Mini 1791: Mildly Dangerous Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Titus]

Ok. Will read up tonight.

[Titus]

My prior slot holder did not BG anyone... Or did he?

[Titus]

@Zakk, Order of claims please.

[Titus]

When did my slot claim?

[Titus]

Ok, here's where I am at.

There's four claimed bodyuards. At least one of those is likely the traitor as scum shooting bodyguards isn't helpful and scum are more likely to shoot in the VTs. Lynching in the bodyguard claimers is the best ideal play. There's a 50% chance of hitting scum. I should also specify which bodyguard guards me. That way, if I die, it nets us a guaranteed scum. The two scum we don't lynch and I don't direct should protect the towniest of the VT claims. This prevents scum from killing obvious townies and pressures the scum in the bodyguards if we're wrong to link up with their buddies or keep obvtown alive.

[Titus]

I came during the day.

Not explicitly claiming an action is helpful, because scum have to fear whether or not I have a result on their mislynch Zakk.

Do you disagree with the course of action I have laid out aside from the results?

[Titus]

Actually yeah, fuck this.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

I probably will have no to very little internet access in my V/LA.

Will probably drop my vote on TTH before I leave, I think Exp is fake and this (linked post) makes me like the RC lynch less.

I'd recommend Expedience.

[Titus]

Oh no wait, Kush is dead.

I need to redo my analysis then.

That's 1 scum in 3. So that's a 33% chance to hit scum. Still likely the traitor that has claimed in there because the traitor can be shot (that's my understanding).
Then there's 2 scum in 8, so that's a 25% chance.

Lynching in the BGs is still optimal. Then, either we get two additional conftowns OR scum have to scumclaim to NK me and create another conftown. Either way, we cannot come out worse AND players leave associative tells.

Of course, I'm

very

intrigued by the RC and TTH wagons and wonder how those happened. I kinda want to be wrong here.

[Titus]

I don't see how that's accurate at all RC. How are scum forced to shoot in the bodyguards? If I was knowledgeable scum, I'd be shooting in the VT claims and not bussing here as the optimal strategy. As the traitor, I'd go with whatever the town decided.

[Yes! I can say what I'd do without it coming across as scummy.]

[Titus]

BG
BG
Traitor

VT
VT
VT
VT
VT
VT
Scum
Scum

Is that the place we're starting from?

[Titus]

Ok, let's suppose we mislynch today. Scum successfully shoot in the VTs.

That gives

[1/3]. [2/6]

Repeat the cycle

[1/3], [2/4] <--- That's 7 alive 3 scum lylo.


Now, let's look at my plan

Lynch in the BGs, suppose a mislynch, scum will kill in the VTs because killing me = scumclaim. Same with killing the other bodyguard.

[1/2], [2/5]

Lynch in the BGs again. If we are correct here, we have two conftowns. But let's suppose we're wrong again. I'm dead.

[Confscum], [2/5]

Get a shit ton of associatives from the flip.


Then plus if we are correct in finding the scum in the bodyguards, then we get additional conftowns, making the game insanely difficult for scum.

[Titus]

@RC, lynching scum in the BGs nets us conftown. Lynching scum in the BGs is more likely. In the event of two failures, we get a third guaranteed lynch. Controlling the kill just doesn't seem likely and I don't see how that works.

Can you give a full list of reads RC? You too Dwlee.

[Titus]

Zakk, you too.

[Titus]

Lynching scum in the BGs nets us 2 conftown, yes.

But lynching town gets us nothing, AND since scum cannot win unless they kill you, we just simply use them as cannon fodder until you die, at which point it becomes VTs vs Goons, essentially.

But until that point, we get free cop results via you.

And up until that point, the scum have to POE the scum in the bodyguard claims bit by bit.

Scum can endgame me.

And no really I don't get free cop results. Have you ever seen me subtly crumb?

[Titus]

I will think about this. By my own theory, at least one townie hates my plan. I think people are too attached to PRs here though.

[Titus]

The setup still has game theory and lynches to it. I read your posts Zakk. I still disagree and think lynching within the bodyguards is a good idea. Yet, the majority of the game does not. It would likely take more effort and be more disruptive to the game state to persist to protest for my idea.

I have hammer though.

[Titus]

Like I said, I disagree, but the game state would not be helped by bickinging either way.

[Titus]

I'm not sure. I don't lead much but stop bad logic as conftown. It prevents me from being buddied and my ego is a weakness.

[Titus]

Why do you have TTH as town RC?

[Titus]

Dwlee is town. One of the bodyguards will be protecting him.

[Titus]

Ok, here's where I am at.

There's four claimed bodyuards. At least one of those is likely the traitor as scum shooting bodyguards isn't helpful and scum are more likely to shoot in the VTs. Lynching in the bodyguard claimers is the best ideal play. There's a 50% chance of hitting scum. I should also specify which bodyguard guards me. That way, if I die, it nets us a guaranteed scum. The two scum we don't lynch and I don't direct should protect the towniest of the VT claims. This prevents scum from killing obvious townies and pressures the scum in the bodyguards if we're wrong to link up with their buddies or keep obvtown alive.

call me crazy
but this plan sounds somewhat sensible on first impression

Also, Titus is famous for being unconventional, zakk, lol! At least you invited someone to fill the slot!

Famous? I am flattered. I'm not.

You should come to game nights.

[Titus]

No hammer. I need to determine BG assignments and if TTH is a good lynch.

[Titus]

Also guys I urgently need to know who I'll be bodyguarding.

You can guard Dwlee.

[Titus]

I'd love an expert lynch, out of the bodyguards. Also, I think performer is town :s

And your read on TTH is?

[Titus]

Also guys I urgently need to know who I'll be bodyguarding.

Also guys I urgently need to know who I'll be bodyguarding.

You can guard Dwlee.

i would prefer BNL be the one to guard you titus. i have a stronger townread on him than asphodel.

I want the scummmiest bodyguard to be assigned to protect me.

[Titus]

Expedience guards me.
Bnl bodyguards Dwlee.

I have not picked the other two.

[Titus]

Expedience guards me.
Bnl bodyguards Dwlee.

I have not picked the other two.

we're not doing this.

same guy is on you again. c'mon.

Yes. We are doing that. The scummiest bodyguard is better on me.

We're already lynching in a pool that's objectively suboptimal. This is the best play.

[Titus]

Why is Aprcity town, RC?

[Titus]

Well guess what, I think visiting anyone is shitty for me to do. I cannot crumb it, I won't visit.

I have guided town to victory before as conftown. So let me do my job. Ty.

Second, why is Aprcity town?

[Titus]

Wasting the potential to confirm people as town is just...

And I'm not wasting it. That's why the scummiest bodyguard guards me. Consistently.

It puts scum into a very difficult Hobson's choice. I have actually thought this out RC.

This is the third time I'm asking you RC. Why is Aprcity town? If you cease to answer my questions about your reads in the game, I have zero desire to discuss my setup spec analysis with you.

[Titus]

zakk, why should everyone know Heur is a vt?

[Titus]

RC, I'm flat out ignoring you unless you engage me.

[Titus]

What do you want me to engage you on? And yeah, I'm having issues engaging this game. there was a reason I was selfvoting until you came in.

A reads list on the whole game and why you feel that way would be a start.

[Titus]

zakk, why should everyone know Heur is a vt?

Can you fucking not include dead people in your read walls unless you're doing a VC or something important? It's distracting as shit.

[Titus]

Ok, right now here's where I'm at.

BnL on Dwlee. That should protect Dwlee.
Exp on me. That should protect me (otherwise we just inherit a great position)
Aspodel on Bellaphant OR Aspecity (his choice).

I want to force scum to shoot in RC/Zakk or a bodyguard. The worst thing that comes out of this is a reduction in the noise level.

[Titus]

Ok, right now here's where I'm at.

BnL on Dwlee. That should protect Dwlee.
Exp on me. That should protect me (otherwise we just inherit a great position)
Aspodel on Bellaphant OR Aspecity (his choice).

I want to force scum to shoot in RC/Zakk or a bodyguard. The worst thing that comes out of this is a reduction in the noise level.

nah i really want to be protected, and i want asphodel to do it, because i think he's one of the real ones but i don't trust him as much as BNL (who should be on you, honestly)

expedience is probably the fake one and having him on you would be a really shitty plan. A REALLY SHITTY PLAN.

i'll say it again

HAVING EXPEDIENCE BODYGUARD YOU IS A REALLY SHITTY PLAN

No. It's absolutely not. The goal is to force the scum into a shit sandwhich with the nightkills and get something from it.

BnL is on VLA and is protecting Dwlee.

Why did you invite me here for my smart opinion if your sole intent was to shoot me down?

[Titus]

I don't call confirming scum as bad shit. That's what happens if I die.

Second, if you were so confident on scum being Expedience, why would you object to lynching in my bodyguards plan?


@Bella, you've read this game. You tell ME what you want to do with your vote.

[Titus]

I do. It seems like I am thoroughly outvoted though.

What do you think of my plan?

[Titus]

Dwlee, if I die and TTH flips town, keep in mind an RC+Zakk+ Exp team. Don't think it is the answer but this feels like NY 192.

[Titus]

Mod: Do bodyguards protect against the weak modifier death?

This seems to be a built in assumption, and one I think is false.

[Titus]

Yeah, that means having the possibility of my target getting framed. No thank you. If this is about PoE, let's force the scum to make moves.

[Titus]

titus. Trust me. Just use an action. I can't explain everything but

trust me

What happens if scum no kill? Expedience gets framed and the real scum gets away.

Before you get started ANY name could be framed there.

[Titus]

No. If I die, having confscum is MUCH more valuable. I don't want a setup where my death means infer nothing. Given I've already outed, the only move here is to not act OR visit someone I'm already solidly townreading and that list is at one.

If I am already townreading them though, that's putting my own read confidence ahead of everyone else, which I cannot do as conftown.

[Titus]

I hear what you're saying Zakk.

I wanna talk to Dwle.

What are your reads Dwlee?

[Titus]

That didn't mean I agree with you. Just if I did it, I could only visit townreads.

[Titus]

hi who do you want to know about

TTH for starters.

[Titus]

Ok, who is your biggest scumread and why aren't you voting them?

[Titus]

Outside of that, bella/performer team possible BUT NO ONE WOULD RESPOND TO MY POSTS about it.

Which posts?

[Titus]

Btw, Lurkaderp is TTH's scum meta Dwlee. So I'm not surprised why TTH is wagoned.

[Titus]

I got annoyed after seeing like 15 references to traitors and a comment to NY 192. Show me what you want me to see.

[Titus]

I could see Bella scum but not Performer based on that. Not all wagons that fail would be because the victim was scum.

[Titus]

Nah, that doesn't make sense. There's no rule that says scum are wagoned D1.

[Titus]

OK Titus.

I will ISO people. who is your #1 target.

For what?

[Titus]

You wanted a reads list with reasons. I've mostly forgotten about my reads besides Zakk.

Who do you want me to re-read first?

Start with who you think my target would be if I was to hide tonight.

[Titus]

Yes because if you can't detect it, then there's no point to this exercise at all. I can't do it if no one can track me.

[Titus]

No.

[Titus]

Yeah, now you're just guessing.

[Titus]

I don't know Titus.

I can't really read your mind.

You told me that you would be able to figure out who I hid behind. I already put forth the information to find my selection. Given you were wrong, I could have died and you would have lynched the wrong person. That is why I cannot hide. You know me the best out of anyone here.

[Titus]

If you townread me, make a crumb that only I would understand.

If I had a solid townread on you or Zakk, you'd be getting bodyguards.

[Titus]

Here's my reasoning.

You apparently want me dead so it wouldn't be me.
I'm saying Zakk is scum so I doubt it would be Zakk.
Expedience is generally scumread and is not a good check.
Bella/Performer/TTH are also scum pools in the VT so it wouldn't be them.

That leaves the 3 that I told you in that order.

I didn't say I wanted you dead, just that I don't have a townread on you.

[Titus]

Titus, remember that the plan is to hit town.

Yeah, I'm aware of y'alls plan. It's been fully demonstrated that it won't work now despite the common sense implementations I've done.

[Titus]

You dying means we mostly ignore it.

We're hoping for you not to die which is more likely than you dying.

Yeah, I'm not going to risk my life just to be ignored. If that's y'alls plan, it will not happen.

[Titus]

I mean who would want to come in to a slot and how smart they were only to be ignored after death?

Like, you're not even understanding between an "I don't know what you are read" versus a scumread. I feel the exact same way about Zakk. Why should I want to pick between you two when I can force scum to do it for me?

[Titus]

Because I'm considered somewhat valuable to keep alive in 95% of my games.

clearly I am not here.

Knock off the AtE. I assess value by keeping my townreads alive first. Then I go to who has the most value after that. So you want me to reconsider the bodyguard actions, you damn well should stop whining about how dead you're going to be and bitching about how obvscum Zakk is and go find me his partner.

[Titus]

You could be the best player in this game, but I wouldn't give two craps if I didn't townread you. The whole argument of I don't townread so and so but they are so valuable makes my fucking skin crawl.

[Titus]

I don't want a bodyguard. I want to be dead and not have to play this game anymore.

What is with this everyone doesn't get their way and I want to go take my ball and go home?

[Titus]

Ugh, I get it you hate him.

Just pretend like he's flipped scum and talk to me. I'm willing to listen, but I'm not willing to tolerate a noise increasing factor that drowns out all scumhunting.

I find it absolutely amazing that you both agree on the same fucking plan, yet you both scream at the top of your lungs the other is scum.

[Titus]

If RC is town the he's got an ego bigger than Kanye

This game is broken in towns favor, and VERY VERY OBVIOUSLY SO, if you follow my plan Titus

Really, because I figure the plan is really fucking easy to counter as scum, particularly if town don't know who I'm hiding behind.

[Titus]

Given you both agree with this and you both think each other are scum, either your reads need adjustment or scum are fine and dandy with me checking someone.

[Titus]

Also, Titus, do you think I should explicitly state who I'm guarding or leave it a mystery? I think if scum want me dead they'll probably just kill me directly.

Sorry to intrude but here's what I can think of:

if you bg me for example, you get hit, you die, nobody can confirm what happened
if you bg me for example, I get hit, you die, nobody can confirm what happened
if you bg me for example, neither of us get hit, then at least we're alive to work the next day

I think it's much better for us if you provide us the info . Otherwise we're grasping at too many straws in an already darkened place.

Also, if you end up being the next death, then we can at least theorize that you or I were on a right track of thought in this game at some point or many points in time. This means others can be more comfortable with thinking, "Performer/Asph are very likely town so I can go scumhunt more efficiently. "

Hope this helps!

Nope. I want it quiet. I want you both to be risky kills.

[Titus]

If you townread me, make a crumb that only I would understand.

If I had a solid townread on you or Zakk, you'd be getting bodyguards.

If anything results in the remaining 2 days for d2 , other than a lynch - I strongly recommend someone protect Titus. Preferably not Expedience.

Nope, it's Expedience.

[Titus]

Ok, does anyone have questions?

[Titus]

Ok, does anyone have questions?

Why are you condoning this?

Objection: What is this?

[Titus]

Are you really that clueless about the noise between you and Zakk clouding the game?

No. The bodyguards are not switching.

Exp on me.
BnL on Dwlee.
The last bodyguard on Bella or Performer. My preference is Performer.

That's not going to change until you actually start helping people RC. There's 3 scum here.

[Titus]

I am getting NKed tonight. period.

What will you do tomorrow?

I'll look into Zakk.

I'm VLA this weekend. So hammer's coming ladies and gents.

VOTE: TTH

Sorry in advance if you're town TTH.

[Titus]

I am getting NKed tonight. period.

What will you do tomorrow?

Neither you nor Zakk died. Can you stop the tunnel now?

[Titus]

titus you get an inno?

Who would you think I checked if I did?

[Titus]

Why do you think scum shot Bella?

Why don't you feel like town right now?

[Titus]

Aprcity and Dwlee is viable. Still like Exp as traitor but that's possible.

[Titus]

I'm still on the high of the TTH flip wheeeeee

Neither Expedience or Titus dying means:
1. Expedience is scum hoping to pretend scum wanted us to assume he's scum due to him not dying and Titus also still being alive
2. Expedience is town being framed because why would neither he nor Titus die?

Bella dying is fortuitous for me because I had very little read there, and this helps a lot. Someone I was surer was town dying would have been relatively uninformative

Bella kill also means that whoever scum is, doesn't feel particularly in danger from anyone, and doesn't want to upset the power struggle in the day game

OR, paranoia to the max, I have a theory:
-Titus/fourtrouble was never the weak bodyguard, but is scum
-the real weak big knows that, but chose not to counter claim and just tried to stay hidden to reveal max results at once
-Titus therefore has no results to report and is being coy about it
-the mod is being very resistant to leading me to believe FT ever had an action
-Titus is also being very resistant to following any plan I create
-scum took a best guess at real weak big last night killing Bella

But that's just my tin foil hat doing its thing again

Ok tinfoil, your real reads please

[Titus]

Why do you think scum shot Bella?

Why don't you feel like town right now?

Probably cause shooting inside zakk / rc ends their tunnel of each other?
I dont get the second question?

This is not a question.

[Titus]

Why do you think scum shot Bella?

Why don't you feel like town right now?

Probably cause shooting inside zakk / rc ends their tunnel of each other?
I dont get the second question?

This is not a question.

Yea idk why I put question marks. But explain the second question if you want me to answer it.

I want you to tell me why my gut says you are scum mcscum fucks.

[Titus]

Why do you think scum shot Bella?

Why don't you feel like town right now?

Probably cause shooting inside zakk / rc ends their tunnel of each other?
I dont get the second question?

This is not a question.

Yea idk why I put question marks. But explain the second question if you want me to answer it.

I want you to tell me why my gut says you are scum mcscum fucks.

hey titus see 1976 pls

also, claim. both results.

please.

Titus is town. Titus is town.

[Titus]

5 bucks says he is the traitor. 5 flippin bucks

It strikes me as a little odd that you're accusing RC of

specifically

being the traitor.

What makes you say that?

dwlee is really likely not scum with TTH here

Meh, that could be TTH scolding Dwelee for thinking RC was the traitor.

[Titus]

Why do you think scum shot Bella?

Why don't you feel like town right now?

Probably cause shooting inside zakk / rc ends their tunnel of each other?
I dont get the second question?

This is not a question.

Yea idk why I put question marks. But explain the second question if you want me to answer it.

I want you to tell me why my gut says you are scum mcscum fucks.

Because you are bad at reading me? idk. You are refusing to claim results and go with the plan

#conftown abuse

[Titus]

Ok RC/Zakk cannot be scum together.

Hey Dwlee, reads?

[Titus]

Nah, Dwlee you don't get to sheep Zakk. Zakk is understandably annoyed that I am not following his recommendations considering he thinks they are game breaking. You, not so much.

[Titus]

Just lynch me do we can establish once again that you all suck at reading me.

RC, if I was to let people lynch you, it would be because your bellyaching makes it impossible to get a read on you. Zakk is not scum. Who is?

[Titus]

I submitted no action last night. Deliberately. My thoughts on Zakk are just a read.

The prior check, if anyone, is still alive.

[Titus]

Yeah, not lying Zakk.

No one figured out my obvious planned check, so I didn't do it.

Zakk, why should I follow you when you were screaming RC was scum and were dragged back to TTH?

[Titus]

Bc I'm town + attractive + I kick ass at jenga and other similar games

You aren't bad at resistance and I am sure single people into men would find you attractive. Alas, not me though. I'm married to a good man.

[Titus]

I am not confirming or denying. I don't care for an RC lynch though. He may be scum but....

I want a Dwlee lynch.

[Titus]

Nah, I don't want a hammer yet. BG alignments remain the same.

We should be voting Dwlee.

VOTE: Dwlee

[Titus]

@Zakk, Your "breaking strategy" requires me to live to find out who is town certainly or leave absolute crumbs only town can figure out.

Don't sell me this crap about you've been right for tunnelling RC for many god damn pages. RC hasn't flipped scum and you think he's town now. Being loud and vocal doesn't mean right on everything.

I also, don't feel comfortable with using the bodyguard because y'all cannot track it. It was a simple test. It failed. I want to force Exp scum to shoot me and trade himself.

The bodyguards are for people I feel increase town cohesion. You're working with your own ego.

I am not sheeping you when you were dragged to TTH.

[Titus]

Bodyguard assignments

Exp me
BnL performer
Aprcity RC

[Titus]

RC stop playing metaception

Asphodel just stop screwing around and hammer. I refuse to vote anyone else toDay.

Great and when the slot flips town, you'll shut up about how great you are? And all we have to do is listen to you?

[Titus]

Meant the other A guy.

That's the biggest advantage to lynching you. No confusion.

[Titus]

@Dwlee, why are you voting Aprcity and then telling me I can gloat about being right?

Why do you think no scum are voting you? Wouldn't scum want a counter if Aprcity is scum?

[Titus]

It's game over for scum if we lynch scum today realistically. I could die and still town wins.

[Titus]

@Dwlee, why are you voting Aprcity and then telling me I can gloat about being right?

Why do you think no scum are voting you? Wouldn't scum want a counter if Aprcity is scum?

We means zakk and I. And the counter wagon is rc imo

Why wouldn't scum sheep me?

[Titus]

It's game over for scum if we lynch scum today realistically. I could die and still town wins.

I hope you DO die

You're playing ridiculously anti town

I HAVE BROKEN THIS GAME

Shut up. Please for the love of goodness. No one can scumhunt with you being this way.

[Titus]

no one needs to scumhunt

i've already done it.

you're being purposely anti-town and i'm really fucking annoyed.

You think you've found the answer. Yet, you're being so loud and obnoxious, no one can vet your answer. This isn't Zakk plays and everyone else twiddles their thumbs.

[Titus]

@Dwlee, why are you voting Aprcity and then telling me I can gloat about being right?

Why do you think no scum are voting you? Wouldn't scum want a counter if Aprcity is scum?

We means zakk and I. And the counter wagon is rc imo

Why wouldn't scum sheep me?

One scum is already on me and the other has to stay commited to the rc wagon ffs

Why?

[Titus]

Perf, I learned recently that it's based on post count. 1000 posts = Mafia Scum. And that makes 4 people pointing out I'm not a BG. I'm also not voting anyone other than RC today.

That is not happening today.

[Titus]

You're welcome. Help me lynch Dwlee?

I'm also coming around to a policy lynch on Zakk.

[Titus]

I don't get the Apricity scumread at all. The expedience BG on me is also working well to contain him.

[Titus]

Well, I cannot assess nothing.

[Titus]

Youre getting lynched tomorrow if apricity flips town. I will make sure that happens (really dont want you alive in lylo)

I am NOT EVER VOTING RC OR APRCITY IN THIS ENVIRONMENT.

[Titus]

*hugs Titus*

TY for keeping me alive and asking for a BG on me. 21st onward I promise massive investment from me.

Seriously??? I am so not liking this. You've been sliding by the majority of this game, using that same reason over and over.

Don't attack people's RL.

[Titus]

Dwlee then Performer then Zakk.

[Titus]

I'm playing league, when I'm done I'm coming back and hammering

No you're not because I haven't assigned Asphodel's bodyguard.

I had bad reads one game.

That doesn't mean my reads are wrong here Dwlee. You're jumping on everything that moves here. Any wagon that isn't you.

[Titus]

RC says he'll be back on the 21st and he's a counterwagon suddenly.

Calling it now, Expedience is town.

[Titus]

Day 3 ends in

(expired on 2016-06-21 13:00:00)

do you see this? Did you know that coincidentally day ends on the 21st EXACTLY?!

Yeah and I have a hydra with RC. Stop attacking people's RL

[Titus]

I need the bodyguards to show up.

Thank you.

The VTs are all in a circle jerk of self-worship.

[Titus]

We're lynching one of RC and apricity today, titus. Deal with it.

No we aren't. You didn't push TTH hard. Nor did Zakk. Now you're pushing through lynches conftown doesn't want that did vote TTH.

[Titus]

RC says he'll be back on the 21st and he's a counterwagon suddenly.

Calling it now, Expedience is town.

RC has already been a counterwagon before he was at L-1.

Counterwagon to whom? Why is this relevant?

[Titus]

@Titus to Apri. I'm saying that because you're saying it like he's never been a counterwagon .

I need the bodyguards to show up.

Thank you.

The VTs are all in a circle jerk of self-worship.

I've considered that we may be stuck in groupthink from time to time, but don't you think a flip is more helpful here?

Not on my townreads. A flip isn't useful to me at all. A flip within my scumreads would be useful.

[Titus]

VOTE: TTH
I need to get off this site for the next day and a half, yell at me if you see me on.

VLA Until 6/6

Noted!

-- Postie

look at this.
Why do I put my vote on my scum partner and go vla if I'm scum. why

Bussing because if there wasn't scum on the TTH wagon, they'd be in a shit load of trouble. You just hopped on because you had to. Zakk's vote looks the same there. You're both in the bussing zone.

[Titus]

why the fuck are you townreading apricity and rc

Because they're town and actually not throwing a fit about people playing the game.

[Titus]

What case? RC hasn't been here due to RL. That's not a case.

I have cased you. You're jumping from wagon to wagon and are so far up Zakk (or he's so far up you). You're throwing a hissy fit that I won't go along with your preconceived notions that you've "solved the game". You haven't even articulated a single solid reason why RC or Apricity is scum. Not one.

You both were dragged to lynch TTH, and gave no reason. Zakk was tunnelling RC. RC, TTH and Aprcitiy cannot all be scum. Zakk hasn't solved the game at all. Neither of you have.

So I'm hearing from the bodyguards and other people. It's anti-town as fuck for you to crow that you've solved the game and not let anyone else do anything. I need people posting to read them.

[Titus]

A read changes.

That's not a case at all. You've shown that RC changed his read.

I'm waiting for a reason that RC is scum. You're just repeating god damn spam now.

I want to hear from

Everyone

[Titus]

Particularly, I want the As and Performer to agree on a lynch.

[Titus]

A read changes.

That's not a case at all. You've shown that RC changed his read.

I'm waiting for a reason that RC is scum. You're just repeating god damn spam now.

I want to hear from

Everyone

Reasons for RC to be scum:

1. no coherent strategy all game
2. wildly changing reads all game
3. very, VERY inactive compared to town games i've seen of his
4. tunneling stupidly on me, then being like "herp derp"
5. etc.

and i still wanna lynch Apricity more.

now you tell me why you think ANY of the things you think, besides "i'm conftown and i've contributed literally zero to the game but people should listen to me regardless of my handle on the game state"

have you read the game, even?

you ask all these questions, but can you scumhunt for yourself?

i have been 100% underwhelmed by you, everything about you

also, noted, postie. i'll tone down the

language

, but i'm not going to tone down "personal attacks" for

complete

ineptitude.

hope that's not bannable.
if you need (decide) to force replace me for having an opinion, i'll just chalk this game up to a win and move on. fine by mua. no skin off my back.

but titus you better step your game up or so help me i'm going to replace out and let you lose.

@Zakk, you're confirmation biasing everything and it's getting in the way of actually doing anything.

I get you're underwhelmed by me. You brought me here because of how smart you perceive me to be. I get your underwhelmed but everything you've done since I got here has been counter to me accomplishing what I need to do.

[Titus]

No. We aren't lynching Aprcity tomorrow.

You're going to take a long cold look in the mirror, or we're voting you out.

[Titus]

I have to be able to lynch scum, and you're just making so much noise where that cannot happen.

[Titus]

@Zakk, I would if I had any confidence in you actually interpreting the results correctly. But as you said, you're too self-absorbed this game to actually care about that.

@Dwlee, whoever the VC that's left that's not you or Zakk.

[Titus]

It wouldn't be an awful idea to go straight to Expedience either.

That one I disagree with.

Dwlee Zakk is where I am voting tomorrow unless you're scum (but I doubt it).

[Titus]

Tell me what you think RC? Zakk is a policy lynch only BC the frustration feels genuine but town just cannot function with him here.

[Titus]

Or Titus's slot's fault at least for the first time

How magical would it have been if Titus came into the game and actually made sense and listened to the people who were already here

Listened to the people who invited her to the game

Read the posts that they linked to, and played along with the very elaborate plan they had put together in order to make it very VERY difficult for town to lose

I feel like Kush mountains is rolling over in his grave

He died bodyguarding fourtrouble for absolutely nothing

And Titus hasn't even stop to think about the fact that scum left her alive last night because she was so completely off track

I did listen to the people pushing TTH because I agreed with the reason.

Just because you invited me, doesn't make you right. You wanted RC, who is town.

Scum may have left me alive to not burn themselves or because they cannot.

[Titus]

Also, we would have had a weak bodyguard that shut the fuck up and followed the plan and we would have two town clears right now

No I would likely be dead.

Can you

please for the love of goodness shut up?

.

[Titus]

BG scum is between BNL/Expedience.

I believe Titus has an ironclad townread on Performer. I will sheep it.

That leaves that VT scum is between Dwlee and Apricity.

So, ehh. I think it's actually better to lynch in Dwlee/Apri here.

I don't have an ironclad read anywhere.

[Titus]

Cool story bro

Also

I'm down with lynching expedience tomorrow

So do you think Titus should use her action? Or do you think her wasting the ability to confirm townies is a great idea that she should continue doing forever and ever

Risk is too great for death with ZERO info obtained.

[Titus]

I'll do some ISOs. Hopefully Postie goes online on Skype before she locks.

Risk is too great for death with ZERO info obtained.

*hugs*

Hug. I know. You tried. I tried too. Btw, yesterday's correct answer was Dwlee.

[Titus]

Honestly if everyone is going to hate me for thing game and trying to get the lynches I want I will replace out and hope we can all forget this game ever happened, It isnt worth losing friends over. I dont want to force postie to find a replacement though so can we all be civil and stop threatening to blacklist people?
pedit Yes I helped scum lynch town by you being my second hardest scum read (hey did you know that HAS to be someone logically??) and not voting you.

I am not going to hate you, regardless of your alignment. If you're town, can you do me a favor tomorrow and be quiet so others can talk?

[Titus]

God, the whiny melodrama with you two is insane.

[Titus]

That is possible. How about we investigate the possibility tomorrow in a calmed reasoned manner, where I am at my best?

[Titus]

I think he made Aspodel Aprcity mistake I did.

[Titus]

You see, this theory of exp being the goon makes zero sense. The BG claimer should be the traitor as BG is the best way not o be shot by your own team.

[Titus]

Great we're here.

Expedience still hasn't killed me and no BG deaths.

Aprcity, reads?

[Titus]

I don't feel Zakk was right there. I feel you're town though Performer. Zakk screamed just as loud on RC.

Why should I feel it's not Dwlee?

[Titus]

@Performer, I think it's Dwlee but don't unvote Aprcity on my account. I want to interact with him.

[Titus]

So in the first one we have expedience voting rc alone and then in the second one he is doing a similar thing to me so I think expedience is scum trying to stay off of major wagons for some reason.
TTH has her vote parked on performer, probably means that performer is town because scum like vote parking town.
Rc was the apricity counterwagon so there is that as well.

Yeah and it was pushed by the same exact people...

[Titus]

VOTE: Aprcity

Pretty clear zero scumhunting will happen by anyone but Performer will happen before this flip. Let's flip him so we can show Zakk how wrong he was again.

BG Assignments

Expedience Me
Asphodel BnL (if Aprcity town), Dwlee (if Aprcity scum)
BnL Performer

[Titus]

Spoiler: off topic at Titus

Titus, thank you for suggesting someone protect me in this game. I don't know until post game if someone really did, but I never had anyone care to think I should be protected in my 25+ various games I played on FM. Sometimes, it's the thought that counts and in this case, it means a lot to me. Thank you .

You're welcome.

[Titus]

Okay what is this. Perf, I don't lie about irl situations. Also Dwlee ignoring that the me/RC wagons were pushed by the same people and calling me scum regardless is pinging me.

But Expe voting Dwlee is odd. I'd almost rather vote Expe rn actually, optimal or not.

you're scum because performer is town, just because one piece of evidence doesn't line up doesn't make you town m9

Why is performer town?

Thoughts on BGs? If Exp is town?

[Titus]

We're going with my assignments as they are.

[Titus]

VOTE: Aprcity

Pretty clear zero scumhunting will happen by anyone but Performer will happen before this flip. Let's flip him so we can show Zakk how wrong he was again.

BG Assignments

Expedience Me
Asphodel BnL (if Aprcity town), Dwlee (if Aprcity scum)
BnL Performer

Putting two bgs on the vts is stupid. You only need one on the vts to prevent scum from killing in the pool lol

This is absolutely the smart pool. I want to leave you wide open Dwlee.

[Titus]

And you might have just scumslipped Dwlee.

[Titus]

VOTE: Dwlee

Why are you supposing Aprcity flips town in your analysis?

[Titus]

VOTE: Aprcity

Pretty clear zero scumhunting will happen by anyone but Performer will happen before this flip. Let's flip him so we can show Zakk how wrong he was again.

BG Assignments

Expedience Me
Asphodel BnL (if Aprcity town), Dwlee (if Aprcity scum)
BnL Performer

Putting two bgs on the vts is stupid. You only need one on the vts to prevent scum from killing in the pool lol

Yup. This post right here.

If Aprcity flips scum, VTs on bgs is ideal.

Yet you think that's dumb. Hahaha.

[Titus]

VOTE: Dwlee

What is our BG plan seriously? I saw like 3 different proposals.

2525.

Dwlee and Aprcity can change based on who we lynch.

BnL gets slotted as town.

No weak BG n1. The guy never did it.

[Titus]

Expedience is staying on me.
BnL on performer.
Asphodel is on you/Aprcity if scum flip.
BnL if town flip.

For all your game winning talk, your reads are shit and you are noise.

Those are non negotiable.

[Titus]

Yeah, RC was scum amirite?

[Titus]

Im *this* close to self voting so titus will actually lynch fucking scum

DAMN IT

My problem is the tantrums you and Zakk are throwing.

I haven't analyzed a damn thing you've said all day because of them.

[Titus]

UNVOTE:

Now, without the emotion conclusions or insulting me, tell me WHY your plan is better. Just walk through it. Just the facts.

[Titus]

Ok, that makes sense.

VOTE: Aprcity

[Titus]

Yes.

[Titus]

Gg. Sorry for driving you up a wall Zakk and Dwlee but I had it under control.