hand what hard tunneling means.
2. I hope it does frustrate you. Scum are more likely to slip up when frustrated. I've already found so many mistakes from you when you weren't frustrated, I can't wait to see how many more you make now.

I'm watching you wizowski. Always watching

[Jake from State Farm]

I would have voted Roshar If I could back then

so what?

I wanted to vote Nos when I could.

so what?

The problem is when it came time to vote when it matters you ignored a scum read for somebody who was a null read and your reason for voting him was for something that wasn't even alignment indicative. That's a huge red flag

[Jake from State Farm]

My scumreads and reads go up and down so much to stick somewhere

You scumread someone and prododge / misrepresent / stick on your read to that slot till it flips.

That's why your play is way shittier than mine. no offense though.

I haven't once prod dodged thank you very much. I haven't misrepresented anyone as far as I can tell either.

I just point out questionable behaviors.

You on the other hand imply pregame was important but once the game starts ignore everything that happened.
You falsely accuse me of being a hypocrite when the only one who is guilty of that is yourself.
You falsely accuse me of hard tunneling so the best way to show you that it was incorrect is to make you experience it first hand.
You hide behind buzzwords like they actually matter, like they are even remotely accurate (which they aren't). Scum tend to hind behind things like that. Town don't have to hide behind anything.

I'm here right in front of your face and I'm going to make your life a living hell in this game. You wanted me to join this game, I said if I did it would be interesting. Well just remember in the future to be careful what you ask for cause you just might get it

I'll probably die before you and that's ok but I'm exposing you for the fraud that you are and I can only hope once I'm gone people see it. I realize nobody is going to listen to me while I'm alive I just hope they do when I'm dead and gone.

Check

[Jake from State Farm]

You should do that for all the slots mate. unless you want to selective scumhunt which is another logical fallacy

Yay more buzz words.

I selective scum hunt all the time. One at a time I find and lynch scum. Sad for you I've caught you. Now to get people to lynch you. You're in luck though. I don't think I could lynch anyone even if I had mod confirmation
They were scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

i didn't ignored Roshar. I just uprised my read on that slot becuase of the latest interaction we had. something you showed your not capable of doing.

Oh that's a new development. Please show me this interaction that made your read on him change. I think I asked for it earlier or I meant to. I want to see precisely or even approximately when your scum read changed. I want to know what posts he made that made you change your mind.

[Jake from State Farm]

From what I can see roshar was making very good points in his exchanges with you. I think you probably backed off him cause you realized he was somebody who could defend himself well and you are afraid of those kind of people.

[Jake from State Farm]

I told you anything you say can and will be used against you. Stop talking to me shows me you have something to hide

[Jake from State Farm]

NOT DOING ANYTHING IS A PROD DODGE

The only time I didn't do anything was pre game when the requirement was 1 post. I could have not posted ever again in pregame and I wouldn't have been prodded until 48 hours after the game start. Read the rules sweetheart.

You misrepresented me Just in the last page and in the page before and in the page before that.

No I didn't. To use your own words back at you. Burden of proof and all that. If you can prove I misrepped you I'll apologize.

I'm not falsy accusing anyone of anything.

Except you did. You said I hard tunneled RC and that just wasn't true. Look at what Im doing to you did I do that to RC? No. My vote stayed on RC for maybe a few hours to a day and a half (can't remember exactly) that's not hard tunneling.

Just be scum

Sorry I'm not. But you are. Who's your scum buddies? Is it RC? Roshar? Somebody else?

[Jake from State Farm]

Not garbage. In hopes to shine light on who scum is and get you lynched.

[Jake from State Farm]

A wall of quotes of mine. Your best post ever.

[Jake from State Farm]

See scum slip up when frustrated.

[Jake from State Farm]

A wall of quotes of mine. Your best post ever.

THOSE ARE ALL YOUR FUCKING POSTS WITH CONTENT ABOUT ME WITH ABSOLOUTE MISREPRESENTATIOSNS

YOUR A ...

You didn't show how I misrepped you.

[Jake from State Farm]

Post 757 is my opinion how I see it. It can be untrue from your pov but it isn't a misrep
Post 747 is actually true so that's not a misrep
Post 745 is true also so no misrep
Post 743 is my opinion how I see it. You can say it's not true but its not a misrep.
Post 739 not sure why that's here. It's not a misrep
Post 734 my opinion also me showing others what I find suspicious about you. No misrep here
Post 726 my interpretation of things. Not a misrep
Post 720 not sure why that's there. No misrep at all
Post 691 again my interpretation of things.

You aren't really good at this burden of proof thing are you?

[Jake from State Farm]

I'm done explaining this shit

Bye Felicia.

[Jake from State Farm]

and I'm fucking done with anything about this game or you

Just lynch me or him.

This is the point I give up playing with someone like him

You got what you asked for.

You wanted to play with me. You should have done your research first. This is the me I'm trying to change. The one that people hate playing with. You falsely accuse me of tunneling on RC you unlocked the
Monster.

I'm sorry if you are upset but please note this isn't anything personal. Once this game is over whatever happens I'm not going to dislike you.

[Jake from State Farm]

and learn to play please

some newbie games might help but meh I think somethings can't be fixed so meh

You first.

[Jake from State Farm]

Your hard tunneling RC.

If you didn't accuse me of hard tunneling RC, what does this mean?

[Jake from State Farm]

Exactly. You did accuse me of it

[Jake from State Farm]

Again I wasn't hard tunneling him. I voted him and pressured him and not even that hard since he didn't really even talk to me.

It's ok you are caught

[Jake from State Farm]

FA is town. stop jake.

no time for this game atm.

No she isn't and no I won't.

[Jake from State Farm]

And I can't stop intracting with you when you intract with me'


I just can't do it becuase of the reasons you are informed from our last half games. I'm sick and your pushing my sickness. I'm not in mood to talk with you

Just stop posting to me

No I won't. I'm on you like white on rice

[Jake from State Farm]

@mod - I don't think I've been uncivil.

[Jake from State Farm]

Why would I stop pressuring the person I want lynched?

[Jake from State Farm]

FA and Jake: Both of you seriously need to stop talking to and about each other. It's not helpful at all. To anyone. Take a couple days off of your mutual engagement, and come back with cooler heads.

I'm mentally sick

I can't do that

My apologies. Hopefully you get to a doctor soon. Good meds are hard to find.

I battle with depression myself but I've been good lately.

[Jake from State Farm]

Jake if you continue pushing FA I will lynch you for the sake of her mental health.

I think you're probably town but I know for a fact FA is town. stop.

I don't care about getting lynched. So have at it

[Jake from State Farm]

Good I'm glad you have one. My first one committed suicide and took her autistic son with her. Very sad. My current doctor is vey good

I'm not insulting your mental health. That's a serious matter. I wish you well

[Jake from State Farm]

But I don't think she's town and it's the first time this game I'm pretty sure I've found scum. When I'm sure I don't backdown. RC can attest to that. Why he's asking me to now is beyond me

[Jake from State Farm]

what will you feel after I flipped town though?

If in wrong the same I always feel. Sadness cause I hate being wrong.

P.edit - to be fair you did just ask me a question.

I won't direct anymore questions your way but I can't stop calling out scummy posts.

[Jake from State Farm]

Editted out due to sarcastic and somewhat offensive comment.

~Ircher

[Jake from State Farm]

Falsely accused of abuse by the mod AND censorship when the post that was censored wasn't sarcastic or abusive? Smh.

Anyway let's get back to lynching FA ok?

I've reported both the mod and FA and hopefully both will be punished accordingly.

[Jake from State Farm]

o/


Weee

JFSF, stop it.

I'm not doing anything wrong. I haven't done anything wrong. So if you want me to stop playing the game, I'm sorry I can't do that.

Sucks you replaced into a scum slot

[Jake from State Farm]

No I can read players fine.

It happens cause people hate awesome people

Kobe has haters
Lebron has haters
Tom Brady has haters
Jake from State Farm has haters.

[Jake from State Farm]

mod check your pm

This could be my last post actually so if it is it's been fun. People need to lighten up and remember this is just a game

[Jake from State Farm]

Ill be blunt.

Im accusing FA of asking them to

Wouldn't surprise me. I have another theory about FA that I won't dare share but I'm pretty sure she's manipulating people in games in an unfair way.

[Jake from State Farm]

Who's opinions?

[Jake from State Farm]

Well you didn't ask me anything. Ask away before I'm forced replaced.

[Jake from State Farm]

I wasn't forced replaced because I didn't violate any rules.

[Jake from State Farm]

Tunneling a scum read and posting a WWE slogan aren't rule violations.

[Jake from State Farm]

Where u at?

[Jake from State Farm]

Y'all can go ahead and hammer me. I'm town and bleeding obvious at that plus what RC said is actually true but of course nobody really cares about the truth.

[Jake from State Farm]

I read them and I'm repeatedly saying that I had no abusive behavior or whatsoever in this game. I got emotional and I couldn't avoid answering him while he was pushing his shit over and over again - and even though I asked him to drop talking to me over and over and start reading my posts -

asking me to kill myself and taking pleasure in me hurting myself was absolutely abusive behavior.


anyway I am glad town still find a way to pull it out in the end.

[Jake from State Farm]

I think if Titus could have kept me alive she might have had a chance. By the end I was all-in on her as town. WTF I'm terrible at this.

don't feel bad, you aren't the only one playing this game that was bad. Fruit's tunnel on me was absolutely horrible

p.edit - actually yes you did and I could quote it if you would like but I think it's best if we never talk or play with each other again.

[Jake from State Farm]

I'd need to have a re-read but I didn't feel that during the game. Why do you think so?

Cause I was so obv town. Like nothing about my actions or motivations could even remotely come from scum.

[Jake from State Farm]

Of course I'm biased towards myself but his arguments were fucking weak as shit. You have to look at motive and there was absolutely no scum motive in my actions. Plus like RC said (and I don't care if the mod's disagree). Once the mod stepped in we were both basically confirmed town.

[Jake from State Farm]

lol RC deleted everything.

[Jake from State Farm]

Of course I'm biased towards myself but his arguments were fucking weak as shit. You have to look at motive and there was absolutely no scum motive in my actions. Plus like RC said (and I don't care if the mod's disagree). Once the mod stepped in we were both basically confirmed town.

I'm not going to look back and read and I can't remember exactly what was happening. This is a game where people make mistakes, there's no need for you to jump on me afterwards and criticize my play, especially by talking about it like this.

Well I couldn't jump on you during the game so yes post game is the place for criticisms to be made public.

[Jake from State Farm]

Yeah my games always look different after the reviewers get a hold of them also. Once I want to run a game the way I set it up.

[Jake from State Farm]

I don't think the reviewers ever really thought about safe claims too much.... More worried about the swing & massclaims rather than scum being able to fakeclaim in any given situation.

I don't think reviewers make that decision. It's up to the mod to decide of safe claims are going to be given.