Mini Normal 1797 Probably Not Actually Normal Mafia [GG]

[Nahdia]

yo

[Nahdia]

yo

Nahdia, want to be in my town block?

nah

[Nahdia]

well that was fast

VOTE: Sickofit

[Nahdia]

i have a feeling this is going to be one of those 100+ pages games soo uhh

2 questions for everyone:
1: why did you choose ur username?
2: how many times did you play as scum so far? estimate if you played too much scum ur like scumlord

1: it's my name

2: 2 on-site, 4 marathons games, 4 off-site.

[Nahdia]

28. get on my freaking level.

[Nahdia]

Sickofit was really obviously reaching hard for a scumread to push on page 1 and i'm honestly shocked more people didn't pick up on that.

[Nahdia]

the fact that 30 posts later he's still just singing the same tune shows he's really not interested in scumhunting he just wanted someone he could feel secure parking his vote on. it's transparent.

[Nahdia]

no

[Nahdia]

i do not know if inspectscout is scum but i like the cut of his jib and he is now my friend.

[Nahdia]

[quote="In post 164, dramonic"][/quote]awww but he's cool let's keep him

[Nahdia]

the fact that 30 posts later he's still just singing the same tune shows he's really not interested in scumhunting he just wanted someone he could feel secure parking his vote on. it's transparent.

Oh, please tell me more. Do you think his attempt to get out of RVS ASAP was totally fake? <edited out: almost confused my games and came close to posting a question about a player who is not even in this game!!)

Do you really think that's what it was?

Because as of 124 at the very least, he still seems to think we're in RVS.

So no, that's not what it was. Try again.

oh and i absolutely like your word usage

jib:

Canadian slang for methamphetamine

aces playa

[Nahdia]

who is your second highest scumread? I don't want a sickofit lynch rn.

Why.

[Nahdia]

so you're saying newer players are incapable of faking scumhunting?

seems to be like he's trying too hard.

[Nahdia]

What makes you think im not

actually

scumhunting?

Sickofit was really obviously reaching hard for a scumread to push on page 1 and i'm honestly shocked more people didn't pick up on that.

[Nahdia]

What makes you think im not

actually

scumhunting?

Sickofit was really obviously reaching hard for a scumread to push on page 1 and i'm honestly shocked more people didn't pick up on that.

k then how do you know that?

do you really want me to quote the first half of your ISO or...

[Nahdia]

arsonist is explicitly non-normal, Dwlee.

[Nahdia]

aren't you planning on hosting a normal soon? sounds like someone needs to read up on their guidelines ^_~

[Nahdia]

hey guys i still exist.

[Nahdia]

my thoughts are that we're outnumbered, aren't we? :T

[Nahdia]

if the setup was 7-3-3 then we're in lylo bc no werewolves have died.

[Nahdia]

this has been thoughts, from nahdia.

that scumlsit looks good to me.

[Nahdia]

who is "we", murdercat?

[Nahdia]

lol

[Nahdia]

3-3, 3-2-1, 3-1-1-1

[Nahdia]

enough mech posting. have at u.

MURDERCAT

[Nahdia]

whoops

VOTE: MURDERCAT

[Nahdia]

4-2 or 4-1-1 would mean a scum team of 4 people which would be... possible, but really brutal in a setup like this.

[Nahdia]

UNVOTE:
k

[Nahdia]

*jeopardy music plays*

[Nahdia]

sorta but let's let other ppl show up.

[Nahdia]

VOTE: dwlee

that's stupid reasoning and u know it.

[Nahdia]

this feels liek a really really fatfetched way for scum to justify their votes.

[Nahdia]

we lynch groupscum today, scum crosskills, we have the majority back.

[Nahdia]

it's like, kind of a longshot.

[Nahdia]

Right, but that is a scenario where we could lynch scum all three days and still lose which I really don't think is the case.

you shouldn't feel entitled to win as town in this setup for just lynching scum. a huge part of the challenge in this setup is not only lynching scum, but getting scum to not target you and thereby crosskill. looks like we kinda botched the angle.

[Nahdia]

basically what we flunked at in soccer spirits.

[Nahdia]

KTS admitted in mason thread after a long time he didn't read role pm so he was basically worthless as a mason, hence the replace (I think I don't know for sure).

this doesn't make sense to me but ok

[Nahdia]

Im obv town here

no you're not

[Nahdia]

i mean on a day where there's more scum than town i realize this isn't exactly impressive but i'm now literally positive dwlee is scum. he's bleeding it.

[Nahdia]

if dwlee is town i will eat my shoe and post pics.

[Nahdia]

hey murder

is dwlee your mason partner?

[Nahdia]

i honestly don't care who the other one is. drop a code or something that they can solve tomorrow in case u die.

just tell me if it's dwlee.

[Nahdia]

DO NOT CONFIRM MURDERCAT'S CLAIM. ONLY COUNTERCLAIM IT IF YOU ARE A MASON WITH NOT HIM

[Nahdia]

because we don't need to out both masons today?

[Nahdia]

God I hate mason claims in lylo/mylo

i for one like them.

[Nahdia]

if we out both masons, it gives scum more info. murdercat can just drop a code today and his partner can solve it tomorrow to prove.

[Nahdia]

just tell us if who we're about to lynch is your partner.

[Nahdia]

[Nahdia]

we can confirm the other mason later if MURDERCAT gives us a code.

[Nahdia]

there's a dead mason. so we know there's at least 1 more. unless someone is gonna counterclaim, MURDER is clear.

[Nahdia]

there's a dead mason. so we know there's at least 1 more. unless someone is gonna counterclaim, MURDER is clear.

What are you smoking? Theres no dead mason.

Go look at the flips again...

[Nahdia]

wha the fuck.

inspector's flip said mason earlier. i know it did.

[Nahdia]

I'm 100% positive inspector's flip said mason right when it was posted.

[Nahdia]

he's clearly not his flip now says VT but i swear im not crazy it was edited.

@mod was there an error with the posted death scenes which was later removed?

[Nahdia]

right sorry.

still if there was a mod error that should be publicly confirmed.

[Nahdia]

that's stupid.

[Nahdia]

there are, unless it's 3-1-1-1

[Nahdia]

anyway since inspector apparently wasn't a mason, i now want murdercat's partner to claim.

[Nahdia]

well it could be 4-1-1 or 4-2 with a traitor in the 4.

[Nahdia]

Win with scum or endgamed I believe, at least that's what it says on the wiki.

who is your partner. just out them now.

[Nahdia]

dwlee is scum, and he's probably not scum with the mafia team bc of his hammer on necro, so he should be the lynch.

[Nahdia]

lmao.

[Nahdia]

this is actually like v sad dude. your town game is really good but ur scum game is clumsy and awkward as hell. what a flagrant OMGUS. not a towny one either.

[Nahdia]

i mean, i should be confirmed scum to you. what are you even doing, dude.

[Nahdia]

you're trying to justify your own vote on me when i'm literally confirmed in your eyes. you're throwing in stiff lines like "im obv town" as if you saying it enough will make it true. it doesn't dude. take it from someone who flips scum a lot; you need to stop overthinking it so bad because it's painfully obvious how manufactured every post u make is.

OMGUS isn't a buzz word it's a term u twerp lol. and "caught" scum dude you had me as town until today.

[Nahdia]

go ahead and give urself that fake pat on the back for "catching scum" when, again, if you were town you'd be of the mindset that I'M LITERALLY CONFIRMED TO YOU.

doesn't even matter. literally the majority of the table is scum rn. we're not lynching people for "being scummy". we're lynching people for obviously not being on the mafia team. which u are with ur Necro hammer.

[Nahdia]

If you are town

I AM CONFIRMED TO YOU.

[Nahdia]

they are, dude. I've run enough scum campaigns to see someone being awkward in mylo when i see them.

they're not gambiting.

[Nahdia]

they are referring to ur posts being manufactured.

[Nahdia]

u posts are manufactured, dude. I've run enough scum campaigns to see someone being awkward in mylo when i see them.

MURDER and snoe are not gambiting.

EBWOP

[Nahdia]

jesus christ no fucking hell fucking shit fuck fuck

[Nahdia]

english is a really hard language ok

[Nahdia]

taht post was attempting clarification god

[Nahdia]

i don't see it.

[Nahdia]

do you know what the term buzzword actually means, dwlee? and dont take ur definition from the mafiascum wiki.

[Nahdia]

it's only spamming buzzwords if you're not making a point using the term. which i did. so step off, nerdo.

[Nahdia]

im not gonna repeat the same points over and over, dude. u have my permission to think u won this internet argument.

[Nahdia]

my contributions include getting mafia lynched d1 and pushing you today. it's not actually as devoid of content as you seem to imply...

[Nahdia]

and yet, in so few words, i can manage to be completely right. and it frustrates you, I can tell.

[Nahdia]

i don't really feel the need to rip apart your posts letter by letter to prove my point. not about that life style. the fact that you turned and tried to push me in particular was a scummy OMGUS because you overjustified your vote when i should literally be confirmed scum to you.

[Nahdia]

but here it is necessary to legitimately prove you are scum.

you seem to be doing a pretty bad job considering the majority of the table is scum rn.

[Nahdia]

you guys do realize that dwlee is at L-2 and if he were town or an SK, he likely would have been quickhammered by now? he's got partners.

[Nahdia]

not really, no.

[Nahdia]

it's more been like "we've probably already lost. yolo."

[Nahdia]

lmao.

you should probably let me claim before hammering me, just throwing that out there.

[Nahdia]

if you actually can't tell how fake dwlee is being tho that's really kind of sad.

[Nahdia]

just looking at the VCA, probably CD or Firebringer. But we shouldn't be lynching the last mafia if there is another, we should be lynching for other potential groupscum.

[Nahdia]

hey masons, do you have daychat?

[Nahdia]

pointless anyway, i beleive the mason claim bc of the mod error.

VOTE: dram

sorry friendo : (

[Nahdia]

why are you so certain the guy who was on both mafia lynches was bussing both days?

[Nahdia]

survivors are non-normal.

[Nahdia]

[Nahdia]

werewolves tried to brutally murder u last night, murdercat my pal.

[Nahdia]

im actually pretty damn pumped we were in kingmaker if that kill went through.

[Nahdia]

i kind of loathe those "if i was scum" statements but literally if i was scum i can guarantee i woulda shot dwlee since i'd either be putting myself in kingmaker vs firebringer or i'd be 1v1ing firebringer so yeah fuck off dude im town

[Nahdia]

i saved dram n1 and n2, saved murder last night.

[Nahdia]

all you need to do to win this game is trust im not a complete strategic dolt. which im not.

[Nahdia]

highly preferable to crosskill than kill town in this situation. shooting for conftown GUARANTEED kingmaker at best. that's my point exactly. that's why i would have shot you.

[Nahdia]

actually come to think of it i guess the argument doesn't make a difference because it's just as likely firebringer was the one to shoot for MURDERCAT.

this argument can potentially be raised again tomorrow though, if we flip him today, depending on his alignment.

[Nahdia]

You would have kingmakered if you killed any town, your point is invalid.

WHICH IS WHY I WOULD NEVER SHOOT AT TOWN, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE IMPLYING I DID.

[Nahdia]

if you're thinking i'm werewolf though, then the argument definitely does make a big difference. and i pushed mafia from p2.

[Nahdia]

like, you keep pissing yourself screaming that i did nothing when i legit did stuff. so sorry i didn't spam the thread to kingdom come for the first two days. i caught scum very fast d1 and pushed him throughout. d2 i was VLA and this game was p much my last priority in the time i did have.

[Nahdia]

Firebringer is confirmed scum to you if youre town. Why are you saying depending on flip?

YOU MAKE NO SENSE. You should have just shot firebringer and tried to get me mislynched today tbh.

THIS IS LITERALLY MY POINT.

[Nahdia]

YOU'RE PROVING ME AS TOWN.

[Nahdia]

YOU'RE SAYING "YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS" WELL I DIDN'T BECAUSE, WOW GET THIS, I'M TOWN.

[Nahdia]

there was 6 scum d1. i really didn't feel the need to actively sort. i had one person i felt was scum i got lynched, i was also looking for someone i felt was a likely kill target d1 (ended up with dram).

"wifom" in this case is literally just suboptimal play and I don't pull that shit. I play to win.

[Nahdia]

who's using buzzwords now, dwlee?

[Nahdia]

You went from "I would have shot dwlee to make kingmaker" to "I would have shot firebringer to get dwlee.mislynched"

I was going along with the scenario you suggested. it makes no difference, the reasons im town are the same.

Wifom isnt a buzzword holy shit

really? because it's on that stupid ass wiki article you linked yesterday.
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Buzzword

[Nahdia]

okay why is that listed as a buzzword. Buzzwords are used to get a lynch through as scum without even doing anything. WIFOM is used to declare something as NAI.

oh my god get your head out of your ass do you actually believe what you're saying right now?

[Nahdia]

you just saying "wifom" is hand-waving a very strong mechanical reason why i can't be scum. ie throwing out a buzzword. don't declare how your own actions should be read, dude.

[Nahdia]

And obviously if Im scum I would be doing the optimal play as well which would be shooting firebringer. Im not an idiot.

uh huh. so you're just taking my logic and applying it to yourself. you're literally just saying "no me!"

[Nahdia]

dwlee no offense dude your reads are good but the tactics i've seen out of you are mediocre at best so yeah i don't believe you would have realized the optimal kill here.

[Nahdia]

i've seen some serious misplays out of you.

[Nahdia]

Im saying the kill choice was NAI

is this you defending your decision to kill MURDERCAT?

[Nahdia]

the strong mech reason isn't bullshit. if a kill was made that i wouldn't have made, then i'm clearly town. i don't believe you that you would have figured the right move here.

my point was just that i have a lot of respect for certain aspects of your play but your tactical play isn't the best.

the last WW can be firebringer anyway so we're basically arguing about a point that can easily become moot.

[Nahdia]

Ongoing games so no :\

[Nahdia]

dwlee im seriously not trying to insult your intelligence i hope you don't take it like that im sorry if that's how it feels i wouldn't wanna make this personal >_>

[Nahdia]

i haven't read cyberpunk mafia but i'll take your word for it. only reason i kind of suspect you're WW and not mafia is your hammer on necrogirl. though that could have been just hoping to buss and coast to the end since you did unvote and say you don't want them at L-1. then you suddenly hammer them. it wasn't something i really expect you to do to your partner but the behavior was odd.

[Nahdia]

but i mean if you just killed cooldog then w/e.

[Nahdia]

you're including the possibly of me being town when you have me as confscum -_-

[Nahdia]

VOTE: dwlee

not like it makes a difference. if you'd really rather lynch firebringer, i'll switch. sorry if i haven't really towntold enough this game. i guess i figured i should fly under the radar somewhat since i got a protective role but eehhhh. also was just kind of lazy here, no lie.

[Nahdia]

i mean, if we lynch town today, i don't really see the logic behind "scum having to crosskill".

and what you said doesn't really follow as a reason to lynch me in particular. it kind of just reads as a reason to lynch at random. which is... odd?

[Nahdia]

took you a page to crossvote gj

you realize there's two people here that are confscum to me..........

[Nahdia]

and both of them crosskill, town wins.

soooo it's a prisoners gambit, you realize. no one is forced to do anything.

[Nahdia]

but if we're in autowin as you're asserting then why are you concerned about your lylo opponent. . .

[Nahdia]

Yomi Level 2 (2 Town, 1 Mafioso, 1 Werewolf Goon)

As with most dilemmas, the correct response for the Townie(s) is to take a third option and No Lynch. There is absolutely nothing the scum can do in this situation but follow suit.
At Night, the dilemma shifts to the scum. The only way for either scum to win is for them to shoot the other scum. But if both scum do this, then the Townie(s) will be the only player(s) alive, and the Town will win. This is a disheartening outcome so late in the game!
The other option, shooting the Townie, is clearly suboptimal. Going with the three-player example above, if the Mafioso shoots the Townie and the Serial Killer shoots the Mafioso, the Serial Killer wins (and the Mafioso feels dumb afterward). Thus, to the scum, the choice is between giving victory to the other scum or the Townie.
It is worth noting that depending on the moderator, if BOTH scum shoot the Townie, the result is a draw. Since a draw is less than a win, there is no real reason to not shoot the other scum. (Or is there? See Caveats below.)
Thus, the Town will always win

Im actually gonna go check out caveats one sec

this is actually wrong.

Dwlee protects murdercat.

Nahdia protects snoe.

Please confirm you read this and know what you are doing. If the person you are protecting dies, we will lynch you.

got it.

VOTE: firebringer

[Nahdia]

this is actually wrong.

How?

3/4 asleep brain. nvm.

[Nahdia]

VOTE: Dwlee

Remember how skittish Dwlee got when you decided you were lynching Dram rather than me?

Yeah.

[Nahdia]

Also since Firebringer flipped Mafia, we know the last scum is Werewolf.

I didn't look at the Cyberpunk Mafia thread, but even if I'm willing to buy that dwlee has good nightkill tactics, it's not inconceivable he made a misplay. You can only take his word for it that he wouldn't have shot conftown. He was just applying to logic I already outted to himself. Since I came right out with it, I'm either smart town or wifoming scum. And in this case "wifom" is just a nice way of saying "playing suboptimally" which I don't do.

That on top of the fact that dwlee claimed he would do what I said I would do, but previous had been arguing with me whether it was even the optimal move.

[Nahdia]

dwlee do you wanna have a rap battle?

[Nahdia]

you keep saying that is if once you say it 100 times it'll become true but it's still not true.

[Nahdia]

forgive me, for i have flown under the radar as a protective role?

[Nahdia]

and i mean, self-meta, but me being a bit lazy about a game early on is actually a towntell for me.

[Nahdia]

Nahdia you never said if you had a crumb or anything

I did not.

[Nahdia]

and i mean, self-meta, but me being a bit lazy about a game early on is actually a towntell for me.

not really though?
You tried a ton day one in this game:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=65594

and didn't try much in
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=65649
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=66575

and tried a lot early in both these scumgames
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=65645
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=65431

[Nahdia]

in terms of crumbs? no. i didn't anticipate needing them. they're generally just as good at getting you killed as they are hinting towards you role later. anyone can drop a crumb here and there. i played like a doctor.

[Nahdia]

my relatively low participation. d1 i looked for one scumread and 1 townread. i found both and didn't make any other enemies so as to not get targeted.

if dwlee was doing so much, why didn't he die?

and again, the dram thing. i feel like that's pretty much a smoking gun here.

[Nahdia]

it wasn't just not trying much though, you were actively posting but it was practically active lurking the entirety of day one.
I didn't die because I'm seen as mislynch bait, I have gotten night killed I think once on this site.

are you sure about that? maybe read over my ISO again and notice that i was in fact leading on mafia.

I'm not sure how the dram thing is a smoking gun.

reread d3. dwlee flipped the heck out when dram started to get lynched on d3 despite the fact that logically he was confscum to him.

[Nahdia]

and you're forgetting me wanting to lynch cooldog over dramonic because of the thing with my wagon.

you wanted ME lynched, as i recall.

[Nahdia]

my whole reasoning was: "I would have been hammered if there were people on my wagon that weren't werewolves"
I didn't want to lynch in dramonic/firebringer because it was possible they would be mafia. But if you remember I was all for lynching cooldog.

so dram was confscum to you but you didn't want to lynch them bc they could be mafia.

[Nahdia]

and yet, they weren't. wowzers. this certainly is a puzzle.

[Nahdia]

"I was totally wanting to lynch cooldog!" he says, disregarding that his vote was on me all day.

[Nahdia]

MURDER, could you not? I really am surprised to be losign this. what part of "dwlee freaked out when we lynched his conftown scum partner" do you not get?

[Nahdia]

so i guess i need to leave crumbs in every game i play from now on? that's insanely stupid. i played as a doctor plays.

[Nahdia]

this is fishign for a reaction, yeah? this is my town reaction. look at me, so dang town.

[Nahdia]

literally any scum can leave crumbs. in zelda i lost because a scum roleblocker dropped a few flavorcop crumbs on d1 and then claimed that and i got owned. don't make the mistake. the fact that i knew not to kill you and you were the shot is also a really important point you seem to be ignoring.

[Nahdia]

like, i don't play suboptimal. i just don't. by voting me you're asserting i wifom'd which is honestly just insulting. dwlee literally argued that ti was the optimal move, and then later said "oh yeah well i would have done that too!" that's insanely inconsistent.

[Nahdia]

are you gonna talk to me, MURDERCAT?

[Nahdia]

i dunno what else to say. i feel like i've played this game as well as i can play it. there's plenty of really strong points for why i'm town and dwlee is scum and yet you're voting based on a crumb he dropped? or is there more?

[Nahdia]

i'm gonna be pretty darn bitter about this one for awhile if you're serious, murdercat.

[Nahdia]

i dont get why you're ignoring all the evidence piled up in favor of "dwlee crumbed once". that's insane. again, anyone can drop a crumb. my play was to avoid getting nightkilled so ofc i didn't drop any.

[Nahdia]

lmao at nahdia flail

why would i not flail when one mason is voting for me and waiting for his partner to show up and hammer me? i'm pretty sure flailing is the appropriate response here.

[Nahdia]

these potshots should really be painting a picture. he doesn't actually have any good points on me he's jsut pointed to stuff that's entirely NAI and i've had plenty of really strogn points in my favor but dwlee crumbed once. like, dude.

[Nahdia]

dude. murder. come back.

[Nahdia]

lmao.

you should probably let me claim before hammering me, just throwing that out there.

lmao.

you should probably let me claim before hammering me, just throwing that out there.

lmao.

you should probably let me claim before hammering me, just throwing that out there.

lmao.

you should probably let me claim before hammering me, just throwing that out there.

lmao.

you should probably let me claim before hammering me, just throwing that out there.

lmao.

you should probably let me claim before hammering me, just throwing that out there.

lmao.

you should probably let me claim before hammering me, just throwing that out there.

lmao.

you should probably let me claim before hammering me, just throwing that out there.

lmao.

you should probably let me claim before hammering me, just throwing that out there.

lmao.

you should probably let me claim before hammering me, just throwing that out there.

lmao.

you should probably let me claim before hammering me, just throwing that out there.

lmao.

you should probably let me claim before hammering me, just throwing that out there.

lmao.

you should probably let me claim before hammering me, just throwing that out there.

lmao.

you should probably let me claim before hammering me, just throwing that out there.

[Nahdia]

IS THIS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? I CRUMBED.

[Nahdia]

murdercat please acknowledge that you're at least reading this. i can't really be angry at you because i've totally been in the position of being stubborn about a wrong vote in mylo just like this (zelda mafia) but please don't make the same mistake i did. i was completely unwilling to listen to the person i was hammering because i was just going based on a crumb.

[Nahdia]

now i know how sircakez felt there and man this sucks.

[Nahdia]

snoe when you come back please talk to MURDER.

[Nahdia]

i did crumb. so like.

[Nahdia]

i kinda forgot about that tbh but there it is.

[Nahdia]

murder please tell me you're reading this.

[Nahdia]

i don't want to lose this :\

[Nahdia]

lmao.

you should probably let me claim before hammering me, just throwing that out there.

[Nahdia]

i crumbed my rooolleeeeee

is that what you were hoping for? because i did the thing. even though it's stupid and shouldn't equal an automatic clear.

you're ignoring all the other points i raised. they're all strong points, i think. i don't know what else i can do here. PLEASE reconsider. i'm begging you. i was mad at myself for weeks after zelda mafia because i couldn't believe i was too stupid to reconsider on the final day.

[Nahdia]

right. because my partner hard buddied me and jumped on my wagon. that's absolutely what happened.

[Nahdia]

lmao.

you should probably let me claim before hammering me, just throwing that out there.

i crumbed my rooolleeeeee

is that what you were hoping for? because i did the thing. even though it's stupid and shouldn't equal an automatic clear.

you're ignoring all the other points i raised. they're all strong points, i think. i don't know what else i can do here. PLEASE reconsider. i'm begging you. i was mad at myself for weeks after zelda mafia because i couldn't believe i was too stupid to reconsider on the final day.

this is all i've got. at this point i feel like i've played to the best of my ability and if you still hammer me, the blame is out of my hands. murder, if you're reading this, im begging you to reconsider. snoe, if you see this, please talk it out with murder and don't just sheep him. i am town here.

[Nahdia]

to reiterate because i think this is my strongest point:

-the last scum is werewolf
-the werewolf team shot MURDERCAT two nights ago
-i would not have shot MURDERCAT in any scenario
-i instantly claimed doctor on MURDERCAT yesterday

ergo, i am town doctor.

[Nahdia]

I'm busy for a while, if snoe is having doubts he can choose not to hammer.

i've essentially proven im town. and i did have a crumb. please unvote at least and take some time to reconsider when you have the chance :\

[Nahdia]

to reiterate because i think this is my strongest point:

-the last scum is werewolf
-the werewolf team shot MURDERCAT two nights ago
-i would not have shot MURDERCAT in any scenario
-i instantly claimed doctor on MURDERCAT yesterday

ergo, i am town doctor.

1. yea
   
2. uhuh
   
3. yea sure, just wifom yo
   
4. okay so did I

wifom is suboptimal play and i don't fucking play suboptimally.
i claimed doctor before you. meaning i KNEW to claim it. meaning i knew he was shot. and since i would not have shot him, i must be the doctor.

[Nahdia]

I.
DO.
NOT.
PLAY.
SUBOPTIMAL.

[Nahdia]

i INSTANTLY demonstrated i understood what the optimal move there would have been. the assertion that i then did not take it is ridiculous.

[Nahdia]

After you knew a doctor was in the game.

I knew a doctor was in the game because I am a doctor. AND THE DAY BEFORE I DID CRUMB.

[Nahdia]

lmao.

you should probably let me claim before hammering me, just throwing that out there.

this was before "I knew there was a doctor in the game" assuming I'm scum.

[Nahdia]

wait why would werewolf shoot the mafia if they would have just gotten end gamed by the masons???

WHY ARE YOU SAYING THIS IF YOU AGREED WITH ME YESTERDAY YOU WOULD DO WHAT I SAID I WOULD DO.

IS IT NOT OBVIOUS DWLEE MADE THE MOVE?

COME ON.

[Nahdia]

the play we're talking about isn't even optimal lmao

LOOK AT THIS. HE'S DEFENDING HIS MOVE -_-'

[Nahdia]

I will claim if murdercat and snoe want me to but I would rather not

^^^
THREE POSTS BEFORE YOURS

what, so i knew you were a doctor from that?

I just started thinking about it and optimal play would be killing the town, right?
i'm gonna go look over it in a bit

UHG. It doesn't even matter. what does matter is you making that move is completely plausible (you said it wasn't suboptimal at the beginning of yesterday, and then agreed with me, and now are disagreeing again) whereas I clearly never would have done that.

[Nahdia]

i dont know how i can make this more obvious than it already is. the night kills tell the story crystal clear.

[Nahdia]

by voting me you're ignoring so much it makes my head spin.

[Nahdia]

I will claim if murdercat and snoe want me to but I would rather not

^^^
THREE POSTS BEFORE YOURS

what, so i knew you were a doctor from that?

I just started thinking about it and optimal play would be killing the town, right?
i'm gonna go look over it in a bit

UHG. It doesn't even matter. what does matter is you making that move is completely plausible (you said it wasn't suboptimal at the beginning of yesterday, and then agreed with me, and now are disagreeing again) whereas I clearly never would have done that.

You knew I was a power role. If I was scum why wouldn't I just claim you were no kill gambiting or claim a different role (like firebringer did)?

except at that point in the game, members of both scum factions were alive. so even if i were scum, i could still have just felt you were scum as well.

[Nahdia]

bottom line is, as soon as i was suggested as a lynch, I asked for the opportunity to claim.

[Nahdia]

I think the fact that nahdia has thought of what optimal scum play would have been in that situation is scummy af.

i'm a doctor. of course i would consider what night kills scum might possibly make.

pedit2 so did I pretty much.. lol

...you're saying you should i was a member of the other scum faction? or am i misunderstanding this

[Nahdia]

all you're doing is screaming about how "you would never make that kill" (which is literally the stupidest fucking reason ever, saying that you wouldn't do something as scum is total bullshit)
I was able to point to your play and explain why you were scum

no, you didn't. i was able to point to yours and explain why you're a werewolf, and why i can't be. all you've done it shout "YOU DID NOTHING SINCE DAY 1" which
1) isn't true
2) my relatively low participation MAKES SENSE FOR MY ROLE.

[Nahdia]

except I'M NOT A WEREWOLF.

[Nahdia]

well good for you. i get nightkilled frequently so i had to fly low.

[Nahdia]

no im not holy shit

[Nahdia]

lmao.

you should probably let me claim before hammering me, just throwing that out there.

i crumbed my rooolleeeeee

is that what you were hoping for? because i did the thing. even though it's stupid and shouldn't equal an automatic clear.

you're ignoring all the other points i raised. they're all strong points, i think. i don't know what else i can do here. PLEASE reconsider. i'm begging you. i was mad at myself for weeks after zelda mafia because i couldn't believe i was too stupid to reconsider on the final day.

this is all i've got. at this point i feel like i've played to the best of my ability and if you still hammer me, the blame is out of my hands. murder, if you're reading this, im begging you to reconsider. snoe, if you see this, please talk it out with murder and don't just sheep him. i am town here.

just gonna quote this. snoe please read this day and don't just cast a vote. i'm far more likely town than dwlee if you just look at the facts.

[Nahdia]

cooldog wasn't on a team with sick. he might have thought sick would flip town.

[Nahdia]

Hold up. I just thought of something major I hadn't considered before

[Nahdia]

Dwlee is basing his towncase around him not being partners with the werewolves.

Why are we assuming the last scum is a werewolf? We had a cop, which is a role that gets guilties on mafia, not werewolves.

[Nahdia]

That would be a major imbalance between the scumteams unless there was a seer too

[Nahdia]

Or an SK, yeah. It makes sense that you'd base so much of your defense on not being partners with cooldog on it.

[Nahdia]

Maybe I'm talking gibberish but this just occurred to me. It screws with a lot of assumptions as well as some of my own points though.

[Nahdia]

so then why are the scumteams unbalanced? i think im onto something.

[Nahdia]

you're smart enough to know this isn't completely farfetched, dwlee. so you insinuating it's a reach makes me think im actually on the right track here

[Nahdia]

so then why is there a cop and not a seer?

[Nahdia]

The cop could receive town / not town and would therefore catch werewolves.

maybe.

[Nahdia]

that's dumb but OK, point taken.

[Nahdia]

I was serial killer. good game, dwlee.

[Nahdia]

I deserved this loss. forgot to submit my kill on Night 3