Mini 1699 - #swag wars: THE empire strikes back (swaggedout)

[Wickedestjr]

ffery, who do

you

plan to vote? I sense that it's me, but I'm not sure.

[fferyllt]

I'm not sure.

I've come into this thread about 4 times planning to put down a vote, read the previous 3-4 pages, and wind up back at hellifino.

[notscience]

I want to vote RC.

[fferyllt]

Wicked's right. I do want to vote him.

[notscience]

Yeah, I figured as much.

[Wickedestjr]

Wicked's right. I do want to vote him.

I really think that you're the swing vote right now, so this is bothersome. You (and everybody else for that matter) are doing nothing to sort me, but seem to want my lynch just because of POE and because you think I became disengaged (which I gave an explanation for).

notscience, if you

really

want RC lynched today, then I think you should vote him soon - before ffery makes the mistake of voting me.

[fferyllt]

If I could come up with a line of questioning that could differentiate, I would follow it.

Whoever is scum here, they're in a blind spot relative to my style of scumhunting. I cam come up with differences in play/stances/decisions, but I don't have a sense that they are alignment indicative.

From you're perspective, if you're town, RC has to be scum. Where in his play prior to neither of you getting hammered did he come off as scum to you? Or comes off that way in retrospect?

[notscience]

I'm not, because it doesn't /really/ matter who gets lynched first, I just think its getting the harder lynch out of the way to lynch RC first.

[fferyllt]

the reach-out in the last paragraph of 3376 came off as awkward. But, that could be due to it not being something RC usually does in games.

I honestly can't tell if you are overestimating me or underestimating me at this point, but my only hope at winning this game is if I can connect with you. Don't you get that?

This part looks a little odd because "my only hope at winning this game" looks like it could be truth from a scum perspective or from a town perspective.

RC's a veteran player with tons of experience and a preference for scum roles. If he were scum, wouldn't he have put that little bit of extra tospin on the comment? Or is he a player who thinks references to "we" come off as a scum affectation. Or why not "town's only hope at winning this game"?

I used to read a ton into comments like this when I played on sites with relatively small pools of mafia players and relatively homogenous site metas.

I'm afraid to do that here.

[Wickedestjr]

From you're perspective, if you're town, RC has to be scum. Where in his play prior to neither of you getting hammered did he come off as scum to you? Or comes off that way in retrospect?

I thought RC was neutral/scummy on days 1 and 2 for two reasons...
a.) the Anen hammer - I explained why it bothered me at the beginning of day 2 (page 31-2 I think) and while I can't do anything more with his response, I do still think it was a bad hammer vote
b.) meta/gut - My only previous experience with RC is Swagtown where we were both town. I hadn't played with him, but I knew he had a reputable scum game. I'm usually cautious in reading experienced players with strong scum games, but I could tell pretty quickly that he was town in that game. Next to Tammy, he might have been my strongest read in that game just because he felt

so

genuine. I

never

got that same feeling from his early play in this game.

I reached a point where I couldn't really do anything with (a) and I was worried that (b) might just be an experience change - swag town was two years ago I think. I also thought that his below-average effort + strange attitude would be town tells for him given his preference for scum. In retrospect, these 'tells' could be things he knows to exploit given his experience with everyone in this game and also considering his partner Nacho was the one designated to read him.


Fastforward to the end of day 2 where he claimed miller. I ended up town reading him for this (because it seemed like a bizarre move to make as scum), but, as I explained before, the crumb was an awful decision for him if he was actually a town miller. In retrospect, I should have been more skeptical and more open-minded than to immediately assume 'too scummy to be scum'.


On days 3 and 4, RC felt genuinely sick of this game but this was still a side of him unfamiliar to me. I guess I misread it completely.


Today I know he's scum and I honestly think he didn't realize it was 1v1 (which is probably a scum tell too).

[notscience]

ffery, can we lynch RC first?

[Empire]

DAY 5, VOTECOUNT 4

RedCoyote (1)

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Wickedestjr

Wickedestjr (1)

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RedCoyote

Not Voting (3)

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fferyllt, notscience, pieguyn

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch! Deadline is on September 23rd at 10:35 PM EST or in (expired on 2015-09-23 22:35:38).

Mod Notes - N/A

[RedCoyote]

pie, why do you think ns is pushing so hard? You think he's starting to suspect either you or ffrey?

[RedCoyote]

ffrey, look, if we're not connecting, then we're not connecting. I'm not going to force it any more than I have already tried. I'd rather you vote me now than continue to drag this out.

[RedCoyote]

Though, before anyone votes anyone, I want it on record that the "player X is a bigger threat" is a moronic argument and the town player that is allowing themselves to be suckered into that ought to be ashamed of themselves. Scum is scum is scum. Further, it's disrespectful to Wicked, imo. I don't mind being voted on the back of someone thinking I'm more likely to be scum than any other living player, but to say, "oh, I think X is the scummiest player, but I am going to ignore that " is foolish.

[notscience]

VOTE: RC

Oops I'm being foolish!

[pieguyn]

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[pieguyn]

vote: RC

I think we're going to win. cya tomorrow assuming I'm still alive (which I'm assuming I will be).

[Empire]

DAY 5, FINAL VOTECOUNT

RedCoyote (3)

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Wickedestjr, notscience, pieguyn

Wickedestjr (1)

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RedCoyote

Not Voting (1)

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fferyllt

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch! Deadline is on September 23rd at 10:35 PM EST or in (expired on 2015-09-23 22:35:38).

Mod Notes - N/A

[Empire]

RedCoyote,

Town Miller

, lynched Day 5.

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fferyllt,

Vanilla Townie

, endgamed.

notscience,

Vanilla Townie

, endgamed.

Wickedestjr,

Mafia Encryptor

, survived and won!
pieguyn,

Mafia Goon

, survived and won!

Nachomamma8,

Mafia Goon

, has won posthumously.

[Empire]

Mod PT
Mafia PT
Dead/Spectator PT

I might post my thoughts here later as I have a lot I could say about this game. For now, though, I just want to congratulate the scum team on a hard earned win and to thank Soft-spoken, Boonskiies, and Oversoul for being kind enough to jump in when I needed them.

[pieguyn]

gg

[Nachomamma8]

what a terrifying endgame

[pieguyn]

i'm sorry in advance to notsci. my reaction D3 was almost entirely legitimate. i'm sorry if it hurt or offended you and i hope you don't think i would do something like that as a ploy or that i was faking it. :/

i hope this dead PT is fun to read

[fferyllt]

sorry, town.

I really couldn't make up my mind.