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There's too little information for your tell to be validIn post 64, CloudKicker wrote:
@Culted : i am mentoring on another mafia site, this line could be added to my book of tells about how this is a clear cut really really common pattern from mafia to answer this kind of question, it keeps everything opens and looks like game solving when its not, its just refusing to answerIn post 58, MiniDeathStar wrote:Yes, Cloud, we get it, I called you scum and I still don't think you're town. Why are you repeating it? Like literally what was the purpose of that wall?
@culted:Not sure yet. I've played with Jin twice so far and from what I saw he's a bit weird/scummy in tone and playstyle so I can't read him until I've seen actual decisions from him.-
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Pissing someone off is a good way to get out of rvs pretty quickly, and it's not done enough to be able to dismiss it as wineIn post 38, Kairal wrote:
Anyway since the die seemed to be a dead end I'll have to start sniffing somewhere else. Can you elaborate on why that post seems to make AJ look town?In post 13, Flubbernugget wrote:I'm already liking aj for town-
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associatives dont work right now get realIn post 106, -Grey- wrote:
What kind of substance?In post 105, Aj The Epic wrote:I'd hope your interest would involve you posting some actual substance.
Like pointing out how you were just coaching your buddy a couple posts up and chainsawing me to distract town from voting him because you think I'm an easy target?
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his intent to accuse you of intentionally shitting up the thread with wifom rung clear to meIn post 126, CloudKicker wrote:lol, that guy is saying im scum for calling myself town and doing a play ''no scum would REALLY do'', make sens-
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right now as in with no flipsIn post 138, Aj The Epic wrote:How do associative tells not work? Like I know I've been gone for 8 months but how does the community just disregard an entire part of scumhunting? (Asking because this is something I've heard multiple times in like 2 days). They absolutely do work, Grey's just grasping at shit and hoping something sticks.-
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Your first sentence clarifies my point. I don't understand your second one.In post 145, Kairal wrote:
By 'his' in this post you mean Grey's read that AJ is scum partner? That seems to be the case but you could also be referring to a cloud read on AJ I'm not seeing.In post 142, Flubbernugget wrote:Honestly if cloud flipped scum I could see his read on you making sense-
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Refer to the post above.In post 150, CloudKicker wrote:
Hes talking about jin's read on me, saying that my play is too obnoxious to be mafia, but i am mafia for it because im too obnoxious to be mafia super wifom 360 no scopeIn post 145, Kairal wrote:
By 'his' in this post you mean Grey's read that AJ is scum partner? That seems to be the case but you could also be referring to a cloud read on AJ I'm not seeing.In post 142, Flubbernugget wrote:Honestly if cloud flipped scum I could see his read on you making sense
If you were to flip scum, that would implicate Aj by Grey's reasoning.-
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In post 153, culted wrote:Psst, guys, jin doesn't want to address the pressure on him until there's an 'actual wagon'.
Who's down to figure out how many votes jin thinks a wagon is?
It sounded more to me like he didn't see any pressure, or at the very least, didn't want us to think he saw pressure.-
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It sounds like you're obtusely encouraging jin to flail over the thread in this postIn post 161, culted wrote:I'm not saying that you should flail all over the thread, but to engage people who're taking issue with your thought processes instead of pretending that they aren't there, then possibly make us aware of how you're reading these things.
Have any questions for me jin?
With current site meta your best bet really is to ignore scum reads on you unless there's something off on a really fundamental level-
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You seem to be sheep voting with me which is pretty interesting after your 154 about sheepingIn post 157, MiniDeathStar wrote:His questions felt pointless, and that vote on Kairal was super bad.-
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@minideathstarIn post 135, Flubbernugget wrote:Massive, I would like your read on cloudkicker. I see your 94 as not reading them as town, yet your 95 votes for someone else for *reasons*
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I have seen people being scum read for actively defending themselves in the past few games i have played. I wouldn't encourage someone to do it to any significant extent unless I wanted to get them lynchedIn post 178, Aj The Epic wrote:Current site meta is a myth. People have an individual meta, the game has it's own phases, but saying 'it's suddenly acceptable to be scummy as shit' defeats the entire purpose of the game. How the hell do you win a game when you rely on someone making a mistake that large?
Certainly even if such a thing did exist, 7 players have new accounts here (though I'm running on the assumption that Culted/Elhabe are alts) and I've missed 8 months of this meta. It's ridiculously inefficient to discount actual scumtells that we've used for years in the light of some fantasy where everyone is allowed to make them.-
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How about the 135 you quoted in this exact post?In post 179, massive wrote:Very interested what it is about my vote that makes me scum. And no, 157 isn't even remotely close. And no, trying to push the town based on 157 with no additional reasons is practically bullshit.-
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So why have you made yet another vote for *reasons*?In post 185, massive wrote:Your interpretation of 94 is incorrect. And if you think RVS votes are actually random, then you are deceiving yourself, so what's the problem with 95?
Also, please quote the vote count and point out how many of those votes have actual reasons (including your own) and then maybe expound on why I specifically am the problem?-
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Sheeping to me is voting for someone because you agree with someone else's caseIn post 186, MiniDeathStar wrote:Didn't see that, my bad. I still wasn't "sheeping" you though.
Like am I wrong on what sheeping actually means? I thought it only referred to joining a wagon without good reason or literally any reason. I wouldn't call just happening to vote the same person "sheeping".-
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My intent was to clarifyIn post 233, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
Sheeping is following a leading vote with no reasoning like a flock to a shepard.In post 227, Flubbernugget wrote:
Sheeping to me is voting for someone because you agree with someone else's caseIn post 186, MiniDeathStar wrote:Didn't see that, my bad. I still wasn't "sheeping" you though.
Like am I wrong on what sheeping actually means? I thought it only referred to joining a wagon without good reason or literally any reason. I wouldn't call just happening to vote the same person "sheeping".
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There's plenty of places where your opinion mayyrrsIn post 244, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
I was adding my opinion to the conversationIn post 236, Flubbernugget wrote:
My intent was to clarifyIn post 233, Secret Agent Jin wrote:
Sheeping is following a leading vote with no reasoning like a flock to a shepard.In post 227, Flubbernugget wrote:
Sheeping to me is voting for someone because you agree with someone else's caseIn post 186, MiniDeathStar wrote:Didn't see that, my bad. I still wasn't "sheeping" you though.
Like am I wrong on what sheeping actually means? I thought it only referred to joining a wagon without good reason or literally any reason. I wouldn't call just happening to vote the same person "sheeping".
Yours seems to be to disagree over something stupid
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I disagree with your first paragraph and agree with the other twoIn post 272, culted wrote:I'm torn more after thinking about it because I could have done better to make it a two way street but I mostly just wanted some interaction with him because his initial posts did ping me and some kind of reaction outside of a handwave would have been great. Like if someone doesn't understand your thought process on why you did something it's literally making the game harder for people like me who have a strong thirst for clarification.
Do you think the continuation of the mindset jin has shown from early game, where he stayed very neutral with his limited engagement up until now with posts like 165 and 177 where he shows about the same interest level (about zero) with having a conversation about the game isn't a valid concern at this point?
Because it's less about my concerns with him now and more about how there's no attempt at all to figure anything out, not just me, when there isn't anything a player can think to ask someone. There's no curiosity.
There's a difference between clarification and defending
That being said (as I've highlighted already) Saj is doing very little-
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Nothing in there suggests I scum read ckIn post 296, Kairal wrote:That last post is addressed to Jin for context. Flubber why do you go from a series of posts that seem pretty anti- ck to snapping at Jin for voting him? Is this because you no longer suspect CK? None of your posts seem to indicate that shift.-
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Players that replace in are responsible for the actions of their predecessorIn post 387, Kairal wrote:Anyway now that Cloud's gone it hardly seems fair to lynch Shadow for it. I'd like to see Newman's thoughts on other players. I guess Aj or Massive seem to be the two we're talking about now...-
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Well not deceiving by not saying anything sounds like loophole way to say you haven't decieved anyoneIn post 390, massive wrote:
I'm gonna blow your mind here. If I don't explain blank votes, I never deceive you. WHOA MIND BLOWNIn post 387, Kairal wrote:You'd be a lot easier to trust if you just explained where you were coming from you know that?-
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This less confusingly states my intentionsIn post 394, Kairal wrote:
I laughed. I'm still gonna vote you though since I feel unexplained votes are anti-town and you seem committed to not explaining them.In post 390, massive wrote:
I'm gonna blow your mind here. If I don't explain blank votes, I never deceive you. WHOA MIND BLOWNIn post 387, Kairal wrote:You'd be a lot easier to trust if you just explained where you were coming from you know that?
VOTE: massive-
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You don't think tunneling on one person the whole game is a little strange?In post 462, Kairal wrote:I've said everything I have to say about massive for now.
Mini what do you think about Flubber? I think he hasn't contributed much so far, and that post attacking Jin was weird. Seems like he's in your top scum read. Did you see something I didn't?-
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look at how random my vote is everyoneIn post 135, Flubbernugget wrote:Massive, I would like your read on cloudkicker. I see your 94 as not reading them as town, yet your 95 votes for someone else for *reasons*
And my vote is staying on you.
LOOK AT IT-
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Yes, I was making the first accusations on him. You're accusing me of not scumhunting when I began voting him for the same reason you did laterIn post 498, MiniDeathStar wrote:You voted him during the RVS with no bloody evidence and you still credit yourself with "starting his wagon".
Like, it's not like I even care who started the wagon. It just boggles me why you keep bringing it up, as if you're trying to squeeze out some town credit in case he flips scum.
Is it because you *know* he is scum?
Also, you blatantly lied. And it shows that you thought you would get away with it because you're AGAIN trying to handwave when I began to have an actual scumread on massive.-
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tbf nobody has a smoking gun on page 6In post 499, -Grey- wrote:
TBF, your push is a softball that could have easily been defended by pointing out how scum is more likely to be concerned about appearances than town.In post 494, Flubbernugget wrote:
look at how random my vote is everyoneIn post 135, Flubbernugget wrote:Massive, I would like your read on cloudkicker. I see your 94 as not reading them as town, yet your 95 votes for someone else for *reasons*
And my vote is staying on you.
LOOK AT IT
It's not like you caught him with a smoking gun.-
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Because you voted him for similar reasons that I did and claimed for that to be your own independent thought. So you literally can't accuse me of not scum hunting without blaming yourself the same wayIn post 518, MiniDeathStar wrote:The reason why I'm iffy on it is because Flub could have quoted a number of other posts as evidence for his scumhunting, but he was specifically anchored on that *one* post and brought it up several times. It kind of looks like he wants bussing to pay off, if he's indeed bussing.-
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Going off the island sounds great until we realize we're all clonesIn post 523, Kairal wrote:Kids are watching this Mini! We can't have those kind of flubs. *Turns to Camera* Anyone who gets the highest votes is just going home kids, so you don't you worry!-
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Your push reeks of covering up what you thought would provide for an easy lynchIn post 571, MiniDeathStar wrote:Ughhhh I just reread some of the thread from the beginning and seeing CloudKaflooey again made me instantly regret it.
Anyway, Flub, I did vote massive for slightly different reasons, mostly because he was voting an obvtown person (rather than an 'unexplained' vote), but like, okay, we got it, you were scumhunting and I was wrong about that. There, happy?
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JfcIn post 585, HellloooNewman wrote:LOL, yeah Mini, I'm terrified of you.
You guys are so caught up in the "mafiascum meta" that your posts all sound so robotic, and the same. Half the time, I have to double check the username, just to remind myself who's talking. I'm sorry that I post differently than you guys, and by extension seem scummy to you. Sorry, shouldn't say "scummy" because that apparently makes me look bad too.
I'm real simple. I call it as I see it. If y'all don't like that, or think that makes me scum, then vote me.-
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So uh a lot of players are anti townIn post 616, massive wrote:You know on second thought that might be a bit overaggressive. In any case, you need to re-assess me Kairal, and you need to let go of this "not explaining your vote is anti-town" stance because you're going to find a LOT of players who won't and who will further demand that you follow them based solely on their reputation. I'm voting who I think is scum. End of story.
Why is this okay and why does it excuse your play
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