Mini #1647: Eine Kleine Nacht-Mord, Game Over

[prawneater]

Deadline is in one day lol

VOTE: TTH

[onion]

/me shrug

VOTE: TTH

L-1

[petroleumjelly]

Day Three Vote Count #5

TellTaleHeart – 3 – Green Crayons, prawneater, onion
Green Crayons – 1 – ChannelDelibird

With

7

alive it takes

4

lynch, and

3

to lynch at deadline. Deadline is

April 8, 2015 at 6:35 AM PST

.

Not Voting - 3 - Derangement, TellTaleHeart, Untrod Tripod

Countdown

: (expired on 2015-04-08 06:35:00)

TellTaleHeart and Untrod Tripod have been prodded.

[Untrod Tripod]

vote: TTH

BALLS DEEP

[petroleumjelly]

Day Three Vote Count #6

TellTaleHeart – 4 – Green Crayons, prawneater, onion, Untrod Tripod
Green Crayons – 1 – ChannelDelibird

With

7

alive it takes

4

lynch, and

3

to lynch at deadline. Deadline is

April 8, 2015 at 6:35 AM PST

.

Not Voting - 2 - Derangement, TellTaleHeart

Countdown

: (expired on 2015-04-08 06:35:00)

TellTaleHeart has been lynched.

[petroleumjelly]

TellTaleHeart, Townie, has been lynched!

It is now

Night Three

. Deadline is April 9 at 10:05 PM PST.

Countdown

: (expired on 2015-04-09 22:05:00)

[petroleumjelly]

Untrod Tripod, Townie, has been killed!

It is now

Day Four

. With

5

alive it takes

3

to lynch, and

2

to lynch at deadline. Deadline is

April 24, 2015 at 6:40 AM PST.

Countdown

: (expired on 2015-04-24 06:40:00)

Looking for a temporary replacement for ChannelDelibird during his extended V/LA from April 10 - 17.

[Derangement]

I'd like to start the day by reminding everyone that there's only five players left and we haven't lynched scum yet.
That makes me pretty certain that...

We are now in LyLo

That means that if even

a single townie

votes for another town player, we immediately lose the game if scum quickhammers.
With this in mind, I strongly recommend that no one cast any real votes until we have three people expressing their desire to lynch the same player.

I need to do so some rereading with TTH and UT's flips in mind, but I'll be

reeeeeally

surprised if GC isn't scum.

FOS: Green Crayons

@onion: do you still think he's awesome?

[Green Crayons]

Oh. Joy.

[Green Crayons]

So what's the case against me?

[Green Crayons]

From a page back CDB wanted to vote me because he didn't like my cases on Llama/onion and I feel differently than our previous game together.

Not sure how to respond to that other than a (shrug). Okay? I disagree, and think my cases were solid but, in hindsight, are wrong (at least regarding Llama/TTH).


All I recall from the Derangement and prawn "vote GC" mantra is that sns was suspicious.

I'd be happy to try to explain my slot's prior occupant's play if you give me something more specific to respond to.

[Green Crayons]

oh, lol

"unvote GC"

[Green Crayons]

Unsure if necessary.

[onion]

(drunk) yes GC is still awesome, the person i'd be willing to vote for is... YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!!

i'm not very happy about CBD, but our lack of information about him prevents us from doing anything useufl about it. i'm really glad the tripod flipped town because i would have felt really bad about discounting his terrible behavior only to have him be scum. i'd have to lynch every anti-town for the rest of my life. but no it turned out ok, except that he's dead and we're losing. ya know except for that. whos even still alive in this game?...

CBD is alive, we don't know anything about him, maybe a replacement will come in. it isn't reasonable to lynch a lurker at LYLO.
Derangement is alive, he's suspicious primarliy because if i were scum i would have killed him long before i killed anyone else other htan maybe equinox. tripod was too scummy to be scum, and derangement is too town to not have been night killed.
I'm alive, i'm not scum (just in case you were wondering)
GC is alive, he's awesome. i really liked bubs, and sns was so terrible that i can't really use his tells to be useful with bubs or GC tells, and GC came in with amazing power, and i really like both him and his slot.

and fucking prawn is still alive. the other condender for the today lynch. i ought to do a bunch of reading and decide if i want to lynch him instead of derangement. that would probablly feel better, because i really like derangement, he just happens to probably be scum. which is sad. yeah re-reading prawn stuff, i'll totally get right on that. yup. (watches gravity falls)

[ChannelDelibird]

Hello, checking in from uk meet, looks like a temp replacement probably not worth it at this point but I won't have time to contribute properly before friday

We need to start proposing scumteams when we talk about scummy people. Only so many combinations available

[Green Crayons]

I think I had a gut onion=scum read and warped my read to fit that initial impression + his town posting = onion is town.

CDB's catchup looks and feels town, even if it's substantively incorrect. His D1 play had suspicions that aligned with mine as I was initially reading through, so that's another barometer of him being town.

prawn and Derangement have been beating the Bub/sns/GC drum for so long, and so consistently, without actually following through that it feels forced and static.


So prawn and Derangement.

[prawneater]

Prodge. Will get back to this.

[petroleumjelly]

Day Four, Vote Count #1

~ Nobody ~

With

5

alive it takes

3

to lynch and

2

to lynch at deadline. Deadline is

April 24, 2015 at 6:40 PM PST

.

Not Voting - 5 - ChannelDelibird, Derangement, Green Crayons, onion, prawneater

Derangement has been prodded.

[Derangement]

My apologies, prod received!

Had a project deadline looming that stole way too much of my time.
It's now 7am, so I'll be going to sleep, but I'll be sure to

properly

post once I'm awake again.

[Green Crayons]

Post.

[petroleumjelly]

onion has been prodded.

[onion]

what, everyone's waiting for prawn. prod him.

[prawneater]

Sorry, I'm done being busy tonight.

[Derangement]

No plan survives contact with the enemy.
I said I'd post as soon as I'd wake up, and ended up not being able to.

I'm really,

really

sorry about that.
Prawn or no prawn, nothing kills interest in a game like inactivity, and I'm ashamed to admit I ended up contributing to that, big time.

So, without further ado, postings!

All I recall from the Derangement and prawn "vote GC" mantra is that sns was suspicious.

I'd be happy to try to explain my slot's prior occupant's play if you give me something more specific to respond to.

This is one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't scenarios for you, I'm afraid.

Despite sharing the slot with Bubs and SNS, you're not

actually

them, so at best you'd be speculating on why either of them did what they did.
Since you don't actually know their reason, you'd need to try and come up with a plausible answer, and you'd do said figuring out with the assumption that they are town, regardless of your actual alignment.

Unless there's something blatantly evident that everyone else missed, or a tidbit of information that not everyone knows yet, I think it's unlikely that you'll come up with an explanation that Prawn or I haven't thought of ourselves, and decided that your slot being scum is more plausible as a reason.

So what's the case against me?

As a recap, my reasons to scumread your slot are:

1. Bubs' warning that he'd move votes in 24h unless Marquis contributed.
   It's a minor thing, where the kind of answer Bubs gave would be much more significant than the action itself.
   Sadly, his replacement left my #410 unanswered.
   
   
   
2. SNS' OMGUS felt really off to me. He justified it as an emotional response.
   
   
   
3. SNS's continued evasion, where instead of answering our questions, he reacts to the act of being asked.
   
   
   
4. SNS's prodge lurking. I'm well aware of the irony of this point.
   
   
   
5. SNS's departure post.
   The "when I'm lynched" logic seemed forced, like it's being used as a last ditch attempt to confuse u and/or get prawn to change his read on SNS.
   This is a glorified townclaim (an utterly null action), obfuscated with hypothetical post-flip logic, worded in a way that suggests taking action before the flip even occurs.
   To make matters worse, his claimed reason for leaving is lack of motivation, which strikes me as the complete opposite of his enthusiastic catch-up, and the emotional OMGUS pointed out in (2), above.
   
   
   
6. Crayons' fourth reason for why he thinks Onion is scum, was possible knowledge of Llama's town alignment.
   At the time, Llama was one of Crayons' scumreads.
   Either this is a bogus reason, in which case Crayons is suspect for padding his Onion case with purposefully bad points, or it's a valid reason, in which case I'd argue it makes him look worse than Onion in hindsight, because
   Crayons
   might have had knowledge of Llama's actual alignment: he chose to push the Llama lynch, without even being bothered by the dissonance that is having one of his cases be based on the innocence of one of his other scumreads.
   
   
   
7. Crayons' steep decline in the quality of his posts, compared to his mega-tidy, way-more-convincing-than-it-should-be entrance.
   I expected he would not be able to keep up appearances like that, once he started to interact with us, and so far, I do not think I was wrong.
   
   His recent tone reminds me of SNS' belligerence pre-lurkage, and some of his posts directed at me and UT feel more like nitpicking, than purposeful scumhunting.
   
   
   
8. Crayons' "I don't bus" argument.
   Posted at a time when I was more interested in getting TTH back from lurksville than on GC, it feels more like saving
   his
   bacon for the day, than constructively contributing to the rest of us narrowing down who the second scum was.

CDB's catchup looks and feels town, even if it's substantively incorrect.

If you can, please elaborate on why his catchup is incorrect, and why you can be certain it's not you who is mistaken.

prawn and Derangement have been beating the Bub/sns/GC drum for so long, and so consistently, without actually following through that it feels forced and static.

Bubs gave me mild suspicion.
SNS broke the scale on my scumdar.
You continue to give me reason to suspect your slot.

I have been asking you for clarification when you do something I don't like, trying to convince people of my reads for a while, and I

have

been following through with my vote, attempting to get you lynched.
Short of doublevoting or vigilanteism, which sadly are not in my repertoire, I cannot follow through any further than that.

We need other people to vote along with us for that. I'm

really

hoping I was wrong in my town read of Onion, because I do not think I can get him to see past your first town-seeming neat cases, and actually see everything else your slot did, both before and after them.

[Derangement]

We need to start proposing scumteams when we talk about scummy people. Only so many combinations available

Agreed, and it bothers me quite a lot that, with TTH being town, I can't narrow down who GC's buddy is as well as I'd like.

I am inclined to think it's not Onion (which makes me fear we'll lose the game soon), both because of my belief that he wouldn't produce his early towntell on purpose, if he were scum, and because his current support of GC matches how I expect him to react to things that

look

towny or informative, regardless of whether they're actually helpful.

Unfortunately, Prawn's been fairly tight-lipped about about everything and anything regarding Onion or myself, and CDB's extended absence throughout the game makes things even harder on his front.
I'd like to hear more from both, please, since at this point I can see how either of them could play as they've been playing, given a scum alignment.

My hope is that we'll find out a lot more based on the next few crucial days, as people announce who they'd like to vote for, and why.