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HAVE YOU PEOPLE EVEN READ ANY BASIC GAME THEORY?Sammich wrote:FoS Oman
No Lynch= Possible no mislynch, possible 1 NK.Oman wrote: No lynch is a town move now? Are you out of your mind!?!?
Total townie deaths= 1, hypothetically
Lynch= Possible mislynch, possible NK
Total townie deaths= 2, hypothetically
YOU DO NOT. UNDER MOST ANY CIRCUMSTANCE. NO-LYNCH ON D1.-
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You're missing the possibility of 2 cops with varying sanities, which makes me more hesitant to vote you; I think we can get more info from letting you live another night.scotmany12 wrote:Oh and oman, I do not think karen is the lynch, as we have two claimed cops. You should probably pick one of me or panzer.
Also, Karen isn't the lynch. Distad is.-
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And this differs from your plan how?scotmany12 wrote:Jdodge, this doesn't force to make the mafia go anywhere with there kill. Scum will not pass up the opportunity to kill the cop. The only thing that we will gain by not lynching one of us, if by having one of us killed. Its that simple. Your plan is not going to prove anything. If I'm the only cop, I die. If we are both cops, one of us die, setting up the other.
Oh, right, the possibility that the scumwon'tkill a claimed cop and we get more investigations.
WHY ARE ALL OF YOU ACTING LIKE COMPLETE AND UTTER MORONS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE SO FUCKING OBVIOUS?-
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You are acting like a moron, and I'll say that as much as I want until you start thinking about things.scotmany12 wrote:Yeah, don't insult me please. I'm not acting like a moron. Your plan does nothing for me, as panzer is scum. I am very confident of this. The fact that you believe the two cop scenario more than the one cop and one lying scum is unnerving to me.
I AM NOT IN ANY WAY SAYING THAT I FEEL EITHER SCENARIO TO BE MORE LIKELY.
ONLY THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE THAT BOTH EXIST.-
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But we'llscotmany12 wrote:Yeah, but I can totally see the scum outing at least one member of their team to get rid of the cop. Also, if we have two cops, then I truly want us both to live, but what I see happening is the mafia will kill one of us, while setting up the other one.still potentially have one night's investigation.-
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WHOA WHOA WHOA
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Assuming we have an SK (not a RETARD OF A VIG), and assuming 2 scum, we are in lylo. If we lynch today, we have 6 people, and then if the potential SK (if vig, don't kill unless you're positively sure you dumbass) kills town, we lose.
Besides, distad is a way better choice than Karen.
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Y'know I'm not sure if I'm entirely inclined to believe scot's claim anymore, I find it odd that the mafia didn't even attempt to kill him.
More interesting I find it odd that he chose to come right out and scream "I'M THE COP I'M THE COP" essentially when taking out Panzer as opposed to being more subtle about it.
Finally, we as a town are essentially screwed if there is scum and SK. The correct play for today I feel is for scot to be lynched and for Oman to vig distad if scot comes up town.-
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Good! Then do the town thing and help me lynch you.scotmany12 wrote:I agree with you jdodge that it is odd that the mafia has not attempted to kill me, but I am the cop. Yes I screwed up day 2. I should made a case against panzer, which I was able to do, but I made a bad play.
Anyways, your plan does work jdodge, but of course you would have to be town, but I'm confident that you are.
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I'm not claiming.scotmany12 wrote:I was actualy doubting that you might be a 4th mafia member jdodge, but if that was the case then the town would have lost, as it would be 2-2.
Before I switch my vote jdodge, I want you to claim. If you are the doc, then there is still possibility of oman being the sk. If not, then I'm pretty sure oman is the vig since there was only 1 kill night 1.-
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You assume too much, just shut up and votescotmany12 wrote:Yes, but jdodge, if we lynch distad, the last mafia member(of course you have doubts that it is me) then there is the chance that we can win if oman is the vig. If we lynch oman, we have no chance, mafia wins.
If Oman is a SK, we're guaranteed a loss if we lynch wrong or scum-
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You see, the problem there is there's no incentive for distad to kill a townie if you aren't lying. He can either tie or win by killing you; likewise, you can either tie or win by killing him. But if he kills a townie, he can only tie or lose; therefore the correct play is for you two to kill each other. Furthermore, I point to the site-wide rules that state:Oman wrote:Lol JD, nice attempt at dissent.
Its only fair, your only chance is if we kill eachother tonight, but as I'll be going for you guys, and I can only assume distad will join me, you're stuffed.
Therefore your attempts to not go for your win condition and instead tie are illegal.Play to win the game.
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Ah, but you do realize that technically speaking (in any situation like this), it should be ruled a double-loss in mafia-SK endgame (each kills other) as opposed to a tie? So you essentially have win-lose or lose-lose. Pick your poison.Oman wrote:Okay, so this is a prisoner's dilema, we knew that from the start. If he kills a townie and I kill him, I win. He kills me and I kill a townie, he wins. We both kill town, we both win. We both kill eachother, town wins.
I'm going to make the safe assumption that Distad's win condition is something like "win when comprise of 50% of the town or more" which he fulfills, being only me and him.
Interestingly enough, my win condition (which I cannot quote) contains a "survive-to-win" aspect. I cannot do anything BUT that which gives me the greatest chance at survival.
So really, win conditions have nothing to do with it.
Oh and the prisoner's dilema is a well recognised thing around MS in terms of going for the win or the tie.
Furthermore, distad, why would you want to share a loss with Oman anyways, especially when you could win by lynching him?
Also, when you do the smart thing and hammer Oman, you will probably be forced to make a night choice as a formality; can you kill scot plz? I never get endgamed-
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