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[TwoFace]

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oh come on! use the [post] tags will ya! now I gotta track all over the thread

Too hard to do on my phone. Sorry

[TwoFace]

Pretty sure there's more to it then that. I've always had to copy the link and Use URL brackets

[1073]

Doesn't work

[TwoFace]

Learn something new every day

[TwoFace]

Yeah Nero it sucks you're sick but you aren't playing

[TwoFace]

I lynch the one who has the most votes. No need to worry!

Wait I don't think that's in your rules. So plurality is in effect?

[TwoFace]

I'm with Uzi on that. Ending D1 no lynch is just not nice.

I've actually seen NL work in towns favor. It's rare but happens

[TwoFace]

I lynch the one who has the most votes. No need to worry!

Wait I don't think that's in your rules. So plurality is in effect?

Sorry for not stating it. I thought it was normal here.

No it's not. I wish more people did it.

[TwoFace]

Is plurality considered normal game in terms of game meta//Setup?

It's mod discretion but typically it's supposed to be communicated in the rules.

P.edit - actually it is

[TwoFace]

@TF - You think no lynch benefits town here? Why?

Well it's a non issue now but if we did NL, today it wouldn't hurt town as much as if we mislynch

[TwoFace]

Not necessarily. In this setup though if we mislynch and I'm somehow wrong about wobbuffet town is in worse shape.

[TwoFace]

I fee like the original remaining players should replace out also

[TwoFace]

I really don't like roads vote.. I feel this push is kinda build on a foundation of sand

You don't say...

[TwoFace]

Like how do you read mort's post asking HS to explain his weird 180 on kamelot and still vote kamelot?

[TwoFace]

HS said he's lynch him and now he's writing off this interaction as t v t. Those 2 things don't make sense.

Let's ignore that kamelot is voting mort who you were just voting recently.

You're vote doesn't look green, especially voting for the sake of voting which is never green thinking.

[TwoFace]

Road was who again?

[TwoFace]

Ok fine

[TwoFace]

I was waiting to see it these replacements say or do anything to point out something I missed. I had planned on voting HS once people are caught up.

[TwoFace]

He'd

[TwoFace]

Was correcting my post. Never mind

[TwoFace]

Scum

[TwoFace]

Already explained

[TwoFace]

I was waiting to see it these replacements say or do anything to point out something I missed. I had planned on voting HS once people are caught up.

[TwoFace]

A wagon with nobody else on it. I'm not sure why he cares since we have an extension and I'm still hoping these replacements see how obv scum he is.

[TwoFace]

sigh...

It's in my iso. I even did a recap before I was almost policy lynched. It was on the person he replaced. Since he came in he hasn't done much to figure things out, he's lied multiple times, and he's not really responding to mort's request for a list of reads.

[TwoFace]

I have an aversion to enabling laziness

[TwoFace]

I'm also on a mobile 90% of the time and it's a lot of work to go back and find my posts and quote them all.

[TwoFace]

Mindanao checked out today. Had a root canal and just been chilling. I'll catch up tomorrow

[TwoFace]

Well let's solve that issue. Idk what happened to the HS wagon but it needs to happen.

VOTE: Hs

I'll catch-up today

[TwoFace]

You should also read the game instead of listening to others and letting them bias you.

The fact that you're so convinced on me as scum that you're not even bothering to read the thread before determining that I still deserve the lynch should be all the proof we need to ignore you entirely.
Infallibility isn't possible with humans.

Still townreading TF to heck though.

The last couple pages aren't going to magically make you green

[TwoFace]

>my reads are based on a player's interactions at the start of the game and nothing else
lol ok

Nice misrep

[TwoFace]

because i didn't see it obviously.

[TwoFace]

you aren't reading are you?

yesterday I posted

I'll catch up tomorrow

This morning I posted

I'll catch-up today

So since you obviously need some hand holding here.

I missed it because I didn't fucking see it.

I will respond to it once I get to in in my catch up. Thanks

[TwoFace]

i'd be ok with an arc lynch

[TwoFace]

I could buy that I guess. Can you link me to the case on him (Wodd)?

here was my post that I did that explains my scum reads at the time - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8489932

Buffet - somehow interpreted my anger at him refusing to read the game as a refusal to explain my reads which is a lie/misrep on his part
Buffet - claimed my reasons were vague on why I scum read his slot - that imo is a lie/misrep as well
Buffet - claimed I was trying to get Mort lynched - no idea where this one even came from. I never voted mort and never called him scum.

He has also not attempted to do any sort of game solving/scum hunting (if he started doing some after this post I am quoting, that obviously doesn't count as I have not gotten there yet)

[TwoFace]

Thoughts?

pass

[TwoFace]

Why is this wagon still on?

cause it's a good wagon

You don't want the player pool to be an even number.

huh?

@Mort
I didn't reread closely enough, all I have to say.

VOTE: Kamelot

so you agree with kamelot's points about mort yet vote kamelot? that's odd.

thanks for reassuring that an HS/Drone connection is still possible

[TwoFace]

technically uzi's vote doesn't count but looks like mod accepted it.

@Uzi - why is RK's unwilling to re-read scummy yet I don't remember you saying anything about Wobbuffet who not only refused to re-read but turned it around on me saying I refused to explain myself because I wouldn't enable his laziness?

what about Nero's lack of attempt at catching up?

I don't see how you can hop on and put somebody at L-1 for something that others are doing.

[TwoFace]

VOTE COUNT 1.31

[L-1] Road Kamelot - ChaosOmega, Mortfeld, Naomi-Tan, Human Sequencer, Drone, Lil Uzi Vert

this is a horrible wagon just because of the player list on it.

[TwoFace]

I haven't seen anything scummy from him personally.

have you seen anything towny? have you seen anything that resembles game solving?

[TwoFace]

what about Nero's lack of attempt at catching up?

I seem pretty active don'tcha think? Do you have any specific questions for me?

Meh

Not yet. Didn't finish catching up and the part I got to lacked Nero posts.

[TwoFace]

My case is legitimate.

I don't recall you making a case. Not sure how you can claim it's legitimate if it doesn't exsist

[TwoFace]

and on the other had Twoface continues to bleed as scum, He hopping into every possible wagon he can safely land on without giving any leads.

That couldn't be farther from the truth. I've stated my 4 scum reads previously and I've pretty much stayed on my top read until I switched to my 2nd top read. There's no wagon hopping at all

[TwoFace]

And for the record, You're not active. You're just trolling as you always use to do.

Well you really aren't in a position to say who isand isn't active when you're slot is kind of lacking in that department

[TwoFace]

VOTE COUNT 1.31

[L-1] Road Kamelot - ChaosOmega, Mortfeld, Naomi-Tan, Human Sequencer, Drone, Lil Uzi Vert

this is a horrible wagon just because of the player list on it.

then whats the good wagon you think, apart from mine

The one I'm on. Or a wobbuffet wagon is better but people ignore him for some reason

[TwoFace]

and on the other had Twoface continues to bleed as scum, He hopping into every possible wagon he can safely land on without giving any leads.

That couldn't be farther from the truth. I've stated my 4 scum reads previously and I've pretty much stayed on my top read until I switched to my 2nd top read. There's no wagon hopping at all

I've only voted twice all game excluding my rvs so please I'd love to see how you explain this obvious lie

[TwoFace]

How about you read my post where i voted HS?

That's not a case though

[TwoFace]

You realize that i replaced into the game after it got into 40 pages plus. How about your step into my timezone and see how it works for you including a 10 hours shift job every day and a travel over the weekend?

[TwoFace]

Again, what is your lead to support my wagon? I would love to hear your case. Now you're starting to react because I am calling you scum. why so defensive?

You're slot did shit
You've done shit

I don't care who calls me scum, certainly not a lurk fuck like you

I defend myself when people lie about me. I do this as either alignment. Wish more players would do that. I also wish people stop throwing around the defensive accusation like it actually means something. It's been disproven a bazillion times.

[TwoFace]

I don't care if you scum read me. If you think me posting images makes me scummy I can just ignore you cause that's stupid.
There's no motivation for posting that pic, but there isn't any scum motivation either. There is humor motivation. That image made me laugh and fit perfectly

There's no town motivation for you making excuses for your activity. I'm personally annoyed at Nero also but at least he had a good excuse. You're excuse is shit.

[TwoFace]

How about we try this in a nicer way, I would like a reasonable explanation for your scum read on me instead of throwing abuses around to overpower this conversation?

I was sort of town reading your slot earlier on. He stopped contributing and replaced out when he was under pressure. It sort of looked weird to me. You replaced in and have done nothing useful so far. I know you are a more capable player so I wouldn't object to you're lynch.

Funny you accuse me of being defensive but I haven't even voted you and you're getting defensive. You aren't my preferred lynch but I'm ok with you're lynch cause your slot hasn't been productive and doesn't look town.

If you're town, you've got time to try and change my opinion.

[TwoFace]

Interjecting to say that posts like that are just TF. Thought he was toning it down after he almost got PLd but I guess not.

Sorry I'm working on it.

[TwoFace]

Arc. Saying I'm ok with your lynch =/= calling you scum.

[TwoFace]

List mod was right. You guys are too sensitive. You would hate playing on the sites I played. Snark is fun in the right environment. This game obviously isn't

[TwoFace]

Thanks for the advice on how to play that I didn't ask for. At this point if my preferred wagons fall through I'm still ok with your lynch

[TwoFace]

You tell me. Do we support a wagon if we think they are town?

Idk what you do. I don't support wagons I think are town.

[TwoFace]

How about your focus on scum hunting than clinging on to your neverending support to my wagon?

I'm not clinging to anything. We were having a conversation. I'll gladly end it if you don't want to conversation anymore. Conversations are useful.

Bye Felicia.

[TwoFace]

And you think people who are not productive are scum? and the others are town?

My read on you is null. You aren't helping me read you better because of you're lack of content. If a null read gets lynched, I'm ok with that though it's not my preferred. But I'm voting my preferred.

Can we go back to how I was supposedly hopping on wagons when I've only voted 2 people. That's a blatant misrep.

[TwoFace]

@Mort
Arc's wagon is simply stupid.
Like, ridiculous stupid.
Like, jumping under the train stupid.

Let's see.
VOTE: TwoFace

So do you think everyone voting arc is town?

[TwoFace]

783
Should have caused you to unvote.

Who was this directed at and why would that cause somebody to unvote?

[TwoFace]

846
1273

This should work

[TwoFace]

I will admit my TF green lens is weakening, but I need more time to formulate that.
Especially if arc is green.
If arc is green I'll be confused but I'll probably be on Twoface's tail.

What does arc being green have to do with my alignment?

[TwoFace]

Soft claiming a pr should at LEAST get votes off,

Interesting

[TwoFace]

VOTE: drone

[TwoFace]

There's no way drone has missed my soft claim.

[TwoFace]

P sure he did bro

It's very unlikely he missed it given what you did earlier plus me saying I'm shooting buffet. Right after that he asked me some weird question about even number which implies he had to see it.

Plus add in that he just spoke out about how bad the wagon on arc is, town thinking would be to examine the votes on it to look for scum but he doesn't. He's not thinking or acting like town.

[TwoFace]

No way would scumDrone so clearly say that if he knew you'd softclaimed
As to whether him missing it is scum indicative because scum don't need to read the thread is another question entirely, don't buy it myself though

TBH I don't think you can intelligently say what scum drone would or wouldn't do.

[TwoFace]

This day does need to end.

[TwoFace]

Looking at his iso he doesn't ever comment on it at all. His even number question makes more sense if he didn't see it.

People really need to work on their reading

VOTE: HS

[TwoFace]

you do realize I was already voting you before I went to drone right?

me moving my vote back to you has nothing to do with you defending drone and everything to do with the fact that i still think you are scum

[TwoFace]

why do you think you defending drone has anything to do with anything?

scum motivation for defending drone if he is town - buddying/white knighing
scum motivation for defending drone if he is scum - want to protect your scum buddy.

like why do you ask a silly question? (I self edited myself here, ya'll would be really proud of me)

you defending drone the last page has absolutely no effect on my existing scum read on you.

[TwoFace]

Why would scumHuman buddy townDrone, especially considering post 358 and his subsequent reasoning of it?

It goes against scumHuman's motivations because scumHuman wants to lynch townies, and that was an angle they could use to target another townie.

If I'm scum, why are you even listening to anything I have to say? Doesn't the fact that I helped you in your reasoning to not lynch town give me at least some town points?
I'm just trying to convince you that MAYBE you're not 100% infallible like you seem to think you are. You could be wrong, I could be wrong. Opinions can change in light of recent events, and your reads should fluctuate accordingly. Look at how my reads have organically moved throughout the game. You've stayed gunned on me whole fucking game for little justification, but whatever I suppose I'm dying tonight because of it anyway so I shouldn't even bother finishing this post that was trying to win you over.

Just because somebody disagrees with you, and just because you got into an argument with somebody over fickle semantics doesn't regard them as scum. There's more to it than that.
idk. Whatever.

PEDIT: Yeah that
Don't like the 'I'll just replace out :^)' threat though, but I completely understand

you know what, I don't even know anymore. If you're town you have done a lot of things that don't make sense to me. I realize that I could absolutely wrong about you, That's part of the game. But we are at a point where deadline is approaching soon and somebody has to be lynched. My original list of reads from way back were Wobbufft/you/drone/Misa - I later added naomi into the list and have just recently said that I would be ok with arc although that's not my preferred.

I am not going to compromise myself when i don't have to. You are my 2nd most scum read and my 1st is not likely to be lynched so that's where I am voting.

[TwoFace]

Wrong. I want conversation that doesn't include abuses and insults

and I want a conversation that doesn't include lies/misreps yet that's what you did.

sorry if I used too colorful language with you, I keep forgetting I am not in kansas anymore.

[TwoFace]

I never you said you're voting, i was referring to your options to hop on to various wagons seems scummy.

yeah that still isn't true.

[TwoFace]

Drone also defending me, I am bit confused here. you think HS is scum is because he is buddying up with Drone or Drone scum because he is defending people out of his way. He was defending me too. I see your point that scum would love to defend town to gain brownie points but you need to be lot clearer than this.

As I said in the post you just quoted, I don't think HS defending drone has anything to do with my already existing scum read on him.

[TwoFace]

I never you said you're voting, i was referring to your options to hop on to various wagons seems scummy.

yeah that still isn't true.

You're being stubborn. That's all i can say.

yes I can be stubborn but that doesn't change what you said.

can you please point out which various wagons you are referring to? Help me understand your pov cause from my perspective it looks like a lie

[TwoFace]

It's worth noting that if we get one one kill tonight, TF is then very very suspicious, and only a few fringe doctor cases or other niche stuff like that could save him from definitely being scum.

this is a bad post

[TwoFace]

This is what I posted way back. Granted it isn't the best case but my read on him was more based off gut. My points about copper were much better and everyone ignored them which is why I don't like doing cases. Nobody reads them and those who do just write them off or ignore them.

and since I am doing it, My scum read on HS is kind of harder to explain. What pinged me first was the weird drone comment. Drone hadn't even posted and he was asking drone if he agreed with him or something like that. Later HS claims he saw the mod post that drone had confirmed but somehow missed that he was on V/LA which I think is unlikely especially when HS said he wasn't skimming. Even if he were skimming, I doubt he would miss that but when HS said he wasn't skimming I just don't see how he misses it. The fact that he avoided my question about copper lying about TB and now actually sides with Copper about TB when the facts prove them both wrong, just points to scum to me.

The fact that I had to be forced to make a case, something I am fundamentally against doing has kind of turned me off of the game. The fact that people tried to force replace me for some unknown reason and needed list mod intervention has also turned me off on the game.

If you note things went down hill when wobuffet replaced in and decided not to read the game and instead falsely accuse me of refusing to explain myself. so yeah i'm shooting him tonight and ya'll can lynch me tomorrow.

[TwoFace]

I am not liking the TF vig claim. Is this real? TF - Why did you claim on day 1. Any specific reason?

I actually never claimed vig. I did ask to be left alive until day 2 and HS took that as a vig claim and even asked me if i was a vig to which I called him out for role fising. If he was town, there was no need to out my soft claim.

do you want to know what he did after that? he voted me. yet another reason why I think he is scum. I soft claimed vig and he proceeded to put me to L-2

i don't see town motivation in those actions. he also joined my PL wagon despite town reading me. yet another reason i can't see how he is town.


right or wrong here, HS play resembles scum much more than it resembles town from my pov. ya'll can disagree with me if you want but don't think anyone can change my mind.

[TwoFace]

How is it untrue? Maf kills one, where is your kill? I'm just trying to help town tomorrow in the case that I am a dead man tonight.

what if I choose not to actually kill anyone (smart play)
what if I am role blocked/jail kept? (possible)
what if the person I target is bulletproof, hider, or even doc saved?

so many possibilities.

[TwoFace]

but i still dont buy his logic on calling Drone scum only if HS is scum, the argument doesn't stand well.

that's not why I am pushing Drone. But if HS flips scum, you have to admit that makes that earlier interaction weird and more likely to mean they are partnered.

[TwoFace]

I never you said you're voting, i was referring to your options to hop on to various wagons seems scummy.

yeah that still isn't true.

You're being stubborn. That's all i can say.

yes I can be stubborn but that doesn't change what you said.

can you please point out which various wagons you are referring to? Help me understand your pov cause from my perspective it looks like a lie

since you asked. Here you go.

Spoiler:

Oh yeah that's bad. The over explanation about scum being can be lynch baity makes it bad. Scum can't be lynch bait

This needs a flip. Should I vote?

Heads

VOTE: copper

Well let's solve that issue. Idk what happened to the HS wagon but it needs to happen.

VOTE: Hs

I'll catch-up today

i'd be ok with an arc lynch

This proves I am NOT willing to hop on various wagons. copper/HS are my top 2 scum reads and have been forever and me saying that i am ok with your lynch doesn't prove anything. The fact that I had no interest in joining a kamelot wagon actually disproves your theory.

[TwoFace]

I am now seeing better of you but your case on HS is wrong. Let me know help you understand my point of view on this.

Soft claim is also anti-town, It's not like you're on L-1 to ask people to leave you alone until day 2, I would understand if you had soft claimed at the verge of getting lynched but your wagon was never at edge, so why are you being impulsive about it?

I see HS reaction is legitimate for your claim. I would have reacted in the same way or the other. If you're not VIG then why were you indicating that you would shoot HS on night 1

Scum wouldn't let you get lynched on day 1 because they knew that you would likely hit town than scum given the ratio.

Now I see you and HS fights may be town vs town. And both of you letting the scum team get a free pass on the day 1

1. my case isn't wrong
2. soft claim isn't anti-town when there is momentum towards you getting lynched and there was plenty of momentum since I got to L-2. You don't claim vig at L-1 cause scum will quick hammer that shit, shit so will dumb ass townies who don't believe you. Vig is a dumb fake claim anyway
3. HS's reaction was terrible if he is town, which is why i don't think he is town.

[TwoFace]

Let me put this in another way, if Drone flips scum, I don't think HS is scum. Isn't that a possibility?

probably not but drone doesn't seem to be getting lynched today. HS is more likely to be lynched, so I don't really see the point in asking this

[TwoFace]

If you're claiming to get the heat off you, you claim 'I'm vig, stop voting me'.

see? who the F says this and is town.

that is absolutely NOT how you handle that situation.

[TwoFace]

a PR only claims when they absolutely have to aka when they are at L-1 and somebody is declaring to hammer. Some people will claim as soon as they get to L-1

no smart player comes out and full claims their role when they are at L-3.

[TwoFace]

I think road is probably town by the number of bad people on his wagon
Chaos is the one player I have toyed with shooting if I were going to shoot based off policy. He has been useless all game. Him complaining about a comment i made to another player was very petty and his hop on me not town motivated in anyway.
IDK who Todd is
Shadow - he seems more interested in distracting town with theory discussions aka hypocopping instead of actually scum hunting.

[TwoFace]

If HS flips town, what do you think about the game ?
And if your claim is your true, who do you want to shoot tonight?

if HS flips town, I think I may vig shoot myself

no seriously I will hate this game even more and I already hate it a lot

who I want to shoot tonight is wobbuffet.

who i actually will shoot is completely different, if I even shoot at all.

If we mislynch common sense says don't shoot. I may act like an idiot sometimes but I am actually not an idiot.

[TwoFace]

That's exactly what you fucking did. How else are you supposed to interpret that post.

I never claimed vig. You did that for me.

All I did was ask to be left alive until day 2 which is why any town PR would want when they are getting run up.

[TwoFace]

Are you indicating that you're not a smart player, Why asking people to spare you on day 1? You could have choose to come with a stronger defense other than a soft claim. Isn't it?

how so you defend yourself from "Let's policy lynch twoface"?

613Policy lynch
616Policy lynch
621Policy lynch
624I don't like wagoning green players but... aka Policy lynch
ME: Hey guys, leave me alive until day 2
HS - OH SHIT HE's claiming vig. TF are you claiming vig?
672Policy lynch

[TwoFace]

why not push his wagon

I have already tried a bunch of times to get people to vote him. I even pointed the lies he made since replacing in.

no traction what so ever, like car with 4 bald tires trying to drive up a mountain during an ice storm

[TwoFace]

yeah scum want me gone today so good idea to lynch me before I can take one of them out

I forgot all about that post

ok so I soft claimed vig, there was still no motivation for you as town to draw attention to it like you did

[TwoFace]

I haven't been focusing on TF. I still townread him.

you said earlier you have been trying to convince me to change my vote. It's not a good use of time if you are town.

[TwoFace]

I have infinite time.

1525 says otherwise

4 days left and you are the leading vote getter. If you were town you should be more concerned with trying to find and lynch scum.

why are people town reading this guy? seriously

[TwoFace]

Try harder is what i could recommend. I am here to listen, if you have legitimate case and convince others, I am sure you can drag it to right direction

I have posted a link to my case on copper already. The case that I quoted on HS was from that post actually and HS has linked to that case on copper.

since then wobbuffet replaced in and essentially chose to not read the game. He asked me for my reasons on his slot and I told him he should read the game and he would find them.


he twisted that into me somehow refusing to explain my scum read (which can't possibly be true if I had already done it)
he claimed my reasons were vague - (which can't possibly be true if multiple conversations and arguments took place about those reasons)
He then claimed that I was trying to lynch mort (which absolutely isn't true because I never voted him once, and never even said I would consider voting him)

he has also done absolutely nothing useful. I do not see him attempting to scum hunt.

[TwoFace]

chaos is nothing. I can't remember anything of value from him.

his petty complaint to the mod and his policy lynch vote on me is the only thing I remember from him

[TwoFace]

chaos is nothing. I can't remember anything of value from him.

his petty complaint to the mod and his policy lynch vote on me is the only thing I remember from him

You don't find his play suspicious than cooper slot?

His play is suspicious for sure. I hate lurkers. But there's not much to point to. I felt I had actual reasons for copper

[TwoFace]

Reason I'm pretty sure TF is town is that I agree with him on like, almost everything.

I read shadow town because there's no way scum would replace in and suggest his hypoplay idea.

Really really really good point on Drone.
I know this looks scummy but I'm jumping straight on this.
VOTE: Drone

Dude.

That

convinced you to go from null to top scumread? How?

Again if HS isn't scum I'll be scratching my head for days trying to figure him out.

Speaking of confusing people. Where did Naomi go?

[TwoFace]

Oh she's v/la. My bad

[TwoFace]

I'm sleeping.
If I'm not lynched by the time I get back home from work later I'll be surprised.
I expect either my slot to be mostly redeemed by what others say about me, or dead.
Night.

lynches don't typically happen that fast...

[TwoFace]

Why is Arc town?

[TwoFace]

to me it looks like the town Arc I've played with before.

Meta doesn't work for me. Show me some town motivated posts. Her interactions with me were meh. Misrep me and calling me defensive when she was also defensive doesn't look good to me.

[TwoFace]

Mort. Thoughts on the 180 by chaos and the vote by uzi.

[TwoFace]

Yeah Toto originally arc was fighting with me with some obvious misreps. All because I said I would be ok with her lynch somehow that got turned into me willing to hop on a bunch of wagons. She tried to prove her point and quoted me voting both of my long time scum reads and the post where I said I'd be ok with her lynch. She even accused me of being defensive which is fine by me cause that's my personality but she did it in a way to suggest it was scummy but her reaction to me was all defensive. You can't accuse somebody else of something in a scummy manner WHILE doing the very thing yourself.

Somehow her sr on me disappeared and she did become a mediator. Trying to divert me from HS wagon.

Arc looks bad, but so does HS.

[TwoFace]

That's literally a point I made in my PBPA that you didn't read

welcome to my world. people not reading shit is driving me up the wall this game.

[TwoFace]

[TwoFace]

Why exactly are we lynching a claimed VT?

Damn you just shot up my scum list.

[TwoFace]

Why rk?

[TwoFace]

If HS is town, one of chaos and uzi are probably scum. Discus

[TwoFace]

Naomi - you've done 180s on mort so why is mort town now.

Also why is uzi town?

[TwoFace]

gone over mort before want the reasons go hunting

Let me pull a wobbuffet.

So you're refusing to give reads?
You expect me to find some vague reasons?



I'll look for them later.

[TwoFace]

Why not RK?

Mainly cause I haven't seen good reasons.

[TwoFace]

Uzi's content has been pretty consistant imo and definately looks like game solving which is very much a townie trait.

Actually, I think that scum try way hard to stay consistent while town just scum hunt though the game solving part is a town trait, yes.

Kind of agree

Also the way he popped in and voted HS out of nowhere gave me the heebie jeebies

[TwoFace]

Or is it that you think keeping my vote on HS while having second thoughts is Red! motivated? If this is the case, consider that I had been having second thoughts way earlier than the post I linked, essentially boiled down to - head says Red, gut says Green. This specifically is what I was trying to work out, am I still Red for not unvoting?

Yeah tbh bc you just now said that HS was obvtown posting and unvoted
So either you had the obvtown read earlier or it just showed up
If you had it earlier then letting someone be close to a lynch w a townread on them while on their wagon is bad. And im not going to explain the scum motive there bc i should not have to lol
And if you just decided on the obvtown while it was wavering b4 then it comes back to deciding to solidify your HS townread after talking to your scumread

Its one thing to keep your vote on someone while pressuring them to read them better but thats not the situation youve described
VOTE: Mort

Guess I should have paid more attention. This is a bad vote

[TwoFace]

If HS is town, one of chaos and uzi are probably scum. Discus

It's chaos, highly doubt it's uzi
My reads are a fucking mess this game tbh, took a demotivation break there

I can't defend myself from the likes of Chaos, Mort and Uzi's pushes because they're completely legitimate (for the most part, I'll get around to Chaos before I sleep tonight hopefully) due to me playing like absolute dogshit this game.

Yeah I still think you're scum but if you aren't then idk what the fuck is going on.

[TwoFace]

rb replaces DeathByWobbufet. Welcome him!

There goes the neighborhood

[TwoFace]

holy shit rb
i've read part of like two games you're in and you're already my hero
interest in this game just shot up one million percent
UNVOTE:
VOTE: ChaosOmega

Interesting. Mine has decreased

[TwoFace]

so buffet flakes out of the game but is still active on site... interesting

[TwoFace]

I didn't see that part tbh, nobody wants to lynch that slot for some reason so i'll take matters into my own hands

[TwoFace]

Chaos was one I was thinking of taking out with my shot because he has been so useless all game. I would expect better from him if he were town. That 180 on HS was weird plus the points I made earlier about the pettyness and the hop on my pl wagon looked bad.

how you see chaos as town is baffling tbh, he is too experienced to be playing this poorly

HS I can concede playing poorly since he has less experience, but not chaos

[TwoFace]

nero is another person I expect more from. him being sick gave him some leniency but his contributions still lack for my liking

it's frustrating cause these players really should know better

[TwoFace]

Fine with me. VOTE: chaos

[TwoFace]

What does the blacked out part say?

[TwoFace]

I don't see how that is a hint at reaction testing.

I also don't buy that he was setting a trap. Now if he has a history of doing that in other games, i'll reconsider but setting a trap to catch scum seems like bullshit to me. Besides I highly doubt that is an effective way of catching scum because reaction tests almost never seem to work out as planned in my experience.

[TwoFace]

looking back, arc changed her read on me after I explained myself about claiming vig, which means she probably thinks my claim is legit and went into self preservation mode so i don't shoot her.

the fact that she falsely accused me of wanting to hop on wagons and couldn't back that up with evidence is a huge red flag against her.

[TwoFace]

When I suggested he was setting a trap, I suggested he was doing this as scum. I just don't see why town!Chaos would suspect HS of being scum but need more info. Like, the info is already there. I was suggesting that scum!Chaos might feel the need to come up with original information so his vote isn't looked at once HS flips green, and with that motivation he'd set up a trap.

yes I agree. If there are posts that you can point to justify your scum read, an elaborte plan to trap scum isn't necessary.

[TwoFace]

Hence, I was trying to help HS and TF to see each other in a different perspective as TF was stuck in believing that HS reaction over his soft claim is not legitimate. HS reaction over TF claim is reasonable, i would have reacted in the same way or the other.

You would have voted to lynch TF after he soft claimed?

remember she said she didn't believe my soft claim

[TwoFace]

yeah HS was town reading me and voted me anyway

[TwoFace]

Thinking about Arc + HS. It would be too obvious for Arc to defend HS so hard if they were partners. If one goes down the other soon follows. So I don't think HS + Arc is a thing anymore.

not all scum bus though. some people think it's bad play which would mean the other options are a. ignore completely or b. defend.

I doubt anyone has gotten lynched solely on the basis of "you defended him and he flipped scum" cause people can be wrong.

that being said, I agree that i don't think arc and hs are scum together.

[TwoFace]

UNVOTE:

Yeah I don't like Chaos' lynch pool.

what don't you like about it?

his lynch pool

Road
Wobbuffet
ArcAngel
Drone

Road - you already voted once today, you unvoted to prevent a hammer and as far as I can tell you still sr him
Arc - you seem to be questioning and you sr her
Drone you said you weren't sure of
buffet - no idea what your read on this slot.

Seems like you should at least agree with 1/2 if not 3/4 of chaos's list by my recollection.

[TwoFace]

vig doesn't make town strong from what I remember when going through the review process.

though if chaos is telling the truth, I absolutely hate how he played it. having a PR doesn't excuse you from playing the game properly.

[TwoFace]

chaos, why didn't you defend yourself or at least attempt to?

[TwoFace]

can you let him answer.

[TwoFace]

Guys, if you don't lynch me today, you also get rid of ArcAngel. Sounds like a great deal to me!

@mort, maybe arc is talking about this?

idk what this actually means

this game is giving me a headache

[TwoFace]

Chaos, if you are truly a cop this was a shitty play. Even if you were not going to be so active you could at least have waited for L-1. You were at L-3.

well to be fair he was at L-2 before I unvoted and since there was no vc it's hard to know exactly where he was at.

not really excusing his behaviour but I can kind of understand it.

I don't buy the cop claim either but I am not a big fan of lynching claimed PRs on day 1 although I have seen town do it and lynched right. if he's legit i'd rather we not do the work for mafia

[TwoFace]

As much as I want him lynched I'm not rolling the dice day 1.

[TwoFace]

Day 1, I'm going to. Any other day that's a different story.

You can be super confident he's lying and still be wrong. It's not worth it

[TwoFace]

Boy oh boy. This game long. Who is scum?

You sorry you replaced into a scum slot

[TwoFace]

As much as I want him lynched I'm not rolling the dice day 1.

You're buying the street garbage that scum is selling it you. When you go home, you wont stars in it. you will see how end up losing your bet on that.

I guess I am. #SorryNotSorry

[TwoFace]

Having just finished a game where I was 10000% sure somebody was scum that I would have done the same and threatened to quit only to find out that not only was the shitty player was not scum, he basically had the entire scum team nailed.

So yeah shit happens. He's probably scum but day 1 isn't the day to take that risk. I'm a shitty gambler

[TwoFace]

VOTE: rb

[TwoFace]

It's him or you so...

[TwoFace]

It's him or you so...

So you agree that you going to derp rest of the game. Well done.

Sounds like you need this - https://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends- ... 0671027034

[TwoFace]

Tf - super obvious town

[TwoFace]

It's him or you so...

So you agree that you going to derp rest of the game. Well done.

Sounds like you need this - https://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends- ... 0671027034

yuck

Get a sense of humor

[TwoFace]

Hands down you're more likely to get lynched today over me. You've replaced into a scum slot like I said already

[TwoFace]

TF doesn't put out much content

[TwoFace]

Not even talking about post count. I've explained all my reads, explained everything I've been thinking. I'm like an open book.

I'm glad you replaced in actually. It's going to make what I'm going to do to you tonight so much more enjoyable

[TwoFace]

It's going to make what I'm going to do to you tonight so much more enjoyable

Sorry I could not resist.

[TwoFace]

Im not taking about other games.

[TwoFace]

You're previous slots weren't low hanging fruit. They were legitimately scummy. Nice try though

[TwoFace]

@rb:

His 620

Actually 647

[TwoFace]

Let's just lynch RB and if he's scum like I know he is, I can decide to shoot or not.
If he flips town I don't shoot. (Doubt that'll happen though)

Either way town is in a good position.

[TwoFace]

I'm having trouble actually believing that people are bad enough to make day1 claims of strong power roles like that though, sadly :/

Coming from the guy who just claimed without any pressure at all.

[TwoFace]

TF doesn't put out much content. Lots of people have felt 'off' about the slot, constantly voting and unvoting it - that's a scumtell imo because it's indicative both of partners distancing and/or multiple people just disliking the

Like no way town makes this kind of post. He doesn't even know why people voted me

[TwoFace]

Huh? If you're certain rb is scum wouldn't you just shoot rb tonight and lynch someone else today?

It's always better to lynch known scum.

[TwoFace]

I am thinking that I may have been right about HS/buffet/drone. RB casting shade on drone and trying to link him to me was shit. We already know about the hs/drone possible connection.

One of those 3 should be our lynch today.

[TwoFace]

No I'm not. Don't call me that again

[TwoFace]

Pedit: HS/buffet/drone doesn't include Chaos.

Yes and I realize that.

[TwoFace]

I get you have to play tough to save your ass but you're actually scum. Don't cast another insult at me again. Final request

[TwoFace]

No. I made a case on copper and it was a great case. He got replaced and his replacement intentionally lied about me not once, not twice, but 3 times.

You replacing in doesn't wipe the slate clean. So there is no conf bias. There is a legit scum read based on legitimately scummy behavior.

Try to discredit it all you want. You replaced into a scum slot, do what you got to do but follow the fucking rules. When somebody asks you to not insult them, be respectful and listen.

[TwoFace]

Lynch Chaos today.

We aren't lynching chaos today

[TwoFace]

TF it is annoying for you to say we're not lynching Chaos and to have your replacement be rb.

Well we aren't lynching a cop claim day 1, so who do you suggest we lynch?

[TwoFace]

Did someone say that Wobbu was active elsewhere on the site before getting replaced? Isn't this against site rules?

Chaos and I both pointed this out and while some people think it is, I had a game recently confirm it's not. It should be though.

[TwoFace]

RB slot is way worse than anything arc has done.

[TwoFace]

Is semantic. You had one thing in mind not conveyed clearly by your words, he read your words.

You're joking right?

[TwoFace]

"I'm not confbiasing guys, i'm playing good!"

This literally has nothing to do with you. I confirmed copper was scum before he replaced out. You can't confbias confirmed scum.

That being said, I've seen nothing of value from you. That one post of yours I quoted in no way came from a person who is criticzing others people intelligence or ability to play. So that means you're just as bad as you say I am or you're scum yourself.

[TwoFace]

"I'm not confbiasing guys, i'm playing good!"

This literally has nothing to do with you. I confirmed copper was scum before he replaced out. You can't confbias confirmed scum.

What the fluck are you talking about, you have an argument for scum!Copper that almost nobody agrees with.

You can lead a horse to water...

Y'all do whatever you want. I give up.

[TwoFace]

Is there a way to ISO two people on the same page?

Yes. Down below chose 2 names

[TwoFace]

I don't think chaos is fake claiming.

There was no need for him to claim if he is honestly a cop. He fake claimed to avoid being questioned since we were pushing him

Cmon. If he's telling the truth about his role and being away this weekend there is absolutely motivation to claim. Especially since he got to l-2.

Still not sold on him but you shouldn't be that narrow minded

[TwoFace]

We should lynch out of my original pool. RB/HS/drone. RB is preferred but at this late stage whoever of these 3. Still don't object to an arc lynch because of this push to still lynch chaos.

Going to be less inactive today to save battery life on my phone but I'll still be checking the thread.

[TwoFace]

RB is town
Sorry TF

[TwoFace]

@TF please please please vig drone instead, rest of town comment on this please, we might be able to convince him together

Sorry. He's s scum read and his winning personality doesn't make me want to change my mind. I'll take the blame if I'm wrong but I don't see anything town motivated from this slot. If you want to accept town will intentionally misrep and lie that's fine. I don't accept that. I refuse to accept town does this. If that makes me the shitty player. 1. Lo fucking L 2. So be it.

I'll gladly put that in my sig. im a shitty player cause I think lying is a scumtell.

[TwoFace]

I am at L2. Well played Scum

Here is my claim and you all can blame yourself for this. DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY I AM SO SURE THAT CHAOS IS SCUM. AND HIS CLAIM IS FAKE.. I AM TOWN JAIL KEEPER.

THERE IS SO WAY WE HAVE COP, JAILKEEPER AND VIG.

ENJOY NOOB TOWNIES.

So when chaos claimed and said he wouldn't say how many shots he had I headed to the normal archive to see if limited shot cops exsist and I'm pretty sure I saw more than one setup with a very similar make up.

[TwoFace]

I'll gladly put that in my sig. im a shitty player cause I think lying is a scumtell.

Lots of things are scumtells, that's not what we're discussing. Using a vig shot a certain way when town directly opposes it

does

make you a shitty player. Pretty sure there are way better ways of sorting the rb slot.

How? Y'all won't lynch him and if y'all say I'm a bad player for shooting him there's no way to sort him.

[TwoFace]

TWOFACE PLEASE DON'T SHOOT RB HIS SKILLS ARE NEEDED

No his trolling skills won't be missed.

[TwoFace]

I am at L2. Well played Scum

Here is my claim and you all can blame yourself for this. DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY I AM SO SURE THAT CHAOS IS SCUM. AND HIS CLAIM IS FAKE.. I AM TOWN JAIL KEEPER.

THERE IS SO WAY WE HAVE COP, JAILKEEPER AND VIG.

ENJOY NOOB TOWNIES.

1762 - vig/jk/gunsmith (similar to cop)
1825 - vig/jk/cop/doc
1651 - vig/cop/doc

That's just on my phone lol.

If you're town do some damn research before you say things in all caps.

[TwoFace]

We aren't lynching chaos. We aren't lynching arc.

Let's lynch RB

[TwoFace]

@1825
Rolecop isn't a cop. It's heaps weaker.
Mafia had neapolitan to help find PRs.
Vig was 1 shot.

This was a bold faced lie and misrepresentation. Only scum lie and misrep. We should lynch twoface.

I'm kidding
he can't read spoilers lol
nobody tell him what this is

Rolecop is stronger than a cop imo. Seriously stronger
We don't know what mafia has
And?

That's very identical to what's possible here. I can also read the spoilers when I quote.

[TwoFace]

EITHER YOU'RE REALLY PESSIMISTIC OR YOU'RE SCUM WITH CHAOS

How is doing research and proving what you seem to think is not possible incorrect pessimistic? It's called being a good player and checking history to see if it is possible. And shocker it absolutely is possible.

So I'm not pessimistic and I'm certainly not scum. No idea if chaos is but I'm 100% against his lynch on the principle of smart intelligent play.

[TwoFace]

CHAOS IS SCUM. I DON'T WHAT ELSE I CAN DO TO CONVINCE ALL OF YOU.

THERE ARE SO MANY REASONS THAT ADD UP TO CONFIRM HIM AS SCUM. STILL DEBATING ABOUT HIS LYNCH IS HEIGHTS.

I think if you post more in all caps that will totally do the trick.

[TwoFace]

If I were scum there's no way I would kill TF. His top two scumreads are rb and I. That's who he's gonna shoot. I'd just kill him the same night he kills HS.
Unless rb is scum which I doubt.
Copper was great, Wobbs was bad, rb is great.

Copper wasn't great
RB hasnt done anything of value either. Just a shitty job catching up. Like did you not read that post of his i quoted?

He was talking out of his ass making things up. He's done that a couple of times actually

[TwoFace]

I don't think rb's had a shining entrance but I also think your glaring confbias doesn't help convince anyone that he's a good vig shot

That's the great thing though. I don't have to convince anyone. It's my role and I use it how I see fit. Yall fucked up when you thought it would be ok to policy lynch me. Had that not happened maybe things would have been different but no. Y'all wanted to fuck around and stop taking the game seriously and at the same time give scum a free pass and now lynch the claimed cop?

Nah town doesn't want to win this game. Town wants to lose this game so I'm not listening to town anymore.

I get called the VI for trying to lynch my scum reads yet the people who want to PL town aren't?

Yeah FUCK THAT SHIT!

[TwoFace]

I wish I could just replace out and delete this entire game from my history so I don't have to see it in my post history. I can't play with y'all anymore. Y'all don't want to win.

[TwoFace]

never thought I'd have to blacklist someone after my first non-newbie

Yeah black list me for playing the game and not the people who advocate policy lynching and lynching claimed PRs? Gtfoh

[TwoFace]

I prefer a chaos lynch.

Then you are scum or really bad town. You don't lynch claimed cop day 1 when arc's role doesn't disprove the legitimacy of it.

[TwoFace]

No, it isn't impossible to have all those as townreads, but it's pretty impossible to have Arc and Chaos on the same team I think.

Why do you want to lynch a cop? We don't need to do Scum's work for them. If he is town scum will kill him.

The thing is scum will kill town PRs so we don't really need to Lynch them. If they don't die we know they are scum.

I get that this is true in a general theory sense, but this game when we have 3 claims scum can just kill TF and leave us in the same spot tomorrow. Though it's not optimal to kill TF in some cases they might just do it anyway for the WIFOM.

Only way scum kills me is if my reads are right. You don't think they are so I shouldn't be a threat to scum from
Your pov. From your pov I'm helping scum out if I shoot rb

[TwoFace]

I really think chaos v arc is t v t.
I seriously need both of you to NOT target each other.

Do you even know how to play this game. How is chaos is town? what is that he did look town to you?

this game is not only creeping me hell out but the players list. I want to kill myself for even replacing into this game. I never got so tired off with the 50plus game i played on this site.

this player list is officially the worst list i ever played it.

Every body is a different type. Not even one on agreeing with the other.

Pretty sure I've see you freak out before.

[TwoFace]

this is wrong, I really want to do a more detailed analysis but can't until later today.

It really isn't.

If RB is town, I'm not a threat to mafia so they won't waste a bullet on me.

Cop or jk are a much bigger threat to them because they can directly hurt scum.

[TwoFace]

putting up with twoface and his incredible ability to drive others out of the game.

Again. All I've done is try to get my scumreads lynched. Tell me what's wrong with that?

[TwoFace]

TF please don't shoot rb.

Then just lynch me. I can't not shoot my biggest scum read when my role is to do that very thing.

[TwoFace]

For all we know arc could be mafia goon willing to trade herself for the greater good and taking out the cop.

[TwoFace]

WooooWw are there gonna be some fakeclaims in this game i can feeEEeEeEel it

Drone, Toto, Naomi. Take your pick

Naomi is a good lynch. This is not the same Naomi that I played with and was town.

[TwoFace]

@arc
It's not just us. It's the circumstances we've been put in.
We've been through like twenty replacements and 80 pages. All of it putting up with twoface and his incredible ability to drive others out of the game.
Please see it through. I've been surviving this from the start.

Circumstances are created by players. Players like TF, Shadow who continue to act like 4-year-old kids and rb, Naomi, Nero who is just been lurking all through the game created this mega size noob game.

Its not the game, it's the player and my brain is hurting. Its hurting so bad that i want to dump my laptop into something so that i don't have to look at this game ever again.

You've been acting like a 4 year old.

[TwoFace]

You're the one who stayed typing all caps unnecessarily. Nobody else.

[TwoFace]

Is this a mafia game or a preschool?

Philosophers still discuss this quandry to this day...

Definitely not mafia. People don't want to lynch scum.

[TwoFace]

Arc is town and I'm willing to buy the Vig/Cop claims so

vote: Naomi

Nero - If you're not voting Chaos. I am going to find you and kill you for sure. Stop derping. Vote Chaos

Now this is blacklist worthy imo. Smart play says no lynching claimed cop. She ignores that and trying to strong arm it with a threat

P.edit. Jk me is a scum claim.

[TwoFace]

If my shot fails lynch arc post haste.

[TwoFace]

The case on drone is he has been lurking

I don't remember anyone using that as a reason

[TwoFace]

Arc people aren't going to lynch Chaos. I've accepted it and you should too.

Vote for Drone please?

No. Chaos is scum. When i hit scum why i have to gamble?

Chaos is still not defending himself, taking his chances to survive through the day.

This town is being idiot. thats all i can say

So it's ok for arc to act like this but not me?

The double standards.

[TwoFace]

@arc. If you're town it's entirely possible for both your role and a cop to exsist with a vig. To be 100% sure he's lying because of some nonsense game solving is you being the not smart one.

Is he scummy? Yes. Have you ever seen a pr act scummy before? I certainly have.

The fact that you use his weekend v/la against him to say he's not here defending himself is just a cheap shot. He said he's not going to be active and claimed.

Using logic/commonly sense we don't lynch a claimed cop day 1.

Settle down please.