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Normally I do this a little later but im up and wanna talk and like keeping this at my second ISO post so. For those who know this post feel free to skip it yadda yadda.
Hi, I'm Naomi I have kinda a strange play style. Firstly Rather than calling people town or Scum I call them Green or Red This is because Its just a nicer thing to call people. I dislike calling people scum as its kinda mean so I switched to the color thing and it appears to have caught on rather well in other games I've been in. Thats not so major. but Its a good thing to note.
Okay so onto the bulk of stuff. My playstyle Is kinda weird. I don't like dying as either alignment and try to stay alive. this means that sometimes I do actions to just look more green and sometimes and Im suspectable to peer pressure. To midigate this I tend to play entirely openly and honestly examining things and doing what I can to contribute to town. But things like Lamist actions are things I tend to do as both alignments. If anyone wants to read my town meta feel free to explore my wiki page (ordered chronologically with my most recent games at the bottom of either list) But this is a quick overview to protect my butt from future Red efforts (as they can push me on; Look there doing that thing thats normally red but isn't for them) and so Greens don't push me for being me. I also am probably forgetting somethings. As i'm sleepyNaomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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So... You having played with me before... Are voting me for the same post I made in the last game where we was both in... colour me confused.In post 10, Human Sequencer wrote:Mod, your text is 110% unreadable on mafSilv. Not sure if you're aware.
VOTE: alisae
PEDIT: UNVOTE:
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Nah I think your voting me cause its RVS XDIn post 17, Human Sequencer wrote:@grey I have to strain my eyes to read the text on mafBlack. Black themes have always made it difficult for me.
@naomi Is that why you think I'm voting you?
Do you think there could be any reason for me to scumread you?Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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The second question... not really? I don't think anyone would have any reason to vote me byond my second post being my second post. though I think your going to drop a bomb shell here. or As I said before;In post 20, Human Sequencer wrote:
And the second question?In post 18, Naomi-Tan wrote:
Nah I think your voting me cause its RVS XDIn post 17, Human Sequencer wrote:@grey I have to strain my eyes to read the text on mafBlack. Black themes have always made it difficult for me.
@naomi Is that why you think I'm voting you?
Do you think there could be any reason for me to scumread you?
In post 998, Naomi-Tan wrote:This post also feels like some kinda trap that I also feel that I may be stumbling blindly into for I do not get where your going with this, however before when you have done this kinda question and I tried not to answer it properly because it made me feel uneasy It made things worse so i'm taking the time to explain that I know your looking for a reaction here and if I'm red I can act as if im green and if im green I will say what I said so its very NAI in this matter i'm pointing this out because I am uneasy and I feel its important to explain it so you also know its NAI and can not read from it not because I don't want you to read from it but because I feel that if you read me badly from it. It would lead to more arguements and me holding my head. so please read what you will on my green answer response scripted or not. this statement is also WIFOM. your welcome.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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eeeeehh?? maybe?? I dunno. I have no idea why I only answered one question. might be because I was posting between hearthstone games and wasn't paying full attention.In post 24, Human Sequencer wrote:I don't have a bomb to drop. I'm just curious as to why you waited until prompted again to answer my second question, instead of just saying you didn't think I had any reason. Especially as somebody who is claiming to be playing very openly this game.
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I should prob add that to my start of game stuff..In post 26, Human Sequencer wrote:Naomi hasn't been playing for four years. She took a long hiatus. This is the game she was referring to.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68980
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So... everyone vote for it. No reason not to gain 2 more days for christmas and new years off XDIn post 29, XnadrojX wrote:I will extend 48 hours if enough people vote for it.
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Grey used Confuse ray; Its super effective!In post 40, -Grey- wrote:
See? His guilty scum mind confesses in his confusion!In post 39, Gamma Emerald wrote:What? Did the use of the word "ugly" become a scumtell?
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Okay...So.. That last post.. Is a thing.. Well To answer your question pretty much hat I described. LAMIST is look at me i'm so town. You'll see a mixture of agressive and passive play style depending on whats happening.
Now back to your post. I find it rather strange that you spoke a lot about your red meta but didn't really touch upon your green meta and also think that your reaction to HS not wanting an extension felt a little forced.
I do however agree that there is no reason to NOT get an extension. Guys everyone
VOTE: Extension If we end the day before hand with a hammer all the better but more time Partically on D1 is going to be really handy especially given this day phase will cross the entire holiday week where people generally have less access or wish to spend more time with family. Don't think of this like we mustn't end till later more we have more time to talk if we need it.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Yes. It lets people know what to expect and helps me protect myself aganist reds pushing me for a miss lynch so its useful that way. also helps inform town onto what to expect saving foot work for those who are lazy. The way I see it you can either Believe it, NAI it or See it as an excuse setup for later, which it totally is as well. thats just kinda how its been. I normally get those who havn't played with me before fitting into the latter two while those who have palyed with me before fit into the former two (as they have experienced it) As It in no way hurts to share information and I provide sources for people to check out I feel its a good and helpful thing that those who are paranoida can backup. Even if it is NAI. An NAI post to explain some things you'll red read me for are NAI is useful to meIn post 53, Ircher wrote:
One question --- Does making this post actually help you in any way?In post 8, Naomi-Tan wrote:Normally I do this a little later but im up and wanna talk and like keeping this at my second ISO post so. For those who know this post feel free to skip it yadda yadda.
Hi, I'm Naomi I have kinda a strange play style. Firstly Rather than calling people town or Scum I call them Green or Red This is because Its just a nicer thing to call people. I dislike calling people scum as its kinda mean so I switched to the color thing and it appears to have caught on rather well in other games I've been in. Thats not so major. but Its a good thing to note.
Okay so onto the bulk of stuff. My playstyle Is kinda weird. I don't like dying as either alignment and try to stay alive. this means that sometimes I do actions to just look more green and sometimes and Im suspectable to peer pressure. To midigate this I tend to play entirely openly and honestly examining things and doing what I can to contribute to town. But things like Lamist actions are things I tend to do as both alignments. If anyone wants to read my town meta feel free to explore my wiki page (ordered chronologically with my most recent games at the bottom of either list) But this is a quick overview to protect my butt from future Red efforts (as they can push me on; Look there doing that thing thats normally red but isn't for them) and so Greens don't push me for being me. I also am probably forgetting somethings. As i'm sleepyNaomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Okay as someone who has access to my wiki why couldn't they look up other games. It is literally the second post In 90% of my games at this stage and I think all but the first game since my return It would be super easy to confirm this fact as a thing. Also as its an NAI statement why wouldn't you find someone pushing on it a bad thing.
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Huh guess I should of not talked about 54In post 58, -Grey- wrote:
As I quoted, she made the same kind of post on another game she played where she was town.In post 54, Ircher wrote:How do you know with such little experience on this site? I mean, experience != skill, but it's kinda hard you can already read a player based off a single post being only a month on the site.
It was not posted as proof of her alignment, just to stop paranoid players from wasting time voting her over that wall because it's NAI.
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What the heck is this post... Look its very simple. Though we may not NEED it why would we pass it up. Its free and gives us more chat time.In post 70, All Alone wrote:
Why are you voting for something you don't think town needs?In post 32, TwoFace wrote:
I vote for an extension though I don't think we'll actually need it.In post 29, XnadrojX wrote:I will extend 48 hours if enough people vote for it.
I can switch to this colour if enough people vote for it.
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Hey can you talk more about this read? I don't understand it yet.In post 73, Human Sequencer wrote:Gamma's reading scummy and Asphodel's opening post reads pretty horrible but I'll give asphodel some more time. The fact asphodel pretty much said 'Hey guys, if I bus my partner I'm town!' means any scum wagons they happen to be on are wifomy as fuck and NAI at best, remember this for later.
Grey reads kinda town.
VOTE: Gamma
I initially took Gamma's misunderstanding of Naomi and I's game history as misguided town, but it didn't hold up on closer inspection, and what he has posted since has just looked heaps worse. I'll make a case when it's relevant.Banana Man wrote:Why would town want less time?
VOTE: Human Sequencer
Also I know you're not reading Gamma town now, but why were you in the first place and what made you change your mind?
15 days is plenty of time. You can ask TwoFace and Naomi about the shitshow that was Mini 1848 and how that dragged to deadline D1 in a mess which promoted town apathy, or you could also read Newbie 1744 easily found on my wiki in which town self-destructed D1 by running around in circles with like three wagons all on town, ending up lynching a PR. I believe overly long day phases are anti-town. You might not agree, but it's NAI at best as I have pushed the same agenda in most of my games since, and I think I did the same in Mini 1848 and it got me scumread.
Banana man, why are you excited for this game in particular?
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Well this guy is obvs Town.In post 78, -Grey- wrote:
Yep, scum are ultra high vis buddying in the first three pages.In post 76, Ircher wrote:Pedit2: Scumreads: Grey, Human Sequencer right now.
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I think last minute scrambles happen because all day one there is back and froths that normally help pin down reds later. The more back and frothing happens the easier it is to spot a GvG or a RvG I feel its pretty important but at the end of the day there always will be 1 or two wagons being pushed out and that leads to the scramble. inactivity is also a thing as the day goes on but people have lives and don't spend all day on here. normally it happens cause either life or lack of interest. But it can be the result of poor interactions and getting morally beaten down. Thats why I try not to get so emotional.. doesn't always work though XDIn post 82, Human Sequencer wrote:
Nah.Ircher wrote:I think the Gamma case is relevant right now. Now, please kindly share w/ the rest of the game as I don't see it.
Yeah, but why do deadline lynch scrambles happen? Not because the game's day phase was too short, but because town was inactive and stagnated for the whole time.Ircher wrote:Pedit: It's neutral at worse, pro-town at best. Yes, stagnation is a problem and why deadlines exist, but a bigger problem imo are deadline lynch scrambles. You never know until that point, but I'd say it's better safe than sorry.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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I'm not upto date yet. So I'll take a stab at this once I'm caught up.In post 223, Asphodel wrote:Hi I'm around and want to talk to you three. If you had to lynch someone right now, who is it and why?Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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This post is literally a lot of numbers and I don't think It really matters about the numbers. I dunno why they didn't address gray directly here but I'm reading this as 'I know my reads are not great. but your humour is worse'In post 90, Ircher wrote:Sometimes that's the case, but other times, there truly is a lot to talk about and not enough time to do so. Having less time just makes the scramble occur earlier would is only marginally better at best and most if the time, neutral or even worse imo.
Pedit: Here's some stats for you: I've played 30 games recorded on my wiki page with 8 wins, 22 losses, 27% winrate. I have been town 87% of the time. (26 town, 2 scum, and 2 other). And, I am not undermining anything. Show how I am undermining the town's goal. If you are going to actively throw shade on me, please research me first and tell me if this behavior differs from other games I've played.
Pedit2: VOTE: Gray. Also, those posts were awful. Humor or not, still awful.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Its called the slayer gambit.In post 229, Flubbernugget wrote:VOTE: asohodel
I don't like how little thought he puts into trying to reach out to people. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Also somone pointed out some good contradictions in 195.
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You think thats red aligned? I thought It was just too bold for a red manuver.In post 226, TwoFace wrote:
Well hello scum.In post 70, All Alone wrote:
Why are you voting for something you don't think town needs?In post 32, TwoFace wrote:
I vote for an extension though I don't think we'll actually need it.In post 29, XnadrojX wrote:I will extend 48 hours if enough people vote for it.
I can switch to this colour if enough people vote for it.
VOTE: TwoFace
I voted cause why not. Just cause I'm optimistic about not needing it, it's stupid to not ask for it.
Sorry guys. I tried.
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Sorry I do not read other posts about Meta had picked from a game selection as it can lead to meta manipulation. this is also why my source for self meta is my Wiki page with all my mafia games as You can't fake your meta in every matchup. If that makes sense.In post 119, Gamma Emerald wrote:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68600
Just going to leave this here. Everyone should read up to page 5.
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It doesn't it makes Ircher Look town, but I'll post about it in my read list.In post 236, Asphodel wrote:I know you're still reading through, but when you're done I'd appreciate an explanation of why you think 110 reads TvT, especially how it makes Grey look town.
PEDIT; Ehh... maybe later. I heading to bed once I'm all done and don't really want to look into another 5 pages.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Why.In post 126, Alisae wrote:Kay, caught up. My vote is going here.
VOTE: Asphodel
I don't like this Gamma wagon.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Can you explain more clearly what your saying by this I'm getting confused with your terminology.In post 142, Gamma Emerald wrote:Current ideas for bad little townies are Grey, HS, and Alisae.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Well you dropped slightly in my books. Was hoping to get a better read on you from this so I'll just give it to you cause I know you'll react the way you react and you handle this stuff rather better than me. here you go;In post 245, TwoFace wrote:
Aside from the posts I just made. No I don't.In post 241, Naomi-Tan wrote:Hey two face. You have anything to say about recent posts on this page.
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Im somewhere in page 7.In post 248, TwoFace wrote:I haven't even got there yet. I'm on the end of page 3Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Likely Green
-Grey- >> They have had fairly well thought out points and also seem to be kinda relaxed. Comes off well in interactions and can explain there thought process well when questioned. Seems like a fairly good bet there town.
HS >> Reminds me of there play in the last game we was in where they was town. I think this style comes from an honest place and I'll give them some space while things work out.
This was enough to give me a slight read but the 'soft claim' post pushed it up just a bit higher this play is too famlier to not be them green.
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Ircher >> not too keen on the pressure they gave Grey. It seems pretty clear to me where Grey was going with the things he said and I don't think it required probing that deeply and it left a bad after taste.
As there talk contuined by 110 I was sure it was TvT Irchers case was mostly based on Joke votes and explaining obvious things as well as Grays joke wagon push. I don't think reds would done this and its only something a green would do Bad green most likely.
Alisae >> Feels like miss guided Green If I had to guess there the type of player that takes a little to form an idea but once its there it sticks for a while. This isn't a bad thing but I feel there pushes are miss guided and go on slightly longer than needed and I feel that they should revaluate more often.
All Alone >> So they did a big post but I'm not really able to follow it too good yet. I'm gonna have to read it with fresh eyes and see If I can follow it. Given during my read I picked up on the turn about im gonna go with the benafit of the doubt
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Flubbernugget >> I havn't formed an opinon on them yet sorry 229 could be read a little opertunistic, but there is so little to go on that I think It would be unfair to judge based on that one post. more indepth talking would be appricated.
Asphodel >> Sigh.. Right where do I stand here, There actions look Green motivated they are asking probing questions and trying to look into things but the manner there doing it in feels very unskilled. I'm not sure if this is a false lead but right now given where my red reads are I will benafit of the doubt them. If they are red I'm pretty sure they'll do something later that'll reavel them or a PR will investigate them (if such a PR exists) Etierh way I think given more time we will get a clearer picture here.
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TwoFace >> Very weak read. Just from not noticing the reaction test thing I did. He finds 180's stupidly Red aligned. So its normally something he would take note of and I am surpised he didn't take note of it without me having to point it out. This read will likely change TF is hard to pin down this early in the game. Eh I guess its what ever.
Likely Red
Gamma Emerald >> I don't feel they are really playing Most of there posts are either joking or vague. It seems to me that there trying to stay active while not really saying much (active lurking) Also miss understood the humour which I think is pretty poor play.
I also dislike 140 Where they seem to push the counter wagon of grays. Given I shifted to a town read this could be looked as redirecting pressure.
I'm reading 163 as distancing. Its this distancing that pushed my GNT read down a little.
TheRealGin-N-Tonic >> 114 This is a limp ass defence attempt by GNT If It turns out Gamma is red then This is their partner.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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3 Reds is the norm for normal mini's unless the reds have some crazy PR'sIn post 268, Asphodel wrote:
OK this may be a really dumb question but how do we know there are 3 scum? I mean, just from a game balance perspective that'd make sense but I'm going to feel really dumb if there's a role list somewhere that I'm missing.In post 264, TwoFace wrote:Disagree. Ircher is scum.
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Yeah kinda. It wasn't a very good one. I was trusting you to notice that between the two posts I linked in one they thought that Ircher was red then they one 180'd and acted like gray was the obvious red.In post 271, TwoFace wrote:
You did a reaction test?In post 266, Naomi-Tan wrote:TwoFace >> Very weak read. Just from not noticing the reaction test thing I did. He finds 180's stupidly Red aligned. So its normally something he would take note of and I am surpised he didn't take note of it without me having to point it out. This read will likely change TF is hard to pin down this early in the game. Eh I guess its what ever.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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It means I have a list of 2 reds with a missing 3rd who I can't identify and TF also has a list of 2 reds with a 3rd unID'd but between our two reds we both think we have neither of them are on the others list.In post 272, Gamma Emerald wrote:
What does this mean?In post 270, Naomi-Tan wrote:Hey TF. Isn't it funny how we both have 2 people we think might be red and are looking for the third with no overlap xDNaomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Well you'd think that we'd have at least one in common we can agree on. Its just a bit unusual.In post 275, TwoFace wrote:
How's it funny?In post 270, Naomi-Tan wrote:Hey TF. Isn't it funny how we both have 2 people we think might be red and are looking for the third with no overlap xD
PEDIT; when presented or you spot a 180 you tend to attach to it for a bit as Green I was hoping to see that behaviour and put you into slight green range as its just a thing you do.
PEDIT2; My weak read on TF is just lack of talking and him over looking things I think with a bit of interaction I can figure him out. Me and TF played the last 3 games together and I feel I can read him by this stage. Its why I am tossing him bait actions to try and get my predicted results. Think of it like Meta-Fishing XDNaomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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In post 282, TwoFace wrote:
Da fuck? To quote Samuel L.In post 279, Alisae wrote:BTW Naomi do you think your weak scum read on TwoFace could come from him trying to be lynch bait or something?
Who the fuck is this asshole?
I'm not lynchbait nor am i trying to be lynch bait
TF your so VI
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URgh Im a sucker for conversation. Yeah I expected as much as said so in my list. but I still couldn't make a move on your alignment. What do you think of my two red reads and how there connected?In post 285, TwoFace wrote:
I didn't catch it until you pointed it out. I reread it twice and still didn't understand what you were trying to say.In post 284, Naomi-Tan wrote:PEDIT; when presented or you spot a 180 you tend to attach to it for a bit as Green I was hoping to see that behaviour and put you into slight green range as its just a thing you do.
I'm gonna read your two reads and see how they connect tomorrow.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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you don't always need to be careful. I often post without thinking about it. only my bigger posts have more depth to them.In post 289, Flubbernugget wrote:
You're conflating thought with the number of posts in threadIn post 242, Asphodel wrote:In post 229, Flubbernugget wrote:VOTE: asohodel
I don't like how little thought he puts into trying to reach out to people. It sticks out like a sore thumb. Also somone pointed out some good contradictions in 195.
I feel like these should be reversed.
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In post 366, Alisae wrote:Qutie frankly I am calm, collected, and tired. Not freaking out. Press my buttons a bit and I can do that.
Either way, your voting is...I believe the right term is wishywashy?
VOTE: TheRealGin-N-TonicI'm Still where I was in my last posts. and reactions like these just cement it for me.
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In post 398, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay don't attack him for his playstyle. You just set my scumdar off big time.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Okay Gamma and Gin I wanna know what your connection is to each other right now here in the open.
In post 102, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Ah, game did start, got it :p
@work right now so I'll be on to talk in like 4 hours maybe 5.
Quick scim tells me we are doing a gamma wagon. Why is that?In post 114, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:
Nah it's town.In post 108, All Alone wrote:
This post reads scum to me. I don't really see a town motivation for counting on an inactive player to provide discussion. I mean, that's kind of the opposite of what "inactive" means! A townie who's frustrated with the discussion not going their way usually takes the initiative to provide that discussion themself, but Gamma doesn't. As scum hoping to hold back, his mindset here makes a lot more sense.In post 93, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm not seeing the type of discussion I want.
Maybe the inactives will provide.
VOTE: Gamma Emerald
It's day 1 first few pages. It's evident, at least to me that Gamma doesn't care about the wagon on him, but instead is interested in the inactives, or those that will try to hide behind a bandwagon so they don't have to contribute much to the discussion.In post 163, Gamma Emerald wrote:GinNTonic could be a bad townie too.In post 183, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Gamma you okay?
So You enter defending Gamma with rather limp reasoning. Gamma then distances himself from you. Taking the hint you back off and red read him despite spending the majority of the early game being on their side. This says to me there is 2 things going on 1) There is a connection between Gamma and Gin and 2) They don't want Greens to know there is a link going on.In post 333, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Whew, caught up. Okay reads and then questions
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Gamma scum butt$Most, if not all posts are highly frivolous and are just fluff. Post 119 is using self-meta as a form of defense and I won't read it because that's bullshit. Anyone can copy and paste a personality D1.
Given the above quotes as well. the connection Is still strong despite them trying to distance.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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To me it looks like you fell into a red trap. They set you up by asking a leading question and then span that as fence sitting. But if you look at your play you can see the weakness's as well as the townie aspects of it. Its not explicitly bad to examine things carefully before voting (It took me till page 11 to vote) To say your fence sitting would be incorrect. You gave your thoughts on things as the game went on you just didn't vote. This to me says that You wasn't sure enough to vote. which is a Green trait as reds don't hesitate as much especially on people who are weaker players as they can shrug it off if they turn out to be proactive // good for greensIn post 418, Alisae wrote:Naomi what does the interaction between me and gin tell you about the both of us?
Like, I dunno if Gin just really doesn't know how to handle pressure and he's townie because he seems genuinely frustrated or if he's scum.
Like, I think this might be his first game on site as well tho.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Take Gamma's play. At first he doesn't really say much (during the RVS) then he switches to just saying; Good Green//Bad Green But he doesn't really given any reasons why there good or bad just that they are so. This leaves little wiggle room for inquiry and the only people who would really enquire would be the people in question which he could then turn on 'acting defensive' If you was a Green and you felt you had someone ID'd as Green or Red you'd say things like
[Topic]; Thats Bad Green Play
[Explain]; This is why is bad green play and not Red play
[Conclusion]; You shouldn't Vote X (this last part may be excluded in some cases)
This allows Green to see your thoughts. why you had those thoughts and question them later on down the road. Just a blanket X is bad Green. Helps no one and really the only reason you'd post that with so little backing it up is if you was kinda removed from the situation and didn't care about the flip result. If you really thought someone was just playing bad rather than being Red you'd step up and help defend them.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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Speaking of stepping up and defending someone
Alisae Isn't a Red
You can tell this by how flustered they are right now. They are lashing out at people who vote them without really thinking it fully through there emotional right now and trying there best to not be lynched ironically pushing more attention on themselves. If they live they will be shown as green later on I believe via play. Then there are things like her interaction with gray. Yes it was poorly executed but thats the point. If you was red looking for a Misslynch why target one of the strongest Green players instead of their investigative target that was already kinda melting. Additionally The way they put forth there wagon was super poorly coordinated and didn't really have the careful thought put into it that a wagon by an experianced player or a red member has. To Paraphase that interaction here is a small over the top rendition.
Gray; Eh been on this train long enough, its not going anywhere time to switch back.
Alisae; Define Long
Gray; urrrr... Its a word, Look it up in the dictionary its kinda common.
Alisae; ...Why you avoiding the question. Its a simple thing to answer
Gray; Its a common word. I don't really need to look things up in the dictionary for you do I?
Alisae; Well you could!.. (Blushes) Well.. It appears you miss understood.. What I REALLY wanted to know is What made you change your vote... Not that im embarrassed! shut up! You just don't like working with people. thats red!
You can see this tsundere Attitude at the end in 158 Its especally Explicit with the First and last lines; "Okay then you misunderstood the question" and "Also don't like the fact you're not willing to work with me. If anything you're being anti-town at the moment."
The first line establishes that They acknowledge that Gray didn't get the question and didn't want to look up a common word. while the last line shows how flustered there are about it. red reading them for there own poorly worded question while being embarrassed themselves.
After that point they convince themselves that Gray is Lynch baiting when its obvious to us that they was just playing normally. but to the world filter she applied it was Lynch baiting because she took note that Gray was kinda playing well. but also thought they was playing badly. the only time you play well and badly is with a slayer gambit or lynch bait. Which is how her thoughts landed in that square.
Her questions after that interaction are probing to work out where people stand, not pushing at all which would match a more careful playstyle until people put pressure on her. Given what I extracted from her personality ealier I believe this would resulted in them acting defensive and making rash choices.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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No doubt given the above post XDIn post 427, -Grey- wrote:My my, what a development.
An Alisae red flip will make me very interested in Naomi.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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okay when your flustered and confirm baising people you do, do stuff like that. also I'm pretty sure the reason she quoted your post there was to try and convince you to assist her.In post 431, Gamma Emerald wrote:
What town decides to respond to a constructive post (mine) like this? It's trying to twist his action as scummy.In post 421, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Instead of understanding his playstyle, she prefers to push her narrative of Gin's actions. Scum.In post 397, Alisae wrote:Once again, no real conviction in his voting. To him it honestly doesn't matter.
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Additionally given my analysis I believe after they read this they'll attempt to 180 Given thus far I been on her side and a rather 3rd party to the original situation so she is more likely to read my posts with a positive mindset which may be enough to realign her view point as she takes a step back and looks at the situation from my perspective. However, if they are intelligent they will also know this will only bring MORE heat so may stick with it to not get lynched. Which is why I'm setting up this post here to provide an out. How Am I going to do this? like this.
Alisae If upon reading my posts you have changed your views please let us know.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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No I'm calling Your reconsideration a good move for both alignments but something given your personality would fit.In post 440, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Are you calling my reconsideration red-indicative?In post 438, Naomi-Tan wrote:Gamma; Yeah I thought you'd do that.Naomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §-
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observation mostly and reading the game as a whole. Given I observed your not stubborn or headstrong and I provided an argument that was pretty solid It benefited both a Green aligned and red aligned view point.In post 443, Gamma Emerald wrote:what makes you think you know my personalityNaomi ~ ☠ ♠ ♣ ⦿ ✿ ♡ §