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[mattblackguy]

VOTE: Magna

Wagon on Key won't tell us much. Last game I played with him he flailed hard when being wagoned and selfvoted at L-1 without claiming his role (he was town tracker)

[mattblackguy]

So basically “He once flailed so he can’t be scum”?

I never said anything like this. I said wagon on key won't give us much information, because knowing him he'll just get himself lynched if he's town.

I like how you're twisting my words into something I never said though. I like where my vote is right now.

[mattblackguy]

Ily2 bae

Do you love me though?

[mattblackguy]

@Magna, Look I'll explain to you why I didn't think Keyen was a good target for an early RVS wagon again, because I'm not sure if you are misrepresenting my motivations or are genuinely misunderstanding them.

I played with Keyen last game, and yes this is the only game I've played with him. I'm not trying to use meta to say that if Keyen flailed after being wagoned this game that the information would be NAI. What I'm trying to say is that I know when Keyen doesn't care about a game, and he is getting wagoned he'll just get himself lynched. And the last thing I wanted to happen was Keyen getting wagoned to L-2, Keyen joining the game saying "idgaf lynch me", and then Keyen flipping town cop (this is worst case scenario, and giving how Keyen plays this isn't too unlikely).

I'm not saying Keyen will do this again. I'm saying Keyen has done this before (and it was very recently) so why would I assume that he wouldn't do it again? You, on the other hand, seem to be a relatively competent player that I expected we could get good reactions from when wagoned, and I was right. Your wagon has lead to getting useful reactions from you, Grey, Sheep and Elena.

And posts like this are why I think you are scum. You, an acknowledged alt, act as if there isn’t this thing called hyperbole. The fact that you are peddling that my post voting him on Page 1 is a “rock solid must be taken 100% at face value” read is bad. It was a tool to move the game forward. And it worked … it has got you to over-commit to this stance that you now are trying to extricate yourself from. The awkwardness with which you are trying to transition to back form “MoI is 100% scum” to “maybe he’s Town who doesn’t make sense” makes me happy with my vote.

I can understand the fact that your vote on me was a tool to move the game forward, but to move the game forward you didn't have to go and twist my words to make it seem like what I was saying what scummy. If you genuinely didn't agree or understand what I was trying to say you could have asked me about it. You don't really look like you're hunting for scum. You just look like you're hunting for reasons to scumread someone. You're taking posts with no scum motivation behind them and making a shit load of assumptions just to try to paint the post as scummy. Now I don't see the town motivation in that.

[mattblackguy]

You know why I'm voting you correct?

nope

[mattblackguy]

@Matt – What reads are you getting from your “useful reactions” of Grey, Sheep and Elena?

In post 217, mattblackguy wrote:
I can understand the fact that your vote on me was a tool to move the game forward, but to move the game forward you didn't have to go and twist my words to make it seem like what I was saying what scummy. If you genuinely didn't agree or understand what I was trying to say you could have asked me about it. You don't really look like you're hunting for scum. You just look like you're hunting for reasons to scumread someone. You're taking posts with no scum motivation behind them and making a shit load of assumptions just to try to paint the post as scummy. Now I don't see the town motivation in that.


Frankly I don’t care about your limited ability to understand Town motivations if you are Town. It was page 1 and moving the game forward was my primary goal. Now if you are scum please continue to cling to the empty notions you (and TwoFace) are putting forward.

I'm now leaning Sheep as town for genuinely trying sort both you and Twoface during the argument. Less so Grey and Elena, but I have noted the stances they have taken during the argument.

Lol, I have a limited ability to understand town motivation? What about your bullshit pushes on both me and Twoface? Your reason for scumreading me in the first place was garbage, and your push on Twoface is only omgus fueled. Twoface has done nothing scummy so far. If you're town then why don't you just drop it, and actually hunt for scum?

[mattblackguy]

And Magna it's not page 1 anymore and your push on Twoface is still shit.

I've actually played with Twoface before and it's blatantly obvious when he's pushing something he believes in, or when he's faking his push. This is town twoface, and he believes everything he has pushed so far. I can't say the same for you.

[mattblackguy]

Now I disagree with magna' original reasons for his push but he seemed to believe them. His vote change to me is bad because he just flushed that conviction down the toilet for even worse reasoning.

That's why I'm saying without a shadow of a doubt magna is scum. He gave up something he believed in for something non AI. Town just doesn't do that.

Oh look, a scum post.

Your read on magna is a crock of shit, because scum can't believe their pushes.

Secondly scum can absolutely believe in their pushes. thats the best way to play as scum, push things that you know are scummy, things you would push as town.

That's not being on your push, it's simply being consistent with your town meta... which isn't at all the same thing.

This

[mattblackguy]

What do you make of the fact I'm now on the Magna wagon when I scumread 2F?

I have no idea why you are on the Magna wagon. I don't believe you ever explained why. I just thought it was because you like to fake hammer people.

[mattblackguy]

Two Face and Magna seem very hot at each other, and it makes me distrustful of the whole wagon at this stage. Also, I mildly like Magna's answers. It's not brilliant, but at least there is a theory scum concept he is claiming to have been advancing.

VOTE: Gin

Let's randomly wild wagon a lurker and lynch that instead, it will be funny and won't lynch an active poster, so it's really a win-win.

Why not vote Boon instead? Boon actually posted after the Twoface v Moi argument started, and it was just fluff about Barney replacing out.

[mattblackguy]

I haven't really taken a stance Matt

Yeah this is kinda true. So what is your stance then?

[mattblackguy]

I've played with Twoface and this is definitely him as tunneling town.

I can agree that more people need to comment on the argument. Wanna help me make people commit to an opinion then?

VOTE: Boon

[mattblackguy]

You think I'm scum buddying?

[mattblackguy]

@mod can you update the playerlist in the first post, and can you prod Gin?

[mattblackguy]

No one is voting you because of stupid L-1 hammer meta or whatever.

I'm voting you because I want you to take a stance on MoI vs Twoface instead of ignoring it, and commenting on useless stuff.

[mattblackguy]

UNVOTE: Boon

I need to think

[mattblackguy]

Boon, I'm not buying your outrage posting these past few pages. It reads extremely fake to me. You're not even reading the game.

You're never fullclaiming this game? Ok go die then.

VOTE: Boon

[mattblackguy]

Boon you're getting worked up over the smallest shit. Your frustration for what has happened this game thus far doesn't even look slightly real.

You do nothing until people start voting on you then when people start voting on you, you start getting pissed and call everyone stupid/scum. That's not real.

[mattblackguy]

'OMG WHY ARE THESE IDIOTS VOTING ME. CAN'T THEY SEE IM TOWN AND THAT'S WHY ALL I'VE DONE IS POST FLUFF. FUCK THESE IDIOTS AND THIS GAME. YOU'RE ALL SCUM AND IDIOTS" - boon

[mattblackguy]

Why the fuck are you lying and saying you're a PR then?

[mattblackguy]

Blacklisting you if your reaction to a few votes is to call the whole town idiots and then fake claim pr as vt for no reason.

[mattblackguy]

Seriously answer me. If you're VT why did you fakeclaim PR?

[mattblackguy]

What info do we get if you flip town? That you're a stupid VT?

[mattblackguy]

You're not hammered. It's 7 to lynch, and the people voting you are. Me, You, Grey, Sheep, TwoFace, and Elena. That's only 6

[mattblackguy]

I only see 6. Who's the 7th person?

[mattblackguy]

I still have no idea why you fakeclaimed PR. Because you think we are idiots you fakeclaim PR? Doesn't make sense.

[mattblackguy]

You didn't have to claim anything

[mattblackguy]

You were at what L-3? You weren't in danger of being lynched at the time.

[mattblackguy]

What happened to Twoface v Magna being TvT?

[mattblackguy]

You said you thought Twoface was town. What changed your read?

[mattblackguy]

You said Twoface was scum because he was voting you instead of Magna which never happened. So let me hear why Twoface is scum.

[mattblackguy]

Boons you still haven't explained your Twoface scumread. I'm waiting on that.

[mattblackguy]

Like, I'm not going to. It's in my posts, even if I haven't specifically said yet. I really don't care if your votes on me.

I looked in your posts. The only thing that's there is you saying you think Twoface is scum because he was voting you instead of Magna, but he didn't even vote you. That was grey that voted you.

[mattblackguy]

Elena voting Matt and then not saying why, just reasons, then voting WITH Matt. Come on...

Elena, Grey, and BBT is the scum team. Quote this later. (Mainly POEing this, BBT. Nothing personal).

Nope. Magna is scum. As close as a guarantee as you can get.

Says this, yet isn't voting for Mag. Hilarious. Replace Grey on my scum list with Two Face. This was the scummiest thing I've seen this game so far.

Elena/Two Face, I'll vote either.

Aaaaaand THIS ALSO MAKES ME TAKE A STANCE ON THE TF AND MOI ISSUE YOU LOT HAVE BEEN TELLING ME TO PICK. I picked, now move your dumb pointless pressure votes that was scum driven anyways.

[mattblackguy]

This is the only reason you gave for scumreading him, and he didn't even do the shit you're accusing him of.

[mattblackguy]

You're sure someone is scum but can't even give one reason. That's fantastic.

[mattblackguy]

I guess I'm going to have to wait forever for Boon to think of a reason to scumread Twoface.

[mattblackguy]

Like if you're sure about a scumread there is no reason why you can't even give one reason why he's scum. All I'm asking for is one, and you're refusing to do that.

[mattblackguy]

See, he slipped. He knows I'm town with this post.

What this? This is shit

[mattblackguy]

I don't understand why you think he's scum trying to get an easy mislynch off of you. Haven't you played with TwoFace before? He feels strongly in the lynch all liars mantra. Especially when the reason you lied was to try to keep yourself alive. Scum lie to keep themselves alive not town.

[mattblackguy]

My real name is Benjamin Franklin Piece.

I served in the 4077th Mobile Army Surgical Hospital unit.

True or lie?

100% True. Didn't you say you were an old man?

[mattblackguy]

My real name is Benjamin Franklin Piece.

I served in the 4077th Mobile Army Surgical Hospital unit.

True or lie?

oh wait hmmm disregard my last post.

[mattblackguy]

@mod, replace me. Sorry, leaving the site.