Mini 1836: Space Mafia (Game Over)

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VOTE: Naomi-Tan

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VOTE: Toto

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You'll get lynched before me if I have anything to say about it weeb

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I can tell this is going to be one of

those

games where everybody townreads Zach







VOTE: Zachstralkita

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Grapes can't be mafia that would be a STATISTICAL ANOMOLY and I won't stand for it

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@Grapes: I imagine most people base their non-random votes on their reads and their own role. Basically, I think it depends on what information they have, or think they have, and what they are trying to achieve.

For example, you seem to have non-randomly voted me after I asked if RVS was over.

Maybe you did that because town!you read that as a suspicious question from newbscum, and wanted to pressure me to get more hypothetical damming evidence.

Also, if, hypothetically, you were scum, you could have read that as a lost newbtown, easy lynch bait, and pressure me to get me myslynched.

There could have been other reasons, that I'm not aware of yet, of why you did it.

I don't have a strong opinion on which is more likely at this point. That's why I'm reading you as null, same as pretty much everyone else so far, and not non-randomly voting yet.

I hope that answers your question.

Did you get coached...? This doesn't really match up with your previous posts

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Why do you need a page 3 vote count to decide your vote

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Dunn's thing about zach was stupid.

And how so? As a professional Zach alignment detector I can already tell his "aura"/tone this game is way off

It's like he's pretending to be laid back but he's not

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There Is 3 Red Players and 10 Blues

I'm green

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Why were you calling town blue

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As long as TwoFace always follows through on his coin flips he should be untouchable. Bad Xkfyu. Bad.



Also,

VOTE: Toto

Scummiest entrance I've ever witnessed.

Can you explain this post i don't get it.

I get it, dare I say it's the scummiest entrance I've ever witnessed

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As long as TwoFace always follows through on his coin flips he should be untouchable. Bad Xkfyu. Bad.



Also,

VOTE: Toto

Scummiest entrance I've ever witnessed.

Can you explain this post i don't get it.

I get it, dare I say it's the scummiest entrance I've ever witnessed

but why is it a scummy entrance?

It's his aura

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Also, do I have to start ignoring Dunn this early? Yes. Yes I do.

Ignoring me doesn't make the allegations go away

In fact if you were town you wouldn't feel the need to dramatize it either you'd just do it

I too am an amiacable fellow

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VOTE: grapes

Ain't no grapes in space.

http://winefolly.com/update/iss-reveals ... ter-space/
Not yet, anyways.

That's untrue actually

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What's not a word?

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How so?

Went from looking like a vi to knowing exactly what they're talking about

The way they talked was different along with what they were saying

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Vote him


Also I see we're choosing to ignore massive choosing to ignore the whole thread

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Vote Dunn or no?

Heads

vote: Dunn

Reason?

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Vote him


Also I see we're choosing to ignore massive choosing to ignore the whole thread

What happened to me being scum? You soft ass teddy bear

that feel when I also SR Toto

I was calling for a vote on you in that post good sir

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does anyone have any reads right now?

Zach is scum
Grapes is town
Twoface is going to be a real

treat

to play with but maybe town
Xkfyu is towny
Toto is scummy

Don't have opinions on the rest

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How so?

Went from looking like a vi to knowing exactly what they're talking about

The way they talked was different along with what they were saying

This is the post Twoface says "no town would make"

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Dunn seems to agree with Grapes and somewhat defensive of her. Not sure why she is reading her town so fast, therefore my question above.

Please point out where I am defensive of Grapes and "agree with them"

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Wait what am I reading

Alos I did it to make toto not feel pressuered by your vote so he could read normally and not feel rushed some people don't feel that way with votes but I don't know who that is.

I'm not sure what that means, but since he is defending me I feel emotionally inclined to townread him a little bit.

Scum will eventually slip (logically) because they have no choice. But it is too early in the game for that to work, and I think the strategy is more likely to get us a mislynch at this stage of the game. That is something scum would benefit from so I guess I should read her a bit scummy.

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Dunn seems to agree with Grapes and somewhat defensive of her. Not sure why she is reading her town so fast, therefore my question above.

Please point out where I am defensive of Grapes and "agree with them"

You seem to agree I'm scum. I can not find any reference to a post where you say 'I agree with you Grapes' if that's what you mean.

On the defending, I apologize because I thought I remembered something about this, but it must have been the interaction about grapes in space.

Also, can you answer my question, why do you think Grapes is town?

I think you're scummy. You'll note that you haven't even been taking up my primary attention

Your only basis for seeing a connection between me and grapes is that we both think you're scummy on page 7

I'm townreading Grapes because I've played with them where they were mafia before and I think they're town so far into this

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does anyone have any reads right now?

Zach is scum
Grapes is town
Twoface is going to be a real

treat

to play with but maybe town
Xkfyu is towny
Toto is scummy

Don't have opinions on the rest

I like SDR2 so you will be my sole TR for no reason at all right now.

Good taste

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They did it in your scum thread.

Except I did it and you should have known that:

There Is 3 Red Players and 10 Blues

I'm green

Why were you calling town blue

The only thing twofaced about you is your alignment

explain this sentence

Why were you calling town blue

Well.. I used to call it town and scum but I think scum is just a nasty thing to call them so I wanna call them reds now. Reds and town just looks kinda weird so I just made it Red and Blues though I guess I should call them greens given the thats the color of town roles. but red and green doesn't have the ring of reds and blues... but I guess I can call them red and greens maybe it'll grow on m.

VOTE: grapes

Ain't no grapes in space.

Vote him


Also I see we're choosing to ignore massive choosing to ignore the whole thread

Hey, I didn't ignore it, I read it, I just didn't feel like having the awesome joke I came up with on Page 1 go to waste.

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Wait what am I reading

Alos I did it to make toto not feel pressuered by your vote so he could read normally and not feel rushed some people don't feel that way with votes but I don't know who that is.

I'm not sure what that means, but since he is defending me I feel emotionally inclined to townread him a little bit.

Scum will eventually slip (logically) because they have no choice. But it is too early in the game for that to work, and I think the strategy is more likely to get us a mislynch at this stage of the game. That is something scum would benefit from so I guess I should read her a bit scummy.

I don't follow.

They're all dumb things to have said

Maria is trying to make sure toto doesn't feel pressured
Toto is emotionally inclined to townread someone who defended them
Toto thinks scum "eventually slip (logically)" in every game

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No one is enclinded to do **** you're turning a statement I said into me trying to get toto to townread me???? Holy manipulation post

I don't see how you got any manipulation from that

Is there a conclusion though, other than "these are dumb?"

No

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You're turning a post that was about telling pip to back off toto and let him get reads at his own pace into: Maria just made that post for toto to townread her.

I never said that, though

I said you were trying to make sure toto didn't feel pressured, but that it was dumb

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Yeah that inclined thing was something else

You're turning a post that was about telling pip to back off toto and let him get reads at his own pace into: Maria just made that post for toto to townread her.

I never said that, though

I said you were trying to make sure toto didn't feel pressured, but that it was dumb

Why is it dumb for me to not want him pressured?

Because it's early game and we want to pressure people, and you're saying you don't want him to be feel pressured so he can think better

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(and possibly fake ones just to get a vote off them)

? Town wouldn't or shouldn't give fake reads to get a vote off them

I've never really seen that before

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Maria, the problem is that you are assuming Toto is town.

Fair point.
Do you see how the event I just laid out can happen though?

Why couldn't they just say they didn't have strong reads?

You're assuming so much here

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Let's say for a moment that your potentially weak "I feel green" joke was directed at Naomi-Tan with the purpose of moving her to call town "green" instead.

Huge misrepresentation/twisting of the facts going on here:

I said "I'm green" in response to naomi-tan calling town blue. It wasn't a joke. I wasn't "moving her to call town green" I was wondering why she said blue in the first place

How does the later interaction with Naomi read knowing that she was part of that conversation?

Not sure what you're asking

I don't think she's mafia based off of calling town blue (not necessarily townreading her either)

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I think she is talking about me, as nobody else was talking about role pm colors at the time

I've never seen a blue town is the thing, so it's not like it was a genuine mix-up of town colors from scum, just a weird thing to say

There's a sample town pm so she could have checked that as well

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Wait I just understood what you're saying - Because she said "someone" instead of referencing me, you think she was referencing someone in scum thread had told her?


I don't think that's the case, I think she was referencing me (why would scum reference their scum thread)

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can the knowledgable townfolk join this god damned massive wagon?

holy shit i cannot believe this color shit is a serious topic

I cannot believe Dunn is also being taken seriously

? I haven't even been talking about you I was talking about the color thing with massive

This is kind of a contradiction honestly, you should be agreeing with me here on what I'm saying about the color thing but you just brush me off

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It just seemed odd you were townreading them so fast. I mean. They must have done something townlike to make her go from neutral to town in your view, right? Or in other words, does lack of mafia tells in 7 pages means town or neutral?

I don't townread people unless I think they're town
I don't try to lynch people unless I think they're mafia
If They're neutral I'd still try to switch the vote to someone I scumread

I don't consider my reads to have formed too fast

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I still think the statement about how scum needs to make logical fallacies later in the game as we get more information has some footing.

Have you ever played as scum before?

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@Dunn, why do you think Grapes is town?

This is a good question.

VOTE: Dunnstral

You're dumb

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dunn feels prickly and stern to me

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Bad reaction

you're voting me because you think my reads formed too fast?

You've played in a game with me before

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Oh

You replaced into that one and had no reason to read my early game

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Bad reaction

What is your read on Zach?

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well thank god detective dunnstral is on the case, magically figuring out everyone's reads.

Well I did

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I have a lot of townreads right now:

Xkfyu
Grapes
itlepip (so far)
twoface

Still think Zach is scum

Not sure if Naomi is actually scummy or just awkward

Maria is off for me

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He's town.

Which makes your push on him all the more bad.

Why is he town?

Why is my push bad?

Are you saying even if Zach is scum my push is bad?

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After having played with you where you were town numerous times I am able to detect differences in your play unseen to the naked eye

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untrue

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This game still isn't picking up? *yawn*

You're voting itlepip for dumb reasons

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You know exactly what the fuck I'm talking about though. Stop playing dumb

that one game where it was a blitz and I didn't even get you lynched and I was changing my mind so now I can't scumread you

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If you want the game to pick up, maybe you should pick it up. Your vote on itlepip looks like you're soft defending toto and at the same time you're ignoring stuff from other people which you could talk about

Who else do you think is scum besides itlepip?

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gerryoat - I think i remember them promising content; but not sure I'll has to check but nothing much from them yet
they didn't promise content.. but haven't said enough for me to form a read NULL

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What question are you talking about

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It just seemed odd you were townreading them so fast. I mean. They must have done something townlike to make her go from neutral to town in your view, right? Or in other words, does lack of mafia tells in 7 pages means town or neutral?

I don't townread people unless I think they're town
I don't try to lynch people unless I think they're mafia
If They're neutral I'd still try to switch the vote to someone I scumread

I don't consider my reads to have formed too fast

Ok,

I'll try to ask this in a different way then,

I'm not asking you lynch anyone, or change your read or vote. I honestly want to understand what is it that made you read Grapes as town. We have different point of views on them and maybe I'm missing something, and I'd like to adjust my reads based on that.

You said you have seen them play as >>mafia<< before, and they are behaving as >>town<< so far.

I'm sorry if you find me too picky here. But this statement doesn't make too much sense to me.

My interpretation is that you said: "I've seen grapes play as mafia before [and I don't see their scumtells so far], therefore I'm reading them as town".

But is that the right conclusion? Why not just neutral? what makes them different from your other neutral reads?

I think they're town because I think they're not mafia

It's not the lack of "scumtells", it's Grapes acting contrary. I Know meta can change and all but from what I've seen Grapes as scum knows how to get people to relax around them in a way, and they look like they're scumhunting and helping town. Whereas Grapes here is all over the place, honestly doesn't seem to know what they're doing and seems understandably confused having drawn town. And they don't have the facade. Unfortunately the "competence" aura doesn't seem to have transferred over as Grapes really does appear to be washed up town here

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Zach is null because I can never read this stupid Radiant Cowbells playstyle that seems to be all the rage with the kids these days.

haAHAHAHha

hah

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@Dunn
Why are you still voting zach? You should know he's town by now.

I know better than anyone else that he's

not

town

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Yes the fact that I don't think Dunn thinks he can actually peg me this early has a bit to do with it.

lol

Well you're pretty confident and I'm not sure if that's warranted in this game

But "make people relax around him" doesn't even make sense and is just some bullshit he made up after toto had to ask him about it twice.

But it does make sense. As scum you are very careful, almost analytical about what you say. You make sure not to get on anyone's "bad side" unnecessarily and avoid suspicion for a good portion of the game. At least, that's my interpretation

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Your read on Zach is dumb and you have no reasoning for it here

You only think he's town because you think I'm scum.

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much easier to

red

Get him boys

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Any other thoughts on the game?

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washed up

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Actually, explain to me how you can be on my case for thinking Zach is scum and you're town over the course of the game, when Simple Plan has 2 posts and only looked at Naomi

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Classic "why me" scumpost.

i really hope you aren't serious

I am.

He asked me why I'm reading him differently to someone with 2 posts. Straight up scumplaining.

Wait, you were talking to me there?

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on the very last page

And every one of those thoughts also has a counter to it


It's OK to admit you're wrong, you know?

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doing nothing to push him

Simply untrue

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Why's he scum? Should seem to think I'm one of the more important people to sell. And you havent' tried.

You're trying to disprove every negative opinion I have of you

Uh. I am trying to sell to you that I'm not scum. Then you'll naturally feel inclined to follow

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Pretty sure I can safely say Gerry flipped town
But knowing me I'm gonna take back that statement 2 days later right Gerry!

don't try and pocket me.

Also holy hell this is an awkward interaction.

Looks fine to me.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8155703

This is a game I played with Zach where he was scum (with Maria)

I was town

Pay attention to his interactions with me - He never ever calls me scum or votes for me. Instead he brushes off what I say as "just a Dunn thing" no matter what I'm pushing

Now compare that to this game. Never calls me scum, finds excuses and says "that's just how I am"

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Spoiler: from that game

Zach is 100% town!

no he's not, trust me

There's a reason something's wrong with both of these statements at the same time. First person to decipher it gets a cookie.

*not 100%

Don't know if he's a scummer yet but fire is regardless of zach

YO I GOT SOME NAMES FOR YOU BUDDY

drmyshottyizsik
Floof/zakk/Desmond_13
[name i cant say now]
[name i cant say now]
[name i cant say now]
[name i cant say now]
RadiantCowbells


WHAT DO THESE NAMES ALL HAVE IN COMMON, YOU ASK?

THEY WERE ALL TOWN WHEN DUNNSTRAL TUNNELED THE FUCK OUT OF THEM. NOW LET'S SEE, IS HE TRYING TO SET A RECORD?

VOTE: Firebringer
Zach is town, but i don't see town wanting to be WK-ed

YO

YO GET OFF OF FIRE


Okay guys I'm gonna try to be coherent here. Fire's supposed to be hot but his play is ICE COLDDD so far thats why I suspect some forces are trying to remove him from the EQUATION

but not without a fight

I never tunneled radiantcowbells

I never tunneled drmyshotty

Ya except you wanted to throw them into the tunnel known as death while I was the angel on your shoulder telling you what the fuck was really good

YO

YO GET OFF OF FIRE

VOTE HIM HE'S SCUM

Actually Zach doesn't vote people who call him town nvm

Son, Dunnstral pushes people I like just to spite me. And when I hard defend my townreads he STILL PUSHES THEM LMoO

Son, Dunnstral pushes people I like just to spite me.

I push actual scummy people and you hard defend actual scummy people
Them flipping town is irrelevan

t

Pay attention to this sentence, everybody.

This is why I usually never have and never will take Dunnstral seriously

Finding scum is more than voting the blatant lynchbait YOU GOTTA READ BETWEEN THE LIENS AND YOU LOOKIN LIKE HELLEN KELLER IN THAT REGARD

Side note: Creature is actin sus

Creature towny

do you exist simply to protest everything i say

Notice: Dunn gets shook and moves his vote when Vedith calls him on not hammering giga

Notice: Dunn fears Vedith and can only bully me because I'm vulnerable and emotionally compromised

We're not lynching Giga by the way

heard it here first

Field note: Dunnstral continually states what is and isn't going to happen as if his opinion is valued

we are not sure why this phenomenon occurs

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I'm not trying to shade ASP. I'm wondering why you are tunneled onto me

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I'd probably look at the people trying to either brush aside the "psychology" reasoning (a la Zach) or the people pushing me as a counterwagon (a la Zach) .. HEY WAIT A MINUTE

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I quoted another game where Zach was scum and got ignored

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LOL

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Noted soft defense on Zach when pressure is starting to form there in 514

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Willimg to lynch MariaR

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And Zach

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Goodluck with that Dunn tell me how it goes for you.

What is your read on Zach, having played with him when he was mafia?

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Why don't you like the naomi wagon?
Do you think twoface is mafia?

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Why don't you like the naomi wagon?
Do you think twoface is mafia?

Because I tr her
He could be not my top concern atm
I don't think you'll listen to my answers anyway.

What's your top concern then? Because you're voting him

dunnstral isn't even trying to gamesolve..wtf

Seems to be a strange disconnect between you and the thread. I've been gamesolving.

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I don't think you'll listen to my answers anyway

Not sure what this is supposed to mean. Looks like an excuse

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Maria says Zach is nullscum and she's not scumreading twoface

2 votes on Zach, 0 on twoface

Better start a twoface counterwagon

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It's cool that you said something and expected it to be true based off sheer willpower, but that's not the case

What are your thoughts on Maria?

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How is Zach easy to lynch? We must not be playing the same game here

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You decide your lynches based on how easy they are?

If they're near the same value in terms of scumminess yes I do.

I thought twoface was a liability lynch

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So you won't give your thoughts on Maria. Noted.

You decide your lynches based on how easy they are?

If they're near the same value in terms of scumminess yes I do.

I thought twoface was a liability lynch

You thought right.

So why are you changing your story and saying you scumread him?

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566 is a really bad post

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You decide your lynches based on how easy they are?

If they're near the same value in terms of scumminess yes I do.

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That implies that you're scumreading him.

You're voting him for being a liability

If I wasn't on Zach I'd be voting you

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No you piece of shit there is no real reason for a town you to ask me that if you actually believe I'm scum as much as you say you do

Thought you'd at least respond to it, pretending to be town. You're the one who's sidestepped the question

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Except, you know, I am town and you're only doubtcasting me because you're scared.

Scared of what? You've bandwagoned all game

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I know what my issue is and I'll try to fix it from here on out.

so you'll only play newbie games from now on? good idea.

Comment not needed.

Send grapes my regards

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Dunnstral
Still think they are probably Green
Wow.. this massive tunnel.. voted Zach page 66 and still on him 600 posts later XD but placing that on the; NAI Pile lets get back to the ISO ... urgh.. Okay.. not so keen on them now :s I think there reactions are just too.. aggressive? like i'm reading this as a player who was hammered (metaphorically speaking) but a Red player last game so hard that I broke and started ignoring them whenever possible.. and it seems like he is reading both his Red picks mostly on meta, which is cool and all... but at the same time I feel like he ignored the meta for the game we just finished that he modded.. I'm wondering if he read the main thread now.. as I feel that if he was reading along he should of had more of a Green vibe only the color thing standing out, which he ignored anyway. I am curious to know what his thoughts on Red!Maria is in relation to his previous play with them compared to this game though.

The game I was modding was ongoing until a short while ago

I don't know what you expect from me; Zach and Maria both weren't even in that game

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Wow.. this massive tunnel.. voted Zach page 66 and still on him 600 posts later XD but placing that on the; NAI Pile lets get back to the ISO ... urgh.. Okay.. not so keen on them now :s I think there reactions are just too.. aggressive? like i'm reading this as a player who was hammered (metaphorically speaking) but a Red player last game so hard that I broke and started ignoring them whenever possible.. and it seems like he is reading both his Red picks mostly on meta, which is cool and all... but at the same time I feel like he ignored the meta for the game we just finished that he modded.. I'm wondering if he read the main thread now.. as I feel that if he was reading along he should of had more of a Green vibe only the color thing standing out, which he ignored anyway. I am curious to know what his thoughts on Red!Maria is in relation to his previous play with them compared to this game though.

Take2

• Okay so.. In this game they are reading Zach and Maria as Red's while I'm reading them both as Green's.
• He is reading them as reds due to meta.
• I'm reading Maria Green off of meta.
•

He is also red leaning on myself.

• I think he should be more Green Leaning due to a recent game.
• So I am over all more Red reading him than last time. This still probably resolves as a Null - Slight Red.

Least that makes my thoughts clear even if it is bullet pointed.

The post above is in reference to Dunnstral

I'm not scumreading you (and never said I was)

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Maria. Can you link me to a game where you seriously pushed him day one.

Why does it matter?

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I'm not into policy lynches but if itlepip, Gerry, or something smart got to l-1 I'd hammer.

itlepip is pretty towny

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Like at the very least it was implied that itlepip would be a policy lynch for "doing nothing" lumped in with ASP and Gerry but that's not even true

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Shocker

2 people who's opinions I trust the least disagree

with me. Must be headed down the right track.

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Don't forget guys scum can "look towny" sometimes. But no he doesn't look towny at all

Most of the time that's how scum wins. They are the person you least expect to be scum

What's up with this?

If he looks towny why fearmonger and say "that's how scum get you" when it's day 1

Do you lynch the people you least expect to be scum on day 1?

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Not sure if Naomi is actually scummy or just awkward

This tells a different story..

No it doesn't

I was saying there is a different explanation for you acting scummy, rather than you actually being scummy

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Can pip eat rope tomorrow please anyone who says he's towny is just wrong.

stick to epicmafia

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Naomi you responded mostly to the stuff I didn't really need a response to.

But yea no. Dunn's "I'm green" post was bad because it's tossing shade at you while trying to ackwardly town-tell and not really coming out with a stance on it until far later on despite

asking

why you thought town was blue reaks of scum waiting to manufacture a stance on something.

Just, like, don't townread him for stuff like that and we'll be all good.

???

I asked about it, got a respose, and I was fine about it and didn't make it into a big deal (it's not)
Pages later people bring it up again. I wasn't "throwing shade"

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Dunnstral - I feel that they might be green. reds would been much less likely to step in on the color thing :3

Ok, I think I got this now. You meant that even though he was the one that noticed the color thing did not use it and also dismissed it? Where did they step in?

(I also find your post very hard to read BTW)

@Dunn + Naomi
Thanks for your answers and clarifications.

@Maria: Can you elaborate on your town read on Naomi?

Ok, I think I got a townish read on a few people now:

Dunn: the early town read on grapes feels authentic to me now. I'm not sure I would have been able to come up with that explanation as scum.
Grapes: Mainly because of the above.
X: He is been consistently town-like.

Mixed feelings:

Naomi: the red-blue thing is a bit messy. I can see the mistake happen both ways. I can even see it happen on purpose as scum, or even as town. Also the fact that my main town read (X) is voting her is not helping. She is defending Dunn, which is good. Dunn is defending her which is good. I don't think they are in the same team if one of them is scum.

Massive: the main case against him is to have picked up a small thing and made it bigger than it is. I could see me falling for the same thing as town.

2-face. Seems to be selling my own newbiness too hard (sorry, buddy).

The rest are neutral for me.

X, why are you voting Naomi?

For now I don't have a strong scum read on anyone. I'm going to unvote, and see how this develops.

UNVOTE: Grapes

VOTE: dunn

That early town read on grapes keeps nagging at me too. still feels like knowledge gap.

[Dunnstral]

Hello,

I'm having a hard time following the conversation here. I will try to catch up today or tomorrow and post my thoughts. So far I agree with itlepip and others on Zach's filler posts. Seems like a scummy thing to cloud the conversation, but I don't know if he always just behaves like this.

[Dunnstral]

It's a potato

[Dunnstral]

Eh just makes sense project wise.. the post I'm making in the other tab is kinda big, might be done with it tonight or saturday.. but might take a while (its time consuming)

Here we go

Chainsaw Dunn and Zach?

I'm game.

What does this mean

[Dunnstral]

So what

[Dunnstral]

Green!Massive;
Okay so now I'm going to roleplay as massive!Green.
This player just called Town Blue instead of green. I would of missed it, but someone pointed it out to me, (❚❚) Okay So Pausing for a second; If Massive thought this way, it would lead to a more Greenish veiw on Dun; now looking back we can see in; 264 Just this he is questioning Dunn why he too didn't vote having pointed it out, this makes sense from a Green!Massive Perspective. Moving onwards. (►) I voted them after pressing the issue and getting what I see as a second scum slip. (see latter half of 210) As Naomi couldn't give me a satisfactory explanation I kept my vote on them until bigger threats came about. (■) This here follows rather cleanly. You can read the thoughts as it goes and see his confliction on someone he had a town read on suddenly slipping like this.

Red!Massive
Okay Naomi is acting like she did in our last town game. She should be a NK as she generally is obvious and townie. I'll just town read her. Wait she just slipped.. Well I can't shoot her late game lets push her and tunnel right now. Looks like this lynch won't happen I'll switch to two face. (■) Okay so... looking at this its pretty okay bar a few things, it doesn't explain why he was questioning dunn and why he didn't vote right away in 198

He wasn't really questioning me. If you go back and look you'll realize I'm the one who called him out in post 222 which led to that (He didn't start talking to me of his own accord like you would suggest)

[Dunnstral]

So Zach isn't getting lynched? Sigh.


I need a voting log was about vote dunn but got scared

What? Why would you vote me if you think Zach is scum and I've been pushing him all day?

[Dunnstral]

Because the people I want lynched aren't going to, there's about 3 days left, he's not in my town pile, he's the closest to lynch.

It's pointless to park on somebody who's not going to get lynched.

I'm closest to lynch because there's 2 scum on me

[Dunnstral]

You (I established that too)

[Dunnstral]

What's your read on Naomi?

Leaning town

You (I established that too)

You're dumb

I agree with your other 3 though

Other 3 what

Dunn is most likely just scum trying to bullshit his way out of this

I called you and Toto scum before either of you had voted me. Funny how that works

[Dunnstral]

probably-scum!zach

So why are you voting me, the counter wagon to Zach?

[Dunnstral]

That's what's already happening. It sucks but yeah. Dunn is the consolidation lynch

I can tell you enjoy doing nothing and calling me a consolidation lynch when I have 3 votes on me

Are you willing to lynch Zach?

[Dunnstral]

dunn and zach crossvoting is spicy. that makes me lean toward one of the two being scum as I know directly from them that they reach each other well and have played many games together

And then you realize Zach is voting me because I voted him

quote="In post 981, gerryoat"]VOTE: itlepip

It took awhile, but I think i finally found the vote I'm most comfortable with.[/quote]

[Dunnstral]

^not meant to be a vote btw if it counts

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Zach

[Dunnstral]

I don't understand how you're hard townreading toto but scumreading Xkfyu

[Dunnstral]

Itlepip isn't playing differently from when I saw him as town

[Dunnstral]

If toto is town, Panther might be mafia with Zach

[Dunnstral]

can you briefly tell me:
what game you played with him as town

Stack the deck

[Dunnstral]

Itlepip was there too, as town lol

Different account

[Dunnstral]

I wasn't referring to myself being town in that game

[Dunnstral]

also gonna require the thought process that got you to this one slugger

The same argument gou once used about brushing aside arguments and saying don't see it, except this time they're "too pure" to be scum

Doesn't help that you re calling xkfgu and itlepip scummy

Or have nothing on Zach

[Dunnstral]

And you are saying that toto is guilty of doing that^?

You're the one guilty of doing that

[Dunnstral]

that was super weird bc florestan we played in that newbie with was WAY different than the florestan in Stack the Deck. and they were both town

you're saying you see the same game as what...Stack the Deck then? and you're therefore not concerned?

Corection: you're the one who played with them in the newbie; I was dead before they replaced in

In stack the deck I used the differences in posting as a reason to scumread him and would have pushed for a lynch

The difference is that this is their play at the start of a game, rather than replacing in at the end of it

[Dunnstral]

And you are saying that toto is guilty of doing that^?

You're the one guilty of doing that

ok so baby steps...still trying to figure out your thought process.

I'm guilty of: brushing aside an arguement and saying "I don't see it"

and you're saying thats scummy behavior (and I believe driving that with your assertion that I once made that argument)

am I on track now?

Yes, except you didn't brush aside an argument, you brushed aside general notions near the beginning that toto is scum

[Dunnstral]

thoughts on massive and gerry please?

Also how dare you have the nerve, the AUDACITY to ask me what I think of them while voting me for being a "compromise lynch" with 4 days on deadline and 3 votes on me, and then not trying to figure the game out from there

[Dunnstral]

I've figured the game out already. Now I sit back and laugh when people ignore me

Amazing. Nobodies flipped and you're willing to lynch your 4th highest scumread (while also scumreading Zach)

With multiple days on deadline and act like you've got the game solved

[Dunnstral]

And you are saying that toto is guilty of doing that^?

You're the one guilty of doing that

ok so baby steps...still trying to figure out your thought process.

I'm guilty of: brushing aside an arguement and saying "I don't see it"

and you're saying thats scummy behavior (and I believe driving that with your assertion that I once made that argument)

am I on track now?

Yes, except you didn't brush aside an argument, you brushed aside general notions near the beginning that toto is scum

So I brushed aside notions that toto is scum

And that made you go: "If toto is town, Panther might be scum with Zach"

???

I individually think Zach is scum. Doesn't help that you had nothing to say

[Dunnstral]

Doesn't matter who goes first, as long as it's a scum read

But by your own words it was a "consolidation lynch"

[Dunnstral]

That's what's already happening. It sucks but yeah. Dunn is the consolidation lynch

vote: Dunn

Because the people I want lynched aren't going to, there's about 3 days left, he's not in my town pile, he's the closest to lynch.

It's pointless to park on somebody who's not going to get lynched.

"There's 3 days left"

There were 5 days left

[Dunnstral]

how did you, in your head, formulate this thought:
Panther is brushing aside early thread notions that toto is scum
if toto is town, then panther is probably scum

I told you - by your own logic:

Saying you can't see them as scum when there arereasons to scumread them at that point in the game, is something scum would do to look good

[Dunnstral]

Doesn't matter who goes first, as long as it's a scum read

But by your own words it was a "consolidation lynch"

And?

And, you're contradicting yourself/can't keep your story straight

[Dunnstral]

There was 3 and some change actually.

It was 4

[Dunnstral]

Read from post 210 onwards for blue stuff

[Dunnstral]

Except it does make sense. You have a "TMI" read on toto.

Twoface is likely scum as he's hard defending Zach by pushing a bogus lynch on me

[Dunnstral]

How did I contradict myself? Cause I really didn't

So am I a consolidation lynch and it sucks, or do you scumread me?
Why aren't you pushing me if you scumread me, why aren't you pushing your own reads if you don't

[Dunnstral]

@Panther you're also on my case already without looking at Zach, and I'm playing completely different from when I was scum (where you townread me)

[Dunnstral]

@Panther you're also on my case already without looking at Zach, and I'm playing completely different from when I was scum (where you townread me)

undertone here that you know I'm town

js

No it's not?
You'll find that I was also part of that blue conversation. You conveniently glossed over that. Js

[Dunnstral]

Are you saying I'm supposed to present a read on you based on that?

Why are you pushing on me while ignoring me in the past

[Dunnstral]

dunn and zach crossvoting is spicy. that makes me lean toward one of the two being scum as I know directly from them that they reach each other well and have played many games together

@Panther you're also on my case already without looking at Zach, and I'm playing completely different from when I was scum (where you townread me)

undertone here that you know I'm town

js

No it's not?
You'll find that I was also part of that blue conversation. You conveniently glossed over that. Js

Are you saying I'm supposed to present a read on you based on that?

Dunn - I have one big question for you:

Why is Zach scum iyo?

And "I can discern a difference from his town game" is not an acceptable answer nor is anything remotely resembling that answer.

These posts seem to say very different things

[Dunnstral]

I'm not. The answer is really that simple: he's scum because he's not playing like he does as town, and I can tell that

[Dunnstral]

Tone

[Dunnstral]

I'll do it when I get on a computer

I need to hear your read on Zach as well becaise you've danced around that

[Dunnstral]

Answer my other question about massive/Gerry please.

I did

[Dunnstral]

thoughts on massive and gerry please?

Also how dare you have the nerve, the AUDACITY to ask me what I think of them while voting me for being a "compromise lynch" with 4 days on deadline and 3 votes on me, and then not trying to figure the game out from there

[Dunnstral]

No

[Dunnstral]

I'll elaborate on just how wrong he is when I get to a pc

[Dunnstral]

LOL good luck champ

[Dunnstral]

Lol. Just let me do it.

[Dunnstral]

You claimed vt randomly then claimed doctor and the real doctor got lynched

Just lay off

Lol. Just let me do it.

I've done it. You can't change the facts. I wish you would have done it before I did it.

I love how you lost to him scum in lylo

The facts = what you said with no evidence

I was right about him being scum in halcyon tower (which ended recently)

[Dunnstral]

Huh? NY196 I was right about you.

[Dunnstral]

Huh? NY196 I was right about you.

But you called him scum with shannon d1. Later you kind of back off and change your read.


Again it just proves what I've been saying.

I was a vig and didn't shhot Zach 4 times. You're obviously biased

[Dunnstral]

What are you talking about?

[Dunnstral]

And are you really voting me based off of something from the start without reading the rest

[Dunnstral]

Yeah once you get past rvs I didn't scumread him that game for long. If I thought he was mafia I'd have shot him

[Dunnstral]

I was going to ISO both Dunn and Zach because I'm fasting and analyzing takes my mind off of it and:

Do i rvs or no?

heads yes
tails no

heads

vote: toto

such a mischevious little puppy

well it wasn't, but even if it was that would make you want to seriously vote me?

if you are town

I would seriously vote you for far less reasons.

so you are scum or a bad player. noted so I can basically ignore anything you say going forward.

do I vote?

damn tails. you get lucky for now.

do i ignore?

heads. ok I can ignore you for the remainder of the game.

So what's a "serious target" then?

SO... why are you asking a question you should already know the answer to?

Oh Twoface.

why didn't you answer me?

do i vote?

damn, tails.

Also, do I have to start ignoring Dunn this early? Yes. Yes I do.

Ignoring me doesn't make the allegations go away

In fact if you were town you wouldn't feel the need to dramatize it either you'd just do it

I too am an amiacable fellow

Vote Dunn or no?

Heads

vote: Dunn

does anyone have any reads right now?

Zach is scum

Grapes is town

Twoface is going to be a real

treat

to play with but maybe town

Xkfyu is towny
Toto is scummy

Don't have opinions on the rest

Scum reading Zach and townreading twoface after they do the same thing is pretty scummy in my book. VOTE: Dunn

Except Zach SPECIFICALLY wouldn't dramatize it like that. I was referring to him.

[Dunnstral]

@massive
@naomi
@gerry
you are sitting on off-wagon wasted votes.
what's your read on itlepip? on dunnstral?

Are you also not on an off wagon?

I feel fine on itlepip I think they are trying at least. Dunnstral.. I think i'll vote for today as between zach and dunn I feel zach is more likely to be town aligned.

VOTE: Dunnstral

Dunnstral IS NOW L-1

Why did you vote me, again?

I'm hoping I wasn't hammered yet. Wondering why Panther is voting itlepip instead of me, and why he ignored me asking for a read on Zach

[Dunnstral]

I'm a friendly neighbor; can we get off me now and get my reads

[Dunnstral]

I'd rather not let Dunn weasel his way out of this one, I think I'm pretty on point with this one

You literally omgus voted me

[Dunnstral]

I almost voted Dunn multiple times yesterday but runaway wagons are bad, even when they're on scum imho

Ideally I want to see this VC end at 7-6. So a counter wagon is needed and I don't believe you're the best counterwagon.

Why haven't you looked at Zach?

[Dunnstral]

vig you know what you need to do

nobody brought this up either, but in the realm of potential slips, this could be a slip that mafia has a doctor...

assuming there's a vig in a 13er is weird. I mean it's not impossible for town to do, but it stuck out loudly to me

Good catch

Something to think about if a scum doctor flips

[Dunnstral]

actually consider's a bad word but you get the gist. We need a lynch today and this is the best option out of the main choices, it's too late for vanity wagons.

? I'm a friendly neighbor

Give more than 1 read

I'd rather not let Dunn weasel his way out of this one, I think I'm pretty on point with this one

You literally omgus voted me

what does him omgus voting you have to do with anything?

He acted like he started a wagon based on my play

[Dunnstral]

I'm a friendly neighbor; can we get off me now and get my reads

GET ZACH

[Dunnstral]

...

[Dunnstral]

Different role

[Dunnstral]

...........................it's still fake most def

Is that really all you can say?

[Dunnstral]

Not willing to lynch itlepip

[Dunnstral]

I'm not easy to buddy. I've played with itlepip before. It's that meta you love

[Dunnstral]

Its been proven you don't meta people well

Sorry? I don't remember any flips happening. Did you want to claim daycop?

[Dunnstral]

His reasons for town reading you are weak,

But they're not and I've seen those same reasons on me multiple times from town in other games

I've never seen it from scum

[Dunnstral]

You said you read zach well. That was proven false.

No it wasn't. You were wrong on at least two of those. It came out to something like me being right 4 times and wrong once

[Dunnstral]

I 90% don't believe the claim

Why?

I think in two separate posts I say I think the guy is town after reading his ISO

So you've avoided all real interaction with him then

[Dunnstral]

Hopefully you will show some RESPECT post-game

[Dunnstral]

didn't have any posts to pull to grill him on

Lol.

Zach + Panther team; toto might be town after all

[Dunnstral]

because I'm scum right Maria

[Dunnstral]

Didn't say you had to GRILL HIM

You never even talked to him

[Dunnstral]

despite the fact that I've seen Dunn hardcore bus (ranger in stack the deck)

I can look at how others have treated him and say with decent confidence that if Dunn is scum fake claiming here, he's not a buddy with:
twoface
zach
grapes
toto
naomi
me ldo

Dunn - if we don't lynch you, you better play your action fucking optimally

What are your reads with me being town?

[Dunnstral]

4 lurkers LOL

I mean to put it gently that's basically it. Zach posts like crazy compared to them and he's kind of a hot topic right now

[Dunnstral]

When will you realize that I thought he was town by irl day 3 and if I thought he was mafia day 1, I'D HAVE SHOT HIM

[Dunnstral]

I townread itlepip and xkf out of that group

[Dunnstral]

Hopefully you will show some RESPECT post-game

hopefully if you're town you learn to stop trying to drive meta lynches and use scum hunting instead. that's a an important lesson to be learned

Meta IS scumhunting

[Dunnstral]

don't understand how you scum read xkf.

[Dunnstral]

and you still can't verbalize how itlepip resembles the Stack the Deck game. bc that's the basis of that read unless you tell me otherwise

"still" ? Nobody asked

[Dunnstral]

Hopefully you will show some RESPECT post-game

hopefully if you're town you learn to stop trying to drive meta lynches and use scum hunting instead. that's a an important lesson to be learned

Meta IS scumhunting

mental note if you are town never play with you again

Gonna flip a coin on that one?

If you disagree there's nothing really to say. You have some bias against scumhunting via meta, it just so happens that I've played with or seen almost everyone in this game (which usually doesn't happen)

[Dunnstral]

meta is trash and proven incorrect over and over again. meta isn't scum hunting. meta is playing lazy and signs of imo a shit player.

[Dunnstral]

Well, I'd say some players are better about using meta than others.

[Dunnstral]

Hey Panther, you're really hung up over me. Do you still intend to lynch me today? If not, you're just fillering and avoiding picking a lynch while the deadline ticks down

we have like 18 hours, and I'm not going to be around for the end of that

[Dunnstral]

and you still can't verbalize how itlepip resembles the Stack the Deck game. bc that's the basis of that read unless you tell me otherwise

"still" ? Nobody asked

Itlepip isn't playing differently from when I saw him as town

can you briefly tell me:
what game you played with him as town, and how you'd characterize that town game
cite some 'thing' from this game (a post or two would be amazing) that made you say "aha! playing like that town game I saw from him"
if you think your read is good, sell it to me

you didn't do this^^ just like you can't/won't do with regard to zach

I think Dunn is pretty damn scummy

I just read itlepip's iso in the past two games I've played with him. Dunn said he's acting just like town self in Stack the Deck. THAT COULD NOT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH

Itlepip here has made SOFT votes the whole time--twice making a vote that said "voting X until Y happens", hasn't made scum reads in the way that I've seen (i.e. in this game there is no progression that follows from questions and sequences of solving) when in our other games, votes were made with confidence that a slot was really actually scummy

and the only real "push" in this game has been on Zach and the post reads as fake and unrighteous. especially considering he peeled off of it to vote massive and then now to put a loner vote on gerry when zach was an actual counterwagon

I can pull posts from town itlepip and then contrast them with this game if people want

but I would like to see itlepip become the competing wagon with dunn and with any luck we'll have s/s wagons. it's always best to have two strong competing wagons going into the end of a day to see where people go and force a choice.

VOTE: itlepip

so dunn and itlepip have been strong townreading each other the whole game and I just don't see how

I actually asked itlepip to explain where he thought dunn was super obvious town and he ignored that and came back with the pop-in to vote gerry

Spoiler:

I've already said why Dunn is my top town, his thought process is super transparent and really easy to see town mentality

hi itlepip. I hope to find what you've already said in my reread, but for quick reference, can you show me the posts you find to have a super transparent thought process and/or particularly towny mentality?

I'm fine with a gerry compromise ftr.

VOTE: Gerry

dunn has just said it's the same itlepip as stack the deck and that's a terribly weak fallback meta read that he cannot substantiate. I can and am willing if he wants to go toe to toe with me substantiate that there is a huge difference.

so them townreading each other for absolutely no reason probably means they're both just wolves trying to powerwolf and strong townread each other

the alternative world where only one is a wolf and they are just TMI'ing that the other is town bc there is no basis for that read is possible but not probable

the world where they're both town and have been obstinately refusing to explain their reads on each other and struggling to form coherent thoughts and contribute to the game would make me so disappointed in both of them that I can't bear to believe it's a possible world

you said nothing in response to either of these two posts.

I mean

I'm not quoting all the things you "missed". I didn't miss the first half either, I responded to those

[Dunnstral]

don't understand how you scum read xkf.

these posts were horrible. and remind me of how awkwardly xkf posted in the scum game we just played together.

Spoiler:

VOTE: TwoFace

Mine flipped tails.

tails means no rvs, which implies that is a serious vote so is that a serious vote?

You catch on quick.

tails means no rvs, which implies that is a serious vote so is that a serious vote?

You catch on quick.

so why is your vote serious?

I think your "coin flip" was fake.

well it wasn't, but even if it was that would make you want to seriously vote me?

if you are town

I would seriously vote you for far less reasons.

he backpedals it later and this post reads very fake:

Spoiler:

i'm going to learn hard town on toto right now.

Why?

@grapes - because he's painfully obvious town. His actions look genuine to me. His response that he was accused of being coached look genuine.

@dunn - mainly for post 114 (but tbh none of your posts make me get a town vibe). No way town makes that post. It's obvious he was sharing his thoughts and even VI's (which I didn't get the impression he was) and n00bs (which he probably is) are perfectly capable of doing. He's an easy target for scum to go after. Then I saw the very next post and that screams scum. Who freaking cares if massive dropped an Rvs vote and didn't comment on anything else. It's not AI at all. You then accuse him of ignoring the game which you don't even know it's true(which he later confirms isn't).

It's basically seems like you are trying too hard and being very manipulative

Full disclosure here. All the stuff I said earlier about my vote on you being serious, none of that was serious. Well, it was serious, I just wasn't seriously scum reading you.

NOW, however, I am, and my vote will remain on you.

minor ding for feeling the need to say he was town in this post

Spoiler:

How so?

Went from looking like a vi to knowing exactly what they're talking about

The way they talked was different along with what they were saying

This is the post Twoface says "no town would make"

Which is weird, because I'm town and it's pretty much exactly what I was thinking.

Didn't like his quick jump onto naomi after massive 'slip' thing

And then the rest of his ISO is a whole bunch of arguing over nothing. he isn't inquiring into things to read alignments. posts like these are not solving the game:

Spoiler:

Gerry and Maria basically will never really go after each other cause they are friends. It's why they probably should y be allowed to play together but whatever. It's not up to me.

I have seen Maria push her friends in the past, and vice versa. Your claim is simply false.

the proper question is how anyone sensible is SRing Zach

It's really not that hard of a scum read, to be honest.

Hello,

I'm having a hard time following the conversation here. I will try to catch up today or tomorrow and post my thoughts. So far I agree with itlepip and others on Zach's filler posts. Seems like a scummy thing to cloud the conversation, but I don't know if he always just behaves like this.

There really isn't much of anything to follow. Just a bunch of back and forth bickering and childish "you're dumb" comments.

Basically, unwarranted large egos getting in the way of good scum hunting.

Gerry and Maria basically will never really go after each other cause they are friends. It's why they probably should y be allowed to play together but whatever. It's not up to me.

I have seen Maria push her friends in the past, and vice versa. Your claim is simply false.

Well she admitted that's what she's doing this game so naturally I'm going to think it's going to be like that in other games.

Again, false.

Are you having trouble reading?

Are you? She said she's giving Gerry a free pass day 1 cause they are friends.

I am. Which is how I know that isn't what she said.

What she ACTUALLY said was that Gerry doesn't do anything in D1, but he does do more after that. And she knows that because they are friends.

And she never said anything about giving him a "free pass." Those were your words.

pedit: Went back and read a little huh?

Nope not talking about you. Not even sure why he felt the need to bring it back up or why I was stupid enough to engage him. It's not relevant to the game.

It's extremely relevant, actually.

How?

Because what you said about Maria was false. Anyone can see that. You basically admitted as much after having a little reread.

Now, if you were intentionally making it up, in order to push an agenda, then that would make you scum and Maria town.

If you genuinely believed what you were saying about Maria, and were just wrong, then you're more than likely town, and it's a null look on Maria.

So yeah, pretty relevant. Just probably not in the way you were thinking.

Even if I were scum I'd still believe what I said because that's what she actually implies. My opinion of her statement wouldn't change based on my alignment which is why it's not game relevant. Thanks for proving to me yet again you should probably be ignored

She didn't imply that. Not even close. You're still wrong. Repeating it over and over isn't going to suddenly make it true.

Opinions are non AI. If you haven't figured that out yet why are you even playing this game?

Opinions, just like anything else, can be faked.

Scum can give genuined opinions sure, but town ALWAYS (for the most part) give genuine opinions. So, not all opinions are NAI.

That being said, MY opinion of Maria's statement is the same as Twoface's -- that she's purposefully giving gerry a pass today. But honestly, she's giving everyone a pass today, she just has a "reason" for this one.

I'm actually not arguing that she's isn't giving him a pass today. That much is true.

I'm arguing that she isn't giving him a pass today because they are friends. She is giving him a pass today because of meta reasons that suggest he will be useful D2 and beyond.

I'm trying to paint the picture here but it's the overall body of work

Then he just came back in simultaneously saying he has switched from townreading me to scumreading me while also saying that he didn't read any dunn:zach back and forth which doesn't add up

First spoiler: I don't think any of those posts are awkward or off at all. You have to realize this was straight out of rvs, while you replaced in at a later time so lookingback on it it could look different

Second: I don't personally have a problem with that post but I can see how you could

Third: You're taking this out of contxt. It's not that he felt the need to say he was town, he was responding to me over something twoface had said (I liked this post)

Naomi slip thing: Sure

Fourth: Sure, though I wouldn't vote him based off of his early game which I liked

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You can respond to my xkfyu stuff

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I just did

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Love how everyone disappears as soon as I claim and don't acknowledge that they have to figure out who to lynch

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if nobody is willing to lynch zach, who else would you most like to see lynched. two people preferably, and why

Willing to lynch toto, you, nosferatu, naomi

Last two for the hit and run voting me

Not willing to lynch twoface anymore

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it's so foreign to me to see you not have broad focus. even as scum you talked about a lot of people (though you spent a whole hell of a lot of time tunneling a teammate)

Well, it's because I feel I have this game narrowed down.

I told you I was scumreading you because I'm playing so different from when I was scum yet you didn't seem to acknowledge it

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That's not the only reason

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this is what we call self-meta

I wasn't using it as a reason to townread myself, though. I was using it as a personal reason to scumread you

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semantically different. you're pointing to your own meta. you're taking it a step further by basing a scumread on me on what you declare is your town meta that I should recognize

else I'm scum

give me a fucking break man.

Remember when you said I had an undertone that implied you were town?

That's also self meta in a way, and it's also kind of what you're doing here

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zach just filler posts

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the only person I'd be willing to lynch out of all of those is Nos

Everybody needs to get online and vote to avoid a nolynch.

VOTE: Nosferatu

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You of all people should know that we need to "consolidate" our lynch