Mini 1805 [C'est fini!]

[NJAC]

Hi there. Confirming role PM receipt. Will read in a while.

Anyone has anything they want me to read ASAP?

[NJAC]

@Egg and @DGB:

Why are you voting me?

[NJAC]

I'm not sure who the third mafioso could be, but I'm pretty sure on {DGB, NJAC}.

Pretty sure? What's your case on DGB that makes you "pretty sure" he's scum?

[NJAC]

Busy on weekends. Will post tomorrow.

[NJAC]

So, I'm trying to finish reading the 60+ pages, and I see Titus refuse to read the game. Some thoughts come to my mind:

1) Who doesn't need to read the game to solve it? Scum does, because they already know who is scum and town.

2) Why would a scum replacing in need to read a 60+ pages game when they have daytalk?

[NJAC]

It's annoying, but I don't really think it's a scumtell. She's just being lazy/wants to scumhunt based on interactions (if she's town).

What was your read on atm?

[NJAC]

I actually read more as scum than I do town. :-p Like 90% of my games I refuse to read garbage.

Why do you think scum have daytalk? I didn't see any indication of that.

Meh, daytalk is mentioned in the OP. Also self meta is almost useless so your first sentence says nothing about your alignment.

You're either scum or lazy/careless town, so you deserve my vote:

VOTE: Titus

Why do you call "garbage" to all that has happened in the game until this point?

[NJAC]

Null leaning town

Where are you in your catchup and what are your thoughts?

Anything specific that made you read him leaning town?

I was busier than expected yesterday so I couldn't read far from page 17. I'll try to finish reading today. Until that page I'm suspecting Smithereens' slot and maybe atm.

[NJAC]

VOTE: Njac

If you thought Day 1 had importance, you could actually show me where. You would have some semblence of a scumread beyond Titus isn't playing like I do. You would have scumhunting in your ISO.

Day 1 is garbage until we get a scum flip. Then it's gold, provided no weird vote fucking.

Your absolute refusal to have read the thread shows either that you agree with me on D1 being garbage (thus your vote is bad, and highly scum indicative), you copied my lack of desire to read (hypocritical vote at best, likely scumflail), or disingenuous poking designed to avoid scumhunting (scummy).

Why don't your actions match your words?

I haven't finished reading, but I do think it's necessary to read the whole game to form better reads.

You apparently prefer to base your reads on interactions, and given that I'm reading your predecessor as null leaning scum, I want to get more from you.


P-Edit: @Titus: wrt your slot or smith's slot?

[NJAC]

Both slots.

If it's necessary to read the whole game, why did you randomly throw shade on two biggest obvtown posters here? You're acknowledging that players like interactions, yet that style you argue is anti-town.

WRT atm: kinda fencesitting on some things going on during D1, lack of contribution, his vote in 262 for eggman feels ungenuine and opportunistic (here I'm assuming egg is actually a lynchbait). Not a strong read but enough to read him leaning scum more than town.

WRT Smithereens: basically what was said during the beginning of D1 that scum would support a strong player like rob instead of attacking him. His interactions with Creature about the egg crumb doesn't convince me. Again not a strong read.

I'm not randomly throwing shade on two players (which two are you referring to, BTW?), I'm just trying to interact with the currently active players. I also want to understand how you are supposed to scumhunt without reading the past pages. And I'm voting you because I'm scum-reading your slot, due to what your predecessor did and your current attitude of not reading.

I just try to keep the game moving as I finish catching up, of course my reads can change but it's worth to put some pressure meanwhile.

[NJAC]

Naked votes are scummy.

[NJAC]

Also I think egg town slipped and I don't think it was a "fake" town slip so while I still question why he felt the need to crumb vt, I feel he's probably town.

Does anyone know what townslip was Rob referring to in this post?

[NJAC]

Nvm, I already saw it, but not sure that was a townslip.

[NJAC]

That said I don't like smithereens' or atm's jumps on.

This.

[NJAC]

Let me elaborate.

NJAC's original post pinged my gut, hence the naked vote. I wanted to see his reaction. He didn't ask why or try to get my thought process, he simply said "naked votes are scummy" which doesn't really have a purpose aside from throwing shade without committing to anything.

So yeah, this slot is scum.

Ok. Let me get into your game:

Why did you vote me? What was your thought process here?

[NJAC]

What was wrong with my first post (is that you're referring to, right?)

[NJAC]

They're genuine, but I'm obviously not commited to them because I still need to finish reading.

[NJAC]

Both slots.

If it's necessary to read the whole game, why did you randomly throw shade on two biggest obvtown posters here? You're acknowledging that players like interactions, yet that style you argue is anti-town.

@Titus: Which two "obvtown posters" were you referring to in this post?

[NJAC]

Nvm, I already saw it, but not sure that was a townslip.

(I don't see it myself, as evidenced by that one post I made. Where?)

You had asked this to Rob and he answered you at that moment in 578. Again, I'm not sure it can be considered a townslip, but you crumbing VT seems genuine, so I'm townreading you until what I have read (page 29).

Titus: You probably already answered this question, but why wouldn't you need to read the game as town..? Gains points for trying to catch NJAC with a possible scumslip.

What "scumslip" are you talking about? Are you reading the game?

NJAC: not sure I have stuff to say about this slot, so let me bring up the fact once more that both NJAC and Titus had extremely similar OPs.

What the similar OPs say to you about my alignment?

[NJAC]

Empty posts and text smileys are scummy.

[NJAC]

Well, I suppose you mean Smith/DGB slot.

Why exactly is DGB an obvtown poster according to you? Does posting "sarcastic, moderately aggressive but not antitown" make DGB obvtown? I don't buy that.

Also:

1) I haven't randomly threw shade on DGB, as you said. I just gave my thoughts according to what I had read, as requested by Infinity.

2) I never said interactions are anti-town, you misrepped me. Interactions are obviously necessary to scumhunt. I said you're lazy/careless town (if in fact you're town) for not reading.

Your attempt to buddy DGB calling her an obvtown poster is noted, BTW.

My vote remains on you.

[NJAC]

So, how does your scumhunting go @Titus? Who's scum and why?

[NJAC]

Ok Titus v NJAC isn't SvS. (unless one of them is SK I guess)

Pretty sure it's just titus town NJAC scum

And why is that?

[NJAC]

All of what you said: Why do you think it isn't SvS?, why unless one of us is SK?, Why Titus town, me scum?

[NJAC]

Mmmmk, if you actually think I'm scum, why aren't you pushing my wagon?

P-Edit: I agree with the shitty reads based off of meta.

[NJAC]

@Infinity: What are your other scumreads ATM?

P-Edit: you have some questions to answer egg.

[NJAC]

@NJAC:

...alright, where are they?

Could you please read the game? They're here: 1681

[NJAC]

Dragon is my only other scumread atm.

You didn't answer my question about why you wanted me to explain everything in my other post

To understand your train of thoughts.

[NJAC]

My apologies. I was looking for questions on the current page, and I found none.

Titus: You probably already answered this question, but why wouldn't you need to read the game as town..? Gains points for trying to catch NJAC with a possible scumslip.

What "scumslip" are you talking about? Are you reading the game?

Daytalk is enabled.

Hmm...genuine or fake townslip?

The question is why you didn't call out NJAC for a scumslip there.

Because I needed his response to determine if it was a scumslip or not. Thanks a lot.

NJAC: not sure I have stuff to say about this slot, so let me bring up the fact once more that both NJAC and Titus had extremely similar OPs.

What the similar OPs say to you about my alignment?

NAI, at least without Titus' flip. If either Titus or NJAC flips town, it's just a weird coincidence. If one flips mafioso, it's reason for suspicion on the other, since it stands to reason Smithereens or MM4 could have left a message to their replacement in the PT along the lines of what the OP was.

1) There's ABSOLUTELY NO SCUMSLIP. I repeat what I already said (and that's why I asked you if you were indeed reading the game): Daytalk is mentioned in the very first post of this thread. In fact it has been mentioned throughout the game several times.

Titus gains no town point for supposedly trying to catch me with a possible scumslip, as you said, it's more likely that she faked a townslip there. I mean scum would be more careful about mentioning daytalk. And scumTitus could try to fake that she didn't know about it.

2) Look: I literally copied, pasted and made minor changes to the first post of Titus. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with our alignments. Scum wouldn't be that blatantly obvious. If something my entrance copying Titus is "akward" as Infinity said, but not AI.

[NJAC]

Titus is town

Another shitty read based off of meta

[NJAC]

Titus is town

Another shitty read based off of meta

Didn't say anything about meta did I

Ok. Why is she town?

[NJAC]

@NJAC

Are you still catching up?

Yes sir. Hopefully I'll finish catching up tomorrow.

[NJAC]

I preferred MarioManiac4's Day One play to NJAC's play

Why is that?

[NJAC]

Yeah this is pretty stupid. I'd prefer it if NJAC came back and dumped his thoughts on the game before we lynch him, but I wouldn't wait too long for it.

I'll hammer if this goes on for another day or so, this is incredibly boring and I don't care much for the slot anyways.

Working on it. Just wait a little longer. I'll finish reading today.

Meanwhile, have you realized that none of the voters of my wagon has a real case against me?

See as an example DGB's reason for voting me:

@Egg and @DGB:

Why are you voting me?

Because you're my buddy and I am bus'ing you.

Almost as good as her reason for calling Titus town:

Her way of playing and thinking are from a town mindset. It's hard for me to put into words. It's the way she is approaching the game's events. She's town.

[NJAC]

Also, what's with the constant complaining about how boring the game is? Those who are complaining could try o generate some content instead of just complaining. Just saying.

[NJAC]

One more thing: most people on my wagon are not trying to figure out my alignment, but rather pushing for a mislynch. Obviously there's at least one or two scum on it.

[NJAC]

Yeah, still think NJAC is scum. I don't like his woah is me posts. No one will think a case on them is good.

What do you mean by "woah is me posts"?

[NJAC]

Ok, you´re right. His play seemed to be better than what I've done. I've found it a little harder than expected to keep my promise of catching up . Still working on it.

[NJAC]

Ok. Reached page 40 yesterday. Deadline is getting closer. I'll try to finish reading today later or tomorrow.

For what I've read I find Creature's slot town, same for Infinity and Eggman. Null leaning town on Derek and Dragon. Null Fox. I like what I've read from PJ's on D1 and recently so he's one of my biggest townreads.

That leaves Smith/DGB and atm/Titus' slots as my scumreads.

I find PJ is a very competent/experienced pro-town player, so I'll just sheep him for now:

VOTE: DGB

[NJAC]

Maybe reconsidering Derek as just null.

[NJAC]

I mean, I agree with this about Derek:

"Staying on the sidelines and not engaging with people" pretty much sums up my suspicions on derek, he doesn't seem to be trying to figure stuff out or actively pushing his scumreads.

[NJAC]

DGB looks town to me

Why exactly is that?

[NJAC]

Just skimmed some earlier pages to find PJ's case on DGB.

@Infinity: what do you think about this:

Except you just acted like you had previously read and had thoughts on Post #1282, which was on page 52 of the game and literally a page before crazycrabman was lynched.

Yeah... when I read that I thought they were scum together... but he flipped town.

There are so many small issues with your posts since replacement it is almost difficult to parse it out.

->

a.)

It is not believable you joined the game and did not realize crazycrabman was lynched Day One. It strikes me as deliberately "look how crazy I am, I'm DrippingGoofball!"
->

b.)

In the same vein, your first two posts are completely at odds (you called Creature Town but then generalized that players "hunting for SK" are scum, when Creature was pretty much the only player who was actively making theories about who the SK could be).
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b.)

Your "placeholder" scumreads as of "Page 10" are not very believable because many of the players in your "MKAY" and "SCUM" had a comparable amount of posts -- that is to say, hardly any.
->

d.)

After you voted for MarioManiac4, Creature pointed out a concern as to why MarioManiac4 might be Town. In response, you said that quote made you think MarioManiac4 might be scum with crazycrabman. Which -- beyond the fact that this suggests you have read that far into the game -- is rather a non sequitur given that crazycrabman has flipped Town. It does not address at all whether MarioManiac4 would still be scum in the event crazycrabman is Town. Essentially, you said nothing while dismissing a potential reason for thinking MarioManiac4 might be Town.

You are acting purposefully obtuse.

So what all have you

actually

read, then?

[NJAC]

DGB and creature are looking quite town in the last few pages.

Uh! You posted this after that, and I strongly disagree that DGB looked "quite town" with her supposed refusal to read and derp posting .

Yeah, my vote stays on her.

[NJAC]

Have to go. Will continue reading later.

[NJAC]

Make your mind scumDGB, you called me town a few pages ago, now you're calling me scum .

What are your current reads?

[NJAC]

Ok. When I flip town lynch DGB and Titus.

Good luck town!

[NJAC]

Also Derek is leaning scum.

[NJAC]

Ok. When I flip town lynch DGB and Titus.

Good luck town!

Where is your claim

Read the game.

Or w/e, my wagoners are people who don't care to read so w/e.

[NJAC]

I mean, my predecessor already claimed .

I'm Vt, catching up after forum was down.

[NJAC]

Seriously, why do people sub in in a game if they don't even care to read it?

And why am I going to be lynched? Because no other wagon is gaining traction?

There's no case on me. I've at least read most of the game and skimmed some recent pages. That's more than what DGB and Titus have done. Not to mention Shiro, but I understand her vote on me is for self-preservation.

[NJAC]

DGB is fine with my lynch without even reading my predecessor's ISO (otherwise she would have found the claim). How is that a townie move?

Titus hasn't even tried to find out my alignment. She just OMGUS voted me.

This is blatant scum play. Town deserves to lose if this behavior is not punished.

[NJAC]

[NJAC]

Coming up

I have 2 games lined up for the near future. This will be after my holiday, in September. I plan to do a micro first, though I have to develop it further first, and after that I'll do my first mini theme, which is practically ready, and has been reviewed by Ircher.

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Pre-in me for these, please.

[NJAC]

So, where's the scum PT?