Mini Normal 1827 - No Flavor Mafia (Game Over)

[Blitzkrieg]

Hi first game post. I want to party. Who is cool?

[Blitzkrieg]

I've decided to obvious town this game because I feel like it, meaning I'm going to destroy any of you who are scum. I apologize, but this is now a no-fun zone. RVS will be allowed within the first two pages, and then you'll be eliminated.

I know not of this human movie taken, but it sounds like a god-tier movie.

I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you are looking for ransom, I can tell you I don't have money. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills, skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you the town go now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.

VOTE: killthestory

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Hmm jordarrian and naomi are null-scum leaning but it's too early to pin them down, naomi more for the subtle white knighting and buddying than for 48. Would say the same of vedith but I know from experience he's a scummy scumbag even as town but IGMEOY

What are you doing to pin them down? Or do you like to be submissive and pinned down?

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BS'd list of reads so far

{KTS}
{Naomi}
{Jord, BlackStar}
{massive, pistachi0n, Skelda}
{Io}
{Vedith, light, Creature}
{xyzzy}

{Blitzkrieg}
{Transcend}
{KTS, Naomi}

{Most everyone else}
{light}
{Jordan}

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Yh you guys all look town from this

There are scum in jordarrian vedith + creature. Maybe blackstar too

I want to lynch light, Jordan and BlackStar based on this.

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Apparently I can't go to sleep after making 4 posts without being accused of being lazy and doing nothing.

The fact Io hasn't voted anyone isn't scummy.

VOTE: Io happy?
I couldn't really care much less about RVS. I participate if someone actually looks overtly scummy, but most times I just don't care to do it.

I like you,. I call you Sparky.

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I'm not in a neighborhood

Where did this come from?

VOTE: BlackStar

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@ Transcend why is xyzzy scum (other than 'posts don't seem genuine') because I just don't see it

White knight alert

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is rolefishing a neighborhood scummy? like they can be either alignment so...?

Who all is in this hood?

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VOTE: Light
That post I mentioned earlier just doesn't quite sit right with me.

Which post do you mean here? Because if it's 140 that was literally me saying I townread the three of KTS Naomi and Transcend based on the previous conversation?

Like that suggests you think I should be scumreading one of them, which in turn suggests you have information we as town don't have

Explain.

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You get the hilarious scum award. You get to be lynched last.

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massive you have received an invitation to become powertown with me.

don't let my sig deceive you i act as powertown as both alignments.

it is up to your judgment to decide if you want to powertown this game with me, as our reads are nearly paralleled.

Please mark one:

[] Yes
[] No
[] Maybe
[] Applesauce

Your reads need work.

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Yh you guys all look town from this

There are scum in jordarrian vedith + creature. Maybe blackstar too

I want to lynch light, Jordan and BlackStar based on this.

Yup, Light, Seraphim, BlackStar

VOTE: Seraphim

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Yh you guys all look town from this

There are scum in jordarrian vedith + creature. Maybe blackstar too

I want to lynch light, Jordan and BlackStar based on this.

@Blitzkrieg: Please explain how the fuck you made this conclusion based on this post alone.

Also in your reads list you have Jordan at the bottom, but in your catch up you made ZERO posts to support Jordan!Scum. You made posts to support light and BlackStar scum.

Your vote looks incredibly fake here.

Lol, looks fake.

General rule, if scum make a lynch list, there's usually a buddy if there's three or more people. Vedith and Creature are townie. That leaves Light and BlackStar.

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Sweet jesus is this really what we're doing? Why aren't we lynching xyzzy instead?

xyzzy is town.

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Also I think Vedith is probably town. (Congrats Naomi u won the game!)

I'll give explanations to this updated reads list later but for now I sleep.

{Naomi}
{BlackStar, Creature}
{KTS, massive, Vedith, Io}
{Skelda, Seraphim}
{light}
{Blitz, xyzzy}

Much better.

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Jordarrian.

T O P K E K

Jordarrian

Someone got a guilty on you.

Nice try, I read the thread.

Town don't respond with "I read the thread" to a guilty.

VOTE: Jordarrian

VOTE: jordarrian

VOTE: Jordarrian

I love how this entire wagon just happened with no question whatsoever

Town intrinsically know that. BlackStar bussing.

dude Jordarrian is p obv scum we should be voting him.

Yeah, nice one. I heard about your mindless quickhammer techniques.

The fuck are you going on about?

Don't you love to quickhammer in ms?

Kinda wanna lynch Naomi they're annoying

ಠ_ಠ

Deflection to lynch town for being annoying.

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Also I think Vedith is probably town. (Congrats Naomi u won the game!)

I'll give explanations to this updated reads list later but for now I sleep.

{Naomi}
{BlackStar, Creature}
{KTS, massive, Vedith, Io}
{Skelda, Seraphim}
{light}
{Blitz, xyzzy}

Much better.

Much better?

You and your town read in the bottom tier? ...better?

I misread me and BlackStar.

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Ok... sure...

But your logic for light!scum or black!scum was a lot heavier than sera!scum. The bw you hopped on tilts me a bit because

1. Your sr on sera is based on one measly post that his predecessor didn't say anything for.
2. Your vote on sera was after my vote which was a meatless joke vote. There was genuine momentum on Blackstar led by someone you tr, or you could've started a light bw. The vote you acquiesced to seems fishy.

I just vote whichever of the three has more votes after a catchup. I will try to push a wagon if no one is voting scum.

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Creature, you are frustrating me.

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Then why are you not voting Jordan? Post tags help.

VOTE: light

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Are you DGB?

Alts are alts for a reason, but I am incredibly flattered you would ask that.

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All of blitzkrieg's posts are terrible, but I actually believe that she believes what she's saying

Why are all my posts terrible but I am town?

Need my conclusions to be wrong but afraid to start that wagon.

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Ok, now this is just getting insulting. I sub into a dead game, revive it, call the scumteam, try to support you rather than beat you over the head and you insist on trying to drive a car into a brick wall while claiming I do that.

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All of blitzkrieg's posts are terrible, but I actually believe that she believes what she's saying

Why are all my posts terrible but I am town?

Need my conclusions to be wrong but afraid to start that wagon.

They're terrible because they're 100% wrong. I know I'm town, so from my perspective your posts seem stupid. But it doesn't feel like you're bullshiting. You're just tunneling and conf biasing for some reason.

I would love a reads list from you.

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Sweet jesus is this really what we're doing? Why aren't we lynching xyzzy instead?

xyzzy is town.

Look, if we're going to just throw around statements to be accepted as fact without any proof, I will see your "xyzzy is town" and raise you one "massive is one hot piece of man candy."

I call. Enjoy being a hot piece of man candy.

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Still think BlackStar is pretty much town.

He can be lynched last.

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Why is that game linked?

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So, your opinion is that meta somehow clears BlackStar?

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Take out BlackStar and Seraphim and I am cool with that block.

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We'd be at Naomi, Transcend, you, me, xyzzy. That's 5. I could add massive but getting this many people to work together is hard.

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We'd be at Naomi, Transcend, you, me, xyzzy. That's 5. I could add massive but getting this many people to work together is hard.

Forgot KTS. He should be in.

Well there is another alt down the drain. I suck at alting.

Please delete the SM post mod.

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Future games...

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I had to because of alt rules.

This will be evidence I hope no one goes looking for.

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Creature, that is not funny. I have a client fighting for his life at the moment.

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Putting light scum to l minus 1?

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@Vedith, do it.

@BlackStar, You forgot the bold.

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Because light is scum? You need a better one?

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OK, where's the scumhunting?

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@BlackStar, Why didn't you wait for a claim?

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Did this thread breed while I was asleep or something

ATM readslist:

Town - KTS, Naomi, Transcend, Xyzzy,

maybe

Io, Pistachi0n
Scum - Creature, vedith
Dunno - jordarrian, blackstar

Yh you guys all look town from this

There are scum in jordarrian vedith + creature. Maybe blackstar too

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Now, what did you learn from your first newbie game regarding claiming?

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Yup. Pretty much. Haven't seen a town dayvig in these parts in ages.

And the scum are going to try and swing Vedith together. How cute.

VOTE: Seraphim

Vedith can I have sheeps?

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As long as we're voting one of the two, I am happy.

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Full vigs must be town. Dayvigs are almost always scum. *shrug*

We can lynch Seraphim then BlackStar. It's no matter.

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That's full vigs. I am aware of the optics. I happen not to give two shits.

We will go through your buddy first, unless you think Sera is town?

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Don't listen to Blitz or Vedith, that was an excellent shot. He was going to get lynched and now we get a second lynch which, if I have anything to say about it, will be Vedith who should probably be strung because of his reaction to the dayvig alone, forget about the rest of his play.

P-Edit: BlackStar is not scum holy shit. Scum dayvig + daytalk??? Especially given current site meta? There is no way, shape, or form in which that is balanced. If I was scum-Vedith I would be pretty pissed too, probably scrambling to figure something out in the PT.

Light should have been forced to claim before being shot.

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Told you BlackStar was town.

And you're still wrong.

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And you're still wrong.

Nope, sadly he can't be wrong.

Roles which are explicitly Normal for Mafia only include:
Mafia Goon, Encryptor, Ninja, Strongman, Traitor, any roles listed as "for any alignment"

Right. Mod is allowed 1 abnormal role. As long as Black star isn't a full powered every night vig, he can be scum.

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That's full vigs. I am aware of the optics. I happen not to give two shits.

We will go through your buddy first, unless you think Sera is town?

Members of the town don't have any buddies lol. Who did seraphim replace?

Your scumbuddy Jordan.

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You're embarrassing yourself, Titus. And no, I didn't town read jord

Do you now?

I am not embarrassing myself. You and I both know that I explained the function of claiming to you.

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Creature, just vote Seraphim. Then tomorrow we can hash it out over BlackStar.

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You're embarrassing yourself, Titus. And no, I didn't town read jord

Do you now?

I am not embarrassing myself. You and I both know that I explained the function of claiming to you.

I'm talking about you still believing that I'm scum. You're probably right that I should've asked for a claim, but he was scum in the end so who cares that I didn't? He might've claimed a pr and then the wagon would've collapsed and I wouldn't have risked shooting him

You and I both know that you let them claim for setup information. Their choice in claim tells us the setup.

The fact you didn't while you barely displayed a scumread is pretty solid evidence you shot for towncred.

@Creature, TY

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light_ganski
massive
Vedith
pistachi0n

Would easily wagon any of these

I can understand why you said light and Vedith, but not the other two. Can you explain your reads?

I don't know. If you are town and scum was trying to push you as fast as they could it would likely be light or black that would be the scum on that wagon.
Light just doesn't have a lot in terms of reason for voting you. Plus their comment in post 140 is a slight scumtell as scum do usually have a harder time scum reading people when they know everyone is not scum.
Black is mainly suspicious for pushing you to L-1 ad not pointing it out. That wouldn't be a hard scum quicklynch to pull off with one person voting and not saying it is L-1 and another scum to come in and vote a little later claiming they didn't realize they were at L-1 and they thought Creature was at L-2, but that isn't too likely as that means 2 scum would have to be online and not currently voting creature to devise a plan to do that.

That would be really suspicious though. It wouldn't make sense to take unnecessary risks like that and bring attention to yourself

Vote Count 1.4

Creature (4): xyzzy, light_ganski, Naomi-Tan, BlackStar
BlackStar (2): Vedith, pistachi0n
Vedith (2): Creature, Transcend
Jordarrian (1): killthestory
killthestory (1): Skelda
light_ganski (1): Io

Not Voting (2): massive, Jordarrian

With 13 votes it takes 7 to lynch

Day ends in (expired on 2016-09-09 11:30:00)


General reminder to try to avoid talking about ongoing games

VOTE: light

Thanks Trans

Blackstar us just obvious scum. If you ask if he's scum I Ber he says no... just like scum would.
Light I don't have a scum read on... where are you getting this information? From Blackstar in your PT?

Why is Blackstar not scum for you?

It sounds like you're trolling lol.

I didn't lie. Cut the crap please.

p-edit: You mentioned light and then right after that you said "Did blackstar tell you that in your pt?" It sounded like you were saying that we were scum together and I said something in the scum pt

Not trading properly isn't scummy. It's a mistake anyone can make. You insisting that only scum can do it is much scummier. I did comment on it. I said it was dumb. Oh, you didn't read properly so by your logic that means you're scum lol.

But it's not just that 1 comment you haven't read, it's my comments in general.
I stated twice that I wasn't scum reading Light before hand. So you are telling me that you refusing to notice peoples reads isn't scummy? You trying to make it look like I'm scum reading someone else isn't scummy?

That's not a comment to it. When you said I said Light, you got defensive, when I said Trans, you didn't get defensive.
You questioned me on Light and didn't actually post anything from Trans (correct, posting, that's dumb isn't counted)

I didn't "refuse to notice". I just didn't notice. I didn't try to make it look like you were scum reading him, I thought you were because of the wording of your post. I didn't get defensive man. I said that you were trolling and pointed out stuff you said that look like troll posts. Then you were like "when did I say light was scum?" and I pointed out where it looked like you'd said that. Your points are weak as hell

I didn't even question you about light lol. I just responded to your questions about why I thought you scumread him

Yh you guys all look town from this

There are scum in jordarrian vedith + creature. Maybe blackstar too

I want to lynch light, Jordan and BlackStar based on this.

Yup, Light, Seraphim, BlackStar

VOTE: Seraphim

Why do you believe that?

VOTE: Blitzkrieg

$10 says it's a banned user.

You can make alts when you're banned?

All of blitzkrieg's posts are terrible, but I actually believe that she believes what she's saying

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That's barely displaying a scumread on Light. Yet you shoot them.

You go out of your way to paint me as terrible but town. When Seraphim flips scum will you just resign?

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Men, Chumba was defacto scum member. I actually was reevaluating. They weren't. Don't misrep the longest game on MS to attack my credibility rather than answering questions.

You didn't express even once why you thought Light was scum, and you shot them.
You know why we draw claims out, yet you didn't bother.
You are refusing to vote Sera or defend them.

You should resign because the game is over.

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Abnormal roles tend to be roles with some cool new abilities that aren't bastard.

Scum dayvig isn't bastard.

Men in my last post should be meh.

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@Creature, What are you doing? Stop voting with scum please.

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@Blackstar, Every post since the flip. I am calling you out now. Vote Sera or say why not.

Chumba was not obvtown. Your style is not naked votes and lack of communication as town. Please don't make things up. I have been watching you. I am proud of you but if you think no communication is your style, you are wrong.

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1) If I could explain why miscommunication happens, I would not be victim to it.
2)Because this wall is whining and not sorting.
3) play style.
4) in this game, because you're scum.
5) Vedith is confirmed town lol. I don't need to case Sera. They slipped back on Day 1 ish. Like less than 50 posts in. No one casing light didn't stop you from shooting Light.

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Hmm jordarrian and naomi are null-scum leaning but it's too early to pin them down, naomi more for the subtle white knighting and buddying than for 48. Would say the same of vedith but I know from experience he's a scummy scumbag even as town but IGMEOY

What are you doing to pin them down? Or do you like to be submissive and pinned down?

Yh you guys all look town from this

There are scum in jordarrian vedith + creature. Maybe blackstar too

I want to lynch light, Jordan and BlackStar based on this.

Jordarrian.

T O P K E K

Jordarrian

Someone got a guilty on you.

Nice try, I read the thread.

Town don't respond with "I read the thread" to a guilty.

VOTE: Jordarrian

VOTE: jordarrian

VOTE: Jordarrian

I love how this entire wagon just happened with no question whatsoever

Town intrinsically know that. BlackStar bussing.

dude Jordarrian is p obv scum we should be voting him.

Yeah, nice one. I heard about your mindless quickhammer techniques.

The fuck are you going on about?

Don't you love to quickhammer in ms?

Kinda wanna lynch Naomi they're annoying

ಠ_ಠ

Deflection to lynch town for being annoying.

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You're never wrong?

Sheep me til I am. If I am wrong, I will sheep you.

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@BlackStar, His reaction and the terribad push on him by scum.

Sera's slip is Jordan's response to the guilty (fake) on him.

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Sera is at L minus 2

Blitzkrieg, Vedith, Creature, BlackStar

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Sera's push and yours are basically unexplained hot air ignoring anything that happened in thread.

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I responded to your post because it was fairly tinfoil which seems to be a common theme in this game thus far.

Xyzzy perhaps has been distancing from Vedith but I don't see anything in her iso that looks like a bus. The few times Vedith's name is mentioned it is always buried in a text wall. With light, you are correct about his push; I had forgotten (and apparently the mod forgot too) that light changed his vote over. I am still not convinced though, given this quote:

There are scum in jordarrian vedith + creature. Maybe blackstar too

from Light early on. From my PoV, I am town, Creature is town, and BlackStar is town and I am not willing to believe quite yet that the classic "slip a scumbuddy in your readslist" tell is not still in effect. Hence, Vedith must be the buddy he is distancing here.

And you didn't answer my question: who defended Light? You seemed to think the consensus on Vedith-scum was near unanimous while the Light-scum wagon was frought. Also, since in your last post you seem to think there was no way that Light was being left alone? Who do you think did bus Light?

No one defended light because scum decided to mislead us by shooting a buddy more likely than not.

Oh and you are indeed scum.

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Io, that theory is bullshit. Why? Primarily because it revolves around the idea that my predecessor received the same coaching I did which he seems to have ignored. He voted for no one and pushed no onr. His play was atrocious. He was also new. I doubt theoretical scum buddies would have let him play like that especially as an elaborate bussing procedure.

Also light and xyzzy are pushing Creature??? not Vedith??? (Sorry I can't check ISOs on my phone, so I can't say for sure while I am writing this post their status vis a vie Vedith

The reason I mentioned KTS and not xyzzy is because KTS is voting me which is why I noticed it looking at the votecount which caused me to go back and look into why that might be the case. And it's because he was voting my predecessor. Whom he voted at the beginning of the game.

Finally, where is the disagreement with Light that you imagine materializing? Your view of events is completely different than the way the game is. The Vedith wagon has not really happened and Light is at L-2? Are you sure we are reading the same game and you're not trapped in a parallel universe version of it?

I'm pretty sure I said nothing about your predecessor because I don't feel like you need to answer for everything they did. But Jord was fairly inactive so it's not like he would have done anything anyways. Plus you weren't even the main part of that read at all you were a good possibility at best if both flipped scum.

You litterally haven't read at all if you missed both of them having Verdith and Creature as the top 2 lynches. Plus litterally scum was just dayvigged and you believe that the scum team was bussing Verdith and not Light? No Verdith is not going to be scum at all.

Really Xyzzy is the best candiate for scum and it's just stupid that anyone believes that Verdith was being bussed by the Mafia and Light was being left alone.
VOTE: Xyzzy

Agree but for the last paragraph. Let's vote the scum we agree on.

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Oh and I forgot to say this in the last post, but really anyone still considering a scum dayvig...I really can't express my disappointment in your critical thinking skills. "Mod being allowed 1 abnormal role makes scum dayvig very likely" is just...*sigh* no real words can describe how bad that argument is. Just don't. That's all. Just stop being stupid. Just because something can be done does not mean it will be done.

I agree with this. It's just BlackStar's ISO is pretty much as bad as Seph's in terms of bussing potential. I'm unwilling to clear such likely scumplay based off an awkward interpretation of the wiki.

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Do the normal guidelines permit a scum day vig?

Just bolding that.


I am not wrong but I get everyone thinks I am. Seraphim is still scum even if I am wrong. I am not joining any of these bullshit wagons unless I have to or a case better than scumclaimed is presented. Y'all should just sheep me until I am proven wrong rather than ridiculing me because y'all are wanting to believe in clears.

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before it ever even started I was confident that joining Dunnstral's first modded game was the first choice and now I'm even more sure

so much has happened in the like couple days I've been away (I spent a lot of time sleeping...) and I'll need time to really process it all, but while I'm pretty sure it's possible it's possible for BlackStar to be scum (the normal rules allow for one non-normal role; they don't say anything about how non-normal that role can be) I don't really see it as likely.

Naomi-Tan, do you not think it's possible light_ganski was bussing one of Vedith or Creature?

I'm not seeing why the Seraphim wagon is happening at all. maybe that'll become clearer to me when I get the chance to reread the last several pages at a time that isn't 4 am.

Jordan's response to a fake guilty on him was that he read the thread. His reply indicated it was fully possible to get a guilty on him. He's also in Light's scumpool which likely has at least one scum. (Vedith, creature, BlackStar). The first two are obvious town. The latter is scum you won't lynch. By PoE that leaves Jordan.

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Please stop projecting. It's fully ok to think BlackStar is town based off play if you can justify that. He can be a scum dayvig though. That's not trolling to hold that belief, as he is a scumfuck by his play. You can disagree with me, but you'll need to see the light before lylo. I cannot force you to. You need your own process.

Now, why are you not voting Seraphim?

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Please stop trolling the game.

Just because people disagree with you isno reason to seek replacement. You could be wrong. Try a dialogue.

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@Io, Agree with everything but the likelihood of BlackStar scum. Talk to me about their play please.

@Transcend, Stop calling me a troll and agree to disagree. Ty.

What do you think of Seraphim?

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Please stop trolling the game.

Just because people disagree with you isno reason to seek replacement.

You could be wrong

. Try a dialogue.

You should listen your own advice lol

I am. That's why I am asking for a town case on you. You hopping onto every single wagon that isn't Seraphim isn't exactly reassuring.

Look, we both know Seraphim is probably scum thanks to Jordan. You jumping nakedly from town to town is pretty damning.

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Jordarrian

Someone got a guilty on you.

Jordarrian.

T O P K E K

Jordarrian

Someone got a guilty on you.

Nice try, I read the thread.

The first post happened at 2:18. The next post happened less than 2 minutes later. There was no "coaching". Your argument on why this is not a slip is that Jordan would have checked the thread before replying to anything. Coaching more likely happened after that point, when a town pushed wagon appeared on him.

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He was unskilled. However, look at Light's reaction to the wagon.

First, he avoids it.
He then says it's too early to pin down Jordan and Naomi.
Then, Jordan is in his scumpool. He doesn't place a vote or vote elsewhere.
He keeps Jordan in a safe place to vote but never makes a comment on Jordan.

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Jordarrian has not completed a single game and has been replaced in the two other newbie games he played before this one. None of his posts in those games demonstrate that he had any idea what he was doing.

This says implicity that unskilled = town. Also wrong.

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Imo just townbloc {Creature, Naomi, Transcend, BlackStar, Io} and should be lock town win.

Your lock group has scum in it, so nope. Take out BlackStar and put in anyone but Seraphim and good to go.

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I mean, yeah.

Let's lynch the guy who started the bandwagon on Light which caused us to wagon him which caused him to get dayvigged.

Spectacular idea, fuckos.

Let's forget bussing is a thing.

Spectacular idea, Townbeard.

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What would be the motivation for a scum vig to shoot his scum buddy that was at L-1? It would make much more sense to just vote on the wagon or tell him to claim a pr or something. Wagon form and fall apart quickly on day 1, so it was likely that if I hadn't shot light then he wouldn't have even gotten lynched. No matter how often you say it, Verith is not "obv town". He's null at best and that's being a little generous. Why do you even townread xyzzy? I'm not voting sera right now because you've been illogical throughout the game so far and I don't want to follow someone like that. Yeah, jord was scummy. But sera has been decent. I don't know what to make of him so far. But xyzzy's posts are really awkward and light had them as high up on his reads list without saying why. I think it's better to go after xyzzy

Blitz, reply to this please

1) Towncred
2) Vedith is obvious town. Sorry. No matter how much shade you both throw, he has conflict with all scum so...
3) Because you're pushing him, he's solving the game and you two are desperately deflecting onto anyone scumhunting that is not you. You're attempting to have me prove everyone else town to avoid your terrible association with Light. Then, you just pick the weakest town case and argue it's not enough. Not playing that game.
4) Here's the mysterious "illogical" insult rather that responding to the case on Sera. The fact I believe you are scum is not a tenet in my case on Sera. You saw they slipped and voted ten. Now that there's another wagon, suddenly I am illogical.
5) It's not better to go after town while you insult me for going after scum. It's the only move you have left as I am not Looney tunes sounding if scum can have a dayvig.

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Imo just townbloc {Creature, Naomi, Transcend, BlackStar, Io} and should be lock town win.

Your lock group has scum in it, so nope. Take out BlackStar and put in anyone but Seraphim and good to go.

This is good enough to town read him by.
Any person willing to be out of the town-bloc is probably not scum unless by some chance he was a vengeful goon. Thought that's also not normal.

Also I just looked at the vigilante page again.
It specifically says a Vigilante cannot be scum in normal games. Even if you allow one abnormal role I don't think that even permits a scum vigilante at all.

A dayvig is not a night vig.

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Does Titus usually throws shade at who's logically conftown?

Your premise implies BlackStar is. They are not.

The reason why the addendum was made was to stop anything that gives scum 2kpn per night.

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titus if you don't stop playing the bussing card to explain why the heavy push then i'm going to lynch you regardless of your alignment.

So, the heavy push on BlackStar you mean? OK, well if he's scum he had to bus.

So either I am fake as shit and claim I townread BlackStar or you vote me?

Look at BlackStar's ISO. Look at how little it mentions light. Ok, I getI am not lynching him but I ought to be able to disagree. If I am not allowed that, then lynch me. I will laugh I BlackStar wins.

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Great. I know that y'all are not going to lynch him unless he mysteriously keeps surviving. I'm well aware of your thoughts that I am crazy. Ty.

Can we lynch Seraphim now?

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We can lynch Seraphim.

Stop being so hyper to lynch town.

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These last posts are eww by Skelda. If I wasn't convinced BlackStar was scum, these would be setting up red flags that you are Seraphim's partner.

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Yeah, no. It's a sign that the wagon stalled. Sera was at or near L minus 1 too but yet no one has given a reason for X being scum while I tied Seraphim to Light. X is a pretty clear counter.

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Yeah, no. It's a sign that the wagon stalled. Sera was at or near L minus 1 too but yet no one has given a reason for X being scum while I tied Seraphim to Light. X is a pretty clear counter.

I gave like 5 different reasons for why x is scummy, so stop making things up.

Great. Show me where.

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oh just realized i wasn't voting

VOTE: xyzzy

hammer'd

have a good night err1.

You're a dick that hammered a mislynch without a claim.

You cannot live to lylo.

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@BlackStar, None of that is reasons but circular logic.

If he's scum, he's not solving the game for instance.

Reasons are things like Jordan slipped.

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Blitzkrieg, I claimed townie, and also that's not a hammer, because Transcend was already voting me.

Townie is not a role but an alignment.

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I don't understand why you haven't tried to defend yourself at all or push the wagon that you're on or do anything that would convince us to lynch someone else over you

No one is accusing me of being scum. And are you seriously arguing that I am not pushing Seraphim.

Go dayvig another scumbuddy of yours.

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VOTE: Seraphim

Hey, let's vote the scum that got away yesterday.

Or y'all can continue to vote town. Whatever, I've basically got the game solved. Whenever y'all are ready to sheep.

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Let's all go on and pretend that X wasn't a counterwagon to scum shall we and the massive kill isn't designed to have us chasing our tails?

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BlackStar, why is Seraphim still drawing air?

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You're claiming to be able to shoot him.

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Calling the scumteam is inexcusably awful?

Please tell me you replaced a scumfuck slot.

<Vla today feeling ill

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Btw, Seraphim replacing out isn't AI.

Seraphim is scum, but it looks like he subbed out across the board.

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Hi ScumMarie. Love you. There's a guilty in the thread. The target said nice try, you should bus them.

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VLA due to flu

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It's worth noting that scum would be a lot more inclined to buddy with the dayvig than push for their lynch.
I don't see Blitz as scum for pushing the dayvig at all. If anything he lacks the ability to connect dots.

The dots are connected fine. You're in denial. RachMarie is fenceshitting so hard right now.

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It's just not worth it as scum to push a dayvig.
1) you run the risk of pissing off said dayvig and dying.
2) you know you're not going to lynch him because face it, scum wouldn't get a 2-shot dayvig even in a non-normal game.
3) you get a bit suspicious for doing so. I guess you could go for the long con and hope someone says scum wouldn't do that like now, but still.

Agreed, but BlackStar has to take that second shot.

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Hi ScumMarie. Love you. There's a guilty in the thread. The target said nice try, you should bus them.

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Have we lynched the Jordan slot yet?

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Why do i have a feeling that was bluff

Because it was.



KTS is scum though. His reaction to getting shot was just "oh well". If he was town he would've gotten mad about being killed or he would've tried to give us his reads before he flipped to help us lynch the right people. But he didn't do any of that because he was scum and he didn't have any reason to. If you're not on the KTS wagon, hop on.

Nah, Dayvig fake is as old as time.

Can we finally lynch scum now?

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It's hard to lynch someone when there's someone hard defending him, this is why scum wins more.

Yes, that is why we need to lynch RachMarie.

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I have played with town KTS before and he usually is off the wall on things but he is also INVESTED in the game and wants to see town win

here its


meh

which is why I am scum reading him.

He was not invested in in Open 633.

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I just called you out for lying and your response is, you should be thankful I'm defending you. No thanks.

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Lie? Where?

She said KTS as scum doesn't get invested. I showed that KTS town game where he wasn't invested (Open 633).

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VOTE: Kill The Story

KILL THE STORY IS NOW L-1

kts I would appreciate a roll claim to save your life :3

I kinda agree that town would have a bigger reaction. that was just such a whatever attitude so I'm interested to see this pressure threw.

Fake dayvigs. Still all the rage.

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KTS made a point of not efforting in the large normal hosted by SirCakez too. I'm not sure where RachMarie gets effort from KTS = town.

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lol it isn't a lie, it's non-knowledge.

She was in Open 633.

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The game I replaced in later yes that one. The one where ocean (cough cough FALCON) was such a jerkwad in.

Here is KTS'S ISO that you say he was ininvested in the game excuse me? He looks a heck of a lot more invested in that game than this one?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

The only difference there is that he produced a reads list in one like one time.

KTS is town and we should be lynching you.

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VOTE: Expedience

I'm inclined to agree with BlackStar. Creature and Expedience definitely share an alignment.

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Well there's one loophole where it's town v scum.

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Interesting. No reply to my comment Creature?

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Really?

Zero comments about how Creature knew Expedience was subbing in before the mod announced it. Y'all suck.

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what does that have to do with anything exactly

If Creature knew before the mod announced it, the only way I see that as possible is if the two share a PT that has daychat.

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Hi Expedience

Hey Rach, Expedience is the new Skelda

Vote Count 2.6

Vedith (3): Killthestory, Creature, RachMarie
RachMarie (2): Blitzkrieg, BlackStar
Naomi-Tan (2): Vedith, Io
Killthestory (1) Naomi-Tan
Blitzkrieg (1): Transcend

Not Voting (1): Expedience

With 10 votes it takes 6 to lynch

Day ends in (expired on 2016-09-23 14:30:00)

Expedience replaces Skelda

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or because the mod edited the OP before announcing.

So you randomly stalk first posts?

That makes about as much sense as tits on a bull.

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Really?

Zero comments about how Creature knew Expedience was subbing in before the mod announced it. Y'all suck.

I already commented on that. Don't know how you could've missed that

You mentioned a slip but not what it was. Glad to see we're at least in agreement as to why.

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That still leaves the issue of "mafia vig" though as not even I think a mafia vig can exist.

Five bucks Creature says his vig is one shot.

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Hey Blitz, do you think two vigs + bulletproof are all town?

I have you as scum, so no.