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Math suddenly going from strong townread on me to lame meta read + me feeling 'off'.

Same with House basically quoting like 10 of my posts being like, "yeh good town posts" while admitting BBT is anti-town but should still lynch me because *hunch BBT is PR*

Also no idea why he'd draw attention to a PR or why as a town player House would be so invested in getting BBT NK'd. Either scumbuddies or some shit or fishing counter-claims maybe.

Either way there's no town motivation for Houses play. If the wagon got strong and BBT was at risk of lynch, he can claim for himself obviously. He's not a retard so not sure why House has to pre-claim for BBT on his behalf when he's not even close to lynch. Dumb af.

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Anyway the premature claim by House sets up BBT to either get NK'd and it leaves zero trail for us to follow because mafia would be dumb to let Cop live as Town Doc is dead. Martha claiming meant the day1 NK meant fkn nothing because duh, no shit she was getting killed. Now it's same situation for BBT. Why does House engineer such a shitty town situation?

If BBT lives it's all fucking wifom too and this game is going to progress NOWHERE for town until these slots start flipping. It's 100% optimal play for town to lynch in these slots.

Also Chuck tunneling Expedience endlessly is as awful as Ryan's play. He's a non-contributor to town, even if he has a strong scumread there's still a shitload of other significant goings on but he doesn't show any interest.

Chuck/House/BBT

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Where? And why would you highlight it prematurely when he's not even at risk of lynch?

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What's the town motivation in that? Scummy af play and if he did then it makes BBT town but not you (:

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Why do we think BBT is cop anyway?

Just a hunch. Could well be wrong.

Hell, I probably am.

Also gtfo with "you haven't read a thing" - you said right here that it was "just a hunch" and "could well be wrong" but apparently I haven't read a thing you've posted?

Do YOU even know what you're posting?

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No what's scummy shit is that you out this prematurely meaning that this night's kill is totally surrounded with wifom and fucking impossible to draw patterns from, simultaneously buddying the suspected town PR and trying to push against his primary scumread.

Followed by right now going from, "rb is town and it was a matter of if it is rb vs. BBT" - but this isn't rb vs. BBT and you're voting me - explain.

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Rofl if you're actually town right now BBT you're so shit to fall for House's play rn.

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Lol, moron.

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Wait wait, what happened to Mathblade/Golden lynch BBT?

Your top scumread is scumreading me, you aligning with them? What a gr8 player.

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Dier first please House?

Why? Do you think a Dier flip is informative for rb's alignment? Because right now I'm smelling scum desperate for a mislynch.

Lol, fear post.

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I'm not twisting anything tbh. I think you're scum and that it doesn't actually matter whether BBT is PR or not, the idea was to buddy BBT and build momentum on a counterwagon.

I know that you were answering question, what I'm saying is that you're blatantly buddying BBT because you think he'd be unlynchable as you suspect he's PR, so the best thing to do is out him as PR, gain his trust and use his conftowniness to push on a mislynch that BBT would approve of.

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Simultaneously making any NK choice a total clusterfuck of wifom to analyse. You're literally setting up scum for multiple mislynches in a row with this play.

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Um yes, it looks just like buddying because here's the thing: even though you had me as strong townread you said "if it comes down to it" you'd still lynch me, with no thought to point out that maybe we should just avoid rb vs. BBT since you think both of us are town, derp.

Instead you make sure not to discourage the idea, allowing the idea to continue on and let a fight between someone you think is conftown (BBT) contibue fighting with a strong townread (me).

That's not townplay.

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Yeh I've acknowledged it, what I'm saying is that House seeing BBT making an innocent claim makes BBT town, not you.

Look where my vote is and has been for a while

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Ugh, maybe I'm being blindsided by Dier. I've seen town do what they did early game and got them mislynched for it. I just dislike that this game is like a 'lynch the lurker' lottery.

VOTE: Dier

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The game is up.

Your time has come rb.

Scum running the choo choo train.

Telling his partner he is getting bussed.

Math you can't be serious :/

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Did you look at the 3 games I mentioned or can you elaborate on what's 'off'?

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Dier would happen if you joined the wagon House.

What is your read on him?

Dier is hard for me to read because he's so unnervingly calculating. My kneejerk response is to lynch him, but his posts are just so... reasonable. I don't have the "Ew, reeks of teh scumz" like I do with rb.

I was hoping to have something more to go on toMorrow so I could feel better about his wagon.

If Dier flips scum House is confscum.

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Like I can't actually figure out why House's read on me changed from town to scum, it's ludicrous.

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Lol I really don't wanna re-read this game again but I feel like I need to.

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Thoughts on House/BBT/Ryan scumteam?

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Would BBT fake an inno? I think BBT would fake an inno, but whatever...if we have a real Cop then they can just CC tomorrow.

I still think House is a really shitty slot to leave alive because ime the people who out PR's are usually scum. Sometimes you have some really derp town who does it but it's rare. Scum are the ones PR hunting the most and tend to see PR tells the best because town don't really look explicitly for PR's as it's better and easier to just find scum.

The fact House actually pieces together a PR claim from BBT and feels the need to announce it makes me suspicious af. Just gonna remove my BBT/Ryan scumreads as I re-read why BBT is apparently PR and it makes sense. Can't help but feel it could be fake/staged with mafia daytalk but whatever, can't tinfoil hat that hard.

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House/Dier is viable, House/Ryan isn't when I consider it.

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Expedience I don't even remember why I was townreading, but from my POV the unlikely combos where if one flips red the other is basically conftown are:

BBT/Math
House/Ryan
Dier/BBT
Chuck/Expedience

I don't think any of these slots can be scum aligned with the other and I think if we can get the correct red flip in there town will win from there because Ryan is apparently innocent along with BBT. I think Math is town so we lynch Dier/Chuck/Expedience.

I actually prefer Chuck over Dier.

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House is gameplay's replacement, you can't really think they're scumbuddies :/

Also bad distancing? Lolwut?

Chuck has been tunneling Expedience for an entire game. Since like halfway through Day 1 he has pretty much done nothing but try to lynch Expedience.

Also we agree that if BBT flips red House is likely partner.

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Math you're really irritating me because I townread you and I want to work but your insistence I'm scum is just bad. You're basing it off a meta that's my actual personality and your points just don't make sense pls stahp.

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The fact House actually pieces together a PR claim from BBT

1) never said he claimed a PR.
2) I was asked a question, and stumbled across those posts in the course of my ISO, which made me wonder how someone could 180 their read over the course of the night phase.
3) Your reaching is terribad.

You almost had a meltdown when I said BBT was a viable lynch because you're apparently very sure that he's a PR. Wtf are you reading that you think I'm "reaching"? I'm just paraphrasing things YOU YOURSELF FUCKING SAID.

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Oh my fucking god it's like you have absolutely no capability of reading between the lines at all.

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It makes me feel like I'm gonna have an aneurysm to have to explain this, but here goes:

You interpreted his play as BBT being a PR. You PIECED IT TOGETHER. I'm not saying that you said or that BBT said, "I am PR".

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I am like 90% sure there's scum in the lurkers.

Cass slot is scum. Chuck is a good lynch. Pitoli was at one point my strongest TR in the whole game. Dier I really dunno. I like their recent posts? I swear there is like at least 1 scum in that group Expedience unless Pitoli turns up scum which would mean I fucked up early game.

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Saru is actually my strongest townread at this point. There is no trust left in this town. It would be really funny if everyone arguing was town though.

I'm leaning towards all of rb, BBT, House and Mathblade being town. But even the fact that I am grouping them feels like a bad sign, I'm super muddled. There's like a delocalised scum orbital between you guys

House reactions I actually have liked more that's why I unvoted. I dunno if Math is town or not because they keep insisting rly annoying stuff that makes no sense. They flip flop in ways that don't make sense.

@BBT I dunno if you remember things correctly. What I was suspicious of in Newbie 1727 is entirely different to here. People changing reads isn't always scummy. It can't be. The way you changed read in 1727 was the most opportunistic and obvious scum thing that could possibly have happened from my POV and it was you trying to lynch one of my strongest townreads.

This isn't even remotely similar - you're townreading one of my townreads. Even if I thought you were doing other scum things it doesn't mean every single thing you do is scummy.

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Like Math won't even double check their meta read against completed games I've had and they have it backwards. I'm more confrontational as town than scum, it's just I wasn't directly confrontational to them specifically because when we played I liked their slot and I townread them.

I can't contest a claim like, "you're being 'off'" either so I just have this nagging voice trying to lynch me with nothing but miscinceptions about what my towngame is meant to look like.

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Or maybe Expedience is scum who knows. Every time I try to sort slots I go around and around in circles.

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VOTE: Chuck

I like this more and more.

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Chuck is scum.

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Huh, I think I wanna lynch Spyrex if Dier flips scum.

If Ryan was scum I'm going to give up playing Mafia.

Really does not sound like a PR statement.

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I rly don't think Dier is gonna flip scum. I'm like 90% sure right now they aren't scum it doesn't make sense.

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Being at L-1 on Day2 is indeed not indicative of being hard to catch.

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BBT and Chuck are scum.

3rd I don't know but House isn't a good lynch imo.

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I dunno who Cass is now but that slot is probably scum too.

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Okay so camn is Cass. That's really sad because I liked camn so far.

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I really like games I wanna play this game camn can we play a game?

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Also Expedience being JK makes me wonder if there's an investigative role in this game at all. Cop+Doc+JK? Seems opie unless there's a dogfather?

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Also Expedience being JK makes me wonder if there's an investigative role in this game at all. Cop+Doc+JK? Seems opie unless there's a dogfather?

Do we really want to discuss this right now?

Just speculating, don't care either way.

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I'm up for being lynched tbh, I'm VT and getting bored of this game. 2 PR's dead and by pure numbers there's some literally shit play going on by town. There's more dumb players than there are scum and I don't care much for the game at this point.

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Like Dier was town but I read him as a non-entity. About all he did was say I'm town. Great, he had one read that was right and it was a townread. Woo, go Dier!

If RyanK was town, another useless slot. Spyrex enters into game for Ryan and quickhammers a townslot, what an absolute lord of a player.

Chuck apparently is town? If he is then wow, sick job doing nothing but tunnel a fucking obvtown slot from Day 1 which turned out to be town PR.

Martha played the entirety of the game like a drunk toddler and now apparently we want to pretend like this is all a big surprise that town's losing.

Lynch BBT/Chuck/House and then camn if House flips town somehow. BBT or Chuck will flip scum, 100% certainty. If BBT is scum, so is House. If Chuck is scum Math is scum. If only Chuck it's likely both.

Saru if scum, deserves to win. In fact, scum just outright deserve to win regardless because of how many town have thrown this game.

I refuse to discuss anything that isn't lynching BBT/Chuck/House.

Lynch me if you want, I don't give a fuck because this town played like actual shit and I don't think it even deserves to win, so I'd rather lose than try to carry it (not saying I could, just saying I don't even want to try at this point.)

Congrats on throwing game town. Congrats to scum for typing /in at the signup thread

VOTE: BBT

Chugga-chugga choo choo!

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VOTE: House

Okay then, chugga chugga choo choo!

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I'll be sure to skip the cases part.

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If anyone wants me to answer stuff just put @rb in your post so I can ignore it.

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Also once again i see a mess of talk about bbt cop that just doesn't make sense. I'm still missing that side of it.

It's scum!House trying to get a townread imo. Or defending buddy.

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Ok, I will calm...but I have to sort this out. It bothers me, like that ice cream that is three flavors all next to each other. I hate it. I like one flavor at a time. I always cut it into its components and separate them.

@rb (or anyone who remembers)
I see rumour you (rb) claimed vanilla.
When did that happen, do you remember? It's relevant.

Like just before. I'm over the game so I claimed and don't intend to do anything that doesn't involve lynching BBT/Chuck/House.

Chuck is best lynch.

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This House thing is boring anyway, VOTE: Chuck

This slot is scum just kill it already.

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Also I've changed my mind on Math. Their read of me as scum was some meta read, but since beginning the read they haven't even TRIED to explain a single reason for it. There's the possibility BBT is town and I was wrong.

But we should kill Math later imo. Kill Chuck, the slot is scum.

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Chuck House and RB sitting in a PT
S-C-U-M-M-I-N-G

My intestines hate your posts rb

I'm town so your intestines are calibrated wrong. Or maybe you ingested a bad case of scum-itis :p

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This is why everyone should have just sheeped me in the first place.

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Can we lynch BBT now? Thanks.

VOTE: BBT

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Also there's 1 bussing scum on House's wagon looking for towncred.

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Oh BBT was on his wagon, probably him.

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If people pity you and don't lynch you I'm gonna flip a table or 25.

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Also if I get NK'd I'd like this town to not go full-potato mode and vanity-vote shitty lynch targets and/or try to pick the last 2 remaining scum or find scumteams with honestly SHIT association tells like we did for 90+ pages, and instead look at House/Gameplay who are confirmed scum flips and find his scumpartners by reading through scum-confirmed interactions.

Anyone who does anything else and isn't scum is an idiot.

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UNVOTE: BBT

Reading through House's filter, want to double check some things first.

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Preliminary thought is that Mathblade is scum actually, so maybe you're not that bad BBT

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I feel like their interactions from when House replaced in are pretty damning and I wonder if THAT early on House would have been more concerned with distancing from Math, thinking he was going to get lynched OR trying to help protect them and make the scum-team stronger.

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Okay so I'm done with House's ISO, thoughts in a nutshell:

Probably not scum:
Chuck/Math is very unlikely and that's really annoying. UNLESS the scumteam figured out camn was cop early in Day 3 and just deliberately distanced. Need input on this. If Math is scum with House, they distance well.
This is kind of ass-backwards but I think that BBT and House aren't scumteam, despite how hard House sucks up to BBT. Would he be THAT obvious? I don't know. I feel like it's almost too blatant and forced, like he wouldn't do that with his actual scumbuddy.

Potential scumbuddies:
Saru (distances from the slot that seems lurky, doesn't really pressure it properly. It reads to me almost like, "hey yo, be more active bud" but in a like, "look at me being townie and pressuring lurkers to help us!" kind of way.
Pitoli/Titus - basically ignores this slot entirely?

N/A:
Spyrex doesn't have much interaction with, but he's a claimed vig? Seems a bit fishy, this town has so many fucking PR's? LOL.

Others are free to disagree with me about BBT, I can still lynch there because there's a chance I'm wrong about it being 'too obvious' - it's just a gut feeling I had.

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LOL sorry BBT, I don't know about Math.

Early ISO is a yes, later on is a no.

I think the early should be more damning though?

Do you think Saru/Titus could be scum? What about Spyrex?

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Everyone go through House's ISO for me, tell me who the most likely scumbuddies and least likely scumbuddies are. Ta.

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Also anyone who says I might be scum needs to stop playing mafia. I spent 90+ pages trying to get gameplay/House lynched and if anyone says I might be scum I'm going to find you and flip your table.

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(pls not that wasn't a real threat is intended for comedic purposes only)

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Chuck and RB for the wins people.

VOTE: Chuck

I was the Mislynch wagon yesterday and RB pushes it today.

Lol, Math is actually scum. You were right BBT.

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BBT did vote Math anyway and he got really annoyed at me getting off the wagon. So it's wrong to say he didn't push for lynch on Math's slot.

VOTE: Math

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L-1

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UNVOTE: Math

Actually I want more time to digest this.

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3 questions I want everyone to answer:

1. Do you think BBT is too obvious to be House's scumbuddy?
2. Do you think Math/House interactions are distancing?
3. Who's the scummiest player, ignoring House flip?

Kgo. I'll answer last.

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Don't explain townreads tyvm kthx scum have daychat don't do it for the love of all that is holy it doesn't matter pls no.

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I think this game already features too many adaptable scum and I want to not give them more ability to adapt to our filters.

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3 questions I want everyone to answer:

1. Do you think BBT is too obvious to be House's scumbuddy?
2. Do you think Math/House interactions are distancing?
3. Who's the scummiest player, ignoring House flip?

Kgo. I'll answer last.

1. No.
2. Yes.
3. MathBlade

I have to be pedantic, sorry but bear with me.

Do you think Math/House interactions are distancing because you scumread Math independently, or do you really think those interactions look like distancing?

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Adaptable? What drink is that you've got cause I'm due.

We've spent 90% of this game going in circles because whoever is scum is playing on people's filters. Anyway it's already explained let's just move on.

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Math/Saru scumteam?

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Okay, I feel like I might have just been wrong about Math. I scumread Golden earlier, Math's entrance was good but now they just keep repeating stuff like a broken record.

Saru just disappears any time his slot isn't under pressure, he comes in to argue points but doesn't help us solve game.

P-edit: I think scum must be in Math/Saru/BBT/Pitoli.

Us 3 are town.

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And rb, don't lie, you don't hate to be pedantic; I've just sat through four days of you doing just that.

I said I 'have to' not that I 'hate to' and yes that's why I said sorry you big boob.

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But it's necessary and everyone should have been sheeping me from page 1 onwards until I got fearkilled by scum ^_^

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lmfao Math is right. This rb/Chuck scum team is so obvious right now holy shit.

How nice of rb to completely let go of the slot he branded as scum yesterday and now today is totally town. And how nice of Chuck to just drop rb from the whole rb/Math scum team he had going on yesterday and just focus on Math. This is just a fucking beauty, I tell ya. These two scum are collaborating so hard in the scum PT right now, I can basically picture it post for post. Notice how rb and Chuck have started asking questions that explicitly can be answered by each other(given their positions atm) with such ease. Basically, these two concocted a plan yesterday to just act chill with each other and ask questions that can help each other get rid of their mutual scum reads. I bet they're making up questions in the PT as they go along or are just laughing their asses off at Spyre and BBT for falling for all this. Probably both.

I have to be pedantic, sorry but bear with me.

Do you think Math/House interactions are distancing because you scumread Math independently, or do you really think those interactions look like distancing?

And rb, don't lie, you don't hate to be pedantic; I've just sat through four days of you doing just that.

I said I 'have to' not that I 'hate to' and yes that's why I said sorry you big boob.

Never before in my life have I been as tickled to be referred to as a big boob.

You two need to get a room. Leave this smooching for the scum PT, kthxbai.
VOTE: rb

At least try not to look like you're flailing.

Yeah man sick associative tells. Even though I tried for 90+ pages to try to get the gameplay/House slot lynched, I'm scum right? Because I had such good reason to start trying to lynch my scumbuddy from page 3 when neither of us were under any pressure at all, right?

VOTE: Saru

I'd like to see Math vote where their mouth was before RE: saying that one of me or Saru must be scum. Time to back up your words Math.

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But it's necessary and everyone should have been sheeping me from page 1 onwards until I got fearkilled by scum ^_^

Disagree, except yes you were right on gameplay.

I'm not sure why my huge townread on you gradually disappeared. But it did.
Maybe it was scum just playing the "don't push lynches, just passively undermine townreads all game" strategy which I have seen time and again.

Personally I'm inclined to reread everything, because I think a mislynch today puts us in a bind of sorts, but I never seem to have time. And to be frank I don't want to slog through.

Your townread disappeared because you fell for chainsaw defense and gameplay's constant, "rb is butthurt lmaooooo" shtick.

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Also Chuck, there's 2 scum in BBT/Math/Saru/Pitoli.

Just lynch within those and we win.

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Actually that'd put is at MyLo on Day 5 so we have to get at least one right in the next 2 days. I think this should start with Math/BBT - one of them is scum.

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UNVOTE: Saru

I'm pretty sure he's scum but I'm more sure that we should lynch Math first, then BBT and then Saru.

Couple with the fact I feel like pitoli/Titus slot is town I think it's almost irrelevant tbh - we can just lynch Math/BBT/Saru and game is won. Ez.

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Let ME kNow HoW Yoou FeElelLLEl

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Hey Chuck buddy, Saru is onto us should we stop faking interactions now???

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OMFG I MEANT THAT FOR THE SCUM PT SO SORRY GG I LOST THE GAME

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Also Saru the reason I know Chuck is town is because it's obvious that the scum figured out camn had a guilty on House and they more likely jumped on his wagon for towncred than sat there opposing the lynch like Chuck did. Chuck is derptown, not scum.

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At least try not to look like you're flailing.

Yeah man sick associative tells. Even though I tried for 90+ pages to try to get the gameplay/House slot lynched, I'm scum right? Because I had such good reason to start trying to lynch my scumbuddy from page 3 when neither of us were under any pressure at all, right?

VOTE: Saru

I'd like to see Math vote where their mouth was before RE: saying that one of me or Saru must be scum. Time to back up your words Math.

See the funny thing is, that was your exact plan. Of course gameplay wasn't going to be speed lynched like 10 mins into D1. And it's even funnier how you treated him all of D1. You scum read him hardcore like the first few minutes, but then you vote someone else, and then after a "re-read" you go back to voting gameplay. By the time you re-voted him, his wagon was long gone. You unvoted him at something like L-2 or L-1 and then re-voted when he was in no danger of ever being lynched again. You two fought each other all day to fake activity and to create distancing. And lo and behold, it worked!

Don't accuse me of "flailing" when you vote me only after I point all this out. You don't actually think I'm scum. You never really did.

Regardless of your alignment I feel like I'm losing IQ points just reading these words.

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But yes you got me my exact plan was to tunnel my scumbuddy for 95 pages when such a plan would ALWAYS lead to either him or me getting copped/investigated at some point just to sort the stupidity. I'm scum and deliberately throwing the game with a stupid bus like that. Good one.

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Oh okay, so because a player who isn't me in a different game did this and was scum, I must be scum for doing some similar thing in a different game.

You got me!

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Also there were people hesitant to get ON the House wagon because they thought me being on it made it suspicious. So I got OFF it to make them get on. Yes I'm really that good at mafia that I can manipulate people who scumread me into doing what I want. I'll give you lessons for $90/hour if you want?

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Hey Saru did you know that something you're doing in this game was done by a scum player to a town player at some point in history, and therefore you're scum? Checkmate!

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Also if I get NK'd I'd like this town to not go full-potato mode and vanity-vote shitty lynch targets and/or try to pick the last 2 remaining scum or find scumteams with honestly SHIT association tells like we did for 90+ pages, and instead look at House/Gameplay who are confirmed scum flips and find his scumpartners by reading through scum-confirmed interactions.

Anyone who does anything else and isn't scum is an idiot.

I feel like this is a good time to reiterate this.

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Titus did you know that in one game there was a player who said a thing similar to a thing you said in this game and they were scum, therefore you're scum.

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Oh sorry, you were just throwing shade and not making any real argument. Got it.

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I mean, why didn't you just say so?

VOTE: Saru

Just kill this scum already, it's annoying af.

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Actually I'm so no sure whether Titus is town or not anymore. LOL.

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UNVOTE: Saru

Sigh, we should just kill Math/BBT like I said. There's more chance Saru flips town than either of those imo.

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VC 3.04

House (5)

: SpyreX, MathBlade, BlueBoodedToffee,

camn

,

House

Chuck (1)

:rb

MathBlade (1)

: Chuck

Not Voting:

Saru, Titus

With 9 alive, the majority is 5.

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-10-09 16:06:30)

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Cass definitely checked me night 1.

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VC 3.04

House (5)

: SpyreX, MathBlade, BlueBoodedToffee,

camn

,

House

Chuck (1)

:rb

MathBlade (1)

: Chuck

Not Voting:

Saru, Titus

With 9 alive, the majority is 5.

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-10-09 16:06:30)

I feel like House would have let scum!Chuck who was active at the time hammer him for more towncred. I think there's likely one scum on the wagon too although tbh Math got on pretty damn early.

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Cass definitely checked me night 1.

This is related to when I said that Cass must be scum. She knew my role in this game somehow, but I didn't take into account she could be investigative. Her being investigative made it clear. Ongoing games and all that, but Cass checked my alignment Night 1.

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That basically means the scum must be in Chuck/Saru/Titus

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I don't know what to read BBT because House's buddying was SOO obvious it's almost TOO obvious.

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@Math: Spyrex claimed 1-shot vig.

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I can't say because ongoing games but Cass knew my role in this game.

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Or maybe she just had a super-mega-strong townread of me somehow because she was very sure I was town here.

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My god. You're idiots.

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Or scummiots. One of the two.

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Math just vote Saru you won't be disappointed.

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Anyway my motivation for the game is once again gone because this town is just pure fucking retarded and deserves to lose if it lynches me here despite the fact I'm the only fucking person who's even advocated for a scum lynch the entire game.

VOTE: Mathblade

Leaving this here, Math/Saru are scum and if they're not then they played absolutely fucking abysmal, along with at least 4-5 other town players. Can't do much about more than 50% of the town playing with the cognitive capacity of drunk toddlers.

Like if Titus is scum, she deserves to win right now because she's the only player using brains.

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And also Pitoli duped like the entire town if that's the case, so really just deserves to win if scum.

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I am eliminated because I am town.
Saru is eliminated because he replicated something I was looking for in 1800. This is their town game
BBT is eliminated because Camn likely checked SpyreX and got vig.
SpyreX is eliminated because Camn likely checked them and got vig.

This leaves Chuck Titus and RB. Or the entire team is BBT+SpyreX. (Doubting the latter a lot)

This townread of Saru is so shit. Rofl.

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Oh right, BBT is town because Camn checked Spyrex.

This makes sense because...........because.....

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Welcome to Mini 1825, where the town only lynches scum when they get a guilty claim and otherwise spend the game lynching super easy and pointless targets like Glitch + Dierfire.

In fact it's really sad if Saru is town that he doesn't realise how abysmal these single-game meta-reads are after he was so blatantly wrong about his Dierfire read. But nah just keep sticking to that method and being wrong. Don't try to like improve as a player or use braincells or something, that'd be too hard right?

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@Math, who was bussing if not BBT? Why do BBT/Spyrex share an alignment in your view?

@RB, Not ever voting you or Spyrex. I just am trying to narrow scum. I know I am taking awhile.

Can you talk to me about BBT?

If you're scum it's okay you deserve to win ^_^

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Anyway I'm going to go lift heavy things and put them back down again. I'll be back a bit later.

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That's fine, so vote Saru/Chuck :^)

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Actually, everyone should really read Gameplay's ISO here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Townreads the fuck out of Naomi (Expedience) + Pitoli (Titus)

Odds that one of these are scum?

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rb you are doing what you did which made me lose my town read on you in the first place. Which now I remember. It was, you went from being a strong leader-type with conviction in your reads... to a pandering waffle house.

You've just gone from a strong read on the me/you/SpyreX triangle and a scum read on Math, to arguing with Saru (who is making a lot of sense) and agreeing with MathBlade (who is talking moonbeams and getting basic facts wrong).

Return your vote to MathBlade.

Preview: and now all of this is moot because I started writing this post and then had to do something else and when I finished it there were 20+ ninja posts.

Aaaand, two more.

Aaaaand, another.

Changing and adapting reads to new information IS WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO FUCKING DO AS TOWN IN THIS GAME.

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I was scumreading Gameplay :p

I'll check the other stuff.

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Chuck you need to understand that simply having strong conviction and tunneling people does NOT make someone town - even if you're town and that's how you play. Look @ what Gameplay did for his entire game - he didn't budge from Ryan ONCE for the entire time he was in the game. He had more conviction than any other player in the game and.... ta-da!!!! It was a scum slot. So gtfo with this conviction = town and waffling = scum.

Glitch waffled. Dierfire waffled. Martha was the fucking WAFFLE QUEEN and Naomi probably runs an intergalactic corporate congolomerate of Waffle Houses selling waffles to all manner of space-faring creatures. All of them are town. Okay? OKAY?

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ROFL Math.

You can't seriously see me and Chuck as scumteam.

Can everyone please read the iso's of the flipped scum (gameplay/house) and find scum from there instead of these absolutely retarded association tells? We're doing exactly what we did for Days 1 and 2 _YET AGAIN_ and making a big complicated clusterfuck out of this game when we don't need to.

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Yeah, Saru is scum. Book it.

VOTE: Saru

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I also think BBT was right and Golden/Math is probably scum.

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BBT is potential scum, so if we haven't won with Saru + Math lynch then we lynch BBT and the game is won. I also think Chuck is not scum because whenever I townread him he gets more suspicious of me and he hasn't ever really tried to use my townread of him to go anywhere or get anything done. I doubt this slot is scum also based on Gameplay's dislike of him.

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I'll kill either of them so okay.

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VOTE: Mathknife

LUL, I'm makin' so many WAFFLES.

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I wish I could make my pronoun ice-cream.

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^ that last post by Math makes me not think they're scum though. Like every time Math posts I understand how they think what they think even though I think they're wrong.

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We agree. I don't like that we agree. It scares me when you agree with me Titus.

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Sigh if Math is actually town and somehow thinks I'm scum, I'm actually done.

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I had a gut-read on Math as town which makes me think they're gonna flip town.

If Math flips town someone plz remind me to never use logic because my gut is the best and logic sux.

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Omg Titus stop it you're giving me away just like Chuck was giving me away!

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I'm just gonna go to the gym because I can't take the suspense.

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This is the Day 3 Twilight RVS phase.

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I won't die because there's multiple people who want to lynch me.

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And it looks really bad because Math looks like my counterwagon. So, if scum NK me then they're the worst scum ever.

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Half-life 4 confirmed.

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Guys. Guys.
If we pulled it together and went three in a row I'm so proud

We won't. I think Math is town based on their posts now.

Unless they're just trolling us then w0000w

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Okay I've been sitting in a dark room playing mafia for like 3 hours now and I'm gonna get stuck in traffic on the way home if I leave any later. Truck faffic.

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Part of me also hopes were all town and bbt and saru are just like what the shit happened

This is my artist's impression of what a BBT + Saru scumteam would look like right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g20_8-TPyTQ

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We've got it its not hard to follow that drum beat it's like hippies on the beach all damn night

You get high, I will get drunk.

ARE YOU GOING TO ANSWER MY QUESTION?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8j0eqZKTjpk

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Sigh. Shoulda just lynched Saru/BBT :/

I hate when I second guess my gut. Never mistrusting my gut ever again.

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Spyrex, the scum are BBT/Saru.

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Or Chuck instead of Saru.

BBT is 100% scum though. Look at interactions between House/BBT/Chuck. Makes so much fucking sense as a team.

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Or lol, Chuck/Saru?

I wonder if these two slots even interact with one another ever. Will have to check. BBT if you're town don't lynch me. Ta.

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Yeah, I already explained that's me playing selfish because saying that means I won't be NK'd.

You clinging to that is the good times.

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Just look through the ISO of House/Gameplay instead of being dumb and doing everything but. The scumteams that make sense should be found from there, not tinfoil hat association tell theories.

Titus was NK'd for being the town player left in the game using her brain.

Also I want every town player to consider the following:
- rb scum means some ridicilous theatrics between gameplay + me
- rb scum means that I opposed wagons on Dier+Math+Expedience with all kinds of excuses to get on
- rb scum makes no sense at all and I'm actually fucking amazed that MathBlade flipped town because the way they tunneled me was insanely stupid for town to so
- I'm just writing stuff that should be self-evident to anyone with an IQ higher than the average dog.

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I lynched Math because Titus was the only slot worth sheeping and no one wanted to kill Saru/you.

I actually don't care about this game. This town played like actual fucking garbage and I have no real motivation to have a big long argument with scum players for the meagre reward of carrying half a dozen terrible players to a win.

Let me know when we're lynching BBT/Chuck. Bye.

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Oh somehow this post didn't go through, but there's a reason Titus is dead when she said: I will never vote rb.

Because the scum wanted to mislynch me today. Rb scum kills Titus last night? ROFL. Please.

BBT is either a full blown retard or he's scum.

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Use brain, remove tinfoil hats and understand how rb scum is borderline impossible.

Also lol @ BBT trying to use the opinions of the dead cop to solidify his shade-throwing instead of his own thoughts. If you're town then wow you're actually just turd.

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K I'm done here, the scum are in BBT/Saru/Chuck.

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Sorry lol. I mean it conditionally and in relation to mafia.

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BBT gives no reasons for reads all game, now he wants then.

Blatantly defends House/gameplay slot and vice versa.

Saru + BBT are the scum.

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Spyrex I already told you what to do: look through gameplay/House ISO and see who actually makes sense. It's the only intelligent thing to do when you have a scumflip.

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VOTE: BBT

He's scum.

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With Saru.

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Notice how BBT only has a single scum read with 2 scum left in Lylo? Yeah because he's pushing for his single mislynch, not solving the game.

Also: how absolutely WRONG has he been all game? BBT pushes this game:

- Dierfire
- Math/Golden
- Glitch

While DEFENDING a scumflip.

You either think BBT is a completely terrible player or he's scum.

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99% sure BBT is scum.

Vote BBT then.

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If you're town, Chuck/Saru are scum.

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UNVOTE: BBT

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Tbh, yes.

I pointed out I thought Math was town. Their ridiculous tunnel made me think they had to be scum though. I legit can't understand why they thought I was scum even AFTER the House flip.

Titus is dead over conftown Spyrex because either Spyrex is scum or because Titus was refusing to vote me. Understand this.

That said I can live with assuming Spyrex is town because I townread Ryan all game and I townread Spyrex independent of their claim. If Spy is scum then ggwp, deserves to win I think.

It's BBT/Chuck/Saru. If you're town BBT, vote Chuck or Saru.

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I also opposes Dier wagon because the reasons for lynching them were wrong. I think Dier played bad but not scummy. I said that. Glitch I thought was scum so that's a wash.

It's more that you're apparently wrong about all your reads for the entire game and I don't know how believable that is.

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Okay so work with me then because I really think you should be seeing that I'm town here. The scum must be Chuck/Saru if you're town because so am I.

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BBT gives no reasons for reads all game, now he wants then.

Blatantly defends House/gameplay slot and vice versa.

Saru + BBT are the scum.

BBT granted, but, why do you say Saru here and not me? You have been saying I'm scum all game.
Obviously doesn't sit well that you dropped your scum read on me like a bad habit.

I feel like today is the day we are going to lynch one more and tomorrow is going to be the real hard test.
Like I want to say BBT/Saru as well, but that's way too easy if you ask me.

rb I need some scum meta. Preferably at least three games.

I actually haven't been saying you're scum all game so gtfo with that.

How the fuck is "too easy" a reason when the game is at LyLo with 2 scum left and all town PR's dead on successive nights? This is the opposite of an "easy game".

How can Saru or BBT be "too easy" when at various points we've tried to get either of them lynched and it hasn't worked? Makes literally no sense.

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Anyway I think it's BBT/Saru for sure now.

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Chuck I think you're town and you played like a derp...but still town -_-

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Chuck is trying to figure out the game. Saru and BBT haven't done much other than push lynches.

Dierfire was Saru's main target, House and BBT both eventually got on it and I really think that it's highly unlikely there were NO scum on Dierfire's wagon.

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House wanted Chuck lynched. I don't think it was a bus either since it wouldn't make sense in that context.

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My god Chuck literally votes for just Expedience or me all game, or doesn't vote.

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Yes me killing my only supporter and leaving my biggest detractor's alive makes so much sense.

Oh and notice how Saru does absolutely nothing but tunnel on me lolololol

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Yeah let's completely ignore important information because "that doesn't matter".

The only reason you consider me to be "waffling" would be that you're scum or actually such a bad player that you think me posting my mental trains of thought is somehow worse than you doing nothing but tunnel on town slots for the entire game.

Same goes for Chuck.

Like if you're town Saru I'm just gonna blacklist you for being such a worthless lurker and one-dimensional tunneling scrub.

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If I was scum I'd obviously kill whoever was town out of Saru/BBT/Chuck since both Spyrex + Titus were on my side. Holy fuck.

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*blood pressure increases*

My inability to cope with stupidity and inefficiency in real life probably makes mafia a bad choice of pasttime for me

I'm just as intolerant of it in this game.

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In no fucking world do I kill Titus. I would have killed anyone BUT Titus lmao.

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I unvoted don't worry.

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I don't care that much about this game to do mass re-reads and try to find connections where they probably don't even exist. I end up conf-biasing hardcore when I do that anyways. My gut has said scum!rb for a while and I'm just going to go with my gut, especially in situations like this where it has served me well. Even picking a partner is not worth it given that both Chuck and BBT could fit the bill and that's something to be figured out tomorrow.

The fact that I've been the common denominator among all the scum teams thrown out should be evidence that I'm the mislynch wagon for today. Math was the mislynch wagon for the previous days. I'm being set up in the same way.
VOTE: rb

rb conceding the game to scum!Spyre is pretty convenient given that Spyre didn't die last night. It's much easier to rub up against town!Spyre than someone like town!Titus, who noted that she was extremely methodical in her ways.

And please don't make it sound like Titus wanted me dead on matter what. That's a bunch of baloney. Titus had said she would re-read WITH A BIAS towards wanting to lynch me. Not that I was her confirmed lynch or something. Any scum team combination at this point could have killed Titus. I disagree that one person killing Titus is less of a possibility than another person. Don't forget that 3P LYLO also exists and scum might have been thinking ahead.

P-edit: Yes, rb, because pushing lynches on people you think are scum is totally scummy. Or should I be like you and waffle my way to end game? You're actually making your own case for why you are scum LOL

The fact that you make sense in the most teams makes you most likely to be scum, not most likely mislynch

Whst kind of ass backwards reasoning is that? By that logic you'd never lynch scum because you'd always just be seeing a "mislynch".

If Saru is town my head will actually explode. So bad.

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I'm sad too. I never intended to derail. I said in my unvote post I wanted the day to END on gameplay lynch, but to use the rest of the day to still interact. Instead it killed all the momentum which is why I ended up "fighting" and being "toxic" towards gameplay - I wanted him dead but it was too late. I mean yes he was a really strong scumread but that didn't mean I was up for lynching him with almost 12days of deadline left.

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Except I didn't tunnel? In fact, didn't you say I was waffling?

Which is it you misrepping scumbucket - did I waffle or tunnel?

Because what I actually did was not continue fighting over gameplay being lynched because I had zero support at all. All it was doing was getting me shittown reads and scumreads. If I got NK'd or lynched, everyone would have been like "wow dumb town, gameplay probs isn't scum". So I dropped it and tried to find other scum.

Tunneling relentlessly to no avail isn't pro-town, especially when there's 3 scum to be found.

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Why would scum gameplay kill me when he'd successfully discredited me as town VI and the fights were making many people say it was TvT? It was to his benefit to keep me alive because I was and still am looking like a viable mislynch. Derp.

Endless theorizing over who would have killed who is silly because there's 3 scum. Yes I did it because Titus literally makes no sense for me to kill for any reason.

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And also I shouldn't even HAVE to fucking justify my townness after House's flip, I'm just doing it because this town is playing incredibly stupid and playing with tinfoil hats instead of thinking caps.

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Except I didn't tunnel? In fact, didn't you say I was waffling?

Which is it you misrepping scumbucket - did I waffle or tunnel?

Because what I actually did was not continue fighting over gameplay being lynched because I had zero support at all. All it was doing was getting me shittown reads and scumreads. If I got NK'd or lynched, everyone would have been like "wow dumb town, gameplay probs isn't scum". So I dropped it and tried to find other scum.

Tunneling relentlessly to no avail isn't pro-town, especially when there's 3 scum to be found.

You said that you are town because of House's flip, yes? And why is that? Because you tunneled the slot for 90+ pages, right? That's your reasoning. See, it's awfully convenient that you waffled hardcore on every player in the game at some point BUT the gameplay slot. At no point did it cross your mind that gameplay could possibly be town. You were WAY too damn sure since the first page. And it just so happens that, that slot turned out scum. You knew he was going to flip scum at some point if lynched and now the town-cred is paying off. Makes sense.

And stop acting like you jumped off the gameplay wagon because it had zero support, because you jumped right back on like 2 mins later after doing a "re-read" lmfao. Man, if you're not scum...I'm actually going to have a brain aneurysm at how dumb your arguments are.

Yeah so in other words I got back on the scum wagon after a re-read. What's your point? That I was consistently trying to lynch scum? Yeah wooow that's so scummy of me.

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Saru if you're town you're actually so stupid I can't even.

Yes, for a huge majority of the game I was sure gameplay was scum. I also tried to sort other slots because there's 12 other players. Reads can and should change according to new information. At one point I thought Cass/Camn was scum, then they were PR.

Just like I initially thought Dier was scum but re-read and adapted my read to better fit, and I was right.

Btw, the scumteam is BBT/Chuck. I was waiting to see which slot BBT picked to vote other than me. Unless it's solo bus strat, Saru is probs town and scumteam is Chuck+BBT.

Feelsgoodman.

Vote BBT or Chuck with me Saru. You're an insufferable noob but unless I'm wrong about BBT (I doubt it) then I just won us the game. Thank me later.

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Not gonna argue anymore Saru, you can be town. You can vote Chuck or BBT with me, I don't care which. Spyrex is like 99% town.

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I'm in Australia, have been posting at work.

Anyway I can kill Saru or BBT for sure.

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Yes I change my mind a lot. I think BBT would bus Saru here if it became necessary, now that I think about it. So I'm still left at BBT/Chuck/Saru.

And Chuck I think you should probably note I was townreading you yesterday.

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Also Chuck I'm paranoid af as well, but yes I feel like you're really trying to solve the game and BBT's AtE yesterday didn't go unnoticed. But my strongest TR in Titus was pretty adamant about Math and I rly thought one of BBT+Math must be scum and I went along with the people I was townreading.

I regret it but I think it's fair to say that you've put a lot more effort into game-solving than BBT or Saru. Your game is hard to fake as scum imo, BBT+Saru's games would be easy to do.

Ofc it doesn't make you town but I can see town motivation and I've flip-flopped on that numerous times, Saru's just eternally irritating to me because they're incredibly inactive and wholly unhelpful when they ARE active.

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Also I'm town and if Saru was town, scum woulda quickhammered by now as they have daychat - I forgot that. It's literally a given that scum is voting me. Let's kill Saru then BBT. BBT would bus here I'm certain.

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Also Spy I need your input on that but if you think I'm town you have to agree the lack of me getting hammered means either Saru or me is scum.

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Look at Saru's ISO - it's literally just walls of shade throwing.

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Oh and he also discredits my pushes on both BBT and house.

It's BBT/Saru. One. Million. Percent.

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House defended BBT. House was scum.

Saru defended BBT. Wanna bet which alignment he'll flip?

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At least I really doubt Chuck and Saru are a team now.

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And I think Saru makes wayyyyyyyy more sense with BBT than you.

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I'm not scum relax.