Mini Normal 1841 - At The End... (GAME OVER)

[Manuel87]

Hello everyone i already started reading
On page 18 right now and should finish tonight.

UNVOTE:

@Infinity: How dare you!
@Gamme: Hey there long time no see

[Manuel87]

Okay i have read everything probably doing some isos tomorrow.

For now:
Mathblade: top townread
JarJar, Infinity, Dong: town
Trancend, ironavp, Creature: Null
scumlean: XnadrojX, Something_Smart
scum: Gamma Emerald, Zachstralkita

Off to bed now.

[Manuel87]

Oh forgot one
Dunnstral: slight townlean

[Manuel87]

i dont know how you would tr me.

The reads are based on one quick read through and gut right now.
For your slot the way you argued with jarjar feels townie. You dont have to be useful to be a townread. You have to be useful to have an influence in the votes.

@Infinity: Whats so odd about them? Which ones exactly?

[Manuel87]

The reads are based on one quick read through and gut right now.

Feel free to ask me about the reads you dont like.
I started doing Isos still reading you (MathBalde) town.
Might change my mind about Zach. First impression was he had done nothing all game and just posted offtopic stuff. But after reading his Iso he had about 10% useful posts.

[Manuel87]

Oh forgot one
Dunnstral: slight townlean

??

[Manuel87]

It is aligned because it either shows made up reads or a reason to not read them or a minimal impact.
Because no one understands me except a few players when I am town. To see that big a townread at the start when most people consider me crazy I find suspect.
Going to bed now will post more tomorrow.

Reading you town doesnt mean i think you arent crazy.
But you feel genuine in your posts and i liked that one v

Spoiler:

I think Creature can be, but I don't really think he is lynchbait anymore.

So what did you mean by "These 2 can go together"?

Lynchbait means they're an easy target for the lynch. That doesn't preclude them from being scum.

In 377 you used it as an argument in favor of him being town.

LOL Wow...completely scum trying to look like they are interacting with each other. *blinks*
Excuse me while I try to invent a way to wash off the scumminess of this post from my body...Grosssssssss........

a lot because i agree and had a good laugh at the same time.

Transcend as null, mathblade as top town, and zach as top scum I find odd.

Funny i started with Maths and Zachs Isos.
So like i said im rethinking my Zach read as the first impression was he did nothing but offtopic spam the whole game but after reading his iso i found some scumhunting and i feel better about him but still have a slight scumlean on him . One reason being the selfvote.
As for Math i just explained.
Transcend was pushed a lot early because of a different game he won as scum. He was talking a lot but nothing struck me as very towny or really scummy thus having the null for now.

[Manuel87]

So i finished Isoing everyone.
Town: MathBlade, JarJarDrinks, Dongempire
Townlean: Dunnstral, Transcend
Null: Infinity, Iraonavp
Scumlean: Creature, Zachstralkita, Something_Smart
Scum: XnadrojX, Gamme Emerald

I have to say i initially thought Gamma is town until like Page 15 or so but i changed my mind because of some really scummy posts.

Spoiler:

Meh I think Creature feels a bit lynchbaity.

Here my read on Gamma started to change.
Why are you calling him lynchbaity here?
He didnt post much up to this point and most of it was NAI at best.

I can tell you with certainty you're wrong on one of three of those, and that one is me

So you are saying S_S is scum, as Math is right about him and Dunn?

Twisting around what Zach said and asking a stupid question.

yeah fuck it if we get a speedlynch thatd be fun
VOTE: zach

Why do you want the day to end early? Wanna talk with your buddies?

Just feels off. There was no way a speedlynch would have happened at that point. I also think it was quite obvious that Dong was joking.

We're wasting daylight.
VOTE: AlpacaAlpaca

Random vote on someone that didnt reply for 2 days and was scumreading him, with no reason. Suggesting we dont have time to waste when its still 10 days before Deadline.

Has JarJar talked? Like as in anything of significance?

How much of the game have you read

Let's lynch creature

Willing to join this wagon. Definitely looks like Micro 647.
VOTE: Creature

Vote on supposed lynchbait because of a metaread.
Mind to explain that read? Because i wont read a whole game when i dont see your reasoning.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

HAHAHA you fuck. This dude threw shade at Transcend, didn't vote him, and then voted me for following Transcend and calling him out on his actions. This is scum.
VOTE: Dunnstral

Dunnstrals reaction was legit. He is also overreacting to the vote.
Do you think Dunnstral had a good reason to vote Transcend?

Pretty much that post is so completely terribad it's making me doubt my prior theory. It is just that bad.

Okay so you're reads are that fragile that one post can change them.
Okaaaaaay...

So maths reads a fragile because they changed one read?
Why are you scumreading Math now just after they started scumreading you?

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Manuel87]

I am not liking Gamma, and JarJar right now but Dunn and infinity seem pretty cool

So you voted on him and didnt find that in his 9 posts?

I think Creature can be, but I don't really think he is lynchbait anymore.

So what did you mean by "These 2 can go together"?

Lynchbait means they're an easy target for the lynch. That doesn't preclude them from being scum.

In 377 you used it as an argument in favor of him being town.

LOL Wow...completely scum trying to look like they are interacting with each other. *blinks*
Excuse me while I try to invent a way to wash off the scumminess of this post from my body...Grosssssssss........

Who are you calling scum here?

Pedit: Both you and Something smart, Gamma.

Dunnstral even voted you i think there is no need to quote that.

[Manuel87]

@Manuel: Alpaca was a pressure/reaction vote, Math is not a scumread, just someone I wouldn't trust with my life.

What reaction did you hope to get from an inactive slot by pressuring with L-6?
I am not saying you scumread them i am saying you try to dismiss their reads as fragile because they changed their read on you to scum.

[Manuel87]

I was trying to help push the discussion. How is that scum motivated?
I was concerned about him flipping his read on me and/or other people in the future, making his vote unreliable. That seems NAI to me.

He was already gone for 2 days and about to be prodded what discussion did you hope to get there that would have helped town?
Even if you are lurking you dont want to get prodded as scum.
So you think the reason to change their read on you is so bad?

[Manuel87]

@Manuel: Alpaca was a pressure/reaction vote, Math is not a scumread, just someone I wouldn't trust with my life.

I am not saying you scumread them i am saying you try to dismiss their reads as fragile because they changed their read on you to scum.

Not quite ready to vote Math yet, but definitely scumreading them.

I take that back you did scumread Math as i was saying previously. Want to explain?

I wanted to make everyone discuss, not just him.
I do feel his read change is bad.

Why not push on someone active or ask questions then?
Why is it so bad? Becaus of the reason they changed it? if yes what about their reasoning is bad?

[Manuel87]

I said that after Dunn provided meta.
His read change is bad because it feels a bit opportunistic.

So you really think there is a player that wouldnt change their mind on a townread after they post something they think is extremly scummy?
I reread the part and i dont see where it is opportunistic.

Also someone pointing out that your vote on AlpacaAlpaca is scummy is probably the only reaction you could get from that vote.

[Manuel87]

VOTE: Creature

887 has post 849 which is horrible from Creature. The wording is abysmal. Will catch up on rest when not on my lunch break.

Did you have a scumread on Creature before?

Gamma's posts are scummy, but very likely scummy town.

Why wouldnt it be scummy scum?
He excuses his scummy posts by saying they were reaction test but cant explain what reactions he was trying to get.
I recently played a game with town!Gamma and there were no reactiontest from his side as far as i remember.
Its hard to believe he already made 2 this game.

Manuel took my ISO out of context I feel, but he explained it okay so I'm yeah I'm p sure he's town.

Where did i take anything out of context?

1 wk point for Gamma

I'm not saying he's particularly townie dude; I'm questioning this demand for Transcend to be vigged. How do we know there's even a vig in this setup?

This is a dumb question. If there's no vig, then of course nobody is getting vigged. Also, a question for you: Do you like faking overreactions as scum?

I dont really remember any overreactions in our last game (town!Gamma) so i agree this reaction feels fake.

@Infinity: You seem to have played with Gamma as well. Why do you think Gamma is just being Gamma and not scum!Gamma?

[Manuel87]

Few notes: yes I fake overreactions as scum. I did not reaction test in that game because I didn't see a place where it was needed, and that was a shitty analogy. And I ABSOLUTELY overreacted to some of the things House said Day 2.

You admitting you do it doesnt make it any better.
Whats so shitty about it? You excused your scummy posts with saying you were fishing for reactions. You never did that in our last game so i have a hard time believing you when you cant even say what reactions you were going for.
There is a huge difference between overreacting to a scumread on you or overreacting the way you did to a silly joke that should be obvious.

Transcend
I think you are town but this is making me not like this wagon
stop

Can we just lynch this now?

[Manuel87]

Transcend
I think you are town but this is making me not like this wagon
stop

So care to explain your thoughts here?
You think he is town but because of something he said you dont like the wagon you and Transcend are on?
Logic would suggest you think the comment was scummy.
Logic would suggest you want to reconsider your read and unvote as Creature is at L-1.

[Manuel87]

OK.
Since Infinity isn't online I'll say this: what in those 5 posts

is

trying to look town?

You mean besides the LAMIST?

[Manuel87]

OK.
Since Infinity isn't online I'll say this: what in those 5 posts

is

trying to look town?

You mean besides the LAMIST?

What LAMIST is there?

You trying to fake an overreaction to his joke in the first post for example.

[Manuel87]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Manuel87]

OK well then it's settled.
ONE V ONE BITCH
VOTE: Manuel87

You could also just claim would spare us a lot of time.

[Manuel87]

Manuel frikkin' straight tunneled me yesterday. TELL ME HOW THAT IS REAL SCUMHUNTING.

You mean the 24 hours i was active in the game?
Btw your reaction to my vote proves my read on you.
You are missing the fact that i gave a perfect case on you and all your answers to my questions just made you look more scummy.

[Manuel87]

Your case on me is shite. All that stuff you called LAMIST? Not LAMIST at all. As I said, just because I said I fake reactions doesn't mean I did it this time, and you assuming that I was just shows how deep you have been tunneling.

You realize my case had nothing about your LAMIST shit mentioned?
The LAMIST part came later when S_S pointed it out.
So tell me how is it a good strategy to do something scummy to get reactions when you dont even know what reactions you are going for?

Gamma you're nowhere near getting lynched and your wagon yields 2 idiots and one scum. The 2 idiots being SS and Manuel. The scum being JarJar. Just chill it and wait for Creature to get lynched lol.

btw once Gamma flips red i demand an apology.

[Manuel87]

Manuel's first post: Sun Oct 16, 2016 2:58 pm
Manuel's last Day 1 post: Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:22 pm
Been here for more than 24 hours that's for sure.

Oh shit what a misrep i was here for 2 days instead of one. That totaly proves my point wrong sry Gamma /sarcasm off
Why not answer my question instead of digging for useless info to throw shade?

[Manuel87]

I knew infinity was scum. I had a feeling.
VOTE: Infinity324

What is meant by this?

Not some kind of secret message. Shouldn't be too hard to understand
I'm saying infinity is the bad guy

HRRRMMM
I'll go with you for now.
VOTE: Infinity 324
AND WE AREN'T DONE MANUEL

I will think about helping you bus your buddy.

@Infinity: why are you interested in who x and y are?
Its rather obvious though.

[Manuel87]

X knows what I am saying I hope.

VOTE: Infinity324
Lets see how long it takes for Gamma to unvote his buddy.

[Manuel87]

Like sorry for the wifom, but you just flat out saved me

I am 99% certain he didnt save you.
But i am also 90% certain you didnt get blocked from killing.

So because thats cleared now lets lynch scum
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Manuel87]

If there's a

hit bp

plz claim now

[Manuel87]

Not 100% sure i was the target but if our JK was on you i think its more likely i was the target tonight.

[Manuel87]

Role pm says i am not notified

[Manuel87]

Uhhhhhhh, hi, morning guys.

Transcend what the hell were you doing. If you're Town can you at least try not to be antitown before you get lynched?

This is a scum claim honestly.

Jordan is day 4
Day 2 is Gamma
Day 3 is Infinity

[Manuel87]

Uhhhhhhh, hi, morning guys.

Transcend what the hell were you doing. If you're Town can you at least try not to be antitown before you get lynched?

This is a scum claim honestly.

Jordan is day 4
Day 2 is Gamma
Day 3 is Infinity

Are you sure you're not mistaking his horrendous play for scummy play? Gamma, that is.

Well i just played a game with town!Gamma i am pretty sure he is playing different this game and Infinity defending him on meta is why i read him scum as well.

[Manuel87]

I am not using meta for my scumread. He has done a whole lot of scummy shit this game and is defended based on meta.
And i counter by saying "no his town!meta is different".

[Manuel87]

So that cancels out for null on Gamma? Infinity defended him on meta too

^proves my point

[Manuel87]

Bad players can roll scum as well.
Ill reiso and think about it again.

But I want a readslist from him because he avoided taking any stance until now.
Even his Creatur vote was without explaining why he scumreads him so he could back out again.
He backs out of arguments and throws out townreads like candy.

[Manuel87]

STOP FUCKING CLAIMING

why shouldnt i claim when JK claims a protect? Town needs to know there is another possibility and me claiming doesnt change tonights kill. probably.

I've played with town!gamma twice and read a scum game of his, he's town. Also would be a townread for me without meta.

Id like to hear that townread.

UNVOTE:
Need to reiso someone else it seems i missed something important while arguing with Gamma.

[Manuel87]

@manuel If you aren't gonna be killed tonight why would you have been killed last night?

i wont say anything that helps scum figure it out for yourself.

The gamma read is simple. He's doing random shit without concern to how it looks imo.

@s_s Let's talk about gamma. I forget why exactly you scumread him, but there is little doubt in my mind that he's town. He's playing very similarly to his town game, specifically he doesn't give a flying fuck about looking town.

I don't see that at all. How can you say that 951, 953, 993, 997, and 1020 (just to quote some of the more recent ones) are not interested in looking town?

VOTE: JarJarDrinks

[Manuel87]

@Infinity: You are basically saying the amount of scumtells he has in his Iso is a towntell.
I disagree on the Misrep on Zach. He was throwing shade on Zach before that as well and he was pressured at that point.
A wrong answer could have put even more pressure on Zach.

@Gamma: This doesnt mean i am townreading you you are null at best. And only because there cant be more then 3 scum.
But i admit that i missed something important because of my push on you.

[Manuel87]

Your claim was misguiding town into believing Transcend got saved or was the killer i had to claim so town doesnt argue in the wrong direction.
I suggest you reread the day and start thinking again.

[Manuel87]

Whatever you gained from that, we have lost more. Because you saw what I set into motion, possibly saw what I risked, and... still decided to do that.

I don't see how the town being misguided could potentially lead to any worse outcome than a normal day could(lynching town).

You realize your claim was questioning the scumread we have do you?

[Manuel87]

What happened to making arguments?

I'm good with lynching jarjar, but idk why he's more likely than nadr. Or mathblade for that matter.

Didnt you townread Jordan?

[Manuel87]

So what changed your reads on them?

[Manuel87]

VOTE: JarJarDrinks

[Manuel87]

Manuel87,
Since Zach is the JK, believing you are BP is hard.

dont worry your lynched tomorrow

[Manuel87]

If anyone wants to explain why they think I'm scum then go ahead and I'll defend myself the best I can.

If you guys are just gonna lazily speedlynch town for a 3rd straight day then just lemme know so I don't have to waste my time.

Either you or Dong are scum.

Btw the lynch yesterday was the most retarded thing i have seen on this site.

[Manuel87]

If anyone wants to explain why they think I'm scum then go ahead and I'll defend myself the best I can.

If you guys are just gonna lazily speedlynch town for a 3rd straight day then just lemme know so I don't have to waste my time.

Either you or Dong are scum.

Btw the lynch yesterday was the most retarded thing i have seen on this site.

Why did you vote him then?

Because i believe Dong is town.

[Manuel87]

VOTE: Infinity324

I think it is Infinity/JarJar/Manuel.

Why not help me bus my buddy then?

[Manuel87]

Because you got caught trying to kill me

[Manuel87]

VOTE: Infinity324

I think it is Infinity/JarJar/Manuel.

Why not help me bus my buddy then?

Why do you think I'm scum?

Because you got caught trying to kill me

This is dumb trying to stop an infinity lynch.
Zach died after saying he would.
No one got caught trying to kill anyone.
Manuel just doesn't want his buddy infinity lynched.

I find the odds of you being BP rather slim.

So where exactly did i stop you from lynching Infinity?
Zach pushing on Transcend yesterday was stupid beyond because he gave scum an easy JK kill and stopped the JarJar lynch.
Also i never said Infinity isnt scum i said JarJar is the better lynch for reasons anyone not braindead should already know.
But this game has to many stupid players so yeah go ahead and lynch possible scum instead of confirmed scum.

[Manuel87]

VOTE: jarjar
interesting choice of nightkill. very interesting.

Yeah with the Watcher claim i want to hear more about that.
JK, BP, Watcher, Tracker, Absorber, some mysterious PR

What JarJar panicking? Someone here knows I am conf town as mentioned yesterday. There is no way all this power is real.

Shouldnt there be 2 ppl now that know you are "conf!town"

[Manuel87]

UNVOTE:
Can we not speedlynch again and wait for Dong to post?

[Manuel87]

So wtf is going on

Day 2
Dong crumbs tracker
Gamma recognizes it and doesnt pressure him instead he votes Transcend.

Day 3
Gamma claims watcher with guilty on Infinity.
Dong backs down from his Tracker crumb.

@Infinity:Why target S_S over Transcend when you thought Transcned was such a widely read Town with a vig crumb?

PEdit: yes jarjar, everyone but you townread s_s lol

MathBlade scumread him and i had a scumlean on him Day 1. Other then that noone really mentioned a townread on S_S as far as i remember.

Also this Variant of Absorber sounds very unlikely as you didnt mention it saying anything about absorbing a nightkill.
And why would you want to target possible Nightkilltargets with that variation of Absorber?
If Dong isnt Tracker then JarJar isnt a scumread so why do you want to shoot him?

[Manuel87]

VOTE: jarjar
interesting choice of nightkill. very interesting.

@Something Smart

/ Dunnstral

why are you

both

giving Manuel a seeming way out before he answers the question?

How is it giving me a way out when he seems to be the only one smart enough to know what i am talking about? Looking at Dongs day 2 posts it should have been obvious what i am talking about btw. Question is why didnt you do that?

I don't think he did but my thoughts are irrelevant what matters is what Manuel was thinking if he was or if he was trying to get Infinity out of the lynch or if this is Role Madness or what.

So not wanting to speedlynch for a 3rd time is apperently trying to get Infinity out of the lynch?
I would have voted Infinity in my last post if there werent ppl that like to quickhammer in this game btw.
Infinity is lynched today why would i try to oppose that after a Watcher claim he himself confirmed and him claiming an outlandish variation of a non standard role?

[Manuel87]

Can anyone explain in simple words what MathBlade is talking about? Because i dont get it and i dont care enough about their nonsense.
If you have questions ask them and dont make a riddle out of it where i have to guess what you are saying.

@Infinity: If you expected something like a Watcher why would you want to target the same player as the watcher?
Your role isnt very likely to be believed so risking that seems rather odd.

[Manuel87]

Okay so lets say we consider the option of leaving you alive to prove yourself with a vig-shot.
Who do we lynch today?
Who do you shoot if the lynch flips town?
Who do you shoot if the lynch flips scum?

[Manuel87]

Okay i get the logic its actually a good answer but why do you think JarJar is scum?

[Manuel87]

Why wouldnt scum target me N1?
I was widely townread day 1 and were pushing on Gamma. A good reason to push on Gamma if i die N1.
I was actually sure that i would be the target for the nightkill no matter what Gammas alignment is.

If you are town then Maths claim is rather unlikely as that would mean 5 PRs.
So if we push a lynch on Math either they are scum and get lynched or someone steps up and confirmes their claim which would again question your claim.
The question is do we want to out a possible PR to confirme Math or not?

Also what if Jordan is town and scum dont shoot tonight?

[Manuel87]

If we lynch town!JarJar today and you shot town!Jordan we lose if you are town you shouldnt be okay with that.

i see 3 options:
1) we lynch you
2) we pressure Math (you already said your against that)
3) we vote no lynch today and you shoot Jordan or JarJar. we would need to discuss that. my vote would be on Jordan btw. (actually seeing how it plays out you should decide between the two without telling anyone)

3) might seem stupid but since we blocked one NK it would work out. We are at 3 scum 7 town right now.
No lynch mean either:
3 v 6
3 v 5

2 v 7

2 v 6

3 v 6 means you lied or scum didnt kill N3 and we lynch you. If you are scum we didnt lose a misslynch as we still have 1 misslynch left. If you are town we would lose our mislynch today anyway.

3 v 5 Gamma and your target die. You are confirmed town. We dont lose a misslynch as we would have lynched you today but we win confirmed town.

2 v 7 isnt likely as it would mean scum doenst kill when their buddy is your target and you are confirmed anyway. (thats why its better you decide without telling anyone)

2 v 6 Gamma dies and you are confirmed town. We dont lose a mislynch and 1 scum dies.

[Manuel87]

that would make option 3 still safer without a disadvantage fur us.

[Manuel87]

Lol Manuel is trying to get Infinity out of the lynch remember this.

This setup was reviewed for balance and normalcy in the first post.

This is inspector scout's first modded game.

There is no way JK/BP/Watcher+Role of secret+Absorber exist in this setup.

We lynch infinity and stop letting Manuel try to buy an extra day.

So smartypants what do we lose by voting no lynch today?

[Manuel87]

If he is scum absorber why should he get a vig-shot from targeting scums nightkill?
Your reasoning is retarded.

[Manuel87]

Are you ok with being lynched if Infinity flips town?

Why would he be lynched if Infinity flips town?

[Manuel87]

WE LYNCH INFINITY TODAY

You're pushing a false dichotomy insteaad of taking the optimal action for town.

If you want to play it safe then the optimal action is no lynch.

Gamma tell me what do we lose with nolynch?

[Manuel87]

We lose you tonight anyway

[Manuel87]

ok because it was never asked and you are active right now 60 sekonds for an answer or you are scum Gamma

Who did you watch night 1?

[Manuel87]

why zach?

[Manuel87]

Zach wasnt widely townread if anything he was more scumread.

[Manuel87]

Zach wasnt widely townread if anything he was more scumread.

Well when I asked the second time people said him.

What?

[Manuel87]

Well i believe the claim now.
right call to watch claimed JK lol hard one.

since noone is going for the safe option have it your way.
VOTE: Infinity324

[Manuel87]

How is it resisting to show you a safer option.
you not considering it because you want to be on a scumlynch is retarded but whatever not like this game can be described with a different word.

[Manuel87]

Something doesn't make sense here.
This seems way overloaded with power. JK + Watcher + BP pushes realms of improbability but that plus <redacted> is not likely at all.
One of Manuel or <redacted> are scum. Manuel is more likely based on how they tried to save infinity.
VOTE: Manuel87

so how exactly did i try to save Infinity?
I showed a way to prove his claim without losing anything. That he himself didnt want to go for that option should show you that your argument is shit.

[Manuel87]

We're lynching jarjar/nadr.

NO. JARJAR IS TOWN BECAUSE SCUM PUSHED HIM AT THE START OF TODAY.

...Why aren't we listening to the confirmed townie here?

Maybe because him being conftown doesnt mean his reads are good?
Newsflash he lynched 2 townies.
But its true he has an amazing achievment of watching claimed JK. /sacrasm

S_S is less Town to me looking thru his ISO but the original townread on him came from the way Infinity was speaking about him

So you scumread S_S based on JarJars case now or do you just want to sheep him?

@JarJar: Dont you think you could use the exact same arguments against Jordan?

@S_S, Dong, Ira: Can you explain your votes on JarJar because i have yet to see a reason to lynch/vote him.

[Manuel87]

VOTE: XnadrojX

Jordan is the only one i feel confident about right now.
There wasnt a single post from him that made me think he is town.

Most possible scumpartner is Dong.
Most unlikely scumpartner is JJD.

Ira, Math town
S_S, Dunn Null

[Manuel87]

Has JarJar talked? Like as in anything of significance?

Throwing shadw on JarJar really early in the game. I dont think its very likely for scum!Jordan to throw shade on scum!JarJar here.

XnadrojX

- scumlean. Like I said earlier, his posts occasionally come off as faking noobness. I feel like his town read of me came out of nowhere. He could be trying to just lurk his way through the game

Exactly what i thought when i checked Jordans Iso i dont think scum!JarJar would point out something like that.
Since day 3 started he has a hard townread on JarJar without trying to convince anyone to not lynch him. Thats something i see scum do to look townie in case JarJar gets lynched.
Him reading both JarJar and you (S_S) town without explaining why is actually one of the reasons why i think this is a TvT you two are stuck in.

The interaction between Dong and Jordan on the other hand looks like the exact opposit.

Ugh 13 player games are hard to keep up with.
For now I'll put my
VOTE: Dongempire
Here

Voting Dong without a reason or any pressure on him when Creature was at L-2.

Jar
Manuel
Jordan
Two of these 3 people are scum.
Jar's play has been unhelpful, hindering and obnoxious this whole game. Manuel's bp claim aside his most recent inputs have been unnotable at best.
Jordans just shitposting.

The reason he gives for scumreading Jordan is more an excuse to not vote him.

[Manuel87]

It' not physically possible for EVERY post of mine to be scummy. You are exaggerating. Manuel, answer this seriously, are you scum?

1) I never said every post of you is scummy.
2) Why wouldnt it be possible?
3) How many of you posts do you think are scummy?

[Manuel87]

Thoughts?

I still think you are town that is stuck in a tunnel and refuses to listen to reasoning. Only thing that has me worried is that you pushed on Jordan instead of me yesterday.
Also pretty confident that S_S is town.

So i think scum is in Dong, JarJar and Ira
All 3 of them didnt post really much.
Dong JarJar would be my guess.

[Manuel87]

Wont be able to read/post much this WE.

[Manuel87]

One shot BP give scum one shot strongman.
Watcher + JK would need infinite shot roleblocker and infinite shot tracker. Ninja is out of the question as infinity was seen.

The fact there are four claimed PRs against a one shot tracker is garbage.

I think your balance understanding is different from the standards of this side.
In my last game i was mafia rolecop with a mafia goon and a traitor as team.
Town had a Watcher, BP-oneshot, Bodyguard and JAOT (RB, Doc, Cop)
Town was arguing the same way you are right now and killed their BP.

Also hi to titus.

I claimed BP day2 after Zach Claimed JK on Trancend because i was quite sure Trancend wasnt the NK/scum night1 and i didnt want town to make wrong assumptions.
Well he got lynched anyway so i might as well have said nothing.

[Manuel87]

I am pretty sure S_S isnt scum because he defended me in the Neighborhood before i was added.
As scum he could just sheep Maths read on me and probably get me lynched today.

I also think at least one scum is in the Neighborhood based on the Dunn kill.
He wanted to claim today and would have been pretty much confirmed town.
So JarJar + Titus is unlikely

[Manuel87]

Correct

[Manuel87]

Why can't SS sheep Math? What if they are both scum.

I thought about them both being scum. Its a possibility. But i dont think they gain much from that.
The only other ppl in the Neigborhood at that point were Dunn and Dong.
Dunn was the nightkill.
Dong wasnt even posting in the neigborhood besides one hello after he got added as the 2nd person after Math.
Also i was/am scumreaading Dong so it would probably have been better/easier for them to convince him to lynch me if they are both scum.
Dunn didnt say who he would add so they didnt know i would be the one reading S_S defending me.

@S_S: If Titus JarJar is the scumteam then why did Dunn die last night?

[Manuel87]

go ahead

[Manuel87]

Ill think about this on my way to work tomorrow. Need to go sleep now.

[Manuel87]

3) Strongman not possible else Manuel if town would be dead.

NK1: Me or Transcend (so unless its infinit Strongman no reason to waste a shot Night one)
NK2: claimed JK
NK3: claimed Watcher
NK4: Neighbourizer
So no i wouldnt be dead but i will be tomorrow.

Also think about it Infinity made the lynch on claimed JK. That most likely means he was the weakest member of the scumteam.
Also read my comment about my last game or review my last game you will see that the roles are pretty simmilar to this game.

Nolynch isnt an option as it would just mean scum kills me or takes my BP if it wasnt taken Night one already and we gain nothing from it.
Worst case i survive, you keep your tunnel on me and we lose tomorrow.

[Manuel87]

Manuel, look. Math apparently knows better than us and what we need. We need SS scum lynched? No. Apparently every scenario leads to you being scummy. I have given up. I hate to say this but unless you me and JarJar agree on Dong or SS, we will draw at best.
Math isn't going to listen to us in death or life and just gives one sentence you're wrong to any sort of rational basis. They have their views and no amount of reasoning will sway them.
They literally do not care to ascertain our desires but instead want to tell us we only desire to agree with her.
That means the three of us need to make a choice with enough time on the clock for Math to feel it's reasonable.
If we had a mislynch, Math would be a policy lynch at this point so that the rest of us can lynch scum. We don't. So that means you have to pick one and JarJar and I follow or lead depending on the name you pick.
Any other result leads to a town lead mislynch of you.
@Math, I am done. Your answers showed me you'll only listen to yourself. You're not this way IRL but seriously, get over yourself. Not all reasonable town share your opinion.

Well i have to agree i was actually considering just voting her but since we have to hit i didnt.
Considering i still think she is town nolynch isnt an option as that would just mean scum kills you and we lose because Math still pushes the misslynch on me tomorrow.

I still want to lynch Dong.

[Manuel87]

VOTE: Dongempire

[Manuel87]

GG
Damn i was considering Math after the Jordan lynch because she was tunneling me and suddenly switched to him but i still thought scum wouldnt tunnel me that hard.
Welp scum