Mini Normal 1841 - At The End... (GAME OVER)

[iraonavp]

Hi everyone!

I'm town-aligned.

[iraonavp]

holy fuck

ira's gonna be a slot in this game that i can't read

Don't worry, I'm town-aligned.

VOTE: Dunnstral

He seems too confident to know that Creature and Transcend are scum-aligned together this early...

[iraonavp]

Actually, I already changed my mind as I was reading through...

VOTE: Transcend

Because you are hiding behind WIFOM, to use it as deflection. While the reasoning is null-aligned, this is very scum-aligned and you think you can get away with it!

[iraonavp]

Actually, I already changed my mind as I was reading through...

VOTE: Transcend

Because you are hiding behind WIFOM, to use it as deflection. While the reasoning is null-aligned, this is very scum-aligned and you think you can get away with it!

What specifically are you talking about here

When Transcend dismisses attempts to read him because he claims to be unreadable...

He thinks it's null-aligned, but it's actually not!

You know, he's trying to lynch me now just because he is worried I will tunnel him...

[iraonavp]

@All anyone care to explain the shit posting before?

Do you care to explain yours?

Do you care to quit asking leading, factually inaccurate questions?

1) Shitposting is posting not related to the game at hand.

People were Shitposting about a prior game. I asked about it.

Kaboom.

You be scums. Hide in fear.

This is just what dunn does lol

serious question; what do you plan to accomplish with that vote?

You know math isn't going to get the run-up

Why wouldn't I get the run up? Everyone should be poked and prodded. No one is immune.

VOTE: Dunnstral

Explain.

This is more than a stretch, beyond a reach, this is annoying me

You know it isn't. Pre determining which players will and won't be wagoned is scummy as fuck.

I like this post.

Spoiler: Reasoning

Acrually pursuing a topic rather than ignoring it, feel that scum would like to drop a topic if no one follows

Man

I give too many townreads on people too early, but it's hard not to townread this. This just oozes sincerity.

I know, you seem town-aligned too.

[iraonavp]

Oh lol

I don't think scum usually lie about their playstyle in general though

Transcend usually enters the game kinda awkwardly as scum, here here's coming out guns blazing which looks town to me.

You can tell he believes he is unreadable, but he is also scum-aligned...

Well, I doubt he is vigilante so he is coming out guns blazing to shoot us all!

[iraonavp]

I enter awkward as either alignment. I think my entrance this game was awkward as I had to deal with an L-3 wagon on me.

Mostly, ira's posts annoy me and it's a chore reading them.

See!

Transcend is voting me even though I'm town-aligned, it's a very thin and fake excuse...

[iraonavp]

i can't read iraon i kinda think he's town but

I DEMAND HE GETS VIGGED TONIGHT

VOTE: Creature

Just backing off since he knows policy vote looks bad.

Also, more proof he is not vigilante...

[iraonavp]

Can you explain why transcend claiming to be unreadable is scummy though?

Because if he was town-aligned, he would not care about his appearances. Here, Transcend is posturing solely to make himself look town-aligned or at worst null-aligned.

Also, scum tend to play more cautiously since they are afraid of being caught.

Transcend thinks he can never be caught because he will just do this and probably nobody votes him...

[iraonavp]

hey is there a bb-code to remove the word "aligned" from this game or something

No, there isn't, but I can make a userscript if you want after I get to a computer. And you never had a problem until after I said you were scum-aligned...

[iraonavp]

It's harmless I'm sure you know... You are just finding reason to justify your vote previously, since the policy vote is still looking out of place.

[iraonavp]

@the people who've played with JarJar before: does he usually believe his reads are amazing and read people based on how they agree with them, refuse to discuss with townreads, and/or scumread people for semantics reasons?

Yes, it's an exact definition of JarJarDrinks.

[iraonavp]

And you

Not true, I always discuss!

[iraonavp]

Please quit while you're ahead.

I know, seems quite unlikely to me too...

[iraonavp]

It seems like Infinity-234 is town-aligned.

Dongempire, what does your signature mean?

[iraonavp]

Transcend's BS'd reads of Mini 1841 v 1.1

{Gamma Emerald}

{Infinity 324, Zachstralkita}

{xNadrojx, Dunnstral, MathBlade, Something_Smart}

{JarJarDrinks, iraonavp, Dongempire}

{AlpacaAlpaca}

{}

{Creature}

VOTE: Creature

Is where I'm at right now.

Alpaca's tunnel doesn't feel right on me, I get it that I owned him but his tunnel on me feels flat and I think he kept the charade going on for a bit too long.

Math and Dunn might be TVT but I put both of them in the third tier because of uncertainty

Jordan had a towny opening but his progression through the game has been meh.

SS is a tonal townread and I had the same reads as him at one point.

I liked Infinity's catch up.

Can you like, explain Gamma and Creature, I don't reallu understand why are they your top townreads and scumreads respectively

Transend please answer this.

You said it wrong, it's actually Transcend...

[iraonavp]

No, it is not.

[iraonavp]

Glad nadr popped in to ask a useless question that shows he hasn't read only to disappear immediately

What's nadr?

[iraonavp]

yeah....

people misspell my name quite a bit on here.

i should make a collage.

It's not even hard to spell!

People always call me ironvp, it's really annoying.

[iraonavp]

@smart How does saying that you don't take issue with someone look like a WK? That's my question, obvious it's best to point something out of it does look like WKing.

Because by saying "actually" he's kinda admitting that I'm scummy while calling me town. It seems phrased as though he's defending a popular target (as a WK would), except that I'm not a popular target.

Also, why ask ira if he has a history of correctly reading me? Is that necessary to have a townread on someone?

No, but I want to know how much I can trust that read/expect that it be accurate, because I know my history of reading you is terrible.

I don't really know who he is, but he seems town-aligned to me.

[iraonavp]

if im not mistaken Math that amazing confidence you possess, which is actually arrogance, shined brilliantly in Wake's Role Madness where you embarrassed yourself with your reads in regard to myself and Dunnstral's hydra. So did Shaziro.

If anyone cares to know, Dunn said something random offhandedly and those two geniuses turned it into a "mafia crumb" because it was a song lyric. And Dunn said the word blue.

I thought they were joking, but no no no it was a serious read. Which made it even more of a joke to me. But that was the fruit of your genuine detective work.

Yet you're not fazed at all. Really love the tenacity, but it just seems like such a waste. Like you post that, go to work all day, then come back home and still think the same thing? You spent your recreational time formulating bullshit? I'm just telling you in advance, you're going to be sort of disappointed. What is the end result? Because you're not gonna get me lynched. Even if you did, I would flip green. And I think your reads on Dunn and S_S are ludicrous anyway.

Please please please divert your precious precious energy elsewhere, maybe someplace it will be useful. Go wild. Give us some percent equations maybe. Then solve them while we find scum and stuff. I'm telling you, it's gonna be great.

[iraonavp]

Oh yeah that ^

PEdit: I'm pretty sure games with encryptors don't mention anything in the rules wrt daytalk

It's not true, you say there is no daytalk if there is encryptor...

[iraonavp]

It's in violation of the Normal guidelines, you should report it to your local authorities.

[iraonavp]

Also I'm p sure scum have motivation not to make themselves look like idiots

I know, seems like Mathblade is town-aligned.

[iraonavp]

Only thing it says about daytalk in normal game rules: "Mafia may have daytalk without an Encryptor as long as it is announced in the game's rules beforehand.
"

Well, I didn't know that. It seems like you can deduce if they have an encryptor by some moderators accidentally putting that there isn't daytalk, that's how Dunnstral knew...

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Creature

Seems like a good vote.

[iraonavp]

Also I'm p sure scum have motivation not to make themselves look like idiots

I know, seems like Mathblade is town-aligned.

Haha

Says the guy who intentionally tries to look dumb as scum

Whether scum not having natural daytalk is mentioned or not, there can always be an encryptor or not. I really don't know why dunn said there was

Well, not really...

Since if there wasn't an encryptor, maybe inspectorscout would say there is no daytalk. Also, it's partially a guess.

[iraonavp]

Not lurking because I am scum, it's because it's so hard to get a read there.

See, you only post when I vote you!

[iraonavp]

If you think Zach selfvoting is town, take a look at Micro 601, RC did basically the same thing.

It's clearly a joke vote, you know...

[iraonavp]

Okay, you're scum-aligned then.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Creature

Seems like a good vote.

thank the lord

I'm here to help.

If you ever need help bussing again, just ask!

[iraonavp]

If you think Zach selfvoting is town, take a look at Micro 601, RC did basically the same thing.

Why are you comparing zach to RC, RC is not a standard scum player.

Not saying zach is, but still

I think the selfvote is NAI

Since if there wasn't an encryptor, maybe inspectorscout would say there is no daytalk.

I actually think it's more likely he'd say nothing about it if there was an encryptor

That's what I meant, I think you misread...

[iraonavp]

Okay, you're scum-aligned then.

Out of me lurking, you scumread me for a post I usually post as town?

Well, not really.

[iraonavp]

Seems unlikely...

[iraonavp]

Because both of them are very town-aligned to me...

[iraonavp]

Pedit: Both you and Something smart, Gamma.

How can it be pedit if you made a new post for it, MouthBlade?

[iraonavp]

Well, maybe we should lynch XnodrajX, but it doesn't seem likely.

Zachstralkita is a poor idea...

[iraonavp]

sick scumhunting ^^

I can scumhunt if you want, but doesn't seem necessary shen they basically claimed in the thread...

[iraonavp]

How does it not seem likely? Seems like we have enough people to bring them to l-2 without a lot of other people weighing in

I agree with Infinity-234, just seems like a newbie...

[iraonavp]

Pedit: Both you and Something smart, Gamma.

How can it be pedit if you made a new post for it, MouthBlade?

Because PEDIT stands for post edit...I meant for it to be in combination

And yes I have a rather large mouth. I'm quite loud. I gots no shame in that.

You could just make a separate post then.

[iraonavp]

How does it not seem likely? Seems like we have enough people to bring them to l-2 without a lot of other people weighing in

I agree with Infinity-234, just seems like a newbie...

So do you "think it's not likely" (I assume you meant the lynch)

Or do you not want to vote because you townread them?

I mean it's not likely for them to be scum-aligned.

[iraonavp]

Because they are both town-aligned.

[iraonavp]

i am a 5-shot dayvig.

i have 5 chances to shoot scum during the course of the day.

the bad news is: if i shoot 3 town, then the mafia instantaneously wins.

im shooting iraona, mathblade, creature, jordan and alpacalpaca

if anyone objects say so now, otherwise, it's show time.

You should shoot yourself, for being scum-aligned and lying about your role!

You can't be telling the truth, or else you would've used your ability and instantly won...

[iraonavp]

Okay, Dongempire is scum-aligned then.

[iraonavp]

Fine with AlpacaAlpaca being vigged.

It's not even a Normal role you know... Or else inspectorscout will be detained by the list moderators.

[iraonavp]

Ask Dunn, he added a dayvig in his mini.

But it's impossible to have the shooting three town-aligned players clause...

It would never pass the balance check.

[iraonavp]

@dong I can see what you're saying that nadr's posts don't seem to lead anywhere, but that is often the case with noob town. They scumhunt in a way they think helps, regardless of what other people think or whether it actually helps or not. Scum, even noob scum like to make sure their actions look good and productive from the outside. Nadr is town.

I'm thinking the nadr wagon could be a CW to creature. Or zach for that matter, zach seems a little off this game to me. Dunn would be the most likely suspect for that, and maybe dong since he seems like a good player but hasn't done a lot that can't be faked by scum. I want to say dunn's random vote-hopping is alignment indicative, but I really don't think it is.

Ira could be buddying me but other than that I still don't know how to read him.

If creature was town scum would be all over his lynch. Let's get him.

I'm not buddying you, I just think you are town-aligned.

[iraonavp]

No, I don't agree about Zachstralia.

[iraonavp]

But probably it's just because we are town-aligned together and have the right idea...

[iraonavp]

Possible.

Have some of your reads (e.g. nadr and creature) been influenced by mine or did you just happen to have the same opinion as me?

Maybe about nadr, but I don't remember what you said about Creature.

[iraonavp]

Perfect mislynches should be calculated, scum don't want to lose that opportunity early.

What is the relevance?

[iraonavp]

Okay i have read everything probably doing some isos tomorrow.

For now:
Mathblade: top townread
JarJar, Infinity, Dong: town
Trancend, ironavp, Creature: Null
scumlean: XnadrojX, Something_Smart
scum: Gamma Emerald, Zachstralkita

Off to bed now.

Why? I don't see how this makes sense. It omits people for one thing. It makes me feel like you want to be my buddy rather than genuine reads.

That's rather unwholesome.

It sounds like you want to fake the town-aligned tell of questioning someone's town-aligned read on you.

[iraonavp]

The reads are based on one quick read through and gut right now.

Feel free to ask me about the reads you dont like.
I started doing Isos still reading you (MathBalde) town.
Might change my mind about Zach. First impression was he had done nothing all game and just posted offtopic stuff. But after reading his Iso he had about 10% useful posts.

Yeah, Zachstralia always posts offtopic stuff a lot...

Still, it seems like that's his way of playing the game and there are hidden messages if you understand what they mean. He's not jumping across the place, and is just relaxed pushing his reads.

[iraonavp]

How is it aligned to forget to add a player on the list?

How is it aligned to have you at the top of the list?

Actually, you are the one who is ridiculous.

[iraonavp]

Okay, let's vote Creature now, everyone!

[iraonavp]

Vig you know who to shoot

I know already, you don't need to tell me... I'll shoot Transcend.

[iraonavp]

Vig you know who to shoot

It's just a joke, you know...

[iraonavp]

Okay, my reads are Infinity-234, Zachstralkita, and Manuel87.

[iraonavp]

No, he wouldn't do that probably.

Also, Dongempire is quite scum-aligned...

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Transcend

Seems like a good vote.

[iraonavp]

Town

I know, you didn't need to tell me...

[iraonavp]

I has reasons why I post the way I do.
The things I say may sound strange to you.

Cannot explain further as it is antitown.
Sorry if this makes you frown.

It sounds like you want to lynch Transcend.
But your case is missing I do contend.

Why do you think Transcend is scum?
And why should he the lynch become?

Can you speak normally? I can't read it.

[iraonavp]

Good guy

I know, you didn't need to tell me...

[iraonavp]

See! That means Zachstralia is a cop...

[iraonavp]

See! That means Zachstralia is a cop...

Why are you doing this

Sorry, I didn't mean it. You can see Transcend is just trolling because he knows that he is scum-aligned and caught by cop...

[iraonavp]

He can't be miller since he would have claimed already at day 1... Therefore, Transcend is confirmed as scum-aligned.

[iraonavp]

Don't worry, I am doctor so I can protect you.

[iraonavp]

Well, actually I am a doctor of philosophy so it might not be of any use...

[iraonavp]

Well, actually I am a doctor of philosophy so it might not be of any use...

I'd like a solid real answer, please.

If you're not a protective then say so.

No, I'm just vanilla.

[iraonavp]

I have a 50% chance

I was either blocked or saved

[iraonavp]

Why didn't we lynch Transcend yet?

[iraonavp]

JarJarDrinks is probably town-aligned anyway.

Transcend is confirmed as scum-aligned because he thought Zachstralia was cop or roleblocker and was trolling...

But now Manuel claiming for no reason opened his chances.

[iraonavp]

nadr could be scum-aligned, though...

[iraonavp]

Tomorrow I will do some srs gamesolving

You mean you need time to lie.
:/

I don't like infinity's post here. Feels off.

It reeks of either not wanting to lynch JarJar or knowing JarJar is town. Feels wrong.

V/la til Monday hooray internet stuff for work is good but boooo lack of time to Mafia post sorry.

This is very scum-aligned too...

Okay, my reads in order are Transcend, Mouthblade, nadr. I don't know how to resolve Transcend accusing two of them, but he is the best lynch independently.

[iraonavp]

JarJarDrinks still I don't support at all...

VOTE: Mouthblade

[iraonavp]

I don't think so, more likely that Manuel was shot.

Also, it's possible that jar is scum-aligned from the votes but he seems null-aligned.

[iraonavp]

Because nobody I thought was scum-aligned voted you ever...

[iraonavp]

It just makes you more scum-aligned since you would know what they flip...

Do you really consider that when reading players other than yourself?

It's a weak argument and I don't know if you believe it.

[iraonavp]

I have reason to believe this is mafia.
VOTE: Infinity 324

What?

[iraonavp]

Okay, fine. It's enough to make you immune for today so we will lynch Mouthblade instead...

[iraonavp]

I have reason to believe this is mafia.
VOTE: Infinity 324

I think I might know what this is about

Okay, it looks like Gamma Emerald is definitely town-aligned then even if you're scum-aligned.

[iraonavp]

If anyone wants to explain why they think I'm scum then go ahead and I'll defend myself the best I can.

If you guys are just gonna lazily speedlynch town for a 3rd straight day then just lemme know so I don't have to waste my time.

Either you or Dong are scum.

Btw the lynch yesterday was the most retarded thing i have seen on this site.

Why did you vote him then?

[iraonavp]

Sorry, I got confused of who you are.

[iraonavp]

I'd be willing to hear your side, but you need to come up with a theory about why there was no kill n1.

Huh? What does there being no kill have anything to do with my alignment? Are you just talking about stuff randomly?

Stop playing dumb. There was no kill n1, and transcend was protected. It seems likely transcend was killed, and he had to have been killed for a reasons. Scum don't WIFOM n1 kills.

Playing dumb?

Are you saying that the fact that scum likely tried to shoot trans N1 has something to do w/ my alignment? Trans didn't really start scumreading me hard until day 2. On Day 1 I was just one of his MANY scumreads.

So again I ask: What does this have to do with MY alignment?

It looks like you prepared to defend against this...

[iraonavp]

I meant why did you vote Transcend, but I misidentified you because I have propoagnosia...

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Infinity-234

Don't believe it...

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Infinity-234

Don't believe it...

Read my posts.

So you think there is ninja vigilante?

[iraonavp]

I don't understand...

If Infinity didn't kill him and got vigilante, why didn't Gamma Emerald see it?

[iraonavp]

Ninja scum obviously

It's not obvious, that seems improbable...

Why did you get vigilante then?

[iraonavp]

So why isn't it ninja vigilante?

[iraonavp]

The game according to the first post was explicitly reviewed for normalcy and balance but I am not seeing the balance here with all these PRs.

Because Infinity is lying about it, obviously...

[iraonavp]

I have a bad feeling about this. If Infinity is town and we lynch him we risk losing the game. We can easily ynch someone we think is scum regardless of infinity's alignment today, and then lynch infinity tomorrow if he doesn't prove himself with a shot.

It doesn't need randomness, it can use it's own order of operations

It seems right but I would only agree if we lynched Mouthblade instead...

[iraonavp]

UNVOTE: Infinity-234

Seems like a good unvote.

[iraonavp]

Manuel87,
Since Zach is the JK, believing you are BP is hard.

Why would he claim under no pressure as scum-aligned?

Doesn't seem likely...

[iraonavp]

UNVOTE: Infinity

OK, will devote him once everyone e had a chance to chime in.

Seems like a scum-aligned unvote.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Moutthblade

Manuel is clearly town-aligned...

[iraonavp]

Same, until I saw the day start PM.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: Moutthblade

Manuel is clearly town-aligned...

Explain how Manuel is "clearly town aligned" when his claimed role doesn't fit within the given setup. All he did toward the end of day yesterday is try to impede the infinity lynch.

No, it's not true.

[iraonavp]

It's impossible for manuel to randomly fakeclaim in the middle of the day! He's just a newbie who got trapped by Dunnstral's speculation.

You know as well as I do that the Normal Game Aristocracy give excessive town-aligned roles because the players are so incompetent...

[iraonavp]

I can confirm that I am not scum.

@Dongempire I have to disagree with you for that, I don't believe JarJar is scum, and I am most certainly NOT shitposting.

Went back and ISOed Infinity to try and see what he did, and I feel pretty comfortable that JarJar + S_S is Town.

Either Manuel or Dunnstral is scum though, and given the outrageous about of Town power, I'm inclined to lynch Manuel.

VOTE: Manuel

Why are jarjar and ss town-aligned from infinity's posts?

[iraonavp]

Like sorry for the wifom, but you just flat out saved me

I am 99% certain he didnt save you.
But i am also 90% certain you didnt get blocked from killing.

So because thats cleared now lets lynch scum
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

See, he's confirmed as town-aligned now.

[iraonavp]

Okay, I support it.

VOTE: JarJarDrinks

[iraonavp]

Oh also, VCA like the kind you're doing is terrible and easily manipulated.

Exactly...

Mouthblade didn't even give reasons for nadr other than sheeping Gamma Emerald and VCA made up on the spot.

VOTE: Mouthblade

[iraonavp]

Okay, my reads are: Manuel, ss, Dunnstral, Dongempire, Drinks, nadr, Mouthblade

[iraonavp]

Okay, my reads are: Manuel, ss, Dunnstral, Dongempire, Drinks, nadr, Mouthblade

are these scumreads?

Yes.

[iraonavp]

It' not physically possible for EVERY post of mine to be scummy. You are exaggerating. Manuel, answer this seriously, are you scum?

So you are admitting only 60% of your posts are?

[iraonavp]

I'd be willing to hear your side, but you need to come up with a theory about why there was no kill n1.

Huh? What does there being no kill have anything to do with my alignment? Are you just talking about stuff randomly?

Very suspicious.

[iraonavp]

Just got done reading JarJar's ISO and I just don't buy JarJar being scum with infinity. They have a consistent record of pushing each other and when infinity was being pressured he tried to barter for JarJar and Nadr's deaths but mainly that he'd shoot Jordan.

Since infinity was scum this most likely means he wanted us to lynch JarJar for some reason and then he would have shot someone else and he would have been outed as obv scum.

That claim had to be a delay tactic and to lure out PR claims it was just terribad. So in short I feel the feels but "feels" isn't enough to override someone who tried to give infinity that extra day namely in (Manuel, Jordan, Dunn)

There has got to be scum that tried to keep Infinity alive and that is what I want to find.

Who is it then? All you did is defend the ones who are most scum-aligned using words...

[iraonavp]

It looks like you're trying here, but this is once again, extraordinarily shallow.

Poppycock! That's some good scumhunting there bro.

You're implying here that scum would be careless enough to directly contradict themselves and town wouldn't, first of all, which doesn't seem true to me.

Whether or not it seems true to you has no bearing on whether or not it is true.

Again, this is behavior that will come from scum or bad-town. If you just write everything off as "well town can act scummy" (and YES contradictions ARE scummy) then you're not gonna be hanging much scum.

I'll let smart explain his side of it, but I don't think it's a contradiction at all tbh.

So basically you're saying that it isn't a contradiction but even it was, it wouldn't be scummy?

Looking through JarJar's ISO not really seeing why the JarJar/Infinity fight happens D1

What is this?

[iraonavp]

VOTE: JarJarDrinks

[iraonavp]

I'd be willing to hear your side, but you need to come up with a theory about why there was no kill n1.

Huh? What does there being no kill have anything to do with my alignment? Are you just talking about stuff randomly?

Very suspicious.

why?

Since you were saying he was town-aligned at the time, the last sentence is the exact way to interact with your partner.

[iraonavp]

VOTE: JarJarDrinks

It is what it is. Nothing more nothing less. The fact you consistently want to tunnel without logic or reason and are wrong makes things much worse. If you don't actually start reading and listening to what others around you are saying and interacting with them you are just creating spam for the thread.

Infinity and JarJar fought day one. Explain to me how that happens with JarJar scum. Or are you content to just spam and not scum hunt?

Okay, you're scum-aligned then.

[iraonavp]

It's not fighting, nobody gets injured!

[iraonavp]

Okay, this is also a good lynch.

VOTE: nadr

[iraonavp]

lol Iroanavp is stuck in a tunnel. I don't agree with Iroanavp so I must be scum.

All worship the great Iroanavp.

/sarcasm on last two sentences

Yes, it's true...

[iraonavp]

Oh also, VCA like the kind you're doing is terrible and easily manipulated.

...

[iraonavp]

nadr, you have been hammered. What was your role?

[iraonavp]

Yeah, I just addressed that.

That's why I rephrased it in a non-VCA way.

Still, it doesn't make sense.

Hopefully he's scum-aligned though...