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Hi friends. How goes? I saw the player list and replaced in without reading anything else.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Don't know black void. Don't care. Pleasure reading his posts. The man is town.
ClownCracker's first post was bollocks. Lie in a game with me and I'll gut you. Whine to me about it in the post game. I'll do it again the next one. The second post where he whined no one was paying attention to him was pretty town. If he gets bigger no one will cry, but not much desire to lynch today.
Goodmorning can be town for her reaction to lynchbait McGee. I dunno. I could say something is off. Could say town... town!
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Mislynch me day 1? Hoopla, there ain't a scum on site who could do that. They have to shoot me in the head night 1, thems the rules.In post 599, Hoopla wrote:
Welcome old friend, but your slot is on the ropes. There's no shame in phoning it in if you're scum and hanging out in the dead thread. I'll be there after N1 to come and reminisce about days gone by.In post 598, GreyICE wrote:Hi friends. How goes? I saw the player list and replaced in without reading anything else.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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IAIs ISO is a teenage wasteland. I'll be caught up soon! Uh huh. Obviously it's bad. Not enough to motivate me to lynch day 1, but an acceptable vig target.
Jack is... a good vote. A really good vote. His posts are just fake feeling and shallow. Like reading from a script.
Maria is town.
I've never played with MichaelSableheart before. We're going to press all each other's buttons. I think he's town though.
Rask is town. Sotty town. Two face town. Victor scum.
Huh I have too many town reads. Unless it is Victor/Jack/IAI. Feels wrong.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Hey Jack! Remember Sotty, your top scum read? Have anything to say about anything she's done in... ever? The vote has calcified. It's fucking fossilized. You made the vote top of page 5, and have said shit about it for 20 pages. So if you're that hard tunneled, have you done a damn thing to make us listen to you? I mean besides occasional commentary. She remains bottom of your list, so we know this is intentional.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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I'm not. Told you it feels like something is off.In post 603, Hoopla wrote:How are you at the point of calling out specific teams 90 minutes after replacing in?
How are your reads so bad? Your entire list made me cry.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Well I mean besides day 1 Hoopla yadda yadda. But like... sotty scum? Jack null? Why?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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If I'm wrong about a strong player (and I am) it's probably MichaelSableheart. He says Hokies to explain what he's thinking, and he does. And it's shallow observation. Hmmmmmm... need to think more. Some time tomorrow.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Hokies? Autocorrect wtf? Whatever. Sleep time.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Well let me get home and off this phone to lay it out further, but for now a simple question: assuming you're aggressive, prickly, and have strong feelings, what do you do when you get widely town read?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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What pressure? I'm not getting lynched today, there's no pressure ^_^
Check out my usual position on the night kill train in previous games, you'd be nuts to do the scum's job for them.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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What's your proposal to deal with a slot that won't produce anything Victor? Lynch them? Hope they're town? Nah. IAI should be vigged tonight if we have one. Won't waste a lynch on him if have a vig shot.
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Also IAIs first content is to setup speculate. Poorly, since mafia vigs are explicitly non-normal.
We could just lynch him actually.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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@BlackVoid:Interesting that you read Biker Wars, and yet are willing to dismiss me so lightly. I'm not here to toot my own horn, but surely you read these posts, right?
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Subject: Mini 1834: Biker Wars: Blood in the Streets Mafia PTUntrod Tripod wrote:Well that was an absolute debacle
Sorry SC. You were going down and I needed that sweet sweet towncred. Also that's town-me's play 10 out of 10 times so... sorry not sorry
Anyway I think we have to kill GreyICE. he's got both of our numbers and he can probably push a lynch.
So why don't you talk to me? Surely there's something you're curious about. If nothing else, I want the town to win if you mislynch me today, and to do that I need you to understand my reads. Surely just hammering me without even finding out why I think something is a bad idea, right? Yes, I am town reading Hoopla and Sotty. I... think they're both town. I'm decently confident in my ability to read Sotty, since I replaced in there's no way she could be specifically trying to fool me. And Hoopla, I'm much more likely to misread her as scum when she's town than visa versa.Aristophanes wrote:Yeah, he's really good and will destroy us given the chance.
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@Jack:You voted Sotty on the top of page 5, because you thought she had the weakest vote on a wagon. That's a good page 5 reason. We're now on page 28. I haven't seen any evolution of those reads in the past 23 pages, and the Sotty read was:
You understand other things have happened in the past 23 pages, so saying your strongest scumread is still Sotty... I'd expect you to have more than one scumread, and I'd expect your reasons for Sotty scum to have evolved a bit since page 5. So what's happened in your mind since then?In post 101, Jaack wrote: Of those three I think Sotty is most likely. She had an empty vote, but at the same time added a few weak reads right afterword. Seems like someone who knew their vote was not good, so they decided to put down some content so as to not get blamed for fluff. 86 also shows more self awareness about the quality of her posts.
As for the other two, there's not enough from BBT to make note of pretty much anything, since his only post is the rask vote. I do have a slight scumread on TwoFace though, although it might just be the coin gimmick getting on my nerves. Scumread on Sotty is stronger.
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Also I'd deeply love to chat with MichaelSableheart. Very much so.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Hoopla, Sotty: Why Victor? Here we go.
As a veteran irascible asshole, let me assure you of two things. First, you don't necessarily change because you're scum. Second, being townread is simply a tool to lynch scum. If people town read you they're more willing to listen to you, if they're more willing to listen to you, they're more willing to vote with you. Certainly we none of us think Victor is ambivalent about who gets lynched, yes?
So early on Victor was getting significant pressure. A feud with GoodMorning, several votes, people pushing him, etc. He had to defend himself. Then it tapered off. What did Victor do? He tapered off. It's not like any of his comments were particularly insightful or probing earlier, but after the town read? He didn't try and sell a single person on voting GoodMorning. He just was happy to leave his vote there until the "oh gee, I guess I better join the wagon under duress".
That's supremely weak. You get town read, you use it to smash home wagons on scum. You don't sit there and wank off about it. Even useless prickly people like Furcolow try to push wagons home on people they think are scum (yes, Furcolow was supremely bad at it, but his inevitable detonations were because no one would listen to him). Victor prickles, but then backs down. It's weak as hell.
If you want to talk since then, he's been the most passionate about how we shouldn't shoot IAI. That's funny. He's been on site since 2013, he's very well aware that many extremely strong players have the philosophy that vigs should default to shooting useless lurkers precisely because they have no content and its hard to read them. This is not a controversial opinion or one that is rarely voiced, it's very mainstream, and IAI is the prime candidate of this town under that. The "at least people would have to take a stance" thing is super weird. Does he think that scum wouldn't bus IAI? It's not like he's playing well at all. It just seems an attempt to preserve IAI's life without actually doing much that would commit him one way or the other. It's a very weird stance to take. More interestingly he didn't even argue the scum should shoot Goodmorning. He just wanted it to be not-IAI, he didn't even think of Goodmorning getting shot. That's very, very odd for someone who is so strongly reading her as scum. He's strongly reading her, but he isn't really willing to push her and doesn't even think of having a vig shoot her? That's downright off.
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Well you understand that sitting here looking at my town role PM and knowing I'm in BBT's slot, this is hyper strong eye roll material. I mean if you do lynch me today you'd know I'm not lying and then you'd be reading her as town, yes? So if I set aside the "she's scum with confirmed town" line of logic (which is not convincing to me, obviously) then what do we have? Not much.In post 691, BlackVoid wrote:
I haven't dismissed you. I think if you are town, it's good for town. If you are scum, it's good for scum. I'm reading your slot as scum.In post 686, GreyICE wrote:Interesting that you read Biker Wars, and yet are willing to dismiss me so lightly.
I'm happy to discuss your reads although it's going to take a lot to change my mind here. Your read on goodmorning is the one I'm most curious about. I have her as likely scum with your slot based on interactions with BBT.
What we do have is someone who is actively annoyed at being ignored.That's always good. Lets look at her logic:
That's actually insightful thought, buried under the trolling and silliness.In post 112, goodmorning wrote:
I like that you start by saying "IF" and then somewhere between there and the end of the post it magically changes to "IS" with no real explanation.In post 101, Jaack wrote:If there is scum on the wagon
And by "I like" I mean "I don't like." Also VCA is dumb ok
She's wagon building, she has a specific lynch candidate in mind and she wants people to join her.In post 185, goodmorning wrote:Come join me on the Victor wagon, everyone! It's becoming better and better by the minute!
I mean what more do you want. It's not like these are isolated, she has more things I like when I read her. She fucks around but doesn't use it as an excuse to not provide content. She has strong reads and she pushes them. She feels like she's genuinely trying to solve the game. That's not someone I read as scum.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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@BlackVoid:So why Victor town? Obviously I disagree, but I'm curious as to your reasons.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Oh god no, Rask was hyper obviously town from post 1.
What sort of scum says "folks, I'm changing my playstyle, so deal y'all" and then doesn't even bother to tell you what she's changing her playstyle to or use it to provide excuses or anything? Good god, it would take scum with enormous titanium nads to just run something like that out there with no explanation. Scum always want to explain big things, because they have thought of an explanation to explain why its townie when they post them, and then they want to show off that explanation. She was just like "fuck off with the meta reads meta is fucking stupid and I'm doing something different."
Fucking town as hell, thank you very much.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Sure, I'll wait for BV to answer.In post 698, TwoFace wrote:@grey. Once you're done questioning about victor. I actually have a question for you but want to wait until you're done asking about victorShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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In post 703, Hoopla wrote:Grey, I have a question to ask you too. But I want to wait until Twoface asks his question.Question Queue- TwoFace
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I'll be honest, I tend to focus on people I'm scum reading harder than I focus on town reads when I've got 700 posts to read. As a result I've probably skimmed a few of your posts. But honestly your reasoning in 565 is weak. "You should focus more on X than Y" is silly. It basically boils down to "in my opinion X is scummier" and unless you think someone is transparently manufacturing reasons to make reads, it's a point so weak it's non-existent (protip: everyone is inconsistent if you squint hard enough. Yes, even you). I mean honestly your entire case is "she's scum with you" which I know factually isn't true. Sooooo... yeah. It's just factually not a thing that is true. If that's it, I can rest assured whatever else happens you're not mislynching her, so I think we're good on this one.In post 704, BlackVoid wrote:@Grey, I think GM's point on Jaack was a good one but that was an exception. It was one of the reasons I was townreading her for earlier. But her reads on BBT and Sotty7 are shifty regardless of your alignment. She started out scumreading BBT, then was okay with a completely boring answer from BBT and then said she prefers the Sotty7 wagon. Detailed version is in 565. By the way, have you caught up? I thought if you were caught up enough to have reads on the entire playerlist, you'd notice my wall on GM.
Victor is explained in 281 and 284. Your case assumes that every town that gets townread uses that to "smash home wagons on scum" which is playstyle-dependent, not alignment. I fully agree with him that IAI shouldn't be vigged. IAI literally mentioned that he had business in NYC, etc during the first week of the game. Interpreting that to mean "lurker" is uncharitable unless you think he's lying about it. Now that he's here and caught up, I assume he'll get engaged and people can get an actual read on him. That's very different from the idea of shooting "useless lurkers."
Hey, wanna see something interesting though? This forum has a feature that lets you see all of a user's posts. Here, let me link you: http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 0&sr=posts
Tell me more about how IAI didn't have enough time to post on say, October 21st. Or 20th. Or 19th. Yep, he definitely didn't seem to have any time.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Pffft, those are the best rosetta stones. When someone puts a ton of thought into things they produce something that's really structured and sensible and can be totally non-alignment indicative. Little throwaway comments? Those can be awesome.In post 705, Raskolnikov wrote:Well if that isn't a melodramatic ridiculously over the top read greyice I don't know what is
no comment on the rest but who needs to read any further when you can make out a small (nai?) disclaimer to be the rosetta stone
I mean it also helps you're like obvtown without that, but yeah, you were town from post 1.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Wait what.
No.
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I dunno. I'd like to hear from Michael Sableheart. I kind of feel like you're really town and like I kind of want to lynch Jack too, so I think we're on similar pages.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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I mean I guess we could karaoke or something.
But we'd probably get lynched for spamming the thread.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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I mean I guess we could karaoke or something.
But we'd probably get lynched for spamming the thread.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Sooooo... all I need is for BV to find 9 scum reads and 3 town reads and I think we've got this game in the bag.In post 719, BlackVoid wrote:So, the more I think about this, GM is probably town. I do like her points on Jaack and I think the emotional push on Victor looked townish which means my scumteam theory is probably wrong. There was also something about the way Jaack was grilling MariaR that gave me townvibes.
Making a note to myself to look at Grey/Rask/Hoopla interactions. All of them are weird and there might be something there. The Rask/Hoopla early game cases on each other + Rask voting Sotty7 after he called her scum with BBT and then defending GreyICE + Hoopla's unvote of an L-1 wagon with intent to hammer. There's something there and I need to figure out if that's the team. That's my new working theory.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Because I genuinely have no read on him. If you pointed a gun at me I'd guess scum. There's just too many contradictions in a bad way. But then he goes and follows up on a point or something and I feel better. But like things like this grate:In post 717, MariaR wrote:F is for friends who do stuff together-Aw fine
Do you want to talk to Michael cause you think he's town or just wanna hear what he's gotta say
In post 302, MichelSableheart wrote:I'm very concerned with how other players perceive me, so I make sure to make my thoughts as explicit as I possibly can. That way, players see I'm coming from a town mindset.
REALLY FUCKING EXPLICIT THOUGHTS THERE AMRIGHT? OH NO WAIT ITS TRANSPARENT AS LEADIn post 77, MichelSableheart wrote: Also, looking over goodmorning's ISO, I don't see a lot there that's making me feel good about the slot. Better bandwagon then Rask, IMO.
Vote: goodmorning
I don't think his reasoning is very good, which is a very bad sign from someone who states his goal is to make his reasoning as explicit as possible. I think it's a hard playstyle to do as scum, and I think the alignment non-indicative "this is how I play" and "I lynch all liars" stuff is giving him a town read his posting hasn't earned.
Soooo... I think it's time me and him have an explicit chat. He can bring the reasoning, I'll bring the profanity.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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I'd like to nominate the post above me as the single most fake post in this thread.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Diary of BV, Day 37: I see a connection between Maria and Goodmorning now. How will we pull this together? If only we could isolate a common factor... aha! Mhsmith0. That man ties the entire plot together. Surely he is the reason that I am alone in this universe, except for my good friends IAI and Victor, who will surely not keep me alive to LyLo while all my scumreads get night killed.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Sure. Lets see. Hmmm.In post 737, VictorDeAngelo wrote:
So you don't want to respond to anything else I said?In post 731, GreyICE wrote:I'd like to nominate the post above me as the single most fake post in this thread.
- You're stretching!
- You should read!
- You're reaching!
Then you respond by my point that you're not pushing Goodmorning or working with any of the people townreading you to get her lynched by saying "well yeah I'd still lynch her". You know what? I imagine you would.
You want the only response any townie should have?
Vote: Victor
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You're a broken record. Stretching! Read more! Stretching! I mean I'm proud you found a thesaurus and discovered reaching was a synonym for stretching but your response sucked. And now you're trying to taunt me.
I seriously wanted sableheart to chat because I don't like some of his stuff, but you're uncomfortable with where you stand. It's predictable, the only things you've really cared about is other people's town reads (getting your own scum reads pushed at all is a distant second) but if you're not going to sit patiently, then I'll cram a wagon down your throat and talk to sableheart too. It'll be multitasking.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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You casting shade on me while saying stuff like this is not a good look for you Hoopla.In post 743, Hoopla wrote:This has been a good hustle by Grey so far. He's really doing his slot proud, but I'm still not sold on Victor scum, sooooo I'm just gonna chill on the Jack wagon for a while...ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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I think it's a little odd, but I think it's also similar to how you might react if someone was voting a town read of yours. If Sotty is scum, then I'd say it points towards Victor town, since she'd have had to have made a conscious decision to support his towniness, and then left him off her reads list after specifically deciding how to treat her buddy? If it was most other players I'd dismiss the possibility out of hand, but Sotty might think to do that. Regardless, I think that the more likely explanation is the simple one. Sotty is town, she thought of some town reads off her head when she was asked, she didn't think of victor.In post 753, TwoFace wrote:
What do you make of sotty's attempts to buddy victor? Also thoughta on Sotty doing a list of reads when he left victor off.In post 706, GreyICE wrote:In post 703, Hoopla wrote:Grey, I have a question to ask you too. But I want to wait until Twoface asks his question.Question Queue- TwoFace
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IAI's fake vigor is as hilarious as it is pathetic. "I run this town!" He's using it to disguise the fact he doesn't want to give any reads. It's fake aggression from a player that's very well aware he has earned a vigging and desperately wants to avoid that.
As for the Michael Sableheart, you're watching my thoughts immediately after I replace in versus my thoughts after I read over more and think about it. But I guess when you have nothing, you have to cling to every little scrap.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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I'm not casting shade on you. I'm flat out saying you're scum. You were active on site during the period of your "read up" where you weren't apparently able to follow this game, you've provided little content since your return, even your push on me is shit.In post 780, I Am Innocent wrote:
What are you going on about here? Casting shade, lying about my reads (I've got a list with every player!), saying I'm afraid of a vigging yet why would I be since when you flip scum I'll be nearly confirmed with my L-1 vote and hard push to get a seventh vote (see offer made to maria).In post 763, GreyICE wrote:IAI's fake vigor is as hilarious as it is pathetic. "I run this town!" He's using it to disguise the fact he doesn't want to give any reads. It's fake aggression from a player that's very well aware he has earned a vigging and desperately wants to avoid that.
As for the Michael Sableheart, you're watching my thoughts immediately after I replace in versus my thoughts after I read over more and think about it. But I guess when you have nothing, you have to cling to every little scrap.
So confident he was town to now pushing as possible scum, quite the 180 considering no addl posts. I call scum BS!
Hoopla and cloud please trust me on this one. Maria the day 2 offer still stands if you come over as well too.
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Wait, you mean to say as you actually started posting things I was able to get a better read on you?
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And also:
This seems to be the very specific sort of business where you could be active in one game and yet completely inactive in this one.In post 441, I Am Innocent wrote:
Apparently I need to be more specific when LA... :-/In post 183, I Am Innocent wrote:Sorry all real life craziness til Tuesday. Might have a little time Saturday or Monday to get to this.
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Sorry, I don't value my own survival above a scum death.In post 788, Hoopla wrote:Grey, if you value your own survival, you'd be voting Jack about here.
Obviously I prefer not me to me, but given I've got until Thursday to rally a lynch on someone I think is scum AND I want to talk to Sableheart's replacement even more now, I'm perfectly content with this.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Although it does make me ask, why are you trying to pressure me before I've even gotten a chance to talk to Sableheart's replacement?
I've been extraordinarily clear that I want to clear up that slot because its communication, although town-sounding, was extremely lacking in insightful comments, and for someone who said he wanted to overexplain all of his actions his votes were explained pretty thinly. Now that he's replaced out, I'm even more interested.
Are you saying that you have him so firmly town that you're not even curious?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Hey Sotty, a bunch small number of people are attacking me viciously. What does this remind you of?In post 788, Hoopla wrote:Grey, if you value your own survival, you'd be voting Jack about here.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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oh ffs quote bug.
Hey Sotty, answer the above question.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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I'm pretty sure my preferred order would be Victor>IAI>Jack.In post 794, Hoopla wrote:I'm curious, but not four days from a deadline. That slot is no chance of being lynched. Cut your losses and help the town by improving the chance of someone else being lynched. Of course, if you're scum, go ahead and do whatever you want...
Also, four days from deadline? Seriously? There's like mafia games where a day phase is four days long. You could organize a lynch in four hours.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Frankly? I'm a fucking excellent player day 1, while you self-admittedly struggle. Now you can argue "oh you replaced in so you don't have cred". To which I respond you have exactly as much cred as you give me. I think the odds are pretty significant that I'm right here. I know the odds are 100% I'm town here. And frankly, I think you know I'm town as well, you just don't want to admit it.In post 810, Hoopla wrote:
No matter how good you think your reasons are on Victor and IAI, you don't have the cred to call the shots and rally the town. I'm throwing you an olive branch here; a chance of survival by getting a Jack wagon well and truly going, with an opportunity to improve your image and influence in the game tomorrow. He's your third suspect and it's D1 -- how much better do youIn post 804, GreyICE wrote:Also, four days from deadline? Seriously? There's like mafia games where a day phase is four days long. You could organize a lynch in four hours.reallythink the odds of Victor or IAI being scum over Jack are?
Sell me on Jack being scum the traditional way. Because right now you're being diet ABR, and full test ABR is shit anyway.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Now Hoopla, I'm noticing a contradiction that's irking me a little. Unlikesomepeople around here I don't think every contradiction is automatically 100% scummy, but I do think this one is obnoxious enough that I want to directly ask you about it.
In post 787, Hoopla wrote:I'm not afraid of a hammer. Like I said earlier, I think Grey has earnt his keep. The value he provides if he's town overrides the chance of that slot being scum. When I unvoted and moved onto Jack I sensed a real chance of a rapid wagon happening there, but maybe I misread the situation? Either way, I will compromise soon if nobody wants to lynch Jack and I'll get back on the Grey wagon.
What's my fucking value to the town if you're not willing to listen to me? It's not like I claimed some fucking awesome power role or something (you have no idea what my role is), you're basing this entirely on the strength of my dayplay. So... how strong is my dayplay if you won't give me any goddamn credit.In post 810, Hoopla wrote:
No matter how good you think your reasons are on Victor and IAI, you don't have the cred to call the shots and rally the town. I'm throwing you an olive branch here; a chance of survival by getting a Jack wagon well and truly going, with an opportunity to improve your image and influence in the game tomorrow. He's your third suspect and it's D1 -- how much better do youIn post 804, GreyICE wrote:Also, four days from deadline? Seriously? There's like mafia games where a day phase is four days long. You could organize a lynch in four hours.reallythink the odds of Victor or IAI being scum over Jack are?ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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I'm willing to compromise onto IAI since you townread Victor for some reason (seriously man... why).In post 817, BlackVoid wrote:Finally, I'm not comfortable with the inevitability of a Jaack lynch. Regardless of alignment, Sotty7 and GreyICE have people strongly townreading them or refusing to lynch them. Jaack doesn't have that. He's been fairly low-key, and no one has been willing to bat for him particularly hard. So when deadline comes, people from both camps will likely "compromise" on him when they can't get their first choice lynch. I think he's town and I want to open up that discussion before it's too late.
See, I'm willing to work with you because you try to talk to me while Hoopla threatens me like a terrorist. There's a lesson there for someone (hint: HOOPLA)ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Oh? You honestly think I'm scum here? I don't give a fuck about BBT, do you think I'm scum?In post 806, Sotty7 wrote:
I don't know what your getting at, but there is a pretty big wagon on you at this point. If you're talking about the nightless game, I have scrubed a lot of that from my memory, but I can go back and read that. If your not talking about that you're going to have to hold my hand.In post 801, GreyICE wrote:
Hey Sotty, a bunch small number of people are attacking me viciously. What does this remind you of?In post 788, Hoopla wrote:Grey, if you value your own survival, you'd be voting Jack about here.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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While it's a common misconception, town has to work together. If you plan to play the game on your own you're not playing like town, you're playing like a serial killer.In post 820, MariaR wrote:You get a sr and you get a sr YOU ALL GET FUCKING SR'S!ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Sadly it's a bad way to win. You'll spend a lot of days not getting shot by scum that way, and you won't be shot by them because you're not a threat to them.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Mmmm, okay.
I want you to remember something if you guys do lynch me. You're really bad at this game. I'm confirmed town, and I'm a much better player than you, so sheep my reads.
You need to lynch Victor, IAI, and Hoopla. Those are the three that need to die. I'll be confirmed town tomorrow, and I'm a far better player than any of you, and that's how you guys are going to win.
Sotty, sadly, is town. It turns out she's fucking terrible town, which is sad. She's decent as scum.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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I don't negotiate with terrorists.In post 828, Hoopla wrote:
Your thoughts have value IF you're town. If we had a full day tomorrow, I'm sure we could talk about anything. You could even interrogate Michel's slot, but now isn't the time. In saying all that, the spirited defenses of Jack put up by TwoFace and BlackVoid, along with your refusal to compromise makes me think that lynch isn't as viable as I thought anyhow and perhaps that window of opportunity has passed, so I'm jumping back on your wagon...In post 818, GreyICE wrote:What's my fucking value to the town if you're not willing to listen to me? It's not like I claimed some fucking awesome power role or something (you have no idea what my role is), you're basing this entirely on the strength of my dayplay. So... how strong is my dayplay if you won't give me any goddamn credit.
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L-1 again. Someone should declare intent soon...
She's putting town to L-1 to threaten me onto Jack's wagon over lynching Victor, when she won't even say that Victor is town or that I'm scum.
Hoopla is scum, and should be lynched.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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And? If I get lynched I'm confirmed town. Trust me Rask, I'm a better player. Hoopla is trying to see how to play this. She wanted to threaten me into mislynching Jack. She can't, so she's decided to see if she can get my lynch off.
She's definitely scum, this is how scum hoopla thinks.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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In post 599, Hoopla wrote:
Welcome old friend, but your slot is on the ropes. There's no shame in phoning it in if you're scum and hanging out in the dead thread. I'll be there after N1 to come and reminisce about days gone by.In post 598, GreyICE wrote:Hi friends. How goes? I saw the player list and replaced in without reading anything else.
We can see from minute 1 that she's been discouraging me from posting or giving my thoughts on the game, because she's pretty convinced she has this one tied up.In post 743, Hoopla wrote:This has been a good hustle by Grey so far. He's really doing his slot proud, but I'm still not sold on Victor scum, sooooo I'm just gonna chill on the Jack wagon for a while...ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Well you can't do anything. What you can do is lynch Hoopla, IAI, and Victor if I'm dead.
Oh and if you are a vig (and don't say one way or the other), blast hoopla right between the eyes. Her play today has been scum as shit, and she knows I'm town. I needed her to vote me knowing I'm town to confirm it.
Look at her justification for the vote - I won't vote Jack with her. She doesn't even say she thinks I'm flipping scum, she's just trying to narrow the town's options down.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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The best part? There's nothing she can say to this except double down on her fake read. Because I'm flipping town and she knows it. There's going to be a bright green flip, and all she needs is the town apathy to get there.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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Yeah. The problem is we have black and cloud. Black is a scum asset, he's just honestly that bad, and cloud... I have no idea. I think he's fucking high as a kite.
If Michael is town (and his last game was scum and he stayed the course, I don't think he replaces out just because he draws scum) then that's basically three townies we're down.ShowThat which is done out of love always takes place beyond good and evil
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