Mini 1796 | May 13th - Game over (Tomato Mafia wins)

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: inspectorscout

meow meow



Dunn tends to turn every reasonable town into a shitshow, why don't I take command here

[Zachstralkita]

FUCK THAT VOTE WASNT ON A NEW LINE

VOTE: INSPECTORSCOUT

[Zachstralkita]

@Dunn shut up all my votes are serious and you cant scumhunt lol




@Raskolnikov Crime and Punishment?

[Zachstralkita]

Do you two know each other?
Is this like a good cop bad cop routine?

I unfortunately have made his acquaintance in the past but some things were said my heart got...shattered and I turned to unregulated Guatemalan pharmaceuticals and a lot of whiskey to blot out the pain.


And no, I don't condone working with this man in any capacity

Zach is the "bad cop" if you know what I mean

Because he's the one who can't scumhunt and just rvs voted and said it was serious

And his mission here is to derail anything I push regardless of what he thinks of that persons alighnment

Meanwhile I'm like the "good cop" with a guilty on Raskol

You know, we can speak about how my derailing turned out in that -- nvm

[Zachstralkita]

Still haven't explained your "serious vote"

I don't have to explain any of my actions to U stop harassing me before I take this to the Online Council of Peoples' Choices and Voices Act and have you indicted

[Zachstralkita]

Simply put scum generally don't play with balls like this. Actually sorting this out so early is a mess because I have to consider ego and because town lying for reactions is hard to tell apart from scum lying for malicious purposes.

drmy's jump on is pretty shit though.

I wouldn't discount Dunn on that basis he's one of those fake it til you make it kinda guys

[Zachstralkita]

Simply put scum generally don't play with balls like this. Actually sorting this out so early is a mess because I have to consider ego and because town lying for reactions is hard to tell apart from scum lying for malicious purposes.

drmy's jump on is pretty shit though.

I wouldn't discount Dunn on that basis he's one of those fake it til you make it kinda guys

What is that even supposed to mean

Ok let me ask you, who's more likely to be mafia in your eyes at this point: Raskol or drmyshotty

What the fuck kinda question is that? The guy has 3 posts.

[Zachstralkita]

I literally have no clue what zach is by the way I'll just accept that him being anti-town isn't alignment indicative for him

took you long enough

[Zachstralkita]

It's a fair question.
Or even if you don't want to think about drmy you can def give your view on dunn and me at this point.

well not gonna speak on drmy at the moment although its up to me whether i want to infer something from his 3 posts.. dunn might have this poor guy thrown for a loop



you don't strike me as scum, drmy saying AtE onyour posts is.. hopefully a joke I hope or else I'll have an an aneurysm.....think ill give him the benefit of the doubt

Dunn is being Dunn if I think he's scum at any point I'll let you know when I death tunnel him

Why are you so averse to laying down an opinion on Raskol

ok well im not averse NOW read above fucking quote

[Zachstralkita]

Oh wait!

It's because he's my scumbuddy, yep.

[Zachstralkita]

listen its definitely not because of the ears and tail okay i definitely dont have a weakness for any of those................FUCK YOU ALL

[Zachstralkita]

drmy saying AtE onyour posts is.. hopefully a joke I hope or else I'll have an an aneurysm.....think ill give him the benefit of the doubt

WHAT

Zach what makes you think this line of thought is a good idea

"he's joking "

No he's not.

MY LOGIC IS, IF I SEND 100 SHOTS HE CANT DUCK EM ALL
CLIP OF HOT PEPPERS, HOLLA I PIN YO HEAD TO THE FUCKIN WALL

Actually I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here as ones a kawaii chibi fox girl and the other one appears to be a guy anyway

nah there's room for both of them in the feline fortress i just got scared and vented my emotional insecurities via a vote on this site


also inspectorscout is kinda scum.....so ... yeah..

and the other one appears to be a guy anyway

Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.

meow meow!

[Zachstralkita]

also inspectorscout is kinda scum.....so ... yeah..

Reasoning?

Nyaa~

*Fox noises*

Tell me, what is reason to divinity?

[Zachstralkita]

Dunn can you summarize why you think Rasolnikov is scum lol

I guess mathematically there's probably at least 1 mafia in the thread so far, but, well...

Also this line of thinking is dumb

I don't think it's dumb. Because it doesn't worry me. Because I have nothing to fear

[Zachstralkita]

So as I thought it was an rvs vote to detract from my push

This is stupid, you're not important enough for me to want to hinder your actions - there are plenty of people who can vote him with you who have not posted in the thread

[Zachstralkita]

Ironically everyone defending me for no reason is more worrying that dunn possibly confbias tunneling here.

ya ur right bud

UNVOTE:


VOTE: Raskolnikov

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Dunnstral


yeah this is what we're doing

[Zachstralkita]

ok ok did you go to therapy like we talked about? it's important to get help for your problem

[Zachstralkita]

Literally you have no reason to be voting me right now as town

thats not your call pal, anyways take a breather there's way too little people here for you to be tunneling me this early

[Zachstralkita]

And you randomly voting Raskol was horrible too and entirely contradictory to what you had been doing up to that point
Like that was the worst post in this thread so far, what you quoted to vote for Raskol was actually quite townie

also

Dunn can you summarize why you think Rasolnikov is scum lol

I'll make a medium-large sized post about this later

and then you unvote to imply a rxn test







i do not appreciate your behavior

[Zachstralkita]

Yeah I lied about the medium-large post sue me

And you randomly voting Raskol was horrible too and entirely contradictory to what you had been doing up to that point
Like that was the worst post in this thread so far, what you quoted to vote for Raskol was actually quite townie

If you're implying that the vote on Raskol was a joke then you need to die, /quote]


It was. So kill me then.


That's what I thought.

[Zachstralkita]

FUUUUUUUUUCK NONE OF MY POSTS CAN HAVE DRAMATIC EFFECT IF I FUCK UP THE QUOTES GOD DAMN IT

[Zachstralkita]

Zach you've been here and involved for pretty much the whole day can you actually go into your thought processes a bit?

If you're town then 'joking' here when the conversation is getting serious is being unnecessarily obstructive, though it does read as an excuse tbh.

um well i think you were town. i wanted dunn to explain his read but he..lies..... and then unvotes you shortly thereafter which...........accomplished a whole lot didn't it seeing that theres about 4 people in here and thats what he drew his suspect pool from..................................................brilliant work



I'm not being obstructive, there's nothing going on. This is going to be a long day anyway.

I plan to get you lynched for that yes

FUUUUUUUUUCK NONE OF MY POSTS CAN HAVE DRAMATIC EFFECT IF I FUCK UP THE QUOTES GOD DAMN IT

Why did you remove the part where I asked you to explain your vote on me from the quote?

Are you not going to...?

Nah. Waste your time on something better.

[Zachstralkita]

I'm not being obstructive, there's nothing going on. This is going to be a long day anyway.

This is bullshit.

oop, sue me.

anyways I'd say that without everyone here our scope is kinda limited and we'd garner a lot more information when we look at what

everyone

has to say in accordance with what's gone on so far rather than making definitive conclusions now

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Zach

I wish I could vote jarjar, drmy and zach all at the same time.

Maybe you can explain to me why town zach votes me in that scenario

why does scum zach vote you in that scenario? who would i get to vote with me? who would I get to vote with me if I didn't even explain anything?

Do you think about things before..........................you............


dont worry we're going to reach a point where I abandon reason and respond to posts in solely rap lyrics

[Zachstralkita]

i didnt vote off transcends vote but go ahead and run with that


do i agree with him wanting to kill you? yes

[Zachstralkita]

I can see how that looks scummy but I'm not sure I agree with the end result: I actually agreed with what Raskol was saying in those quotes

Thinking you're just town too though Jar

It's annoying that Zach "joking" there is a possibility as it can also be used as an excuse to mask a horrible attempt at joining the wagon

But the thing is why does he jump onto it there, he doesn't really have a reason as scum either right

I guess I can just attribute it to Zach being Zach but it just looks so bad

Such wish washy play from Dunnstral backed up with faux reasoning

[Zachstralkita]

I just read Raskolnikov's interests bit on his profile. I'm not quite sure what to think now. Again. Every single game is like this, why does every single game have to be like this.

Hello friend.

I bid you to join the Dunnstral wagon with me.

Why did I ever move my vote

VOTE: Zachstralkita

back and forth back and forth

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Raskolnikov

I've already finished with Raskol, I think they're town, get off them please and get onto someone else like blueyoshi/zachstral

my god the way this guy throws his weight around you would think he's even on the scale to begin with

[Zachstralkita]

back and forth back and forth

if ur town, stop this. It's not scummy.

and if I'm scum keep doing it?

lets keep it together here guys we're about to be thrown into anarchy

[Zachstralkita]

that wasnt a scum claim btw i just hate those if ur x then y posts

[Zachstralkita]

Whether you're scum or town your posts are objectively anti-town for constantly being half-serious and often about irrelevant shit.

I think at this point continuing and antagonising people after multiple people have pointed it out, rather than trying to cooperate is scummy because clear communication should be your goal as town and hiding in vagueness reduces your accountability.

Well I'm taking accountability for everything I'm doing so... bye



if dunn can tell me why i am scum then I will retort lol

that wasnt a scum claim btw i just hate those if ur x then y posts

I'm not sure, I'm not very good at gauging such things, but I believe Jar was joking. If you're scum, keep overreacting to jokes.

it didnt read to me as a joke at all

[Zachstralkita]

Overreacting to jokes..... Hmm... have you read one Dunnstral post this game?

[Zachstralkita]

Well you're wro

You are wrong too. Notice how I cut you off even in the past tense.

if dunn can tell me why i am scum then I will retort lol

I have.

1. Your vote onto Raskal came as an attempt to bandwagon onto the lynch, once I called you out for it you went back and said it was a joke
2. You voted me without a real reason. Because I unvoted Raskal? Are you scumreading them? Have I done anything to make you vote me?
3. You're intentionally obstructing town
4. You're avoiding discussion
5. Your interactions are just plain weird

Overreacting to jokes..... Hmm... have you read one Dunnstral post this game?

No.

HAHAHA good one

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't a joke-

1. It was a joke
2. you can have that that ain even what im mad @
3. Fuck off no I'm not
4. I'm discussing fine
5. That's a matter of opinion, your entire list is laid out to make it look like it means something

[Zachstralkita]

Tell you what boys I'm going to cordially apologize f




hmm let me go into depth here well Dunn's entire tone has struck me as nonsensical, he votes Raskol, says he has reasoning, then unvotes him, so it was a reaction test, and through the very short period

that

was going on you determine Raskolnikov town and drmy scum for his hopping on the wagon when drmy's tone was in fact genuine imo, then you vote me for clearly joking and people actually BELIEVE YOU

Well you're wrong then, and haven't given much of an opinion other than the fact that you're bandwagoning

how is he that confident in his townread we're in the first 9 pages? oh let me guess the same way hes confident that I'm scum.


Dunn knows he obviously cant lynch a complete lurker and actually get it so he wants to go for someone in-thread thats why he mentioned blueyoshi out of the blue and said drmy was scummy earlier, and of course he says I'm scum

VOTE: Trivium

now note how is vote is on neither of those 3

[Zachstralkita]

I said drmy was null/him voting was towny though

so you're just voting trivium cause he's opposing your townread and doesn't agree with your faulty read on me? ok

[Zachstralkita]

actually i dont know WHAT trivium agrees with i just know his vote aint on YA BOYYYY

[Zachstralkita]

I said drmy was null/him voting was towny though

so you're just voting trivium cause he's opposing your townread and doesn't agree with your faulty read on me? ok

I'm voting him because I think he's mafia

can I get a numbered list for that

actually i dont know WHAT trivium agrees with

Funnily enough neither do I

tell you what im gonna go to sleep cause i have to be at preschool by 8 tomorrow to get my 0th grade education

so in the morning maybe make your posts sound more like... they have... more than 3 seconds of thought put into them.

Mine have 5.

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I'm just flat-out tired of Dunn and his lies you guys dont understand he does this ALL THE TIME


" Yeah I used to keep razor blades under my tongue in an upstate New York prison and traded em for ramens "

ok gn

[Zachstralkita]

UNVOTE: Dunnstral

hes prob town again this time

[Zachstralkita]

Zach please, explain whatever the f* u think you are doing because right now, you just unvoted 'ok he seems town'
Why did you suspect him and why is he cleared now? What are your reads right now on the active players?

well scum dunn wouldnt push for my ML definitely not Day 1 when he could just NK me if I was an actual threat

back with reads soon

[Zachstralkita]

Tommy - N/A. not sure what he means when he says sock puppets? that we're trolls? that's utterly

appalling

. ME of all people?? SO unlikely.

Lowell - N/A

nnn_thekushmountains - N/A

drmy - Now has 4 posts. Do you now not think Raskol is scum either? I WANT TO SAY town tbh because he cant be this obvious scum with 4 fucking posts

that wasnt a scum claim btw i just hate those if ur x then y posts

why did you feel the need to even point that out? I think this may be a scum claim.
VOTE: Zach

um because people have a hard enough time understanding what I say in posts as it is, have you been reading the thread?

inspectorscout - you're saying a lot. I don't think what you say has a whole lot of substance to begin with, I don't like your reads and think you're just posting to post. Your vote on me is not factored in to this, it doesn't concern me and you believing what you do makes sense

Blue Yoshi - 4 posts, but 1 of his posts has more content than all of drmy's combined. I like him trying to find the motivation behind scumhunting. I wouldn't join him on Transcend, though.

JJD - Town tbh. I could change on this. Then again, I could not.

Raskolnikov - Talk of the town. Why is your vote on Tommy LMFAO? Most people don't seem interested in Zach so they'd be more interested in a guy who's only post(s) is his RVS vote? I think your votes are deserved tbh though you need to do a little explanation

Trivium - Not a whole lot of solid shit here, but I like the posts for some reason. Town

Transcend - I feel like you make multiple posts with what could be said in one. Not sure if intentional to make it look like contributing more or it just happens, because I do that shit too. Like Trivium's posts better, but Transcend townreads Trivium. Null.

if i had to go with a vote id say raskol, drmy or scout

[Zachstralkita]

thats why i said WANT TO SAY cause I can't SAY for sure & if this is the extent of what you're gonna do for us then I'd rather lynch. But it's okay. We got all day.

[Zachstralkita]

thats why i said WANT TO SAY cause I can't SAY for sure & if this is the extent of what you're gonna do for us then I'd rather lynch. But it's okay. We got all day.

Do you typically want to lynch people you don't have a proper read on and may be leaning toward them being town?

If I'm leaning more that they're scum. Time will tell.

[Zachstralkita]

if i had to go with a vote id say raskol, drmy or scout

No, needs more info, and no

Seriously that is a bad list

What made you assume I value your opinion on the subject?

that wasnt a scum claim btw i just hate those if ur x then y posts

why did you feel the need to even point that out? I think this may be a scum claim.
VOTE: Zach

Why is this a scum claim? 'If ur x then y' posts ARE annoying and they ARE scummy since they express a fact, rather than an opinion - oh, that is convenient, scum hates giving opinions because they have a harder time finding valid reasons to accuse someone of being scum. Posts like that are fillers, empty posts that have words in them but dont bring progress. Then my question is: why is saying that so scummy?

It is very scummy to point out that something wasn't a scum claim. Town wouldn't even think to post that! Paranoid scum post that.

A+++ deductive strategy, see how far that one gets ya

go on

[Zachstralkita]

A while ago i also said 'i know this looks scummy but' and nobody ever mentioned that.
Zach, why so arrogant? If you are town you should care about our opinions, youre not some infallible scumhunting god. This game is all about working together, not about saying 'who said i care about what you think'.

Oh I'm all for your opinions, just not his

[Zachstralkita]

What made you assume I value your opinion on the subject?

Doesn't matter what you value as I'm saying we're not lynching Raskol or scout today

This is the guy that wants to lynch Trivium lmfao

[Zachstralkita]

Anyways, I'm sorry. I attribute my overaggressiveness to being beat with jumper cables in my youth.

[Zachstralkita]

Is it my fault that it's dead? I'll accept that it's my fault that it's dumb, sure.

[Zachstralkita]

What if he's

an important role or something

[Zachstralkita]

Ok who's your best non-Trivium lynch

[Zachstralkita]

well kushmountains thing says v/la on weekends so... there's that explained

[Zachstralkita]

I don't understand what you're saying

You should re-read it a couple more times. This isn't like an actual conversation.

[Zachstralkita]

I don't think this makes him look worse I think it makes him look not give a fuck which is fine by me

[Zachstralkita]

Zach: tells seem rather forced and farfetched and i still hate his attitude, either he loves memes or hes just trying to spread a shitload of mist + lol my opinions are almost the same as dunn's yet u dont value his opinions WHILE you said u townread him

safe bruv

[Zachstralkita]

+ lol my opinions are almost the same as dunn's yet u dont value his opinions WHILE you said u townread him

just cause someones town doesnt mean they cant have poor judgement

[Zachstralkita]

Wait u wat, so if u townread someone u still dont take their opinion into consideration because you dont like their judgements?
And you said you are open to my ideas, but not his. Shouldnt the two of reading the same mean we are both not good at judging stuff and thus both not worth your time?

Also why the fuck wont u listen to a guy that you townread yet you listen to me, wile you scumread me? For me that seems to have some correlation and its pretty weird.

you took that at face value way more than you should

[Zachstralkita]

Oh and zach, i care about that a lot more than i should because i absolutely dont get whatever you are doing. Care to explain why u dont believe him? And from what i have seen, his judgement isnt really poor, so thats no excuse.

thats a matter of opinion

[Zachstralkita]

UNVOTE:

I think I know who I want to vote for but I'm waiting for said person to post more

there's no need to be cryptic here

[Zachstralkita]

i am unsure about what i do because i am so involved in this; i dont want to get fucked after a mislynch caused by me. Ive drawn too much attention already, if i dont get NK'ed N1 ill be lynched D2 anyway, just because of my activity.

Uhhh

Yeah I dont really like that fucking line at all

[Zachstralkita]

and lastly, meanwhile, zach focuses AGAIN just on those things he likes to focus on, but probably didnt even read what else was in my post.

[Zachstralkita]

that one line from scout sounded very LAMIST just saying if you had to define LAMIST with one sentence it would be that one... thats what just irks me



i want to factor in this being his first game on site BUT I'm pretty sure he's played elsewhere so not sure why that is relevant

[Zachstralkita]

Probably not going to be able catch up completely tonight, but here are some thoughts on the start of the game.

On page 2, Dunnstral manufactures a nothing wagon on Raskolnikov. Which is fine by me - I like an RVS wagon. It raises the stakes. People get a little nervous and you start to see where they stand. So I agree with Raskolnikov in post 35.

I also like this from Raskolnikov:

Do you two know each other?
Is this like a good cop bad cop routine?

This would be a good moment to explain my sock puppets comment. Sock puppets are multiple accounts controlled by the same person. It's against site rules for one player to have two slots in a game. Here's what I said to the game and list mods during the sign-up phase:

Hi N and Creature,

Zachstralkita and Dunnstral signed up for the game at the same time, with the same message. They have the same join date, and Zachstralkita's topics list is a subset of Dunnstral's. Do you think they're sock puppets?

Tommy

Neither replied. Now I'm starting to wonder whether Dunnstral is a legitimate player and Zachstralkita is trolling him. That appears to be what they both imply in answer to Raskolnikov. Dunnstral, is that how you would characterise the situation?

We are friends.

[Zachstralkita]

Fuck 12.

[Zachstralkita]

vote Zachstralkita

while I figure out what is going on

Nice to meet you too homes

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: inspectorscout


hello alpaca

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: inspectorscout


hello alpaca

bad zach bad vote

rr..rroof roof



also a reads list isnt lamist... that uh.......yeah.. no.

[Zachstralkita]

my vote might switch to bacde off the strenGTH OF THAT

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: inspectorscout


hello alpaca

bad zach bad vote

rr..rroof roof



also a reads list isnt lamist... that uh.......yeah.. no.

except his reads list is bs

he's just following the trends and I haven't seen any critical thinking or spectacular reads from him

what makes you think he is town?

um.......according to you

the act of posting reads lists isn't really alignment indicative but it isn't LOOK AT M E I M SO TOWN

my vote might switch to bacde off the strenGTH OF THAT

I think it may be your personality, or that awful avatar, but I hate all of your posts.

WHEN I WAS YOUNG I WAS A HEAT BLOWER REVOLVERS WITH SPEED LOADERS NOW ITS A DRUM IN A TOMMY GUN LOOK LIKE IM SWINGING A LEAF BLOWER


OR I COULDA GOT HIM SLAUGHTERED AT THE BORDER... BY AN EAST AFRICAN KID THAT I SPONSORED FOR A QUARTER

[Zachstralkita]

Zach and dunn might be the same person

.......................................................................ok

[Zachstralkita]

Eighteen wheeler almost hit you but park by you
He think he safe, ’til sparks ignited from a small wire
It explode and he die in a car fire

Still don't like your posts

you still a opp





also if me and dunn were the same person why in the fuck would i interact with MYSELF in thread and engage in back and forth dialogue what the fuck im not that bored

[Zachstralkita]

Like, why am i even trying? i am asked questions, i answer them, and i get asked the same questions again. I gave reads on like 3 people after the list that started this all, and nobody -nobody at ALL - didnt even bother to look at it.
I dont understand why nobody sees trivium just posting the obvious, kinda saying what has already been said and just some short posts in between that say like 'yeh he might be suspicous idk'. He litteraly said 'ye jarjar could be scum but he could be town ye' in 2 posts, but nobody mentioned that.

zach is vauge as fuck (again)



And that focus on me seems more scum-like than town-like: go for the easy lynch targets to me.

ya ur an easy lynch that's why theres 2 votes on you

[Zachstralkita]

uhh im not talking about the amount of votes so far, im talking about the people that are seemingly trying to do everything to get me lynched. i dont feel threathened by those 2 votes, i feel threathened because of the silly arguments that are used against me, that everyone seems to believe

but you die from votes you dont die from silly arguments

[Zachstralkita]

And even by saying this, i fucked myself because scum now knows my line of thoughts, too, so they can adapt to what i said.

I think this is the kind of 'Aargh I'm going round and round' thought process that's hard for a newbie to fake as scum.

I didn't read that line like that. It's not like he's actually talking and the words come out before you can stop them. If he really didn't want scum to know his train of thought then he should have just......not made the post

[Zachstralkita]

not lynching jar jar da drink don

[Zachstralkita]

we might be a little too hasty here the guy fucking voted himself to L-1


mind you i'm not even on his wagon and he was one of my scum reads... so there's def scum on his wagon I'd say


@Tommy I don't know if it was.. that substantial

[Zachstralkita]

The self vote is dumb either way

[Zachstralkita]

I can't wrap my head around why as scum he would damn himself like that when JJD is a counterwagon with pretty close votes. It does not make sense. Sticking with scout here.

[Zachstralkita]

[Zachstralkita]

RIP my mans

drmyshotty had bars but he didnt do himself any favors by selfvoting

so..............

[Zachstralkita]

I mean I literally don't know what happened. I fall asleep and when I wake up the fucking bulletproof is lynched. None of you are extremely at fault but that was pretty ridiculous he gave up as town PR.

and

aw snap i forgot about claims

that said im not for lynching kush

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Tommy

[Zachstralkita]

Kush - Don't see as scum due to the drmy quickhammer, tbh

AlpacaAlpaca - Good content/post ratio even if I may not agree with some of the things said, town


JJD - Not sure why so many people think is scum. I think the tone is town at the very least.

inspectorscout -

I dont have one. Like zach, hes been constantly changing town-scum to me. I dont even understand most of his posts. But, as i said before, i have a gut feeling hes gonna be a mislynch + he said hes gonna post a readlist d2, and since i have other people that i want lynched, its best to keep him alive until then, and by using his readlist you will pretry much see if hes scum or not.

There are 3 scum ppl, even if he is scum, rushing a kill on him isnt needed at all

. Especially for me, since i have other suspects

That line is pretty fucking awful for reasons I don't need to explain. It tickles me the wrong way. I'd be comfortable with a scout lynch today. I am aware this was said pre-flip. It does not change the context at all. I was going to say he was null today but that line fucks me up.


Raskolnikov - not much has changed since last I gave a read on him? Still town.

Transcend - HMMMM there's nothing I can really complain about here, not sure how I feel about interaction with Raskolnikov. I will say that our reasons for voting Tommy may be slightly different.

Trivium - Probably on the townier side of my townreads for some reason.

Blue Yoshi - I thought he was town but but when he explains his vote on drmy as being for the same reasons as everyone else..... it seemed kind of opportunistic. Tone still seems town however.

Bacde - nulltown, don't like the jarjar vote

If nnn gets lynched, it won't be because he quickhammered. That's NAI imo. Legitimately ONE PLAYER IN THIS GAME qh'd me because he didn't know I was at L-1.

Are you saying Kush gets a pass because he may not have known Shotty was at L-1?

Hi can I have feedback on my vote please.

I don't have a read on Lowell yet.

Zach, can you give a case on me please.

I don't like this reaction. IMO as town your train of thought upon being voted should be less " make a case on me " and more






Because if you're town I shouldn't really have a case as to why we should kill you - and you shouldn't want it

[Zachstralkita]

That line is pretty fucking awful for reasons I don't need to explain. It tickles me the wrong way. I'd be comfortable with a scout lynch today. I am aware this was said pre-flip. It does not change the context at all. I was going to say he was null today but that line fucks me up.

Why? I wasnt convinced of drmy being scum, and rushing his kill wont make you insta-win the game. Let him explain, discuss, try to make him slip, whatever, but rushing it just allows scum a free kill.

That is not what you said. You said even if he is scum, we shouldn't rush his kill. That was the worst possible thing you could have said. We are supposed to kill scum. That is our objective. I do not think it is YOUR objective.


@Tommy I really just think you try to portray yourself as appearing town a significant amount. That being said, your reaction was fine. There are other people voting you besides me, though.

I'm really more fine with killing scout but no one wants to be on board with the best plan ever, FINE.

And I don't think Trivium slipped I think he was being deliberately sarcastic.

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@Transcend you giving people points for voting who you want to kill is... eh...

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That is not what you said. You said even if he is scum, we shouldn't rush his kill. That was the worst possible thing you could have said. We are supposed to kill scum. That is our objective. I do not think it is YOUR objective.

Even if he was scum, we could've gotten more info out of him and out of others by not rushing. Don't really know in what way that would not help town. Basically, by rushing, you deny information. And actually, isn't that what drmy was lynched for?

Um, but were he scum, he would have died anyway regardless and I doubt his perogative would be to give US information.

In any case I had no hand in his death so why don't we take a look at his wagon. This is important because I did call him scummy yesterday.


@Inspector I don't believe Trivium saying you're town earlier and then asking " Why can't inspectorscout be scum " contradict each other.

1) He doesn't actually know whether you're town or not?


anyway you're my second scumread and as for 3.... hm..

[Zachstralkita]

Very active game here boys

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While you're waiting, Zach, why not find some quotes that show me being LAMIST?

For one, your " case " on drmy seemed really opportunist and I didn't like how you presented it or referred to it in a later post.

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Also that colored reads list is pretty close to a scum claim from Transcend

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Fair enough, yeah. He'd already been among my possible lynches, but I only articulated why because a Shotty wagon had sprung up and I wanted to join it.

yea when you linked to it in another post i was expecting some ace attorney phoenix wright shit but NOPE

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Also that colored reads list is pretty close to a scum claim from Transcend

Why?

According to my calculations there's a 70% chance that he just used colors to make himself try and look town


there is a small 30% chance that the colors are completely irrelevant

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I think transcend is mafia and inspector is trying to lynch me because it's easy to seem like he's town who thinks I'm dumb or whatever. And for everybody's information, I actually didn't notice who died. What are you going to do about it, lynch me? I think for trying to lynch me for something like that, inspector scout goes way down into my scumreads.

um but thats kinda fucking sketch i mean its not like you're meant to make breakfast when you wake up in these games

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tbf i think the last thing scum would do was pretend not to know who was fucking killed LMFAOOOO thats some bold shit

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I'd like to put forth the question why is not knowing who died considered a slip?

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I'd like to put forth the question why is not knowing who died considered a slip?

Scum would know who they killed.

I know that thats why Trivium probtown

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I'd like to put forth the question why is not knowing who died considered a slip?

Did I say it was a slip? Because it's not, it's rather LAMIST ''i dunno who got killed so i aint do it m8''

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That's what I implied from your vote. My mistake then.

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mother of all FUCKS you just wanna fuck with me huh quote tags?

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VOTE: inspectorscout

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kush's " reasoning " isn't really a core part of anything today he did say he forgot

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Transcend as confident as you may be on your tr, it doesn't make it law and pretty much anyone could use that card to dissuade the town from a lynch. And I'm not sure why the fuck you think you subbing out is supposed to be a threat or otherwise an incentive to us.

kush, ease off the trigger finger today please

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also zach what happened to your independent meme funny ish posts? lately you have been more or less sheeping

since dunn died there's been no one to instigate me

maybe you should take his place

transcend prob will anyway

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also who the fuck am I sheeping? I wanted to kill you yesterday.

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I guess Dunn being NKed kinda points to a town scout. Like why kill a person w/ influence that will likely try to keep him out of the noose?

I would have thought Transcend would be the one for that.

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#409 leads me to believe Transcend is really less likely to be scum but that doesn't make him god's gift to mafia

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dont think the lowell wagon is wise tbh

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um lowell don't be talkin bout " use of your time " LMAOOO contribute something bruh

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ya jjd is scum just like drmy was yesterday

What town motivation does kush have for quickhammering?

none. It's either a decent scumplay or a horrible town play.

I disagree with this. I'm a fan of the LOLHAMMER. It shows courage in my book. Now I doubt that's what he was intending to do--probably just wasn't paying attention and felt like voting (been there!). But a willingness to haphazardly throw votes without reading the room first is a towntell as well.

more like impulsiveness.

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Okay, he's had 24 hours to answer my latest question: enough waiting. Here's my take on the day 1 hammer.

First, let's look at what would have happened if Kush had waited for Shotty to claim. After the claim, I would have unvoted, and I'm sure others would too - you don't lynch claimed town power on day 1. With the pressure off, Shotty would probably have started playing to his win condition again and put his vote somewhere more useful. Maybe we would then have lynched the rival wagon; more likely we would have ended up with someone else entirely in the week of play we had left for that day phase. So I don't buy this:

Um, but were he scum, he would have died anyway regardless and I doubt his perogative would be to give US information.

This is often true of a normal wagon, but it wasn't true here because of the self-vote. If Kush wanted to nail a townie, it was now or never.

Immediately after the hammer, he claimed he'd forgotten about claims. I think this was a lie. Kush posted three times during the three hours leading up to his hammer, so he was following the discussion. Several people were explicit during that period about the need to wait for a claim before hammering.

Since then, he's laid as low as he possibly can without actually getting replaced.

VOTE: Kush

That's interesting I'm just not of the belief he would act so nonchalant about all of this as if he's in no danger

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First, let's look at what would have happened if Kush had waited for Shotty to claim. After the claim, I would have unvoted, and I'm sure others would too - you don't lynch claimed town power on day 1. With the pressure off, Shotty would probably have started playing to his win condition again and put his vote somewhere more useful. Maybe we would then have lynched the rival wagon; more likely we would have ended up with someone else entirely in the week of play we had left for that day phase.

Even if Kush was scum, he couldn't have known that shotty was a PR. Which makes this entire paragraph pointless.

Kush posted three times during the three hours leading up to his hammer, so he was following the discussion. Several people were explicit during that period about the need to wait for a claim before hammering.

This is a false statement and is painting a false picture for people that aren't paying attention.

Kush's first post after the claim discussion was his hammer.

Even if the second half is true, the first half of your post where you quote him is quoting a hypothetical. So...

Rather than him lying, he could also have remembered the events incorrectly. This is a lot less likely due to how specific he went " three times ", it does point to it being orchestrated. But what bugs me is...

I am not sure why scum would choose to start a vanity wagon and deliberately bait attention to himself when he could have acquiesced to one of the others much easier and stayed under the radar. If scum, would be diverting attention off of the other wagons which would imply one of those are scum?

I agree 100% with #908. I'm coming around on tommyscum.

Now THAT seems opportunistic.

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in terms of lynches

JJD > Lowell >>>> scout

hi

so I guess there was a > tommy in there somewhere I missed? Or JJD's post must have been really fucking good.

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From this we can draw that there's at least 1 scum in Tommy/Lowell/JJD(and possibly Transcend) I think

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& I dont think its JJD so.......

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Lowell appears to be way too impartial and convenient to everything. I thought before that Transc. was town because he basically did an ISO post of every drmy post and went into it, but there's scum motivation to gain towncred for doing that as well.


I'd be more comfortable with voting Lowell today, though. P sure I just did a 180 on him

let's not forget about our pal inspectorscout

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havent heard from ya boi alpaca or trivium in a minute so lets get INTO THAT

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Are we gonna get this rolling?

VOTE: Lowell

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I think it's less likely tbh due to some facets of Transcend's tone and his " I'M GOING TO SUB OUT " bullshit on inspector which is either an indicator of him being town or an attempt at something resembling an angleshot

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That's a great question which I can't really answer. Somehow I've got it in my mind that you are, though. Am I being played or what?

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seriously, that had to be the worst answer he could have given.

for some reason " i don't know " would have been a better answer than that

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KUSH DON'T

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it's okay it's not like someone is going to come along and hamm-

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I wanna say that there's far more talk about Kush than there has been from him.

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This is perhaps self-centered of me, but it's impossible for me to imagine that anyone actually thinks I'm scum. You all trolls or what?

Explain the case better. Then realize you are fools, then vote someone else.

THIS is what you say at L-1? After watching drmy piss it away too?

seriously, that had to be the worst answer he could have given.

for some reason " i don't know " would have been a better answer than that

Don't I get points for honesty? It's a gut read.

saying it was a gut read is all you had to do..

Just for fun, let's call it jarjar, zach, and alpaca as the scumteam. see how I do.

Do you call out random names in public as well?

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so that means the entire scumteam is on YOUR wagon? LMFAO

Rask is conveniently omitted probably because he hasn't posted

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what happened 1.5 pages ago when Tommy was you know really pretty much certainly, scum? Did that just disappear too?

I agree 100% with #908. I'm coming around on tommyscum.

so this was your read shifting? this is a shift? it isn't... a solid flip from town to scum?

so that means the entire scumteam is on YOUR wagon? LMFAO

Rask is conveniently omitted probably because he hasn't posted

Eh I actually didn't notice who was on my wagon. you're right, that's unlikely. okay put inspector in there instead of zach.

oh.............................................ya...............................................

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UNVOTE: LOWELL

just because i don't feel comfortable with the idea of our day hanging by one vote and dont want a repeat of yesterday




did you think inspector was scum prior? because he hasn't posted in some time..

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you're not dodging rope, by the way. a claim is in order unless you'd rather take it to your grave or.....


YOU case me/scout, Alpaca and JarJar. I want cases from YOU.

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Alright Lowell claim or I'm going to have to ask kush to quickhammer you. He'll 'forget' for a few seconds.
EDIT: Damnit Zach it's easier to get a claim at lynch1 plus if kush hammers we have scum, I don't think anyone else would

i mean.. the effect is still pretty much there its not as if i was going to vote anyone e- good point


VOTE: Lowell

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ok until further notice any hammer will be treated as a scum claim

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That's a great question which I can't really answer. Somehow I've got it in my mind that you are, though. Am I being played or what?

also i want to bring up this

and then he says THIS

Don't I get points for honesty? It's a gut read.

which means..

That's a great question which I can't really answer. Somehow I've got it in my mind that you are, though.

Am I being played or what?

YOU WERE PLAYING YOURSELF??????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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I would think the former.

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So scout do you want to explain to me how the fuck scum benefits from spearheading Lowell's wagon if they know he is going to flip town



And Lowell buddy give us some cases on scum then bc it seemed like you just tossed out rhe names of everyone on your wagon

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Hey scout, why not offer yourself up if you're so righteous?

You can't possible know be 100% sure about Lowell but you can be about yourself.

Walk into the noose today and if you flip town, THEN we'll do me/triv.

If thats what it takes to get you and triv lynched, sure
VOTE: scout

@zach: if they 'spearhead' town and nightkill tonight its a 6/3 (and not a 7/3 like i said earlier) situation, in which scum only needs to convince 2 town to hop on, and with this town im pretty sure that will happen. 4/3 and we will most likely lose.

Sorry for inactivity lately but i have a shitload of work lately...almost makes me feel like wanting to lock up kids and make them do the work for me...but yah illegal and stuff ya know

So jarjar, youre still my target, go ahead and lynch me.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT?? LMFAOOOOOO

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also that was a terrible fucking justification. lowell's flip would, in theory out the scum if the scum were ON his wagon so I fail to see how scum would " convince " us of anything tomorrow

I'm town and p sure jarjar is town so.... shit reasoning

anyway i actually... lowell's thing on alpaca is interesting. there's some stuff in there.

scout you should know he told you that because you're not expected to " walk into the noose " and furthermore upon your flip do you think he'd ACTUALLY lynch himself? be real.

the self-vote is a gimmick but i'm tempted to indulge you and make it a wagon

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JarJar, what do you think about an Alpaca route?

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Rather, do you think Lowell's case on Alpaca had any good points?

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ok transcend so if you nailed one every game who's the certain one this game? if you say jarjar im gonna laugh



ANYWAYS UNVOTE:

VOTE: Alpaca

I'd like to see where this one goes, honestly I don't think we'll get anything from Lowell and I'm not going to press it.

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we can go off this and do lowell tomorrow with more information to be HONEST

Rather, do you think Lowell's case on Alpaca had any good points?

Yeah they were decent (though I think the reads list was fine).

I'm not a fan of the alpaca slot and I could see myself ending up on him as a compromise.

well the info within the reads was ok but the fuckin


ITS A BUNCH OF FUCKING NULLS, tHE +s and -s are just there for face value i feel like

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oddly enough i'm with you on rask a little

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Tbh everyone does his reads in his own way and i dont see the prob with this one. If you asked me a week ago in nearly any game id have said nulltown/nullscum on everyone too but i learnt that you should sound confident in what you do or stuff like this happens. I dont think alpaca is scum and im going to refrain from joining his wagon, but i wont block it anymore; id like to see some bigger pressure on him.

no worries, you are my second option

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ok transcend so if you nailed one every game who's the certain one this game? if you say jarjar im gonna laugh



ANYWAYS UNVOTE:

VOTE: Alpaca

I'd like to see where this one goes, honestly I don't think we'll get anything from Lowell and I'm not going to press it.

If you put a gun to my head and the trigger went off if my most confident scum read was town I'd say Tommy would be my most confident read. It's entirely plausible for jj to be really scummy town as I've encountered many of those. Tommy's overall neutrality for most of the game and then opportunistic push on easy ml to appear town doesn't sit well with me.

did

Rather than him lying, he could also have remembered the events incorrectly. This is a lot less likely due to how specific he went " three times ", it does point to it being orchestrated. But what bugs me is...

I am not sure why scum would choose to start a vanity wagon and deliberately bait attention to himself when he could have acquiesced to one of the others much easier and stayed under the radar. If scum, would be diverting attention off of the other wagons which would imply one of those are scum?

not shift your perspective on any of this?

I'm also going to be an annoying little fuck and probably hop back to Lowell at some point. Stay tuned.

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Tbh everyone does his reads in his own way and i dont see the prob with this one. If you asked me a week ago in nearly any game id have said nulltown/nullscum on everyone too but i learnt that you should sound confident in what you do or stuff like this happens. I dont think alpaca is scum and im going to refrain from joining his wagon, but i wont block it anymore; id like to see some bigger pressure on him.

Ok so:

current lynches

could be: me,

alpaca

, (lowell)
If i had to choose between those

id go for alpaca

but still, i have other people that id love to see dead a lot more

I dont think alpaca is scum and im going to refrain from joining his wagon

THERE WAS 5 POSTS IN BETWEEN THAT


LETS GET HIM BOYS


VOTE: inspectorscout

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I'm also going to be an annoying little fuck and probably hop back to Lowell at some point. Stay tuned.

Did u mean scout or did u you notice the scout thing after making this post?

NOTICED SCOUT AFTER THE POST

LEGGO

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YOUD HAVE A EASIER TIME STOPPING THE ZODIAC KILLER THAN STOPPING THIS FUCKING VOTE HOMIE

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Perhaps he's not happy over all 3 of the lynches (himself, lowell, alpaca) but in a dire situation would vote alpaca. He stated that he wants to go elsewhere hence, the refusal to vote alpaca. That's how i interpreted those posts, it doesn't look like a scum contradiction to me.

I know inspector can defend himself, but i tend to get super defensive towards my trs because i like preserving town numbers and dwindling scum numbers.

YOU SHOULD JUST LET IT GO, OUR FRIEND INSPECTOR EARLIER STATED HE WAS COMFORTABLE USING THE ROPE AS A NECK WARMER

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I still don't think Transc is scum regardless, he should just chill

@JJD lets get that SCOUT VOTE going

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I think Transc. is just arrogant town.

Also I'm sure there's like 96 more inspector mentions Triv LMAOO

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WHEN WE SEND SCOUTS SOUL TO THE BEYOND WE SHALL KNOW

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@zach WATAFUK where in hell is your logic? I said 'i aint joining his wagon, i dont think hes scummy' but OUT OF THE THREE WAGONS HES THE LEAST TOWN, WHERE DAFUK IN FUCKING HELL IS THE CONTRADICTION

LMFAO YOU HAD LOWELL AND YOURSELF AS THE OTHER TWO PEOPLE

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Also I guarantee scum was on the lowell wagon with how quickly it built up and dissipated like a dude in manic psychosis

well I was on the lowell wagon so I guess you'll have to look elsewhere amongst the voters i suppose

NICE you guys are so destroying yourselves
Triv and jar: you both said i was town not too long ago...good to know you guys conveniently hop on

(I never thought all three scum would all be on one wagon, but in a way its only logical; nobody expects that)


Oooh btw triv. When i said 'if lowell/me gets lynched, lynch triv/jar after', you answered with 'no we should properly analize everything before taking action AFTER lynch WITH townflip'
Basically thats just backing out before stuff even happens because YOU KNOW LOWELL AND I ARE GOING TO FLIP TOWN
god if town wasnt this inactive...

so......we're scum for voting u ?

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Lemme get this straight:

Scout, u believe that 3 scum decided to vote for you when we have Lowell (your townread) at L-1.

Is that correct?

TECHNICALLY hes at like L-3 now

I swear you are gonna regret lynching me.

The wiki entry for ATE should just link to this post.

so uh.. on the

off

chance he flips town what's your course of action

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mind you scout has just said myself jjd and trivium are the scumteam, when earlier alpaca was who he'd lynch ( but didn't think was scummy )

you did this to yourself

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mind you scout has just said myself jjd and trivium are the scumteam, when earlier alpaca was who he'd lynch ( but didn't think was scummy )

you did this to yourself

Again. That isn't that bad as he was just saying that out of those 3, alpaca is who he'd pick.

true but i think the entire scumteam being on his wagon makes up for it

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Lemme get this straight:

Scout, u believe that 3 scum decided to vote for you when we have Lowell (your townread) at L-1.

Is that correct?

Yes, because lowell is getting more active and more credible as townie. While he could be lynched, you would always go for another, less credible townie to get less problems later on

. Like, transcend said hes gonna give up if im dead, so you lynch 1 of the most active townies, 1 other gives up and you can easily get rid of lowell during the night and: scum wins.

Just stop and think for 1 second: this wagon started because of something zach said, and that wasnt even a valid reason AT ALL.

Pedit zach goddamit i said 'out of the EXISTING wagons id choose alpaca if i had to', NOT ABOUT EVERYONE.
Can you guys please GODDAMN READ before shitting all over the place?

More credible as townie according to who? Sure he cased alpaca...and? How does scum switching off him to you benefit scum in any way? for one Bacde said Lowell's wagon was scum, that means he said WE were scum.

Let's say you and Lowell are both town: It doesn't make a difference who the hypothetical scum in this situation ML. Lowell was at L-1. Easy kill.

But what's most bullshit of all is that you would consider yourself a less credible townie than Lowell(see bold) and it's bullshit for several reasons. Do I need to mention that Transcend has been white knighting you the whole game? And you said your role PM said you were town? Gee, if that's not credible I don't know what is.

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You had 1 vote on you from this guy:

[1] inspectorscout - inspectorscout

Kush and myself both had a vote as well.

Why did u choose those 3?

Because those were the existing wagons with 2+ votes at that moment...should i even be writing anything?

You guys only read what is convenient to you

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Zach: looking at my posts and looking at his, he is more credible than me + he has potential to grow a townread

almost objectively false

Jarjar: i was considered a very likely lynch, so i was in that list too. You, somehow, arent. And its not that, if ur scum, u shouldnt read. It destroys you later on.

how... if i had tried to wagon you daystart no one would have went for it besides trivium

and how was JJD not a likely lynch when a LOT of people wanted to lynch him and I was the only one who was opposed to that strongly

Oh btw trivie, i didnt give up; i wanted to do a sacrifice, but only if its useful. Ill selfvote IF AND ONLY IF the others agree on your death tomorrow

Oh btw trivie, i didnt give up; i wanted to do a sacrifice, but only if its useful. Ill selfvote IF AND ONLY IF the others agree on your death tomorrow

this is anti-town or a scum gimmick

if you're town then this play certainly nets 2 town kills as a result of the NK so you are either in the position where you don't care about that or it doesn't affect you

i hope you know one person's town flip doesn't make another person scum just because they say so

oh... but you do

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I also happen to be a member of the town club, by chance. We don't do much in the forest except drink moonshine and get lap dances from foxes.


Literal foxes.

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PUT YOUR VOTE WHERE YOU THINK SCUM IS OR YOU'RE SCUM

he has his vote on u so i dont think we can fault him atm

i assume his secondary options would be myself and jarjar

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To me all you did was scummy. Remember that people read you on tone, not on play. And i do know that i am town. I agree that not everything i did was exactly what i shouldve done, but for a second game i think im doing fine. Transcend is sometimes overly confident, but at least he contributes

I didnt discredit you, i breadcrumbed that you 3 were scum before this started AND i breadcrumbed that i breadcrumbed.

Pedit triv i know you are scum why choose someone you arent scumreading but others are, with weak facts?

um.... i know trivium wanted you dead yesterday p sure

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Hey scout, why not offer yourself up if you're so righteous?

You can't possible know be 100% sure about Lowell but you can be about yourself.

Walk into the noose today and if you flip town, THEN we'll do me/triv.

If thats what it takes to get you and triv lynched, sure
VOTE: scout
@zach: if they 'spearhead' town and nightkill tonight its a 6/3 (and not a 7/3 like i said earlier) situation, in which scum only needs to convince 2 town to hop on, and with this town im pretty sure that will happen. 4/3 and we will most likely lose.

Sorry for inactivity lately but i have a shitload of work lately...almost makes me feel like wanting to lock up kids and make them do the work for me...but yah illegal and stuff ya know

So jarjar, youre still my target, go ahead and lynch me.

Just read, i said a lot

you said a lot but you didn't say how the scum were going to convince the remaining town members to lynch ANOTHER townie if the scum are so blatantly on your wagon and you flip town

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hint: I think they'd go for one of me/triv/jjd in that case

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Hint: now they will, back then i couldnt have known what happened in the posts after, but given this sheeping inactive town: just do normal shit and you can convince them for sure.

but but im town and im pretty active

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Cross referencing these two stupid-ass wagons, I wouldn't be surprised if scum was on both, leaving Raskol and Alpaca as places that deserve more attention

Mind you, this is only because you idiots aren't willing to put more pressure on Jarjar

How does that make us idiots? Pressure the motherfucker if you want, he's been my townread.

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Apparently not being assertive is scummy so I would vote but I would be seen as scummy for voting him as well since I was on Lowell, and Shotty, but I still have more of a town lean on him so I am going to stick with not voting him and seeming scummy

So... do you townlean inspector?

Because not voting someone because of how you'll be SEEN is... a bad look

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what really upsets me out of all of this is my phone literally went from 74% to 17% in 4 seconds

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Now that inspector is on the verge of death, I've finally realized what I wanted all along: Transcend dead.

I strongly admire your determination, but I actually think he's town.

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Well there's not much I can do about that, I've made my case.

tru and I could be wrong my reasoning hinges on one or 2.5 things

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Yes, because lowell is getting more active and more credible as townie. While he could be lynched, you would always go for another, less credible townie to get less problems later on.

Like, transcend said hes gonna give up if im dead, so you lynch 1 of the most active townies, 1 other gives up and you can easily get rid of lowell during the night and: scum wins.

Like WTF is this shit? How could anyone think this a townie making good points?

That entire statement is fabricated and false.

[Zachstralkita]

Sine the beginning of the game he has been trying to lead discussion as well as making good points and and asking questions that have started actual discussion, I didn't think his read list was scummy at all (though apaprently my list was scummy and shit so clearly I'm not an expert) but having the same opinion as someone isn't scummy as long as there is a reason, there has to be agreement for a wagon to even begin. What i really don't like is why people think he is scum like in post 1019 Zach thinks he is scum for something that I don't see as scummy at all, and a whole wagon even starts on it, now either me or Zach have misread it but I see it as him saying out of the three current wagons he would vote me if he had to but he doesn't think I am scummy. That isn't a contradiction, he is just saying he obvtownreads himself and he thinks lowel is town so if he was forced to he would vote me but given an option he wouldn't since I am not super scummy, he has already in the past posted his scum reads which some people ignore or forget quickly. If you actually read what he says he makes good posts but apparently a lot of people skip over parts of what he reads, example post 585 is an obvious example of JarJar not fully reading post 259, he probs only read the first sentence and was like oh Scout thinks 'if x than y' is scummy.

The bad part of that situation was his reasoning for it, which JarJar went into. He listed himself as one of the more likely wagons with 2+ votes(when he had one, from himself) and Kush and someone else had a vote... p sure it was Tommy

[Zachstralkita]

And please explain to me the logic here:

- Scout thinks that Lowell is town.
- Lowell is @ L-1
- Scout thinks that Myself/Zack/Triv are the scumteam and for some reason we decide to derail the Lowell wagon to switch to scout.

If you think scout is town because he's acting like terrible noob town then I'd say OK. But for you to townread him for "making good points" is ridiculous.

SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS SHIT TO ME TOO

[Zachstralkita]

The lurking part of my case on Kush has become null now that he's actually flaked. He remains my top suspect, but it doesn't look good for getting others to join me before the replacement, so I'll give up for now.

Neither of the two current wagons is awful, and I'd also consider a Transcend lynch, but this is the best chance:

VOTE: inspectorscout

In his early reads list, all three scum reads were evasive and non-committal, but on day 1 I read him as town because of this:

And even by saying this, i fucked myself because scum now knows my line of thoughts, too, so they can adapt to what i said.

I think this is the kind of 'Aargh I'm going round and round' thought process that's hard for a newbie to fake as scum.

On the other hand, I can't believe his position on Trivium's townslip is genuine:

That thing about dunn might have been a genuine townslip, but after thinking a bit, it was just TOO obvious.

This is the most damning, I think:

i can give you a list of my stuff with opinions like 168,188,226,243,249,296 and the seemingly infamous 301.

If you go through that list, almost every opinion is either a null read or is qualified with 'I dunno, I could be wrong'. He's trying to seem like he has an opinion while actually committing himself to as little as possible.

More recently, I really like JarJar's question about why scout saw himself as a more likely lynch than other people who had a single vote on them - especially given that scout's vote was from himself. I don't think scout has given a credible answer to that.

Forgive me, but I think your votes are sorta opportunistic.

If it weren't for that other thing I brought up when you voted kush, I'd have reason to suspect you more.

[Zachstralkita]

@jar+zach: i know i did shit moves, so my credibility as town is going town. That is a fact. Lowell didnt contribute a lot yet back then, but ever since, his posts have gotten way better. Thats also a fact, i think everyone agrees on that. He showed his reasoning behind stuff now instead of lurking and posting with ''here is a vote ill explain later bye''. Now, if scum goes for the easy lynch, his wagon on L-1, they are sure to get problems with that D3 because he was gaining town credibility. The only way to justify his lynch later on would be ''idk he still looked scummy and deserved it k [insert gif meme here]''. Killing someone who is on his way down, however, can be justified much easier. There were some ppl with a so sdo read on me, so scum!zach knows he can start a more credible wagon, get 'town points' for it and possibly can get me lynched. 3 scum on that wagon because absolutely nobody would suspect that. That last part is wifom, though.

are you not aware of the fact that we look worse on your wagon?

[Zachstralkita]

Ok, so lets theorize here for a second that the scum team is JarJar, Zach and Triv. Now out the games I am playing right now in every single one of them nobody thinks that scum would ever try and run a lynch together since its too risky so if the whole scum team got together and tried to run lynches in tandem nobody would see them as scum because everyone thinks its so obvious it cant be scummy.

think what you want, you might be disappointed.

[Zachstralkita]

and how the FUCK do I get town points for lynching YOU? your lynch wouldnt even be a real thing if i hadn't made a move. trivium alone would never be enough to wagon you.

and when this all started, you were the first one to vote yourself.

[Zachstralkita]

Not going to answer questions i already answered. My selfvote wasnt to start a wagon on me, it was to do a lynch4lynch with triv. Since nobody agreed, why wouldi bother?

Why would anyone agree? You seem to forget how anti-town that play was as well.

[Zachstralkita]

it wasn't even scummy, it was just definitively not town

[Zachstralkita]

It's a 2-2 trade when you factor in the nightkill. That means if you're wrong we get fucked.

[Zachstralkita]

And I think you might be wrong.

[Zachstralkita]

Get a fucking room.

Hello sideways 8

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Transcend, the biggest fucking problem I have with you is that scum can vote your scumread and probably be cleared in your eyes for it.

[Zachstralkita]

Trans, u havent answered:

If we lynch scout and he flips town then do you admit that we (triv, zach, myself) are the power town players and you're garbage?

I... I think you meant if he flips scum

[Zachstralkita]

that's my job

Ok next person who comes on has to vote tommy or I'm declaring them confirmed as his buddy

Ok.

hey I WAS THE NEXT PERSON so he has to confirm ME





wait a minute...........

[Zachstralkita]

@zach i think you are wrong about me, too. You pushed a wagon, based on a nonsense reason, and

suddenly

2 of my worst scumreads are on it. Isnt that a tad too convenient? And if none of you three are scum, who is? This game is almost trans/bacde/me/alpaca vs you/jarjar/triv + lowell/kush/rask/tommy at the sidelines. If there is 1 scum in each 'team' id say triv, alpaca and rask/kush but i am pretty sure they are not the scum team. The only ones i want to lynch right now are jarjar and triv...but i guess im not in a position to do that anymore

inspector has way too many options as to who is or could be scum in my opinion

And if none of you three are scum, who is?

This shouldn't actually be your concern, you were certain at least ONE of us was

[Zachstralkita]

im actually quite sure inspector, that with the help of your pal transcend and his new pal infinity you guys could swing a jarjar wagon. i just wouldn't be on it. ever.

[Zachstralkita]

or i could take the tinfoil hat angle and say that.... if me, trivium, and jarjar are town (which I am quite sure of), scout is town, and transcend /kush slot is town, then scum would have to try and blend in amidst this confusion and work off of it while not being noticeable enough to draw attention away from the main wagon, though not necessarily having to be ON it and possibly arguing against the would be ML (for towncred)

in that case i would suspect bacde



(this is route C, we take route C in the event that route A[scout] fails and because route B [jarjar] is bullshit, alternative routes include route D[tommy], which is ehhhhHHhhhHhhhh)

[Zachstralkita]

That's actually a good vote, Tommy. I was about to mention how much I didn't fucking like infinity's entrance at all.

[Zachstralkita]

the whole " WELL GOSH DARN IT I THOUGHT I WAS GONNA BE REPLACING INTO A SCUM SLOT BUT LOOKIE HERE, MY HANDY DANDY ROLE PM SAYS IM TOWN!!!!!" is... yeah..

Also the fact the Transcend has had a similar cuddle fest with Rask yesterday (or today.. for voting..Tommy?)

and now scumleans him

[Zachstralkita]

Yeah, it was the start of today. So you going to join me?

Let's see what others have to say on what we've brought up so far, I know we're not getting transc.'s vote so if Trivium is down then maybe we can get somewhere

[Zachstralkita]

Honestly zach has been making some good comments and i could actually believe he might be town. Could. Dammit you have been confusing me all game. Uhh, i still want jarjar and triv dead but i can live with a tommy lynch for now, since hes been rising into my scumreads. Hes still didnt give clear reads. He was sure of kush being scum, and now he seems sure of me being scum. He townreads triv and...? And yes, not only his votes but also his play is opportunistic. His scumspects were an afk player and a player at L-3 who is flailing like crap. Nice.

Did you miss what we said about infinity or do you think it's nonsense?

[Zachstralkita]

And I don't like how Tommy seemed to be gone for most of these conversations, just slipping by at the most opportune points. I scumread Tommy, but I also reaally scumread transcend, so yet again I'm not even sure anymore. I need some detailed info on what infinity thinks of inspector.

Judging by Tommy's location I might wager the timezone difference is the reason for this, yo

[Zachstralkita]

NAI because some people lolhammer. If he claimed bulletproof you wouldnt believe him and lynch him. Does that help? No. And kush wasnt really active anyway, it couldve been 'lulz bye'

Pedit zach gotta eat now ill post my thoughts in a few hours

we werent talking about the lolhammer

[Zachstralkita]

Just found this from Transcend:

by giving him botd i meant that he forgot about asking for claims. he acknowledged that he was at l-1.

It's a lie. Look:

Are you saying Kush gets a pass because he may not have known Shotty was at L-1?

Sure, I'm willing to give him BOTD.

Isn't that him explaining that when he said BOTD it was referring to the claim part, and not the L-1 part?

[Zachstralkita]

^ " i agreed with the vote"

thats not what you implied at all. it seems you're only saying that now

[Zachstralkita]

This is the kind of attitude I'm talking about. You're not being proactive, you're not scumhunting, you're not pushing for lynches, you're just commenting on what you see and asking question which don't seem to be getting anywhere.

People say this about me too, I don't agree with this line of reasoning.

Mafia is an information game. The more information we have as town, the better. Simple as.

What

I said already I thought the slot was scum

Of course, but it's your slot now, so it has to be town.

[Zachstralkita]

role pm

So you know about the forest?


I just need a simple answer.

[Zachstralkita]

What are you talking about

A simple answer.

[Zachstralkita]

You asked me a question, I don't understand the question.

Here's the thing though, there's not a whole lot to understand. You either do or you don't


Yes or no?

[Zachstralkita]

I'm pretty sure the answer is no

Noted.

[Zachstralkita]

I'm pretty sure the answer is no

Are you pretty sure or are you certain?

[Zachstralkita]

I'm not certain cause I don't get what the question is referencing.

I think if the answer was yes I would understand what the question is referencing.

That's why I answered no.

Go back to the initial post where I questioned you. You should understand.